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Jodera:
When Emery faltered all domestic cup competitions and even our top 4 position (at a point we were topping Chelsea with 5-6 points) just to focus on Europa. In fact Chelsea from 5th came up to finish 3rd while we went on to finish 5th (with Tottenham dropping to 4th)
We lost the final 4-1 against same Chelsea. In their words we "bottled" both the league and the Europa League.


Now what is even surprising me is that nobody here, not even one person here called Emery a Bottler heading into the next season or throughout the off season. I mean, if our standards was so so high the way they claim now, Emery would have felt big heat the way they're doing to Arteta now but No, nobody called Emery a Bottler even when we were playing poorly the next season.

I would have been more understanding if they highly criticized Emery the way they're doing to Arteta now. Honestly, I wouldn't have been "attacking" like this. But I fail to understand how Emery who did worse was given leeway but Arteta is been hounded for doing way better.

What do we even know bruh, we're just Arteta fans that value him over the club.

Roland17:
One of my favorite philosophers is Socrates, because he encourages people to question their truth, especially as times evolve. I love to engage people who are open/ receptive to divergent ideas, especially positions that may be extreme to whatever they believe, it is the only way we can learn. You don't have to believe or accept my side but don't think you should shove your own down my throat because it doesn't conform to your herd.

I have never said Arteta has not improved the team, having issues with aspects of his coaching doesn't mean I don't see his work. Also, for the records and the education of everyone or anyone interested, OUR FINANCES ARE NOT GREAT! WE HAVE DECLARED LOSSES FOR 5 CONSECUTIVE SEASONS AND THAT HAS SIGNIFICANT FFP CONSEQUENCES.

That is why I encourage fans to always learn the finances of the club and not just talk like Arsenal is a backyard mom and pop shop. We are at the peak of our spending in decades under Arteta. We are not promoting and integrating young players from our academy into the first team to offset some of these expenses that are tied to FFP.

I'd also take your post as a subtle admission that Arteta has spent 700M

Thanks for keeping it civil.

Which is why they're trying to correct those finance books with the type of deals we're getting. And yes maybe I have accepted the 700m because[b] approximately[/b] it is.

Most of the folks against Arteta don't really have a reason for hating him, they just choose to understand our comments however they choose to and not in the direction and logical reason why we give them. Jumping to exaggerate any comments that fuels hate about the man.

Jodera:
I don't think the players and coach would want to lose that match cos of their fans. Then they know what's at stake and I understand.

It's just whether Postecogolue can be conservative enough to stop Man City is my fear. The guy team too deh open body

He has everything to play for, a decent chance of bringing them back to UCL and getting more finances. He will really his best but I doubt if they can make it

Jodera:
Lol, Time can make even a sinner turn Saint. It just needs to be long enough.

These incessant shots wey Man U dey concede anyhow, I remember say na during Emery I first experience am.

We were that baaaad!!!

But suddenly, him don turn reference point.

You don see am nah....

Roland talks about evening squad that reached the finals of europa, but where did we finish with that squad in the league?, Is it not the same squad that he used to almost send us to relegation before he was sacked?....

Roland17:
Do your research first before swallowing what you see.

January 2022, Arteta spent 1.8M but your graphic is showing 0
Auston Trusty 1.8M

Summer 2022, Arteta spent 131.6 but your graphic is showing 121.5
Jesus 52.2M
Zinchenko 35M
Vieira 35M
Turner 5.9M
Marquinhos 3.5M
The rest were loan returns

Summer 2021, Arteta spent 165.5 but your graphic is saying 156.8

Ben White 58.5M
Odegaard 35.0M
Ramsdale 28.0M
Tomiyasu 18.6M
Lokonga 17.50M
Tavares 8M
Saliba, Mecho (Kolasinac), Torreira and Guen all returned from loan.

Summer 2020, Arteta spent 84M but your graphic is showing 81.5

Use the link below to toggle through the summer and winter transfers.

https://www.transfermarkt.us/arsenal-fc/transfers/verein/11/plus/?saison_id=2023&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=s

I love informative argument, and what you brought up is really informative. Regardless, you and I know arsenal is on the right path, some of the fees like that of rice and Raya are already recorded in our financial books but are still yet to be paid in full which shows the clubs isn't only good on the pitch but other aspect of management too. Let's not get too bitter after one or two errors, they club knows what they sign up for when they appointed Arteta and he's proving them right for making such decision and backing him up. The transfer market isn't as cheap as it used to be. For one I can understand your stance here more than they others that follow you in shouting up and down. Five years was what Arteta proposed to get us back on track and he did it in his 3rd year, let's give him his flowers and also criticize him when he fails but not outright hating like he's the worst of worse

Ability to read and ability to read and understand isn't clearly the same thing. Like someone said earlier, common sense isn't actually common.

Spy360:
If Spurs play their normal attacking game and make sure Maddison makes the first eleven, they will beat or draw Man City.

Man City saving grace has been that teams give them too much respect and are scared of going all out with fear of being trashed.

I saw Nottingham Forest attack City and if not for that mumu Wood, the game would have ended draw.

I told my guy this same thing and he laughed. But small truth dey am

Sportsweb:
Another thing is why is Arteta not challenging well in other competitions?

This is Arteta second performing seasons yet he has no strong foot in other competitions.

Was literally dumped out of FA and Carabao cup early this season.

Got eliminated by Sporting in Round of 16 last season and also didn't go far in FA and Carabao Cup.

If Mikel Arteta was doing well in other competitions and even winning of them, arsenal fans won't feel bottling EPL that much.

Instead he is about deliver back-to-back top four spot and trophyless should City ends up clinching the league this season.

For those that will attack me, I'm aware Mikel has won FA Cup in 2020. What has he done with this supposed Arsenal Golden team im terms of silverware?

Golden team?.. na just last season and this season oo. And this season never finish. Golden team
Imagine a team that finished 8th and 5th respectively is challenging for league back to back and bad belle still dey wan make Dem sack coach..

BlueRayDick:
As in.... that day ehn, Arteta will not even step away from the touchline . He will nearly jump enter pitch to flog any player wey play rubbish

Spy360:
Keep your wishes to yourself because you need it more to get out of that ICU you call a football club.

FYI, the reason we are having a civil war is because, even though we trashed you guys at your backyard, we still feel our club played so poorly against yours to the point of debating whether to sack the manager.

That's how shitty you guys stink.🤮

Now get the f*CK out of here. 😂

Seriously that's why I have tried avoiding his mention. Like we're in having a fight because of how we played and still won your team and you no get shame to come de shalaye ontop. SMH

mostob:
Everton won't be easy if at all Spurs beat City but I still believe the boys can do it.

No EPL match is easy, you just have to find a way to win

Even man utd fan follow dey put mouth for wetin he no truely understand, yes we celebrated winning them in their own backyard with their full fans in it because it's been like ages since we did that, even the arsenal teams considered the best found it difficult to do. In as much as man utd isn't in the title race and their form isn't the best right now, they're still Arsenal's greatest rival when it comes to title challenge, at a time that kind of match was the benchmark for who will win the league. Shouting about mentality up and down makes me wonder if he truely understand what winning mentality is all about. If the winning mentality wasn't there would we be here straight up two seasons.... Would we have withstood pressure of not loosing in foes grounds??.... Rada rada up and down like say na him de give people the mentality he's talking about and it doesn't come from believing in yourself

Like I keep saying I want to believe and I believe that city will loose against shitty spurs(abeg make e just happen), then winning Everton will be all it takes to end all this Arụmụka. Ndewo

Roland17:
Arsenal have an obligation to pay 27M to Brentford which will be completed at the end of the season. Arsenal can’t pay 27M or have 27M in our books and still have 3M as loan fee, it doesn’t work that way. Incase you are unaware, part of moving the commitment to pay the 27M is hinged on FFP.

Good afternoon nwanne mmadu. The total amount arsenal spent in the summer is around 208 or so, add it with the obligation to pay Raya's fee that where you will get to the 238 I showed you up there. The rice fee isn't yet completed but it was also added there. This thing is easy to understand, don't make it seem so hard.

Roland17:
When last did Arsenal have the investment Arteta has enjoyed? The last time I checked we finished 5th before Ebening left, with a sorry team led by proven clowns at the back.. so what are we talking about here?

The attached is from transfer market. I am going to test your knowledge now with how it adds up to 700M. Remember, this doesn’t include the obligation to pay Brentford 27M for Raya, add ons and fees associated with each transfer.. Have a go at it..

Where was arsenal on the table the day evening was sacked?.
Was the transfer market as crazy as it is now during Wenger and evening days?... So what are we talking about here?

Pep spent way more than what Arteta have spent in his first 4 years with man city even though city already had the best players and he won 2 epl. That same pep and his expensive team is the reason Arteta and his team are yet to win the epl, because unlike city, arteta's squad lacked the experience and exposure last season and are much more experienced and challenging again for the epl this season with that same team that have been on steady upgrade from day one.

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/transfer-news/arsenals-700m-transfer-truth-mikel-28434719

Check this out too

Roland17:
When last did Arsenal have the investment Arteta has enjoyed? The last time I checked we finished 5th before Ebening left, with a sorry team led by proven clowns at the back.. so what are we talking about here?

The attached is from transfer market. I am going to test your knowledge now with how it adds up to 700M. Remember, this doesn’t include the obligation to pay Brentford 27M for Raya, add ons and fees associated with each transfer.. Have a go at it..

You got it wrong there, it does include it and also includes the loan fees we paid for certain players and out outright purchase.

First time in arsenal history that we're having 27 wins in a single season but some people choose to see only the mistakes Arteta have made. SMH

Roland17:
At least you are more honest than others in saying we have spent more time building a coach than the team.

If spending doesn’t or shouldn’t translate into winning then why do we push back on the idea of Pep coaching smaller teams? Why is Ten Hag questioned? Why do we change the rules immediately it has anything to do with Arteta?

Are you sure that's what he really meant by the statement he posted up there, or how you choose to understand it?

Roland17:
Finishing 3rd isn’t any achievement but finishing 2nd in consecutive seasons when you were in control is? Do you see the double standard I keep talking about? I am not a Ten Hag apologist, heck I don’t fancy him but I am happy you guys are rattled by the comparison.

Where did Arteta finish in his first 2 seasons with Arsenal? Were we not messing with relegation? Didn’t he finish 8th? Arteta built the structure? LMAO… You guys never cease to amaze me honestly, you don’t. You say things and when you are found, you go scrambling.

Let me even allow you slide with that structure thing. But isn’t that confirming/ buttressing my position about being in a better structure than Ten Hag who is in his 2nd season?

Show me where Arteta hasn’t spent 700M fess.

Nwanne you're the one with double standards here, man UTD were already finishing 2nd and 3rd before eth, when last did arsenal finished 2nd?.
The fact that before he came we were a 5th and 6th team and his first season we finished 8th and have been in upward projection since then means that he created and built the current structure, simple.
Na me first ask you to show me the receipt of the 700m you're talking about, I'm not the one that stated an over ambiguous amount.

Roland17:
If anything, this should bother you. He has won the EFL, has his team in the FA cup finals and even finished 3rd in hos 2nd season.

Arteta has had more time, more money, a very stable football structure in comparison with more control and what do we have to show for it?

So when it come to man UTD, finishing 3rd is an achievement right?, Winning the EFL is so huge like Arteta didn't win FA cup in his first season. And please show me this net spending of 700m you keep talking about. Saying Arteta have more time and stable structure like he wasn't the one that built that structure, did eth build the structure of man UTD?, Wasn't UTD already reaching fa cup finals before he came, where was arsenal when Arteta took over?.

mostob:
TBH...the emotion and passion iamoyindamola dey put in Arsenal's game eh.... You could feel it just by going through this thread. Hopefully, you will be rewarded soon bro.

Man's die hard fan na why to dey reply his bants dey tire me, arsenal don too show am shege.

Lush100:
Some want is to be changing coach every 2 years once we do not win EPL.
Pls.do not mention FA cup. He won that on his first season

Just like Jode.ra said, they will wail till they tire cus no body among the board members or management as a whole is thinking about Arteta leaving

It's funny that the same rival and even arsenal fans that said Shiity spurs, UTD, Chelsea and Liverpool will do better than us this season are the same people saying they will do better than us next season wetin come do this season?, Oh, wait!!, We're way above them all. Dey play......

Can someone show us the net spending of Arteta that is 700m please!!!!, Because I don't understand where this $700 is coming from.
Even clubs that spent more than us are still way down the level Arteta have placed Arsenal. For one I don't blame pep for any of our fumbles but it is what it is, Europa exist last year was more heart breaking than our UCL exist this year.
Arsenal lost 5 games so far and city 3 but with much draws than us, so is that really a bad news, like baddd result?. Truely we shouldn't have lost some of the games we lost but loosing is part of the game and we can only grow. The hate you guys gives Arteta is way too obvious and cloud the success he have achieved. Give us names of Coaches that wi do better than what he is doing simple!!!.

iamoyindamola:
They bottled it since na

you just love that word bottle. bottling, bottled anything.

mostob:
Let's see the Arsenal team that would show up tomorrow. If Arsenal should draw or lose tomorrow, I would question their mentality.

Question their mentality if they drop points against UTD, well that will depend on how they played rather than the point they might drop(which I don't even want to think is possible )

Jodera:
Even our goal difference no come even sure us again. Something wey we deh use hold body small and dem even still get outstanding.
Chaiiii


So from next season, the goal na at least 94 points to get.

Anyways sha, this season never end.... Yet!!!

I knew the goal difference something wasn't a strong hold. When we lost to villa the only way possible way I thought and still think we can win is only if city looses to spurs(I don't even know why I heavy on spurs winning city dispite their recent woes). But that's the only way, that is if we win our remaining games too.

Itsrm:
Lol, Arsenal will lose or draw one more match before the end of the season.

You said it, but thankfully you're not a match day official or a player in the Arsenal team that loves to bet.