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There's a reason football websites like 90minutes and givemesports rate Arteta higher than PIOLI. They even rate Arteta top 5 and 6 respectively.

Show me anywhere PIOLI is rated higher than Arteta currently

Roland17:
Abeg, show me where I recommended Mourinho. Apparently, I wasn't the only one who thought Conte is good.

A lot of times you guys respond with already perceived emotions and that is the biggest issue. The thing is when Pioli's name came up, you guys sounded like it a sacrilege. We have put their resumes side by side and Pioli trumps Arteta, consequently, the comparison is justified. Of course you can choose Arteta but to denigrate coaches who are better is a no no for me, especially one who is around the same timeline with Arteta.

I have told you guys severally, Arteta should stay until his contract expires in 2025 and we will review after 2025.

He grew and improved his resume with several clubs before getting to Milan, andhis impact at Milan wasn't instant. You really brings good points and I respect that.

Spy360:
When Ebening was out manager I was the one defending him. I defended Guendouzi.

It's a marvel comics relic that those who insulted me then are now the ones using him to make their case.

I am hungry for a apology right now.

I wanted to mention you when this ebening case was brought up, but I don't know how you will feel about it

Roland17:
You probably need to go back and read the pages before this.

Both coaches have had 1 2nd place finishes (current season ongoing)

Pioli's worst finish in the league is 6th, Arteta's worst finish is 8th in consecutive seasons

Arteta's best UCL finish is the Quarter Finals, Pioli's is the Semi-final

Pioli's best finish in the Europa is the Quarter Finals while Arteta's is the semi-finals

We have agreed to not include budgets, since you agree Arteta has had more financial backing.

Once again, based on the above, the comparison is justified and available facts show Pioli has accomplished more

Now go through your own post and you will see that the only thing pioli have over Arteta is winning the league and finishing 6th while Arteta finished 8 as lowest league finish.
You're a Milan fan and also an arsenal fan so tell me, when both coaches took over affairs which club was in better shape?. I can't downplay the achievement of PIOLI like I said I was one of the Milan fans that supported him during the not so good days, but taking him over Arteta at this point in arsenal transformation isn't really acknowledgeble.

I watched Milan fans wail and question the sack of gattusso if pioli couldn't give what he gave.

Which Milan was shit?.

Milan missed out on UCL under gatusso with 1 point.

Gattusso finished 6th and 5th with Milan and pioli dragged us down to 8th on his first season

The comparison is not justified brother. Because no one including yourself believed arsenal would drag the league up to till match day 34 last season because of how shit we used to be

Roland17:
You can not make this a subjective argument and invent rules off the fly. They both got hired during the 2019/2020 season, it is only fair to judge them on their best finishes throughout their tenure. This isn't about projections and trajectory because none of that is given. We are talking about what they have achieved thus far.

When Pioli's name came up, your camp acted like it is a sacrilege to include his name but the side by side comparison justifies it and even shows Pioli has achieved more than Arteta has done. I gave Arteta his credits and due and also accorded Pioli his rigfhtful.

At the end of the day, the question is, is a Pioli comparison justified? The facts as shown above have proven that they are justified and infact has bettered Arteta.

Not my camp but personally me. And with what you posted up there the only difference is that Milan won the league and arsenal is yet to. That's all and we can actually win that league this year

Emotions and sentiment aside let's just focus on what Roland gave us up there and analyze who's better currently

Roland17:
Naaaa, just stop it already, you should know you are debating a Hardcore Milan fan here.. Lets go!

League best finishes

19/20 Pioli-6th Arteta 8th
20/21 Pioli-2nd Arteta 8th
21/22 Pioli-WINNER Arteta 5th
22/23 Pioli- 4th Arteta 2nd
23/24 (Ongoing) Pioli- 2nd Arteta 2nd

Best finish in UEFA Champions League
22/23 Pioli- Semi Final Arteta 23/24- Quarter Final

Best Europa League finish
23/24 Pioli- Quarter Finals Arteta- Semi Finals

Domestic Cups
19/20 Pioli Semi- Finals Arteta- 19/20 WINNER

It is not even close! Pioli beasts Arteta side by side. Should I add expenditure and budget?

Nahhhhh!!!!.......With what you posted up there by yourself nwanne, be true to yourself and everything about yourself, who's on a better route... Judging with the fact that one was already a known name is the coaching space and the other is still on his first job?. You know the truth, and time after time you keep showing the double standards you accused me of. I'm a Milan fan too, so let's not brag about being a Milan fan. Arteta is on course to possibly winning EPL trophy with his first and only coaching job.

Now let's break it down to 2 years(last year and this season) since Arteta turned the fate and face of the club around.
Ongoing season that inter won with about 5 or 4 matches to go and Arteta is still pushing to the last day.
If pioli was so good why would a semi finalist crash out of group stage? While a nobody made it to quarter finals?.
With what you showed us here no pioli doesn't beast and best Arteta like how your mind is trying to make you believe

Roland17:
Respectfully, you have not provided any facts, instead you have gone on the defensive which is a sharp contrast from the aggressive stance you and your camp took when the name Pioli came up. You absolutely have the right to choose Arteta, anyone does but don't denigrate other coaches, especially those who are more accomplished than he is because you want to make a point.

Do you still want me to show you my own side by side comparison between Arteta and Pioli? I will use best finishes since they got their biggest gigs, transfers/ budget, quality and value of squad, best finishes in Europe (Europa/ UCL) and other metrics?

From 2019 till date, let's have it....
Milan have finished 6th, 4th, 1st and 2nd under pioli(note he started the 2019 season and Arteta came half way and inexperienced rockie too and took arsenal from 8th to 5th to 2nd and ....... and Milan was already on their way back to the top before he took over, which can't be said for arsenal when Arteta took over.
Arteta have had better finance backing sure.

This season Milan crashed out of the group stage of UCL and arsenal made it to quarter finals, last season Milan reached semi final of UCL which was the competition they were in but arsenal made it to semi final of uel too.

Roland17:
Since you want to go there, let’s put S. Pioli’s achievement as Milan manager side by side with Arteta. I just want facts! Side by side, Pioli vs Arteta.

Have a crack at it first…

You and I know what pioli have achieved with Milan side yes, he won the league with Milan in 2022 after being signed in 2019, he have been exposed to high level of football since 2016, Lazio, inter, fiorentina before Milan. And before winning the league he was known as a "bottler" who always starts the season well and ends it bad untill that changed in 2022. Now after then he have been on nosedive, why should we bring a coach that Milan wants to sack at the end of season because of the bad results he's given?. I was as patient with him as I am with Arteta now, my friends mocked me because of how I believed in pioli, and now some people are also mocking me cus of how I believe in Arteta. I believe success comes with consistency, hardwork and smart work. At this point in their respective career, SIR I WOULD GLADLY CHOOSE ARTETA OVER PIOLI ANYTIME, ANYDAY TWICE ON A TUESDAY.

Jodera:
Exactly
It means both are risk for you who you wouldn't want to gamble on Klopp.

We're on the same page then

He will still deny the obvious

Fkhalifa:
I suggested you rubbished them with what have they achieved, I asked what has Arterta achieved before Arsenal took the risk, Raya hasn't done anything spectacular at Brentford, but today he is winning the gloves......where is now the Turning Turner talk....

Fyi Raya won the golden glove in the championship before arsenal, but Raya have nothing to do with what we're talking about. We're not talking about past glories of coaches that have been in the job way before Arteta took his coaching badge, we're talking about coaches who are still up and running with results better than arteta's at the moment. At what point did "my Milan" and Leipzig crash out of Europe?, Where are they on their respective league table?, How many points have they gotten so far in the league?, What's the distance between them and their "already certified league winner before 4 matches to the last match day"?...

Shegzdave:
Can we say Arteta is a victim of his own success cause Man has raised the bar so high for himself?

Exactly

Fkhalifa:
Where was Arterta before coming here, he never managed, he was a bigger risk than those midtables you're mocking.... Are you saying Arterta is the best thing that can happen to Arsenal now?

Baba no turn Amala abeg, they asked you to mention managers and you're mentioning people who Arteta is currently in a better place than. Don't try to change the narrative that shit doesn't work with me

As a Milan fan, seeing someone mention pioli as potential replacement off me ah swear. Roland me and you follow dey support Milan, what do you think about this special suggestion?.

If man city should drop points along the way and arsenal fail to capitalize on that by winning Everton(with better goals) on Sunday, I go raise the bottling flag so high than whoever held it high.

Na person wey dey take dis banter to heart I dey mercy for take the lessons and catch your cruise

For someone who can't admit that Arteta brought the best out of xhaka, I'm definitely not surprised.

mostob:
Decent manager like who? I don't know why you all are scared to mention name

He said Milan and Leipzig coach

Leipzig and Milan coach. I laughed so hard man!!! . Ok, Alonso can be excused but Stefano pioli and Marco Rose . Oya see nah!!. Where those two coaches dey for table this year?, Where did the finished on the table last year?. 😂 we too dey play for here ah swear.

Roland17:
I mean, someone can’t look at Arsenal under Arteta for 4 years and just say, okay, in 4 years, we should have integrated a player. It won’t stop me from bowing to him. It won’t stop me from disagreeing with Roland17 in everything else.

I mean look at City and the players Pep throws in there. Do you know where City has finished in the academy logs? I am not saying starting before the convenient excuse of winning comes in, we are talking about 1 academy player in 4 years.

Haba mana!

he will do that next season

"my camp" did we at any point blame pep for our loss against villa?, because the math is not mathing.

We can talk about not bringing in any academy ehen, but we can still defend him on that with the same reasons of facing the heat of winning a major trophy and not trying to jeopardize that.

Jodera:
... until Saka turn turn him waist when we dey lash them 5-0 for first half.

Roland17:
LMAO. Your camp asked me the question about my solution and I have shared it but of course it has to be your way or no other way.

A lot will happen between now and 2025 if my solution is applied. I have not suggested he gets fired, so there should be no conversation about who replaces him. You see what I mean?

Chaii.. Biko let's stop this round about now nwanne. I respect your views, like I said I love getting informed, and you just left the group chat of people I have issues with.

Roland17:
Your camp has been asking for my solution and I shared it in clear terms.. I also believe it is fair with continued backing in the transfer window. And to your last sentence, oh yes, I know the club will give him an extension[b], I only shared my own solution.[/b]

I think the solution "my camp" wants to hear is who will replace Arteta should we sack him.

Jodera:
Lmaooo....
You never see something.


Person who claim to love arsenal yet he wants Chelsea to disgrace us wholeheartedly and let Hutchinson be the chief person to make Chelsea disgrace us just so that they'll sack Arteta.

Like let one of your biggest rival disgrace the club you 'love' because of one kekere Hutchinson.

Not that he likes the Hutchinson oo or that the boy na one Messi


You never see chumchin

You forgot about trusty being better than kiwior and how he would have been best for arsenal

Roland17:
It is the reason I highlighted Arsenal is at the peak of it's spending in decades. It is also why it is important to question things because we don't have deep pockets and future losses will be devastating for the club for FFP and the financial future of the club. By the end of his contract in 2025, if the club backs him in 2024 Summer/ 2025 Winter transfer, we may be close or at 1Billion.

Wenger gave arsenal lot of annual profits with nothing to show for it post Highbury era, but let's not talk about it shaa. Let this season finish first and we will know how is finance books are, andif we will spend 1billion. And for the contract, me and you know he will get one before his present ends.

Not Winning the league last year was our own undoing, we fvcked up and everyone admitted it, we had the league in our hands and couldn't hold on to it. Now tell me how we blame pep for it??. We are only trying to say that when competing with the best you can't avoid to loose guard and that was what we did last season. This season the race is at tight as it has ever been and yet some people can't see beyond trying to make a certain person there scapegoat.

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Roland17:
You guys are so stuck and sensitive to anything that compares Arteta..my goodness! Rather than make your case, you guys get overtly emotional about any comparison or anything that questions him..Jesu!

You are making my point. Invariably, the squad was so bad and Arteta has not improved the team in a vacuum. If any coach was given the financial support he He has had the support to improve the team from the clowns we were parading and was rewarded with a contract. No one questioned Ebening's firing, not me at least despite being a strong supporter.

You can't make such comparison and don't expect what you get. You can't compare wheelbarrow with truck. The transfer of pepe is still Arsenal's greatest mistake in the transfer market and that amount is one of the reasons arsenal is in the financial crisis. You were quick to justify emery and his squad forgetting how we were during his days. Aside the 22 games where we screamed "we've got our arsenal back, he fumbled when it matters most, top 4, UEL final and even wanted to drown us, but here you are trying to make him look like a saint while trying to downplay Arteta that's exactly the double standards you accused usof having.