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The supposed Nigeria you are trying to defend,don't they have regulators and supposedly institutions that shouldn't have allowed it happened in the first place?

HayTerran:
A man who contributed a lot to the rot that bedevil Nigeria but because he was a rich man, everyone is trying to famz. I won't be a part of such.

Bro security in Nigeria at the moment is a federal responsibility, make we no de try to make unnecessary excuses.. you witness the politics played with amotekun during the establishment and even now.
Just handle the issue of security and see a lot of people go back to farm

spiSeyi:
If state government are up to the task local vigilante & hunters will handle this. But most local hunters and vigilantes are not encouraged by the state governments

What's actually the overiding need remaining in OPEC? Angola left or was about to leaving the other day because their interest as a nation is not being met. Ecuador and quatar has left OPEC.
Won't Nigerian leaders be Patriot and think out of the box for once.
Is it written anywhere that you can't sell your oil if you don't belong to OPEC?
Meet local needs/demands for oil first especially in times of an emergency.

sulaak:
Dangote is refining fuel but selling refined products to pay off his high dollar-dominated debt.

Nigeria needs to increase oil production to 3 million B/D to meet the 1.5 million OPEC quota and the 1.2 million refinery requirements.

Have you been following the negotiations between labour and the Government up until now? If you have been, you will know that the Imo state debacle has been on the table which the national labour leaders wanted a mediation from the Government , even the NURTW matter.

Joshchi19:
Can you read the MEMO to see the reading fir the Strike yourself

Comrade these things you listed are the main issue for the strike, forget those trying to change the narrative that it was because they beat the NLC president, though it might have added to the quagmire.
I remember that at the last meeting between labour and
the Government, the labour leaders gave the Government 30 days to initiate a framework and timeline for implementation of the agreement between them and that they won't give the govt and prior notice again before embarking on indefinite strike.
But this govt have not been serious for one day addressing the grievances of the Nigerian workers...upon series of meetings with the labour leaders.
To the extent that people were accusing Labor of having been compromised.
While I believe strike should be the last option , the Government has not been fair at least to come out with framework/timeline for implementation of things agreed upon.....

Owaincouncil:
If they born tinubu well, he should not call tge NLC/TUC for negotiation.
But wait o, I hope this strike will also address the issue of minimum wage, palliative for citizens and stable electricity for small scale businesses

It may actually be a conspiracy theory on the side of the government supported health professionals.
Where I don't doubt the existence of HIV but there is no proof that HIV causes AIDS.
Remember AIDs is a syndrome, a situation where your body immune system can't fight off infections effectively.
What kills people with HIV is the stigma that is attached to it and the gradual errosion of the remaining immune system by the anti retrovial drugs. author=Aldol post=126717285]
Come and see for yourself,conspiracy theorists wey dey fear EMILO2STAY[/quote]

Where can one safely make this kind of investment? Capital market/insurance or buying and selling?
I will like to learn

Nice2023:
Funny enough,I have about three children and one on the way...there are ways to manage family these days.

One sure way is to invest 10 to 15 million for for ur children @10% interest minimum. As this can pay their school fees...and possibly feeding.

Then u can rest small but in all,it is not easy at all.

You didn't want to comment on the alleged GCE A levels he used to get admission into college but only on what you understand that CSU said?
So one can actually build an education skyscraper on illegality?
If you notice the only time Atiku has spoken on this directly was on how Tinubu without primary and secondary education managed to have a Degree.He may be more
interested in the forgery of the A levels results but has to go all the way for a well tight evidence

femisplash:
Lol, no academic records, was that what CSU said?, when is CSU going to sue Tinubu?
Athief'ku is using your brain to renew his blood, you're so unfortunate.

Peeps like you don't get the drill, The whole joke is on INEC, what would they tell the electorates in 2027 you are talking?
I personally want Supreme court to uphold every decision that PEPT has made for precedence. So relax
Quote author=bennybuhari post=125647384]Don't waste your money, prepare for 2027[/quote]

The ultimate question is did apc actually won the election if the votes were counted correctly?
All this una analysis makes little or no sense when everyone knows that majority voted against apc.quote author=TooNoisy post=125630151]A house divided against itself cannot stand. PDP broke into too many factions.

Atiku, Obi, Kwankwaso and G5. How on earth can you defeat Tinibu when you are this divided abs even the G5 worked for Tinubu.[/quote]

I think he needs to go for precedence. Let the supreme court affirm these technicalities. Then we know there are no need for laws as far as Nigeria is concerned.
qhuote author=skyp post=125620118]My advice for Obi is not to waste time going to the Supreme Court. Now I agree Naija is a shithole.[/quote]

I think the supreme court still needs to interprete this and a lot from this proceedings. Most are constitutional matters. The PEPT are just clever by half. Until the supreme court says so then people like me will make my conclusions

Lol. But it was the same issue Atiku brought before the high court as a pre election matter and the high court refuse to adjudicate that they do not have jurisdiction.
My question is who have jurisdiction in a matter like this.

Iexclusivenews:
The Presidential Election Petitions Tribunal has declared that it lacks the powers to hear the petition of the Allied Peoples Movement (APM) challenging the qualification of President Bola Tinubu and Kashim Shettima.

iexclusivenews reports that Justice Haruna Tsammani, reading the lead judgment on Wednesday, that the issues brought before the tribunal are pre-election matters, which ought to have been at a high court.
Continue Reading: https://iexclusivenews.com.ng/2023/09/06/just-in-tribunal-strikes-out-petition-seeking-tinubus-disqualification/

Did you not see where he stated that five of the turbines has not been installed up till today but there are there at the ports which is a fallout of this disfunctional Nigerian
state. Every successive administration not continuing on the project of his predecessor.

adioolayi:
$6Billion worth of contract went under your nose as the President and you are boldly saying you don't know about it

I mean $6Billion

If your not knowing about it doesn't say alot about your administration...what will

Anyone that lives in Abuja would agree with me that the is issue of these bikes arrest by the task force is on continuous basis and it predates Wike. What happens is that after this arrest, they usually collects money and give back these bikes to their owners.
These one they are destroying the bikes, am of the opinion that it's not Wike that sent them,it's just eye service.

I want to ask is if there is no room for appeal in this PEPT this time around?

The only thing I want the junta to achieve is to terminate any colonial agreement Niger had with the French or initiate a process for it and handpick for a civilian president for the job.
But it's gonna be a hard but to crack seeing that France is in control of all the francophone economic and monetary systems.
Can they achieve it with Russia being on their side?

The reason they want to leave may not actually be true.i remember a few months ago,one of their products that I use, Ventolin inhaler was not in the market for quite some time. One of the big pharmaceutical marketers told me the reason was that the company was having issues with the Nigerian authorities with regard to production.
Glaxo does not manufacture any of this high end drugs in Nigeria, and thats the condition the Nigerian gave them for continue operation. I think they are just trying to beat that regulation

obyno82:
Dude stop trying to rationalize bull shit, Glaxo is one of the best pharmaceutical companies in Nigeria and for them to leave is an indication that all is not well. Bros fear God and speak the truth for once. Haba!!

Am thinking what if the NLC and it's affiliates do not make any public announcement on or before the said date but instructs it's members to stay at home on the premise of not having transport fare to work until further instructions.
is that one a disobedience to the court order

This CBN Governor may likely have the same problem Emefiele had, that is fiscal policies that are efficient from the side of Government. I saw it mentioned in the article. No matter how much a CBN Governor does with monetary policy, things may not work without the fiscal policies.

Lol. Inec for release the certified true hard copies of form ec8, why did they only give LP the blurred one from the Irev. proving they won the election based on the form ec8 submitted by their own polling booth agents will equates to a kind of building a skyscraper on a sand, without the ctc of Ec8 from Inec.quote author=SledgeHammerer post=124574765]Even in his final written address, obi still didn't show us how he won this election. Mtcheeeew[/quote]

Oga the blurred copies they presented to the court was certified true copies from inec .
Inec refused to give them the CTC of the hard copies in their
possession.unless you didn't read the address or follow the court proceedings.
Both pdp and lp have their original copies submitted by their agents but they can't build a case from it because it is uncertified. quote author=Lotanna2 post=124571512]

You still don't get it.obi and atiku failed to prove that the blurring was from inec.tjey failed to compare it with the hardcopies which is fatal...inec certified server or online copies of bvas data in osun but yet the court rejected them for the original copies[/quote]

By your last submission that only legislation not litigation can remedy the defects in our electoral system. Is it not intuitive enough to know from the onset that Peter Obi indicated that he is challenging the process not the outcome of the election
We are aware that in this country every good process we have on paper like INEC promising real time transmission of results to ensure transparency is always comprised ... (Mind you they have everything to make this work)But the question is how long shall we continue like this!
There is no way of achieving the right legislation if the electoral system can be manipulated at will by politicians.
And in this election did inec complied with the electoral laws? Is it by calling up witnesses from polling both that petitioners can prove that inec didn't comply with the electoral laws?
Well it is left for the courts to decide.

Philgafauto:
If you know me, you will know that i resent Bola Tinubu for his criminal past. But on this Court matter, Peter Obi's legal team were unable to prove that there was no substantial compliance with the Electoral Act. The burden in election petitions are quite high because the jurisprudence in that area of law has been that INEC has always been protected by the courts as having "Substantially complied with the extant electoral laws"

It is an unfortunate situation and only legislation can remedy the defect of our electoral system, not litigation.

casualobserver:
Speak English properly first so we know what you are asking and what to answer.

I won't downgrade to your level,I have checked your posts on your profile and it's not worth it

You seem to appear intelligent but I want to ask ,is it because you didn't see from the proceedings at the court where for instance where the petitioners tried proving they won Lagos with x amount of votes citing the Ec8 form that they didn't present such before the tribunal?

casualobserver:
If you had any brains you will realize they have concluded their case and did not specify which results they were contesting. All they talked about was irev but the Supreme Court said only a few months ago irev is irrelevant. Bringing boxes to court and. It saying anything about the contents of the boxes or how it affects your case means nothing….it’s just a show!

Shebi they have concluded their case? Did you hear where they said they won Lagos and this is the exhibit? Did you hear where they said they won Ekiti and this is the EC8 evidence? Did you hear where they said they won Bauchi or any other state and this are the EC8 forms to prove it? No they just brought boxes to court to excite their base and spent all their time calling expert witness from Amazon that is not qualified to speak on behalf of Amazon etc etc.

bigiyaro:
that place is a natural flood plain, there is no engineering solution to it.

what about diverting the water from the upland sources that is the adjourning estates or even depending the canal that pass through trademore?
The problem with that canal at trademore is that it is always filled with filt and you know Nigerians we are a kind of always reactive than being proactive.

I don't understand why some people think because LP and PDP didn't follow the normal process of calling up witnesses from polling both that they do not have the polling both results and didn't tender it to the tribunal.
With the time allotted for the parties to make their case, that would be a waste of time. Those polling both evidence is contained in their written address. Inec and apc hopefully wanted the petitioners to approach the case from that angle so that they would use technicality to kill the case but the petitioners choose to attack from the flank

Parachoco:
It does not make any sense to doctor what all the Political Parties have

The Result for each Polling Unit is with LP

If Obi think INEC wants to doctor the result, let him tender the real results alongside INEC doctored result

Simple As ABC

From this witness statement, it's obvious LP has the polling both results. Interesting times ahead
quote author=IfnobeGod20 post=124102673]
I'd there anyone among the presidential candidate, that is bearing Pandora? You people would never have discourse intelligently but prefer to throw bile about and denigrate always. By the time same people return in the same measure, you will start shouting that Obidients are abusive but you will never say, you started it.

Now, let me behave that unsolicited nickname you gave up there I didn't see it. Here below is the cross examination of the LP witness where he alluded that the results on EC8A weren't the same with what was uploaded. I hope after reading the cross examination, you will stop confusing people that LP didn't claim manipulation of results.

"[ Prof. Eric is reminded that he is still on oath ]

1st Respondent [INEC] Cross-examination :

[N:B
Q=Questions the first respondent cross examiner is asking the witness.
A= Answer of the witness]

Q. Where were you on election Day?

A. I went to vote

Q. You voted and it went on smoothly?
A. Yes

Q. You were commissioned to produce this report by the LP?

A. I was requested to produce the report.


Q. You were paid for it?

A. Nobody paid me

Q. You acted as a patriotic Nigerian?

A. I'm a patriotic Nigerian, yes.

Q. As a disinterested party?

A. Yes

Q. Going by the terms of reference mentioned in Para3 of your WSO, primary source of data was the IREV Portal.

A. Yes

Q. In your witness statement, you made reference to Forms EC8As as well as results uploaded on the IREV Portal, I assume you were referring to the same thing?

A. Not exactly

Q. What did you mean?

A. It's because they are different

Q. What's the difference?

A. Forms EC8A is different from what's uploaded.

Q. The Form EC8A uploaded on the portal is the only document you could see on the portal?

A. Not really

The Court:
what is not really?that's not a definite answer

A. His questions did not require a definite Answer.

[ The initial question is repeated by the first respondent cross examiner to the witness again]

A. No


Q. What else can you see ?

A. There were blurred images and some that were not related to the analysis done. For instance, results of Senate replaced for House of Reps.

Q. When you refer to Blurred images of Forms EC8A, you did not mean the physical copies could be blurred?

A. I didn't see physical copies.

Q. In all your review, you did not see anything on the portal that suggests there is an electronic collation system?

A. The IREV portal is an electronic collation system

Q. Are you suggesting to the court that the portal is capable of collating and tabulating results?


A. It's not capable of doing that.

Q. In Appendix E, you made reference to Labour Party agent Forms EC8As

A. Yes

Q. Did you attach them to your report?

A. It has been tendered to the court. I did not.

Q. You're not an election expert ?

A. It depends On what you mean by election expert.

Q. I suggest to you that there was no way you undertook the task in Para3(c) of your Witness Statement, not being an expert.

A. If I understand you clearly, the electoral act and guidelines for conduct of election requires online...

[ The first respondent [INEC] cross examiner then interrupted him ]

Q. Just answer the question.
Are you an election expert, can you determine compliance?

A. I can determine compliance.

Q. Look at Exhibit PCB1 series, for Rivers State. [He's shown the report he tendered that was marked as Exhibit].
What LGA is that?

[ The court officials are trying to get the document in question which have been marked, looks like they didn't bring it into the courtroom earlier ]

Q. Confirm to the court when you concluded your assignment.

A. 19th of March

Q. Back to Exhibit PCB2.
Can you read out to LGA ?

A. Degema

Q. In Ward 7, the Polling Unit you see is?

A. 002

Q. Accredited Voters is 40 correct?

A. Yes

Q. Number of voters 40 correct?

A. Yes

Q. To be able to do arithmetic, are you suggesting that?

A. youre correct, (any level of mathematical knowledge)

Q. Your choice of Rivers and benue, was it as a result of random pick not informed by any theory?

A. Random pick.

Q. You're aware that at the last presidential election PDP, APC and LP all won a number of states in terms of majority of votes.

A. My job have nothing to do with who win and who did not win.

Q. Did you know?

A. What you heard may not be correct.

Q. Confirm you did not hear anything about the evential outcome of the election.

A. I heard something

Q. Who won the election based on what INEC announced?

Q. Who won in benue state based on what INEC declared?

[Witness is dragging in answering the question ]

Q. Do you now recall which party won in Rivers and benue?

A. I can't say for now.

Q. Those two states were won by APC is that correct?

A. I told you can't say for now.

Q. In your report, there's an element of statistics involved.

A. I dealt on exact data.

Q. What you did was to sample and extrapolate ?

A. Sampling have to do with forecasting, I used exact data

Q. How many polling units are there in Rivers State?
A. I don't have everything by heart.

Q. How about benue state?

A. Same answer my Lord.

Q. The total number of polling units in Rivers and benue does not amount to 18,000 blurred results you want the court to cancel.

A. Since I do not know the number of polling unit, how do I know? They will not add up.

Q. Admonition for statistics: Researchers should be aware of statistical error and sampling error arising from random sampling and bias.

A. I'm not a statiscian. The data is an exact data, there's no randomness in it.

Q. So your choice of two states was not a random choice?

A. The data is an exact data but when it comes to selection of sample space, the selection is done randomly

The Court:
you said you did random sampling?

A. No, the choice of states is random but the sampling data is exact.


Q. Your interest in this exercise is for educational research.

A. Yes, not a paid job

Q. Will you teach your students based on this and states APC won ?

A. It has not got to the point of engaging my students.

Q. If you have opportunity to do research on other states, you'll get different results?

A. Each state will come up with its own results.

Q. In your report, you analyzed Forms EC8As on the IREV, nowhere did you allude to what was on EC8Bs and EC8Cs
A. Once it's wrong at the polling unit level, it will be wrong up, so the most important form to analyze is Form EC8A

[ That's all for the cross examination of the witness by the 4th respondent ]

[ There's no questions in re-examination.
Ikwueto SAN now asked that the witness be discharged.
The court discharges him from the witness box".

Note, if you reply me rudely I won't dignify you with reply, this I promise you because I don't dwell in abuse.[/quote]

I would be personally disappointed if PDP and LP do not have the original copies of form of the polling both result sheets(EC8a). Technically they would loose the case if they don't but something tells me they do.
They may want the respondent to open their defense first before bringing out the evidence that are in those forms in their written address

An office with no occupant?
Quote author=Gajagojo post=123599242] AGF is an office[/quote]

I want to ask who is the attorney general of the federation? He was mentioned as one of the petitioner

I think the NLC don't want to strike but want to force the government to initiate and implement some cushioning initiatives to ameliorate the hardship..
The challenge they are having is who to take responsibility from the side of government. It's still a new administration but there are things you don't leave to linger or else it's an admission that you accept the conditions and in this case, it is the workers welfare