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massmedia: You are a big fool to have quoted the whole passage @ russianmob27...

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Pastor Kun: I am sorry dear saying tithe should be from income is mis representing God's word. God was very clear in his instruction when he said tithes should be from agric produce. In those days people were involved in several other professions which they earned income from and God never asked of a tithe of these other income. Stretching tithes to mean monetary income is simply adding to God's word and this is a sin. That asides tithing has been done away with with the mosaic laws. Christians are not under the law of which tithing is a part of.

(@ your last statement) really? Who ever said christians are not under the law of tithes? Pls ,scripture reference,if u may.

[quote author=eagle,eye]Mimi, please let's study that portion of the Bible.

Malachi 3:10 New King James Version
10 Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, That there may be food in My house, And try Me now in this,” Says the L ORD of hosts, “If I will not open for you the windows of heaven And pour out for you such blessing That there will not be room enough to receive it.
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The bolded says, "that there may be food (meat) in my house".
Now do you think that the portion was talking about money or agricultaral produce?
I think if it were money it could have said "that there may be silver or gold"........ that aside.....Are we not supposed to think of what these tithes we give are used for?
If we can question other religious practises that comes from the Law of moses, why can't we question how these tithes are used? Or is there anywhere it's written that tithes can be used by the Levites (priests) anyhow they deem fit?[/quote]Okay,let us ask the question. What is the tithe used for?
''...that there may be meat im my house''. As i said above,the people of old were into livestock and plant farming.They didn't work in offices and companies. Payment was usually made with livestock and food produce alongside physical money.The ''food in the storehouse'' being referred to was for the Priests of God because they were instructed to face their priestly duties,hence,the responsiblity of the people to cater for their needs.
The same applies to REAL men of God. It is the ''produce'' brought to the church by members (WILLINGLY) that serves as their rewards, for them to face their pastorly duties squarely.

[quote author=i-General]If thunder doesn't strike Kemi Olunloyo dead before the next seven days, this will further strengthen my suspicion that Adeboye is fake like the rest of the business men pastors. Thunder better strike NOW![/quote]Could u please just stop it already. Your comment is not better than her's!

@ Pastor Kun,the people of old were farmers and animal rearers. It is still applicable today. If ur income is in form of cash,then tithe in cash. If ur income is in lifestock or vegetable,do likewise. There is no rule stating that u must pay in cash. Sometimes,it could be cumbersome.So conversion to cash may be easier to carry.

Hello Mr Eagle..lol!
Anyway,to answer ur questions in my opinion and belief
*Malachi 3:10 is the major part of the bible that speaks about tithe and offering.I know people will condemn this portion of the bible b'cos its the old testament and Christ abolished the laws of Moses...good.But i ask,why do we still observe circumcision,baby dedication etc. All these are laws made before Christ was born.
''.....that there may be meat in my storehouse''. The priest in those days can be likened to the pastors now.The sincere ones should be catered for by the household of God.Unfortunately,many of them called themselves for the monetary benefits.
I wish i cld buttress my point with a portion from Apostle Paul's writeup where ( sorry,i cannot remember the portion now) he stated that he had blessed his brethren by prayers and it was not wrong of him to recieve physical gifts. Also,read 1st Corith 9:1-15..Paul spoke abt giving to the saints willingly.
*To a certain extent,yes. I was trained as an usher under RCCG so i'm very careful wif finances.I would be a liar if i said otherwise.But i cannot speak for other churches.RCCG has very articulate financial records and each month,auditors and financial officers carryout a nationwide remittance/financial record analysis.That was how i got to know abt the church finance.But if the pastor decides to do contrary,its left for God to judge him because i've done my part by obeying.
*As for giving tithe in ur church...''must'' is a strong word. Let God's spirit guide u. But the major point is that u NEVER give grudgingly! Pray on ur tithe and seed before giving it out. God will not eat ur money. It is ur ''act'' and ''faith'' he looks upon.

[quote author=eagle,eye]Mimi, I just opened a thread. I will like your input in that thread. Here it is www.nairaland.com/1565286/agree-tithing-biblical-where-does[/quote]Okay.

[quote author=eagle,eye]So its the little percentage sent to the Headquarters that is used in Building The Redeemers University?...... Sorry, someone said they also have Investors (I am assuming business investors who wants a return on their investments)
And the private Jets are Gifts from people who love Daddy G.O. so so much.
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When will all our Daddy G.O.s in different 'Corporate Churches' decide to pull resourses together and 'FEED THE MULTITUDE'....... Will that be too much to ask?[/quote]Lol! Can u remember what happened in your bible after Jesus fed the multitudes? Can u? Its not enoough to ''feed'' the multitudes...what better food do they need outside the Word and Holy Spirit? When u spoon-feed a baby,it will always be dependent. most of us who are quick to condemn will probably do worse if we find ourselves in such position.
As for the guy u quoted,what he said is absolutely carrect.Not all offering collected in the parishes remains there. Some are remitted to the National.This money is used for paying salaries , maintaining the Redemption camp,and other minor technicalities. Pls,ask ur pastor how much expenses are made each week for church service(diesel,instruments),compared to offering and tithe...then come back and lets share more opinions

[quote author=eagle,eye]I can't remember where the Apostles where paid SALARY in the Bible. It got to a stage Paul admoninshed his listeners that anyone who will not work should not eat. Also Paul was never lazy and he provided for himself.
Now the Whites that brought Christianity to Nigeria never lived off the sweat of the poor..... Please remove sentiments. Tithing is good and it is recommended in the Bible that you should tithe. No arguement about that
But where people bring in thier tithe and MOGs use it to set up business ventures that does not benefit majority of those who are tithing is a wrong approach to Religion. And that is why we have every D,ick and Harry telling any gullible soul he or she sees that he is called to work in the Lords Vineyard.
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Two 'Evangelists' have approached me at different times (I do not know them before) and said to me that I am Called. But my reply has always been that "When God calls me, I will answer His call and the Call will be unmistaken". I can't imagine myself taken from those that have not and feeding on their sweat.
Pastors are meant to be SHEPHARDS IN THE LORD'S VINEYARD.
Someone should study 2 Thessalonians 3:6-8[/quote]Bros,when peeps give their offering,it is not forced out frm their pockets! If u can afford to give,fine! Have u had the opportunity to count and analyze church offering? I have. Its not the way we all think!
Offering is a law from the bible,but we are usually in a haste to condemn the old testament,so i'll not delve into that matter.
The fact remains that offering is voluntary.Pray on it before putting it in the church basket.Whatever the pastor plans to do with the money does not affect u negatively.It is our faith that speaks for us in the long run. Some of us think the offering we make in church gives us the right to look down on our pastors. I regard offering as a special priviledge......''that there might be meat in my storehouse''. Even if we dn't give,God will raise up people to do so. I never consider my ''wealth'' as a right. I consider it as a gift kept in my hands for a duration of time. Why should we not invest in the kingdom? Because a few bad eggs go into pastorial ministry for the money?
I pray we all experience a personal conviction in terms of ''giving''. I am a living testimony. It pays to give. Leave the unruly pastors to their fates.

Looooooool! The comments here hv made my day! OP,pele ooo. I'm sure u just recieved ur first online bashing alongside!
Mr Seun Osewa,i dey hail ooo! You try. More ororo to ur ankle.

[quote author=eagle,eye]Please I am not accusing Rev. Adeboye of anything.
Now, assuming that the tithe of about 1000 members say in Benin is just N500, that means every sunday Benin parish gets N500,000. Multiply this by 12 for a year, that is N6,000,000.
I know RCCG has branches in all states of the Federation, multiply N6,000,000 by 37 that is N222,000,000. Please tell me again that the poor are not doing anything?
To the second bolded...... Are you trying to tell me that a man or woman who drives a car may be worth N4 or N5 million, will give a GIFT worth over N500million to another man all in the name of Daddy G.O.? I don't think so.
Without the poor in RCCG your pastors and Daddy G.O. will not live as large as they are living.[/quote]Do u know the number of ''full time'' pastors that get paid salaries monthly? Do u know how many millions of naira get spent on feeding masses during monthly and annual services? No.
The fact that i earn N10 a month is not an excuse for me not to pay tithe and offering.There is no excuse for robbing urself (i find it difficult to belive u can rob God,lol!) .

Happy sunday @Twinny and Larride.Hope u guys are having a wonderful day. Did u go to church? If u did,hope u prayed for me?
And to the ''A'' ass*hole liking the posts,keep it up.I prayed for u today....God will give u a job soon.
And to the rest of the house...love me! If u cn't,then bite me.
Have a beautiful day.

[quote author=eagle,eye]Yes that answers my qustion. Now what is actually the source of income of this Ex-University Lecturer to have enabled him establish Redeemers University and other business ventures and also helped him to acquire state of the art cars and even a Private Jet?
I don't really think that his pension (if any) from the University was that big.
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I respect all "Men of God" but I am not driven by relious sentiments and I will love to read an objective answer from you devoid of emotions.
Of course Private Universities are expensive, but when it is built by the income (AKA Tithe and offerings) of the poor and average income earners then it should b heavily subsidised to accommodate these ones.[/quote]How much is the ''so called'' offering? People keep nagging abt ''offering and tithes''. If it were based on that,RCCG would not hv gone global today. INVESTORS! The university is not owned by Adeboye,but RCCG. The school has a board of directors,please! People shld be careful hw they accuse others. If u really want to understand RCCG finances,pls talk to the church treasurer and auditor.
As for planes and jets...lol! You hv no idea! The man recieves gifts and favours without asking. The fact that a christian is wealthy does not mean he is a sinner.That is ''poverty mentality''.
The university was built by investors and lovers of Christ. Pls,never assume that those who made their little contributions are all poor masses.No!
People ask what Adeboye or the church has done? Must he publicize his acts? There are scholarships,welfare packages and other things. Must he feed the whole nation before we realise it? Anyway,humans are insatiable.
I feel every accusation shld hv a proof to back it up! This lady has been on Adeboye's case for some time now....i really dn't know.

[quote author=eagle,eye]She mentioned a certain amount being paid as School fees per term/session. Is that not proof enough?
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I have never supported this Lady Kemi Omololu Olonloye, but my question to all these Corporate Affairs Churches is, "What where their G.O.s doing before they became 'Man of God'? What was there income before they entered the 'Vineyard'?"
Abeg no one should crucify me ohh.[/quote]I will not crucify u,we are having a discussion as matured adults. I can learn frm u.
Anyway,Adeboye was a lecturer at Unilag before becoming a full-time pastor.He has Phd in mathematics.I hope that answered ur question?
As for expensive school fees...come on! Which private university is cheap? The cost of running a university is not moinmoin job naa! So that story na wash! There are sooo many private universities out there that are more expensive than Redeemers Uni.

Delafruita: what do her shortcomings have to do with the fraud perpetrated under the canopy of christianity?

It is this same reason that makes we Nigerians stagnant! We feel selfrighteous and mock other people,without trying to develope ourselves first.What fraud is it? Why can't she present the proof na!!! Why are we soo eager to soak up such without having open minds?
Someone who is morally bankrupt has no values to share,thats my point. Wif the vile words i read on her facebook page,i'm sorry to say,this lady is pathetic.

Looooooo! I just visited her facebook page and some comments there cracked me up! Choi! The same babe who made a statement that NO man can satisfy her se*xually,and give names to her pu*ssy? I give up!

elampiro: The bold part got me thinking. There appears to be something between them. Do they know each other before?

I think so.Unfortunately,we Nigerians are not interested in reading and investigating facts.We are so lazy that we accept things at face value. Ever since president Goodluck Jonathan knelt before Adeboye for prayers,the pastor has been under vocal and print trashing from Nigerians.

promisechild: you not using the subjunctive well simply means you have failed jamb already

I'd rather failed not fail

Kai! U can lie oooo! Which one be i'd rather failed? Shoooo. Its just like saying i would rather went,ran and died.... Chai!

Delafruita: this isn't about pa olunloyo.

No,its not. But its about his daughter who is ovezealous in her ''finger pointing'' skills. People in glass houses shld not throw stones. She shld deal with her own shortcomings and stop developing a career in trampling people's names in the mud!

Mondisweets: ehn...ok if u grow very hair on ur yansh dont complain...eeeh i warned u o

Choi! I dn't mind. in fact,i want it sef so i can be plaiting the hair....aint that se*xy?

victorD3: . Sorry what has Adeboye done for this country?

What did her father do for his state?

OMG! This is sooo terrible! Why wld she be so callous? Adeboye has done nothing to warrant this na! He's one of the few humble men of God out there! Absolutely humble! If she has something to accuse him of,why not present the proof and facts to the whole world to see,rather than making such ribald comments! We christians are divided amongst ourselves.
I've had the opportunity to interact wif some of these politician's kids....they are farrrr frm reality! The way they talk to the average human wld make u feel like burying urself into the ground.The daughter of the prsent Oyo governor is a typical example! Sheesh!
Being the child of a prestigious man does not make u a god! Show a man of God some respect! Even if he has done any wrong,there are more matured ways to go abt it! You are not God!!!

Mondisweets: abeg give me back my pant

I've changed my mind! I'll keep it for my self!!!

Mondisweets: i went to the airport with a sign written "De Gongs please where is my pant" and i never got my pant

I was the hot model wearing the panties.You were too disraught to appreciate ur gift....sorry.

San Miguel: Hello My dearest Mimi.

I'll manage the gesture...but u can do better.

San Miguel: You seriously need to get laid. Your hormones are raging. . Caseless !

Is that the remedy ur ladies use? No,dear boy. It is u who needs to jer*k off ur accumulated urge...shebi na u wan follow Mimi battle.As for me,i'm fiiiinneeee.

Truckpusher: Mimi come oh, what color of pant are you wearing right now?

Shut up dude,ur brain needs an upgrading. Call me when u've grown one. *sighs*

Truckpusher: Man no go fit be ashawo lie lie


if i like make i sleep with an entire street the name ashawo no get ground



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No thanks. Na curse be that. I can smell the gonorrhoea frm ur breath and ur yeye na communicable disease.

Truckpusher: You dun reply my pm?




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