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AutosThe Last Chance ( OLD MAN AKA MONITOR_1 ) by gestapo(op): 7:49pm On Feb 15, 2009
OLD MAN AKA MONITOR_1

I HAVE MODIFIED THIS AND I AM SURE YOU SAW IT INITIALLY, I GIVE YOU THIS LAST CHANCE TO RETRACE YOUR STEPS, ELSE.
AutosRe: Is This True About Igwe1 by gestapo(op): 7:35pm On Feb 15, 2009
[quote author=Monitor_1 link=topic=232121.msg3471454#msg3471454 date=1234722750]With due respect to all posters on this thread, I request that you terminate all the squabbling for the sake of unity and peace, lest you appear as juveniles. https://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/281_baby_sucking_on_a_pacifier.gif

Lets stay focused on Auto discussions and allow dealers and shoppers alike, to have a reasonably good time here, without these distractions. I hope you all are big enough to let bygones be bygones.

Were we to have a permanent moderator, this thread would have been recommended for locking. In the absence of that, please show self restraints and cease posting on this thread.

Thank you for your understanding.

Monitor_1,
[/quote]i dont know why you sound so familiar, is it just me huh and by the way do you know a man called akuya huh are you working for him too huh honestly you sound alike, like he trained you or something  lipsrsealed

MONITOR_1, HOW COME YOU REGISTERED THE NIGHT IGWE1 WAS BANNED huh WE ARE NOT FOOLS.
AutosRe: Is This True About Igwe1 by gestapo(op): 10:03am On Feb 13, 2009
spikedcylinder:
Aha!

The remix is back with the same ole same ole isn't he? grin
a leopard never changes its skin, grin grin grin
AutosRe: Derailing Car Adverts Threads by gestapo(f): 2:55am On Feb 13, 2009
[quote author=Monitor_1 link=topic=232235.msg3456796#msg3456796 date=1234369812]Thanks for your understanding and support.

Nairalanders,

Let me once and for all state that I have no relationship whatsoever with the user, Igwe1, as some people have been suggesting in other threads.  I will continue to focus on being very respectful in all my posts as I remind dealers to post VIN numbers.  When obvious omissions are identified, I will inform dealers without prejudice and without accusing anyone of wrongdoing. My only objective is to make this section better for us all.  I'm sure it will be very clear to everyone that I am a very fair minded person with no interest in seing any dealer's failure.  And just maybe, Seun will elect to make me a permanent Moderator here  cheesy



https://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/2398_cheek_kisses.gif[/quote]igwe1,

go and learn the skills of using pseudo names from akuya, swallow1250 and jazzlove, they are one and the same person you are not good yet, your choice of words has given you away as well, and your quest for the moderator which failed when you were using your igwe1 username will fail again not under the pretence of joing the sisterhood will wash tongue tongue
AutosRe: 2003 Toyota Camry Le. This What I Call Great Value For Money. Check It Out! by gestapo(f): 2:34am On Feb 13, 2009
phammyus:
I do not want people to mix issues up here and allow unresolved things to linger on till God knows when. Please i don't want argybargy on my thread.

Monitor 1, i don't have any grudge against you because it's no issue to me and i respect woman a lot. It's just that you reneged on your promise so soon. You started it and you want it to stop immediately, it's not possible like that sister. You should have sent me a mail and await my action. I assure you, you'll be glad you did because i'm not incorrigible. Nevertheless, do not let us cry over spilt milk.  cool

@ others, thanks for your supports and comments. I thinks we should continue to handle issues with civility, the earlier we do the better for all of us. Thanks once again.
phammyus, you are getiing it wrong, Monitor_1 is not a woman, he is a reincarnation of igwe1, we are just giving him some little more time before we nail him finally, this is a clear evidence and the matter has been taken up immediately. good luck on your sale
AutosRe: 2003 Toyota Camry Le. This What I Call Great Value For Money. Check It Out! by gestapo(f): 1:40am On Feb 13, 2009
AutosRe: Is This True About Igwe1 by gestapo(op): 1:39am On Feb 13, 2009
[quote author=Busy_body link=topic=232121.msg3462706#msg3462706 date=1234478789]Wait for what grin manna from heaven grin I don tell you say dem never born the person wey fit corner you and your slippery self grin But you for tell me make I buy ticket for you na, instead of you creeping round the bush with hooligans and lawbreakers and outcasts half your age because you wan watch match for stadium cheesy

Monitor_1 no be one of my sisters, I can smell a mole a mile off cool

Abeg, carry ya yam tuber legs commot from my front make I see front, me sef I too busy for you, na Nobel Prizewinner I dey stalk now, no be ya type grin Anu ofia grin grin grin[/quote]LOL, these dumb guys think they can come as a spy with a female moniker, they didnt know we are not as dumb as them grin grin

i cant take my eyes off this message https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-228597.96.html#msg3447326
AutosRe: 2003 Toyota Camry Le. This What I Call Great Value For Money. Check It Out! by gestapo(f): 10:07pm On Feb 12, 2009
and here comes IGWE!! the reincarnation of igwe1, firearmy, Monitor_1 all of them shall be wiped off in no time tongue tongue
AutosRe: 2003 Toyota Camry Le. This What I Call Great Value For Money. Check It Out! by gestapo(f): 9:50pm On Feb 12, 2009
[quote author=Monitor_1 link=topic=232927.msg3462355#msg3462355 date=1234471371]The admonition above was very respectful. The car's odometer reading, per carfax, should be at least 252,052km. The poster probably just had a typo and didn't intentionally falsify the advertizement, he  probably did not omit the 1st digit maliciously.

Let's strive not to derail this thread. I'm sure the original poster will correct the issue. This monitor is here to stay!

Monitor_1
[/quote]igwe1 you and your jenju crew are already licking your wounds, if you did not want to derail the thread, why did you not send the poster an email first, instead of coming out here to spew nonsense, and derailing the thread, i tell you and your friends to stop this chilish attitudes and face business here if there is any left for you, if you dont change this your new username would be forgotten in the next few days i can promise you that, nonsense angry angry
AutosRe: 2003 Toyota Camry Le. This What I Call Great Value For Money. Check It Out! by gestapo(f): 9:05pm On Feb 12, 2009
[quote author=Monitor_1 link=topic=232927.msg3460755#msg3460755 date=1234451650]Thanks for posting the VIN number as recommended by the Administrators of this site. Please cross check and update the posted mileage to coincide with the mileage as reported by carfax/autocheck. Keep up the good work and honesty.  Thanks

https://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/2247_music.gif                   https://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/2239_clean.gif[/quote]igwe1 you are a dumb kakalaki, a vin has been provided you are still here talking nonsesnse about cross checks, guess what, you have been long forgotten and tell your cohorts that the chicken have come to roost. cheesy cheesy
AutosRe: 2008 Acura Rdx Technology Package ( One In Africa, Live With Inspired ) by gestapo(f): 7:38am On Feb 11, 2009
Sisi Jinx:
Busy_Body
I've always thought a woman should be the moderator for this section and after your post. . . . #100, I'm 100% convinced that woman should be you.

Thank you very much for finally saying what some of us have been beating around the bush trying to say. The truth is out there and any one with an iota of sense should have no problem getting it.

I hope you don't really mean it when you say you are done with this section because now is when the real sanitization begins. I thought I saw the dirtiest campaign against an opponent during the Obama/MCcain election. . . I was wrong.

It's funny how it's the people who have no stake whatsoever in this market. . . Who see what a great treasure it is to be able to do business here.

Oh well. sad

Anybraveryhoo. . .

Well done Sistheren. . . You are my hero. https://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/206_superman.gif

Back to our Scheduled program. grin
seconded lol kiss kiss
AutosRe: Is This True About Igwe1 by gestapo(op): 7:26am On Feb 11, 2009
ziontrain:
Please let's use this forum for something meaningful instead of gloating over people in unfortunate situation. If he was banned so what? Wasn't Cosjo banned before? Wasn't Inspired banned before? Did anybody gloat over them? We are not even sure whether your rumour is true but let's stop the gloating please! This is 2009. I wish all nairalanders success this new year.
ziontrain do you have to co -opt inspired name in your vindictive yearns huh? if you have a problem with inspired spit it out now or forever hold your peace.  angry

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-228597.96.html#msg3447326

igwe1, till we meet again.  cry cry cry
AutosIs This True About Igwe1 by gestapo(op): 7:16pm On Feb 10, 2009
Rumors are flying over that igwe1 has been banned on nairaland, he was banned yesterday night shortly after derailing the pre order thread of inspired_men with abusive comments. i want someone to confirm this story please. if indeed this is true then it is an action that is long over due lol wink
AutosRe: 2009 Toyota Matrix ( Learn From the Best, Live in Nigeria ) by gestapo(f): 10:14pm On Feb 09, 2009
[quote author=Busy_body link=topic=230742.msg3448426#msg3448426 date=1234213687]https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-182283.32.html#msg2953818

lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed[/quote]grin grin grin grin grin grin grin SO IGWE1 TAUGHT HOW TO TYPE FROM SEUN grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
AutosRe: 2009 Toyota Matrix ( Learn From the Best, Live in Nigeria ) by gestapo(f): 9:40pm On Feb 09, 2009
igwe 1:

Ego is the caused of Lucifer's down fall.
CAN SOMEONE ENROL IGWE1 IN AN ENGLISH FOR BEGINNERS SCHOOL PLEASE cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy THIS IS TOO MUCH OF A TYPO shocked shocked shocked
AutosRe: 2008 Acura Rdx Technology Package ( One In Africa, Live With Inspired ) by gestapo(f): 7:53pm On Feb 09, 2009
[quote author=Busy_body link=topic=228597.msg3447326#msg3447326 date=1234198736]No one is here to discredit anyone, you were just being paid back in your own coin, simple. And the earlier you start applying the third paragraph of your epistle to yourself too, the better. Get your cohort off Inspired_men's back too and stop being holier-than-thou and stop playing the victim card, it would not wash.

You and Ziontrain need to be the bigger person and stop advertising with "unlike some, we don't advertise salvage blah blah blah". Its childish. There is a market for salvage cars and new cars and used cars, so live and let live.

You can pull the wool over everyone all you like, but I know that you are/were Akuya, and I know that Romeobest is/was Inspired_men, and I am not the only one with an ounce of brain cell that knows this too. Inspired_men had a valid, albeit childish reason to go after Phammyus, but it was greed and bad taste that made you go after, not only inspired_men, but Phammyus too.

But everyone makes mistake and no one is perfect, so you can all move on and close that episode, and forget it ever happened. And I am sure Yahoo is feeling a bit remorseful for the part he played too. And wherever he is, I genuine hope he is okay with himself.

You guys do not realise the opportunity you have here that is going to waste. What stops Jenju from saying "Inspired I am busy, please help me sort out this car" or what stops Phammyus from saying "oga jenju, help me tie some loose ends over there in the States" or what stops Promise72 from telling Emperor to help him clear his car in Nigeria undecided

Okay Nairaland has never had a get together before, but what is stopping all dealers here from getting together to have a party or something and networking and having fun together with their customers, instead of having these "coup plotting meetings" all over the place undecided

What is wrong behind rallying round with Fotodaddy and his rallies or EI and his sojourn all over Nigeria, and having fun getting to know one another and each other's families undecided

No one of you is going to carry this money anywhere, we are all going to leave this world empty-handed, the way we came in, so all of you need to let bygone be bygone. I know some people are going to try and come and redeem themselves, but I don't just talk for talking sake, and I have concrete proofs of what I am saying/have said.

I am sure the people in the link below will give an arm and a leg, just to be a part of this life again, so make the most of your time left in this world. Appreciate one and other and help build each other up. A word is enough for the wise.

I just saw this link this morning, and they have put up over 20 new faces since then sad This is the real world sad  http://www.gonetoosoon.org/



@ GodBeformi aka Carshopper
It is because of people like you that some people were uncomfortable against the idea of posting the VIN of the car they are selling. You need to quit your "as I was going to the market, going to the shop, I saw . . ." charades too, it is childish and nasty, motor for sale never finish for market, you don't need to poach a fellow dealers car undecided   

@ Tjmorris
I can see you too and am just saying hi cheesy quit whilst you are ahead.smiley

Shame the thread in the link below was closed, because even though it started off in bad taste, things turned around and every one’s outpourings were genuine and heartfelt.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-208104.0.html#msg3235132


I am out of the thread too for good, let all those who detest peace continue to fan the flame of discord sad



Thanks for this forum and this avenue Seun smiley[/quote]PEACE PEACE PEACE. kiss kiss kiss
AutosRe: 2008 Acura Rdx Technology Package ( One In Africa, Live With Inspired ) by gestapo(f): 7:44pm On Feb 09, 2009
promise72:
Like i said, you lack respect. I am cross sighted. I know that. Thanks for your observation. At least i know that you are not totally retarded.

I am glad to let you know that im in the company of Sikiru Ayinde Barrister, Ooni of ife to mention a few.

Show your face. U scared? U little punk.
Ooni of ife and Sikiru Ayinde barrister on Nairaland grin grin grin grin grin grin
AutosRe: 2008 Acura Rdx Technology Package ( One In Africa, Live With Inspired ) by gestapo(f): 7:38pm On Feb 09, 2009
promise72:
All i can say is that you lack respect. I will try not to go into the gutter with you. Have you traced the Akuya (or whatever it is) to Jenju?

Just my question. Have you? Until then,

I suggest you go back home and learn some respect. I am here front and Center. Flat footed. My picture in my profile. I said it and not taking any of it back. No hiding.
Who gives a rats asrse about your cross sighted eyes in your photo, if you dont have brains to rub together then you wont know akuya is jenju and he started the problems on this forum angry angry angry
AutosRe: 2008 Acura Rdx Technology Package ( One In Africa, Live With Inspired ) by gestapo(f): 7:29pm On Feb 09, 2009
promise72:
@ Busybody,

I have to take a nap twice to read thru your post. Damn! its long. My position is simple. Jenju has never done anything wrong! At least at this point. He didnt take payment without delivery nor did he deliver a flawed vehicle. No misrepresentation. No issue with VIN. He is free to advertise the type of car he sells (If he says he doesnt sell flooded or salvage cars. He's free to do that) Anybody else selling whatever should keep on. Its a big market.

A bank can advertise that "we don't charge ATM fees, " Its not an indictment of other banks that do. Why take it personal or ar you taking it personal for someone else?

When someone advertises a car to be a particular year but it turned out to be a different year. Then you should be worried about the mindset of that person. Especially when this is not the first time.
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Are your eyes blind or your ears deaf to ask who was/is akuya huh how did the problems and attack on this forum start ? huh who started it, it was all

akuya aka jenju thats the bone of contention, why did he have to attack a fellow car dealer on his pre order thread, see the issue from the start. lipsrsealed lipsrsealed
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So until you have a misrepresentation by Jenju, i think the best thing is to respect yourself. As the saying goes: Respect begets repect 
AutosRe: 2008 Acura Rdx Technology Package ( One In Africa, Live With Inspired ) by gestapo(f): 7:26pm On Feb 09, 2009
[quote author=Busy_body link=topic=228597.msg3447326#msg3447326 date=1234198736]No one is here to discredit anyone, you were just being paid back in your own coin, simple. And the earlier you start applying the third paragraph of your epistle to yourself too, the better. Get your cohort off Inspired_men's back too and stop being holier-than-thou and stop playing the victim card, it would not wash.

You and Ziontrain need to be the bigger person and stop advertising with "unlike some, we don't advertise salvage blah blah blah". Its childish. There is a market for salvage cars and new cars and used cars, so live and let live.

You can pull the wool over everyone all you like, but I know that you are/were Akuya, and I know that Romeobest is/was Inspired_men, and I am not the only one with an ounce of brain cell that knows this too. Inspired_men had a valid, albeit childish reason to go after Phammyus, but it was greed and bad taste that made you go after, not only inspired_men, but Phammyus too.

But everyone makes mistake and no one is perfect, so you can all move on and close that episode, and forget it ever happened. And I am sure Yahoo is feeling a bit remorseful for the part he played too. And wherever he is, I genuine hope he is okay with himself.

You guys do not realise the opportunity you have here that is going to waste. What stops Jenju from saying "Inspired I am busy, please help me sort out this car" or what stops Phammyus from saying "oga jenju, help me tie some loose ends over there in the States" or what stops Promise72 from telling Emperor to help him clear his car in Nigeria undecided

Okay Nairaland has never had a get together before, but what is stopping all dealers here from getting together to have a party or something and networking and having fun together with their customers, instead of having these "coup plotting meetings" all over the place undecided

What is wrong behind rallying round with Fotodaddy and his rallies or EI and his sojourn all over Nigeria, and having fun getting to know one another and each other's families undecided

No one of you is going to carry this money anywhere, we are all going to leave this world empty-handed, the way we came in, so all of you need to let bygone be bygone. I know some people are going to try and come and redeem themselves, but I don't just talk for talking sake, and I have concrete proofs of what I am saying/have said.

I am sure the people in the link below will give an arm and a leg, just to be a part of this life again, so make the most of your time left in this world. Appreciate one and other and help build each other up. A word is enough for the wise.

I just saw this link this morning, and they have put up over 20 new faces since then sad This is the real world sad http://www.gonetoosoon.org/



@ GodBeformi aka Carshopper
It is because of people like you that some people were uncomfortable against the idea of posting the VIN of the car they are selling. You need to quit your "as I was going to the market, going to the shop, I saw . . ." charades too, it is childish and nasty, motor for sale never finish for market, you don't need to poach a fellow dealers car undecided

@ Tjmorris
I can see you too and am just saying hi cheesy quit whilst you are ahead.smiley


Shame this thread was closed, because even though it started off in bad taste, things turned around and every one’s outpourings were genuine and heartfelt.


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-208104.0.html#msg3235132

I am out of the thread too for good, let all those who detest peace continue to fan the flame of discord sad



Thanks for this forum and this avenue Seun smiley[/quote]shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked
AutosRe: Please Cross-Post Your Car Ads On Nairalist - Now Supports Pictures! by gestapo(f): 6:54pm On Feb 09, 2009
AutosRe: Chassis Number Or VIN Is Recommended On Every Listing by gestapo(f): 6:53pm On Feb 09, 2009
AutosRe: 2008 Acura Rdx Technology Package ( One In Africa, Live With Inspired ) by gestapo(f): 6:45pm On Feb 09, 2009
ziontrain:
@Busy_body,

Please don't drag me into this mess. I have made an undertaking not to jump into Inspired's thread but this time I have to set the records straight.

At no time have I made any posting discrediting Salavaged Cars. Instead, I continue to say that there is serious market for salvaged cars that have been restored. All I am against is deceptive marketing i.e. presenting Salvaged cars without evidence of restoration or any waranty as clean-title cars. Full disclosure is all I have asked for. Please get your facts right.
Busy-body, you should not have included ziontrain, we are talking of car dealers that are selling cars on nairaland not sanitisation officers lol
AutosRe: 2008 Acura Rdx Technology Package ( One In Africa, Live With Inspired ) by gestapo(f): 2:08pm On Feb 09, 2009
jenju:
Inspired, I apologize for entering your thread, my intention is not to derail the thread - this will be my last entry here.

@gestapo, I engaged you on another thread because I thought your cause was noble. It has now turned out that your objective is to ferment trouble in this Auto section. I'm not one to have a cat fight with a girl, so I'm simply going to humbly request that you stop making unsubstantiated accusations and insinuations.

You and your cohorts have resorted to calling any forumite that disagrees with you, Jenju. If your objective is to discredit the Jenju brand, it is not working. If your objective is to attempt to cause disagreements between dealers here, that will not work either, for it is impossible to stop any dealer with a good product from successfully connecting with a buyer.

As for this thread, I appeal to the forumites who are continuously derailing it by constantly hounding Inspired about the year model of the car, to stop. You've made your point, let buyers decide on their own. The man has a right to sell his car and I'm sure any buyer that wants to spend N6m will not pay until he/she is satisfied that he/she is getting his money's worth.

This will be my last comment to the likes of gestapo, who I believe is a reincarnated forumite that was banned for using people's real names on another thread. No matter how much you try to annoy me, I will never again dignify your comments and those of your cohorts with a reply. You can continue to wallow is your obsession and curse. May God help you see the light.

Inspired, once again I apologize for the commenting on your thread. Keep doing your thing with honesty, honour, and integrity and the sky will be your limit. I wish you all the best.

Cheers,
J
Jenju that message is for yourself and that curse shall be upon you unless you are not akuya, swallow1250, jazzlove, i have studied your posts carefully and that is why i registered with this id, you started the problem on this forum when you registered with akuya to hound inspired_m, to be continued
AutosRe: 2009 Toyota Matrix ( Learn From the Best, Live in Nigeria ) by gestapo(f): 7:47pm On Feb 08, 2009
Seanpoe:
This is a 2008 car, only cars made in the final quarter of the yr are referred to as made in the following year.
from your advert, this car was produced 01/08.
carfax said its 2009 who are you to say it is not, Sean pooh pooh grin grin.
AutosRe: The Real 2009 Infiniti Fx. . . ( Biometric Entry, Live In Nigeria, ) by gestapo(f): 5:01pm On Feb 08, 2009
shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked running through your posts to see if your qualify for accredited car dealership on nairaland, i saw this whale, is it still available or sold shocked shocked shocked shocked
AutosRe: Chassis Number Or VIN Is Recommended On Every Listing by gestapo(f): 4:14pm On Feb 08, 2009
Sisi Jinx:
Where else would it be from??!! https://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/5.gif

Okay here it is. . .

How come on the days you don't sound like you. . . i.e you sound literate, your sentence construction is 10, your spelling is on par and you seem to know what you are talking about, you end your posts with. . .

Regards/Cheers

I


or

Regards/Cheers Igwe or just plain I and Igwe


It gives me a sense of deja vu. . . ya know like I've seen this kinda writing format somewhere else. . . .  but where and when and why and by whom. https://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/43.gif
Sisi Jinx is there any other person that ends posts with Cheers I, Cheers J, Cheers Q huh because some days when igwe1 constructs good engish he always ends with Cheers I, are you saying all he needs to change in the messages being sent to him to post is from Cheers J to  Cheers I  cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
AutosRe: Chassis Number Or VIN Is Recommended On Every Listing by gestapo(f): 1:46pm On Feb 08, 2009
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chika98:
The funny thing is how Igwe1 dey flip flop with smilies all over the place. Cannot be serious about this issue knowing that his "internet cred" is at stake. Igwe one this is such a shame. You haven't handled all of these well at all. The guilt smells from a mile away. SMH
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reply to this, you have not handled this allegations of bribery well at all, stop rigmaroling with smilies. guilt smells all over you.
AutosRe: Ridiculous Car Prices by gestapo(f): 1:00pm On Feb 08, 2009
PAPABOMBOY:
Money Laundering grin grin grin grin

Na today?

Just as some dey koro koro sell salvage death traps for high price under guise as clean old papa, virtuous name or big grammar. Nah the nature of the game jare.


BOTTOMLINE, MAN MUST WAK!!!


who is the ''virtuos" old papa dealer shocked shocked and who is the big grammar dealer huh  cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
AutosRe: Ridiculous Car Prices by gestapo(f): 8:41am On Feb 08, 2009
AutosRe: Chassis Number Or VIN Is Recommended On Every Listing by gestapo(f): 8:31am On Feb 08, 2009
chika98:
[size=15pt]The funny thing is how Igwe1 dey flip flop with smilies all over the place. Cannot be serious about this issue knowing that his "internet cred" is at stake. Igwe one this is such a shame. You haven't handled all of these well at all. The guilt smells from a mile away. SMH
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you are right.
AutosRe: 2008 Acura Rdx Technology Package ( One In Africa, Live With Inspired ) by gestapo(f): 9:47pm On Feb 07, 2009
igwe 1:
Everybody is entitle to his own opinion else the rule is simple.
It's easy to take a horse to a stream but not quit easy to force it to drink water. smiley smiley
why force a horse that is already full with water huh

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