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davidylan: I was wondering when everyone would come to such a glaring conclusion. It is one thing to be debating atheism with the likes of KAG, mazaje or even thehomer. To be arguing such issues with children like logicboy/macdaddy is a waste of time.

With all due respect sir, you are not only a waste of time...but also a waste of space and bandwidth. LogicBoy/MacDaddy/LogicMind/LogicBoy01 are deeeep thinkers like me.

Deep Sight: O clear off.

That is a misuse of the word "athiest".

No its not....atheism is the opposite of theism i.e. Not accepting organised religions and also disbelieve in the supernatural or whatever supernatural claim that can't be proved....so I can be atheistic towards Christianity and Islam but theistic on Ifa because I have seen proof of certain supernaturality. Ifa is simply henotheistic and within it contain a particular aspect called 'ishgun' where what for argumentative sake will call 'magic' (not the trick and illusory types)

Delafruita: do you even understand the meaning of the word "dogged"?i will assume your misinterpretation of that word made you lose sight of the context of the post and then i'd advice you read through it again and do the mature thing by apologising

I apologise...but will still say don't equate Yoruba believe system with christeo judaic folklore....its wrong to do that....a lot unknowingly do that in Yorubaland.

davidylan: why are you desperate to "free" your brothers? Dont they deserve the right to their own personal choices?

Not when their 'stupidity' jeopardises others.

MacDaddy01: Muslim brainwashing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg3m3t87-dk

I have watched this video befor and when I did I felt sorry for all black muslims in Africa specially in Yorubaland..I remembered someone who told me after taking time to explain the flaws and deceptions in Islam to a 11 year old muslim somewhere in Oyo, he said the brainwashed boy broke into tears crying in arabic 'blasphemy against the prophet'....he said if that happened in the north, he's done for.

Deep Sight: Please do not put the two bolded words in the same sentence again.

King of Mumu.....you think I didn't think about it before putting it there.....go through my older posts and ctrl+f several places where I said I'm only atheistic toward the three abrahamic faiths.

Delafruita: the fact that you dont believe in them tells me you dont know about them.like i said earlier,i try to be conversant with different religions and i have had the fortune of working on a contract with the NTDC which required visiting every potential tourist site in the southwest.i visited almost every shrine in the southwest and i can tell you there is compelling evidence for these gods.i must state that i am not a believer in them but the adherrents of those faiths are just as dogged in defending their gods as christians and muslims.
just take a visit to the palace of the ooni of ife,or the ataoja of osogbo or even the oba of lagos.its possible you might not be allowed access into some areas but fortunately for me and my team,our NTDC tags got us into almost every part of those palaces and what we saw was bewildering.some attribute it to blackmagic,some to demons or even lucifer.

Ogbeni pls kindly STFU. What do you mean by 'dogged in defending their gods' Are you normal? Were the Yoruba traditional practices responsible for the Inquisition in Britain? Did they go witch hunting to start killing women in Yorubaland back then. Pls don't mix your influenced christeo-judaic knowledge with our belief system in order to justify the validity of the Christian God (Yaweh) and Arab God (Allah).

I hate to hear words like lucifer, black magic and demons especially when used to define or identify our Yoruba deitues.....its erroneous. For instance most Yorubas of today believes that Eshu is the same as thing the Christian's Satan the Devil....it's NOT.

We don't defend our deities, like the Islamic fanatics do by killing for their blood thirsty Allah and also the fundamental christians in the past who condemned others as heathens and claimed their lands, steal their resources e.g. New World, Africa, Papua New Guinea, etc.....if you disbelieve in Shango and even go to the extent of defiling it by peeing on it.....no Shango priest or Shango adherent would yell 'blasphemy' or 'kai! Awusubishango' and kill you....shango will defend itself when charged to......so I ask you again what do you mean by 'dogged defending of their gods'?

MacDaddy01: Look, after having the same debate over 300 times, it gets boring. Creationism is not science. If there is an ultimate creator, who created him or her? Creationism leads back to the same question into an infinite regress.

What makes you presume these confused Nigerian religionists understand the meaning of 'creationism'?

A lot here are Quaran/Bible-believing slaves. Most here don't read any thing apart from Bible,Qran, Dean Koontz, Mills & Boon, etc .....all they do is watch AfricaMagic, MTV Base, MTN project fame, Superstory, Big Brother Africa, eat, fornicate, peddle gossip and go to church and mosque to exhibit what I consider as a twisted sense of self-righteousness, forgiveness of weekly misdeeds and sins and fashion/wealth show off.....bunch of hypocrites....they know they can't try all that with ascetic pagan belief system.

MacDaddy01: Fulfilled day is not = fulfilled life. That was a good sunday for me. I rather work than keep the sabbath day holy (giving tithes to frauds)

As for the schizoprenic part, tithe is 10% and not your full salary. Jesus said you should give all

SLAM DUNK!


Note that most Nigerian religionists don't understand what is meant by 'burden of proof'...anyway am feeling ya....just ride on.

@aleth
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I see your futile attempt to derail this topic by making a issue out of the £1,000 thing.

MacDaddy01: Unfortunately, humans are machines. Biological machines that can be programmed to vote against their own interest.


As for the truth, atheism states only one truth; there is no evidence for God.

My lifestyle is my lifestyle, it is subjective and in no way the "truth" niether a lie.

I very much understand that you are referring to The semitic God and as so would you as a African atheist also think African deities such as Shango or Ogun doesn't exist too. By existence I don't imply a sentient, conscious, tangible god/entity but by evidence of the supernatural effect that can be observed whenever they are applied or activated. For instance...if one swear an oath under Ayilala or Shopona or Ogun and later betrays the condition that binds such oath.....something inexplicable happen.

They just keep posting the same tired, easily disproved arguments
over and over again in spite of the fact that they have been soundly
refuted. Why is this so?

Bro! It's called dogmatism. It is so because their mind have been conditioned for a long time to accept the doctrines and dogmas of their monotheistic religions as the ONLY truth.

I always feel quite unhappy whenever my friends refer to Jesus or Allah in most day to day talks of life.... and in my mind I'm always like 'can't they realise they are black and not semites'

Cyrexx, you are on point.

I have been aware of their subtle tactics since like 16

Excellent analysis up there

Another tactics they use is Promise of Salvation....which is the reason why a lot of religionists do deeds that contradicts their religions and yet go back and pray for forgiveness....unlike our traditional belief systems where law of karma is instantaneous.

davidylan: and what is the difference? Why does the private practice of religion PARTICULARLY by christians whip you into a frenzy? Why arent you equally in a frenzy to convince Buddhists about the truth?

Because Buddhism isn't one of the predominant imported religions negatively affecting Nigeria

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The only truth is from Ifa. Paganism and Idolatory is not the same with Ifa.

In Yorubaland so many are lost and are loosing it everyday. Those that aren't are those that have somehow come to realise that ancestral practices and believes is the best.

Se rere, ma se ika, eni se rere ni awon irunmole mi agbe (do good, don't do evil...any who does good would always be in support/favour of the 'irunmoles')

Ile n'lati ke sho rode (charity begins at home)

Owo ti omode bakoko ri, akara ni o fi je...

We never needed any divinely revealed book to educate our fire fathers on principles, scruples, morality and ethics.

Hi dear atheist,

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I will recommend Mohitel though it's the most expensive of the three.

Mobitel is very fast by default while the other two offers a faster option which is determined by your quid.

Just curious....What PS3 titles do you have?

FXKing2012: Seriously, u are the lost sheep who needs to find his way to the true God. Until u admit that u dont have the spiritual understanding to interpret the Bible, u will always wallow in ignorance and dwell in darkness.

You have been brain washed. Are you a Jew? If you aren't stop eating amala and eba because all African foods are associated with a particular 'pagan' deity. You extol the deity of the Jew - God(Yaweh) while knowing none of your lands. What a shame and another sad case of a lost identity.

all4naija: So, you supported that video to be black magic? Jeez! Africans are getting more ignorant than I thought. There is a medical condition for that. It is not only in Africa it exist. It has happened in numbers of countries around the world.

Something of that nature occurs most in animals like dogs. In human it is called 'Penis captivus' and in woman 'Vaginismus'.

Forget about pen!s captivus and vaginismus...even despite they are reported as an extremely rare case.....solution is only by precise surgery....I received that video from one of them atheists I discuss the same day that incident occured...claiming the whole thing was premeditated....haba!......in that video no surgery was performed to free them.

What skeptics and atheists like James Randi doesn't realise is that so far the human body can be susceptible to any types of alterations no matter how impossible it is....either confirmed by science or not.....there has been and will always be a 'juju' to do it. This I know from my personal researches of oyinbo science and basis of Yoruba juju. Vaginismus is extremely rare yet possible....okay no wahala.....there are variois types of juju called ma-gun(don't penetrate) that will activate the clamping of the vagina(Vaginismus) to hold the pen!s (pen!s captivus) to show evidence of adultery.....Christian marriage can't give you such security.

logicboy01: You must be joking.

Okay let's say I might be wrong...pls clarify me regarding how atheism is synonymous with agnostism.

Concerning the topic

First of all...

Confessing that you are now drifting towards agnosticsm...which is basically means one that doesn't disbelieve nor believes.....shows that you weren't even an atheist from the on start....you just did more of logical thinking like me.....even I who is neo-paganic henotheist deist is even more atheistic than you are....since my atheism is towards the 2 of the 3 abrahamic religions affecting our thinking here in the land of the non-white skin. I didn't want to say Africa...because they gave it to us...I don't want to use Nigeria or Black skin because they made us accept it....I am firstly de-conditioning myself from mental slavery. Point is...just like Pagan9ja keep saying....we all need to first of all redefine our identity before you or me should even start debating about the meaning of theism or differences between gnosticsm, agnosticsm and atheism...because they all are oyinbo people concept...

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I tried to finish Erich Von Daniken's book titled 'Gold of The Gods'. Thing is this writer proffered brilliant speculations as to the origin of hunanoid citing various buried evidence of alien contact on earth...but Daniken was and is still considered 'fringe' among mainstream scientific thoughts. I am bewildered as to why movie makers accepted Ridley Scott's to manifest this so regarded 'fringe' author inspired idea to a movie. Na wa o!

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I tried to finish Erich Von Daniken's book titled 'Gold of The Gods'. Thing is this writer proffered brilliant speculations as to the origin of hunanoid citing various buried evidence of alien contact on earth...but Daniken was and is still considered 'fringe' among mainstream scientific thoughts. I am bewildered as to why movie makers accepted Ridley Scott's to manifest this so regarded 'fringe' author inspired idea to a movie. Na wa o!

logicboy: Nah, it wont move atheists to believe in God. I'm still an atheist.


Every atheist is an agnostic in a sense that you cant disprove God's existence in the same way you cant disprove the boogeyman 100%

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No you are wrong...agnosticism is completely far fin atheism

logicboy: Nah, it wont move atheists to believe in God. I'm still an atheist.


Every atheist is an agnostic in a sense that you cant disprove God's existence in the same way you cant disprove the boogeyman 100%

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No you are wrong...agnosticism is completely far fin atheism

mimibets: Many laws in the bible were enforced at the time that particular book was written,some laws of the old testament were not applicable in the new testament,same way some laws aren't applicable now. Lot of people ask why there is so much suffering in the world when there is God,there are may reasons for this.One reason is that God is not the ruler of this world,He might have created it but the devil rules the world,how would he have offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world if he did not own them? Secondly,the devil has deceived people and turned them from God.People are aware of God's existence but still don't acknowledge Him,He won't force u coz He gives us free will.A barber when asked why God does not do anything about suffering likened it to people walking about with bushy hair even when he declared free hair cuts,not because they don't know the way to his shop but because they have refused to have a hair cut.Same way people die from curable diseases when they could have reached out to a knowledgable person or a doctor.

Do you know if you were born an Indian...you won't be saying those crap you wrote up there. If those laws were enforced then, what need is of it been in the bible. Probably the writers thought every readers would abide by them given to the fear factor they inspire.

You said 'God isn't the ruler of this world' My question is - Who is the ruler?, Must there be a ruler in the first place? Why should your God created this world only to be ruled by his 'adversary'? Nonsense again...Don't your God have the power to eliminate any unfavourable ruler even if he's busy somewhere creating other worlds?

If you really think your God created the earth for satan the Devil to manage/control....leaving humans with the 'free will' to decide.... Then you like every other theists are fans of nonsense.

So lion too has the free will to feed or not on a gazelle, what has the innocent gazelle done? If a python swallows an toddler/infant who crawled away from a cradle while mother was plucking wool...would such incident be blamed on Devil? Afterall isn't it your God that created all creature...think deeeep think logically....there is no God (YAWEH or Allah) anywhere.

I personally am a Neo-paganic Henodeist. So I believe in certain deities who never asks anyone to kill in their behalf or to prove their existence like the images you have below:

mimibets: U can't disprove God,His is not a scientific hypothesis.My life speaks of His existence.In as much as i'll love to continue this discussion,i have to go coz i have an assessment tomorrow.

Richard Dawkins have diss-proved everything about the existence of your God. Dare to read The God Delusion?

Kobojunkie: Then you are not to discuss this topic at all, as it seems you do not understand any of what has been posted so far. If you want to 'dis-amalgamate', and go swear to wooden gods, you are free, as an individual to do just that.

The same wooden gods your fore-fathers believed in....are you implying they are wrong....do you know the origin meaning of Wednesday that your anniversary is scheduled on?

I think I have theory of how certain Yoruba jujus work. Science and technology can only aid it. Every thing in this world from Rick Ross' Maybachs to Bills Gate's shoes is made from natural process. Juju deals with natural matter by effecting the expected result from the proper combination of the appropriate logicums. I am not at all deep in Juju knowledge as it is difficult to garner infos from the Babalawos for the sake of research but the extremely few I have confirmed is enough to give me an inkling as to how and why Juju ought to work and or fail. I will not say more than this for now.

I think I have theory of how certain Yoruba jujus work.

oyinbogirl: Someone told me about black magic (juju)....and that it is real and true and can wound ppl big time. I even heard some can die. Can someone shed some light on this, share ur experiences or watever ... serious replies only. if u cant contribute meaningfully just pass by. Thanks

Oyinbogirl .... Juju is what the practitioners of Ifa calls Ishegun (craft of ishegun) it is a branch of Ifa that strictly deals with magic (supernatural) and not magic (stage tricks and criss angel typos). Juju is the opposite of Ifa in the sense that Ifa requires and demands patience (suru) to achieve permanent result, while juju in the other hand is instantaneous result. Let me give you an instance Ifa may reveal that danger lurks ahead in the future and by doing certain things that danger will either be ameliorated or averted such as car accident perhaps warning not to even travel....on the other hand what ishegun does is it's 'teleports' you away from the spot of that accident to a safer place. I am working on a lengthy write up as to document and classify types of ogun/juju of the Yorubas which is mostly levied on atheists. Most Nigerians don't do research and have a poor power of analysis...contrary to popular belief Ishegun/juju is bivalent...it can be used for either good of bad. Mobile phones have been used to remotely to detonate bombs does that make your GSM phone evil. Our cell phones too can be said to be juju because if you can time travel with one to like 12 century England...it would look juju like to them given their level of underst!ding so I say all juju real or not, tested or not are all form of an advanced unempirical science.

all4naija: When, has voodoo been a real phenomenon? It is trick. Haven't you seen the documentary done on voodoo by National Geographic? Please, spare us all these trick talks! It is full of tricks!

Dude forget voodoo, Voodoo is a compound of African religion taken abroad by various African slaves. What you ans most here means is Hoodoo which is infact a tone down version of the real stuff here in the lands of the blacks.

Juju isn't the in the same category with ticks and illusions used for entertainment in America o and Europe. Juju like I have tried to explain to atheists is real supernatural effect beyond current scientific scope.

[quote author=Mr..Cork]Juju aint real. Its just a bunch of bull to scare people. the truth those who use it suffer from mental disorder [/quote]Is gun real? Yeah sure it is....wouldn't you feel scared when one is pointed at you? Point is it's good for you not to be scared of something that isn't real to you....which still doesn't make it unreal! Everyone who think or knows it's real can't be all delusional.....go do your research.....I have done mine and still doing.

redcliff: How then do u explain an aeroplane in d air if it does not beat the law of nature?

Haba! Science dude, science!

Upthrust, angle of attack, drag force, go read about aeronautics and aerodynamics.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI]I already corrected it, woman.

Check the posts after that.

Every culture has a conceptualized Adam/Eve.

I asked you to bring forth your Source about Saudia Arabia and Yoruba correlation. Where is it?[/quote]Why should I bring forth something I never agreed to, you don't get my point - I am of the opinion that the Yorubas were descendants of the Yoruba deities. Odua been the most prominent.