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Guys please can anyone of you advise me on which of the Nigerian banks' card can be best used to register paypal so as to be linked with an ebay accoount. I have done this trick before but doesn't work again. I requested a visa naira debit card from ICB in 2010 and used it to register a paypal account and because I was aware paypal doesn't accept Nigeria among their list of supported countries I made sure the form I filled when obtaining the visa card bears a genuine UK address (billing) while the post address was Nigeria hoping that should trick paypal card processor into reading the ICB visa card originating from UK provided that bank personnel actually input what I filled on the form and to my surprise it worked. It has since expired and have tried several ways to have my new paypal account to be linked with a Nigerian card so as to be able to purchase from eBay and other sites that accept strictly PayPal. I like PayPal because it's easy, fast and safe and doesn't require one to reveal all financial detail inside one's card when paying online but the saddest thing is Nigeria has long been removed from their services which I know is due to the prolonged abuses perpetrated by the menace; 'yawu yawu' boys in various scams and misuses. Now I still know If I open a paypal account using a consenting friend's/family member address in the UK or USA, I still can't use it unless I link it with an account (bank account or a credit/debit card) just to be verified and also to be able to transact with it. My question again is: Which of the present banks in Nigeria can best aid me to achieve this? Just like I once did. I have heard so many about GTBank mastercard, infact I recently helped a friend to pay for a foreign school fees form in Canada using her GTB Mastercard since she didn't know how to go about it and she later confirmed it worked because an amount deducted was emailed to her. But I am still not sure if GTBank MC would work for paypal using the trick explained above. This is even my first time of hearing about Zenith's websurfer and I'd like to know if it's a card or just an online service from them? And might it work for Paypal too? Any suggestion is gladly welcomed.

This crazy!!! I can understand that any can represent for northern state since they don't participate in MBGN pageants, but what I don't understand is why would Igbo ladies represent for Yoruba states. It shows that this MBGN thing is one sided and not collectively done with all consent sought. Imagine all the pretty ladies in Lagos, and given all the beautiful ladies I suppose would show up and the best they could select is that anorexic looking Chinaka Olorunsola Nkechi. Who ever MBGN organizers are, they've got good eyes.

mazaje: Is the author riling against science or atheism? Religion is based SOLELY o mythology, superstition and fantasies. . .No god has ever been shown to exist on its own independent of human writings,special pleadings, societal acceptance and human cultural way of life. . . .All gods are purely a human constructs and every religion is a culture end of story. . .

Does your assertion includes Yoruba deities?

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This Land Is Not For Sale

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Reading everyone's comments from page 1, I realize that you all don't know that whenever a stereotypical view/facts about something is true then it becomes IDIOSYNCRASY. Sort of like the opposite of stereotyping. For instance it's idiosyncratic for Yorubas to waste foods at their parties, it's idiosyncratic that most Hausa/Fulani are muslims, contrary to popular belief/misconceptions Ijebus are not parsimonious but idiosyncratically self-frugal and prudent in spending, Igbos are money conscious isn't an assumption borne out of stereotypical view, that fact is idiosyncratic to them (not all, but most, like 95% IMHO)

[size=20pt]@Mrs. Chima[/size]
You are an intelligent person who shouldn't be responding to every half-baked, half-thought statements of certain commenters here. Just ignore them.

buzugee:
how did the manuscripts get into the white mans hands ? when the greeks invaded palestine they stole it (an act of GOD) as the israelites were off worshipping false Gods (shango oya obatala). from the greeks it went to the romans and from the romans it was compiled into the bible. the romans kicked us out of palestine in 70 AD into west and south africa and then the roman empire fell and the edomites took control of the world and then came to were we were kicked to in africa with the bible to give us what we were supposed to be doing in the first place and the reason we fell (you starting to see that God has a sense of humor ? albeit mixing it with a bit of pain ? ) . then we got the bible, still decided to worship sango, so the deuteronomy curses kicked in and the white man came in and took us off to slavery in america and all over the world while enforcing colonialism on us and unfair trade and subjugation. are you starting to see that while the white man is satan, he is the tool being used by GOD against us. he is the whipping stick of God. God uses the white man to teach us a lesson. what is your job ? get back to God and not follow the doctrines of the white man (atheism, paganism and all this foolishness. ). yall better get it right with God because when he returns and you still havent gotten it right, you will be put to the sword. you have been warned. Our lord works in mysterious ways. you can see from the trail i have created how he follows us everywhere with a whipping stick and the word. even in slavery he made sure the slave masters made the bible available to the slaves to wake them up as to why they were in that predicament.

All what you said is total B.S., I think you read another universe version of our history, go back to your universe if you are lost here.

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@JayOriginal

What do you mean by others have caught on?

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@Jayoriginal

Since you are not into any religion, which are you?

atheist, freethinker, secular, none??

[quote author=aloy/emeka link=topic=769997.msg9462754#msg9462754 date=1320196161]Do you have proof that Oduduwa fell from heaven?  [/quote]Heaven isn't a Yoruba concept nor word, Oduduwa is exclusive to the Yoruba people, It's preposterous to use foreign language to define or qualify certain Yoruba words just as you can simply use 'energy of life' to define the Chinese concept og 'chi', its deeper than that. Oduduwa never fell from the Semitic Jewish Abrahamic Christian Judawo word called 'heaven'. 'Oduwa ate won ro', Oduwa, it that descended with a chain. (succinct), from where, consult IFA. Aloy/Emeka you don't know anything apart from the rubbish you heard from those who love to trivialize anything that has to do with Yoruba cosmogony. If you really want to know, you have to sieve truths and fact from lies and popular beliefs, pay a visit to a GENUINE babalawo and inquire

PointB:
@topic
We'll be happy to let you go and determine your future.

Who need your permission, talking as if, you are the british that amalgamated the incompatible tribes together to form Nigeria

OLAADEGBU:
In his frustration, he even invoked the name of the deity in which he does not believe, resorting to a helpless: ‘Oh God.’

He didn't mean it, so does those that have known that the Yoruba Eshu is completely different from the christian's satan the devil and who still says 'ani ri e eshu' mean it?

Another instance -

What about does p0rn0graphy ladies that moan from climax or ecstasy and continuously yell "oh! my God" , do they mean it? Ofcourse not

There are certain words that mave mastered our tonugue, but I for one always caution my self not to mention in vain or anyhow the Christian God(i.e. Jew Jeovah), Islamic Allah(Arabs) and the Yoruba Olorun(wrong) Olodumare(correct).

Check out these pictures by atheists:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=865594.msg10225195#msg10225195

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=864678.msg10225397#msg10225397

@Pagan 9JA
I will get back to you later as I still disagree with you on that respect, I am tired for now, need to take a break, but let me just quickly say - I never implied everyone else copied directly from the Yorubas' IFA thingy, I personally conducted some researches and from the hues of similarities I observed, I therefore concluded that others (i.e. the Greeks myths, Roman myths, Assyrian myths, Egyptian myths, Norse Myths etc) transposed it from ours i.e. IFA(Yoruba), AFA(Igbo) ?(Hausa). If a Norse man or a modern day viking sage in Sweden, Norway or Denmark is asked to demonstrate the effect of their Thor (God of Thunder), I doubt he/she can. But here in western Nigeria, there are masters of Shango sciences and power. I hope you get why I use "compare and contrast" as a tool to evaluate and know who were the original custodian of this myths, ours aren't even mythology rather real because not only can be proven but also channeled for every day life. Be it good or bad.

buzugee:
you obviously are not enlightened enough to use proper grammer. you illiterate knuckle dragging atheist

Now, you have just confirmed to me that you are indeed [size=34pt]CONFUSED[/size], buzugee it's a normal thing for any body who believe in fairy tales and since there are so many like you in the world, please don't feel bad about it because you are not alone. If you read my previous last last post you will understand that I am not an atheists as you've falsely presumed, though I use most of their views to debunk the two most evil religions of the world, Since you quoted some gibberish about a language which isn't yours, I tend to assume you are into Judaism, am I right? And lastly, I don't have time to return your insults, though I love insult and find them assuming coming from a black man who thinks himself a gentile just are like many Nigerians who don't like to read anything apart from the The Holy Confusion, and romantic novels and whatever the need to pass their exams, then kindly take time to look at the pictures here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=865594.msg10225195#msg10225195 and https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=869536.msg10224708#msg10224708

I will post more picture later, good night

Happy viewing!!!!

buzugee, try reading any of the books below if you're still confused, try setting your mind free, many of your confused questions are answered there

buzugee:
thats the problem. you are not enlightened enough to see that i am not promoting any religion. i dont follow islam or christianity and neither do i or have i lived in agege. i just like the way agege sounds . i am promoting a lifestyle governed by the laws statutes and commandments of Yahawah ba ha sham yahawashi. the merciful. the lord did not give us religion. man gave us religion. the lord gave us laws statutes and commandments. the bible is a history book as well as a guide and not a religious book. get it right fool before i crash all over you like white on rice

I am enlighten enough to have used the word 'presume' and since you have showed how stup!d you are not to know the meaning of presume, let me enlighten you on the meaning of 'presume' - "t[i]o accept that something is almost certain to be correct even though there is no proof of it, on the grounds that it is extremely likely[/i]".

buzugee:
when you failed as a people, the lord elevated the heathen nations above you. salvation came to the gentiles because of our fall. romans 11 vs 11. the lord basically handed the rulership of the world away from the israelites (thats us black shemetic people) to the heathen nations for a period known as the reign of the gentiles.

By 'people' you are referring to those of us who to you are heathens, and that a lord of a fictional book which no one has ever set eyes on before elevated the heathens of other nations above the heathens here. Can't you see the illogic in your statement? Are you implying the holy bible prefers/accept some heathens over other type of heathens?

YOU ARE JUST AS CONFUSED AS THE HOLY CONFUSION YOU KEEP QUOTING FROM

buzugee:
RANTS

From your statement I presume you are a christian who lives in Agege, why do you still eat heathen foods like Fufu, Amala, Eba, Iyan, Afang, Edikayinkan, why don't you go to Israel and live not like a gentile. The mistake you all make is that you think arabs,  white christians and jews will tolerate you because you practice their religion. You're seriously mistaken. You are an hypocrite and a lost black soul.

so many reason religion should be abolished in nigeria

[size=38pt]THE TWO ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS SHOULD BE ABOLISHED[/size]


A commenter said: "also d issue of men physically assaulting his wife should be eliminated and finally blaming d victim of violation on d type of clothes she wears"

I say:

In true Yoruba traditional setting, it's wrong for a lady to dress provocatively, but because of christianity and the so called 'ilaju' we have all sorts of rubbish from some of our females. I am not in support of those male that beat up females who dress indecently, those kind of men are perverts who can control themselves.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-769997.0.html#msg9233689

Koolking:
There is this fetish culture in Lagos (I don't know what they call it) that forbids movement of people (people keep indoors) whenever their activities are on.

This also happens even in the heart of Lagos (Ikeja). Lagos as a megacity should do away with such culture.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-769997.0.html#msg9233689

Organized religion is the basis of war-mongering and enslavement of the mind and body. Imagine this:

Jakumo:
Doubting Thomases always require pictures before they accept reality, so here is a Wonder Snake recently captured by my intrepid assistants deep in a swamp near Warri, Nigeria.   The serpent was later slaughtered and eaten by me and my crew, in order that we may all acquire its magical [b]juju[/b]motive powers.

Are you implying juju aka YAS is a ruse?

Religionists are funny and ridiculous, imagine the The Holy Confusion claiming the earth is 6,000 years and evolutionists are asserting its 4.54billion years old.

Martian:
My point is too much religion and an over dependence on god and his "spokesmen" can render people docile and accepting of mediocrity. Why do you think corrupt political leaders patronise religious leaders?
Britain and France didn't pray their ways out of misery either. By the way, when is your next revival? You know you need to pray for that breakthrough and you also need to bind the demons of atheism.

Perfect!!! but I assume you're an atheist. Are you?

Rossikk:
SNCOQ SAID

Only a colonised BAST.ARD with a dead brain will dare describe the ancestral sprits as 'demons'. If that is the rubbish they teach you in your churches, I say BURN DOWN THE CHURCHES.

Yeah, only a colonized black African (Christian and Muslim converts) will accept whatever wording the white man use in defining his/her father's cultures or ways. They came and when they saw certain folks spilling the blood of a cockerel into what to them seem like a carving…without even bothering themselves to ask or inquire why and how, they just call the former idol and the latter ritual and the religion animism. In pre-colonial times, the missionaries never studied the Yoruba deities, in conclusion they just condemned them all as agents of what they call ‘devil’. Now today, a Nigerian medical student who have read any of their history books in secondary schools where our past are condemned, whose pastors have preached against idols and pagan practices would believe that his great grandfather was truly a pagan because they worshiped idols but wouldn’t think to criticize why western medics accepted The rod of Asclepius into the Star of Life symbol used by paramedics, ambulances worldwide. Why does the shrine of St. Jude exist? A educated Yoruba man would voraciously condemned Shango as a demon or at least as lesser god when compared to his mighty God(Yaweh/Jeovah) but sees nothing wrong placing an anniversary on a Monday (day of moon worship), feels indifferent if his daughter observes zodiac signs and meanings or his son reading Thor comics (Thor's name is the origin of the name Thursday - Norwegian god of thunder) comics. I conducted a survey and 85% of male youths (mostly my peers) who love the popular game ‘God of War’, but  wouldn't buy an adventure game if it was titled ‘Wraths of Ogun’ or 'Anger of Shango'. So I think what our people need is re-enlightenment and not the burning of churches and mosques. Our people need to know that ‘Jesus’ was the name of the first ship that carted blacks as slaves away to the New World and how the Jews played a prominent role as active sponsors in the nefarious trade, which begs the question-Why are they (Yoruba christian and muslim converts) into a religion that is centered on a particular figure whose people (the Jews) today, are not even into? A letter quoting sections in the Bible that supported the enslavement of blacks for the torturous work in the New World was written by Bishop Bartolomé de las Casas to a Pope who signed it.  In a book I am still writing titled: “Why I Am Not Yet an Atheist”; I argued that since the idol in “idol-worshipping” is viewed as any man-made object that one does not only venerate, but can shed blood on top which includes either dying for and killing for, whether human or animal, if so…then why is that religious fanatics/extremists/fundamentalists always feel the need to defend their God(Yaweh/Allah) whenever their holy books, crucifix, tesibiu, rosary, etc is desecrated unintentionally or not by killing the offenders/violators? They’d say their God commanded so, hang the heathens, burn the infidels just like the Europeans did to the indigenous Indians before usurping their lands and resources which the black slaves from Africa worked and ploughed, imagine the scores of people that lost their life up north in Nigeria because of some cartoon drawings of the Prophet Mohammed in Denmark, You and I know those Hausa/Fulani islamists that committed those bloodlettings knew not which part in Europe Denmark is located and yet, the felt the urge to take the life of any who is a christian or perceived as an infidel so far he/she doesn’t speak hausa which is 80% arabic. Another incidence is the case of Gideon Akaluka who was beheaded all because of an allegation that a page in the Quran was torn to and used as a toilet paper, there are countless cases like that here in Nigeria, mostly in the northern parts, one of the most heinous is the suppressed report of a Yoruba female invigilator (Mrs Oluwatoyin Oluwasesin) whose thrio was cut off in broad day light by pupil(s) whose crime was seizing the Holy Quran the pupil used in cheating during an IRK (Islamic religion knowledge) exam. It’s a fact that the christian crusaders did far worst during the days of their bloody campaigns. Now let us compare and contrasts those who have and still kills on behalf of the sanctified object attributed to their God's (Allah/Jeovah) with any who persons who is still yet to spits, or excretes on, or scatters the ‘ojubo’ of Ogun or (provided it’s has been configured/coded to react on its own behalf), no Ogun adherent would yell “blasphemy! Kill the Ogun violator” and yet the Ogun would react with such mean aggression as to defend itself. So why can't they leave their Allah or Jeovah God to defend himself with you doing killing a human you claimed your God made? So who's the real idol worshiper? I have reached a junction where Atheist vehemently disagrees with me in their forums, Since atheist’s sole weapon is science and technology, they find it extremely difficult to accept certain supernatural feat that can be done with the aid of what introduce to them as YAS (Yoruba Advanced Science) i.e. what we Yoruba call ogun (pronounced differently from Ogun the deity of Iron and War), In local parlances some may call it jaz, kurube, otumokpo and so on. For instance I once told a group of atheist that science says whatever goes up must always come down due to gravity but with the aid of YAS (ogun) it’s possible to effect an object such as clothes or bottle to remain suspended in thin air after been thrown up, they laughed at me saying it’s a magic trick and not a supernatural one (Atheists basically don’t accept anything that claims to be supernatural because of the so many supernaturality in the Christian Bible and Muslim Quran which they constantly debunk intelligently), when I made the mistake to further tell them about the possibility of how a human body can be made impervious to machete cuts or repel a bullet, they responded that not only was I delusional but that I was also trying to scam them in into something bizarre and senseless which I never did, they forgot the argument stemmed from my believe in the existence and efficacy of the supernatural which they strongly opposed, atheist believes nothing is supernatural and that, whatever may seem to be supernatural will one day be explainable/understandable by science and or therefore be replicated with technology and that because I couldn't provide visual evidence online or on youtube regarding my supernatural claims, therefore I should visit a psychiatrist. Here in Lagos, many who might not have been chanced to witness it must have heard numerous reports about certain characters who were shot with gun or cut with machetes and what was expected to happen didn't, these and several other supernatural incidents and tellings was what drove me to conduct personal investigation on said supernaturalism, and I hereby declare - though as they truly exist and work, it’s not easy to come across an AUTHENTIC onisegun/babalawo - I call them GYASP (Genuine Yoruba Advanced Science Practitioner). I also elaborated in my write-up book that despite the arcane knowledge of IFA and its ishegun sciences we never came up with any war-mongering motive to conquer the world or extend an empire like many imperialists/warlord had attempted but failed e.g. Alexander The Great, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler etc.  I also made a detailed explanation as to why the James Randi challenge can never be won even when we (pagans, heathens, infidels, idol worshipers, etc) prove to the organization by demonstrating via the usage of YAS – real vanishing act, causing rain to fall or halting a falling one, perhaps demonstrating to them what they termed to mean 'teleportation' which even their wave/particle duality Physics/science only achieves them in theory and not practical. I have a lot to say but I am tired for now, all I know is that if the Arabs and the whites hadn’t brought their problem to us by disrupting our near-utopian societies for 4 centuries, hadn’t devastated us with slavery and colonialism for four century, and now neo-colonialism and worst of it all…their proselytizing religions (semitic faith), we the Yorubas (original source of all knowledge, philosophy and science) would have evolve our ishegun/ogun into a perfected state but I personally think we can still study, organised and packaged them in such a way it won't connote evil as they have led us to believe, but that can only be achievable only if we willingly drop Christianity and Islam just as many Americans and Britains are doing while embracing their science and technology and we use/buy/rely on their science and technology products, we must unite ourselves as one black race having our own unique respective identities and if other black African feels otherwise then I urge any reasonable Yoruba not to see our traditional ways as devilry but as ‘check and balances’ that our fore-fathers once used to govern themselves, I know two people that a malfunctioning refrigerator killed, should we stop buying them? Airplanes do fall from the sky, should we stop boarding them, a motor car can be use for a good purpose and also for an evil purpose, should we stop using automobiles? If your answer is NO, then see IFA and ogun(YAS) as such, there are tools to be used for either good or bad. If a farmer used a cutlass to kill a dangerous snake that might have hurt his son who assist him in farming, you'd say it's a good thing to do, but if that same cutlass was used by another person to commit murder, now that's an evil thing and you'd blame the murderer and not the cutlass, so does how ‘aluwo’ is; it can be used for self-defense and also to cause harm. ‘Madarikan’ is applied to ward evil/misfortune away but the proviso is whenever boons comes your way it get warded off, ‘Kanoko’ shortens long distance (5hours to 30 minutes) but the consequence is, it user must walk the uncovered distance in the dream state thus rendering the user weak and exasperated. The price to pay for riding a car that will cover 10km instead of walking is the money to buy fuel which one still has to work for in other to earn. There's always a price to pay except for some certain YAS that is nearing perfection due to it less or no consequence e.g. egbe (teleportation). I documented various types of YAS in my write-up elaborating their specific function and condition. I have and still do personal studies about anything Yoruba sciences and technology, culture and traditions; it’s painful and time-consuming. Adam

http://www.thenigerianvoice.com/nvnews/22866/1/they-cut-my-wife-into-pieces-and-set-her-on-fire.html

@SNC0Q3 and Yujin
Not too recently in January this year, Boko haram in their *now uncountable* killings of both innocent Igbos and Yoruba muslims and christans up north, they stormed Deeper Life and RCCG churches in Gombe and Adamawa shot more than 26 people while there worshiping, it was on radio, tv and newspapers. Why didn't your almighty Jeovah God alerted those innocent that died that the Boko harams were coming, or at least warned the pastors/reverend? In Yoruba Advanced Sciences aka ogun/jaz, there's what is call 'ifura' where if danger is approaching it will sense it and make a section of your body palpitate as a warning. I usually ask my chrisitian friends that why is it that in Europe and America we don't hear of pastors and reverend who performs miracles using Jesus power (except for the ones that have been proven to be falsehood by atheists, religious critics and skeptics like Peter Popof, etc) but here in Nigeria, we hear of several clergy men who heal and perform miracles in christian churches? As far as I am concern any clergyman here in Nigeria who does any supernatural feat claiming to be from Jeovah God is an hypocrites who realize no one would turn up at his/her church if he/she admits/acknowledges the original source of his power which is either two things 1. From a competent Babalawo maybe in his/her family or somewhere in a remote village   [b]2. [/b]Inherent supernatural powers genetically gotten somewhere in his/her lineage e.g. Rev. Moon, T.B. Joshua and as for Chris Oyakilome and Helen Ukpaibo, they are not different to the cultural killers known as Mount Zion who produce movies that kills Yoruba traditions and values by demonizing and twisting it to confer occultic and devil worshiping. Is the present retrogressive state of Nigeria caused by our ancestral deities? Is it not in the name of Jeovah God and Allah evil people in the Nigerian government used to swear on before assuming office? Will you tell me that if you swore by Shango or Amadioha not to embezzle or misappropriate public funds, you will go scott fee because nothing will happen to you because you think it's like your semitic Gods? We don't even need anyone to believe in our Yoruba deities, just give it a try by making a oath over it and go ahead to steal our money.  Look at the horrible roads in most parts of Nigeria and especially Lagos, no basic amenities and social infrastructures everywhere, oh! it's Eshu  and Shango's fault, abi?. Check this out: http://economicconfidential.net/new/features/348-a-democracy-of-profligacy-and-outright-treasury-looting and http://www.elombah.com/news/node/3824

@Martian
Religion as an organized institution is not only the opium of the masses, also "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful" ~Edward Gibbon

@Ptolomeus
Polytheism, monotheism or any type of theism still remain as a concept of the white people, to fit ours into any of the theism spectrum is difficult but I strongly think IFA to some extent can be viewed in 'terms of structure' with Henotheism regarding the deities or 401 IRUNMOLES OR ORISHAS.

@ Goddys

Wow! I love your fictional story, I know of a producer that can organize how to shoot a nice movie out of it, please forward my suggestion to your head pastor at The Lord Chosen. I would start developing a script on it. I also would like to know which of the following titleS would best fit the movie:

1. Ogboni vs The Lord Chosen
2. Goddy The Story Teller
3. How The Lord Choseth His Saviour

Um! before I forget, should it have a part 2??

PAGAN 9JA, I KIND OF I DISAGREE WITH YOUR THEORY BECAUSE I HAVE A REASON TO THINK all Pagan religions NEVER came around the same time when man came/evolved into his current form., IT WILL BE TOO HARD AND VOLUMINOUS TO START EXPLAINING MY THEORY HERE, BUT SINCE I SUPPOSE YOU HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT IFA IS, WHY DON'T YOU SEND ME AN EMAIL WITH YOUR NUMBER TO ghostsofsparta@live.com, I WANT TO EXPLAIN THE ASPECT THAT ALL OF THEM PLAGIARIZED IT FROM THE ANCIENT YORUBA PEOPLE BEFORE IT WAS TRANSPOSED TO THE NAMES WE NOW READ IN BOOKS HISTORY RECORDED TODAY, WHAT I AM POINTING AT TOOK A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, IT WASN'T A DIRECT THING AS YOU THOUGHT I MEAN. IF YOU AGREE ON MY THEORY THEN I WILL TRY TO SUMMARIZE IT HERE FOR OTHERS TO READ.

[quote author=PAGAN  9JA link=topic=864678.msg10216330#msg10216330 date=1329485051]there is no such thing as black God. YOU LIE. I am NOT black. i am just dark brown. A[/quote]PERFECT.

PAGAN 9JA HAVE YOU COME ACROSS THE AFROCENTRIC BIBLE BEFORE WHERE IN ITS PREFACE AND INTRODUCTORY PAGES THE AUTHOR
EXPLAINED AND ANALYSED THAT EVERY THING IN THE BIBLE ACTUALLY TRANSPIRED IN ANCIENT AFRICA AND THAT THE EUROPEANS COLLUDED WITH THE CERTAIN JEWS TO CHANGE THE WHOLE THING TO FIT THEIR CURRENT BIBLE. I THINK IT WAS WRITTEN BY AN AFRICAN AMERICAN WHO I THINK NEVER KNEW ABOUT CERTAIN INFORMATION (ORIGIN OF CHRISTIANITY) THAT SHOULD HAVE DEFEATED HIS THEORIES, TALKING ABOUT BLACK JESUS AND BLACK MADONA, BLACK MOSES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH IS ALL B.S. TO ME

blackcat1:
@ pagan, by black God I meant our ancestral God or gods as some would say. Would it help if I had said dark brown God?

You would still be wrong if you had said dark brown God, because no one knows the complexion of deities or God(Yaweh) if you prefer, Only the members of the two most organised religions i.e. christians and muslim believes their God(Yaweh) has pe.nis since the their Holy Books, sorry Holy Confusion states so, as written by the so called inspired writers as if they saw it and actually spoke to him. Their religion is sexist. Ours is not even a religion to start with, Oshun, Yemoja, Oya, Orsha Ibeji and other female divinities of the Yoruba pantheon are representation of a personified understanding of certain supernatural sciences given through IFA for the comprehension, application and usage of those individuals who aura are in line or attributed to that particular divinity,  For instance, with the aid of IFA our pre-ancient Yourba ancestors mastered the atmosphere so they understand why Ogun and Shango is a personification of anything that has to do with justice or retribution and with the aid certain esoteric knowledge from IFA they knew what and what to do to induce rainfall or stop rain, or invoke thunders in a particular situation to solve certain issue. And ofcourse I don't agree that our divinities aka deities aka IRUNMOLE aka ORISHAS are idols. That's totally ridiculous. Any one who disagree should tell me why they must be regarded as idols and I will prove it outrightly.

From OP

"There is hardly anyone around these days to speak up for tradition"

I DO SPEAK VEHEMENTLY IN SUPPORT OF OUR TRADITIONS, ANCIENT PAST AND DEITIES (IFA), AND THERE'S HAS BEEN NO ONE THAT CAN WIN ME IN MY ARGUMENT. YOU SEE, WHAT BLACK CHRISTIAN/MUSLIMS CONVERTS DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT, THEY FAIL WOEFULLY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE MEAN BY ORISHAS AND IRUNMOLE, THEY READILY DENIGRATE AND QUICK TO DEMONISE OUR (YORUBA) GODS/DEITIES WHICH ARE EVEN POTENT THAN THE ONES IN THE ORIENTS AND ELSEWHERE. I HAVE CONDUCT PERSONAL RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS AS TO HOW OUR ANCESTORS CAME ABOUT POLYTHEISM. I HAVE ARGUED AND ARGUED WITH NUMEROUS PEOPLE HERE IN NIGERIA ABOUT THIS TOUCHY TOPIC, IN WHICH WHEN THEY REALIZE THE PERSPECTIVE I AM APPLYING TO CONFUTE THEIR CLAIMS THUS THE TWO REACTION THEY THROW NEXT AT ME IS DOGMATICISM AND OR APPEALING TO THE PRESENT CONSENSUS TO SHUT ME UP WHICH I SEE AS A VERBAL MOB-ATTACK.  IN MY PERSONAL UNDERTAKING AND RESEARCHES OF OURS AND THE WHITES, I HAVE COME TO DEDUCE THAT EVEN OURS (YORUBA) INSPIRED THE GREEK AND ROMAN PANTHEON, HOW? I MAY EXPLAIN LATER, IT'S BECAUSE OUR SO CALLED CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM PEEPS (BLACK CONVERTS) WHO NEVER TOOK TIME TO TEMPORARILY ADOPT A FLEXIBLE MIND TO DIG DEEP BOTH INTELLECTUALLY AND ANALYTICALLY  AS TO HOW AND WHY OUR FORE FATHERS ARE POLYTHEIST, THEY WEREN'T ST.UPID.

FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE SO MANY MISCONCEPTIONS AND ERRORS, ONE OF THE MISTAKE IS THAT WE OUGHTN'T HAVE ALLOWED THESE WHITES TO LABEL OUR THING FOR US JUST LIKE BRUCE LEE AND CERTAIN ASIANS NEVER ALLOWED THE WHITES TO PIN A NAME TO THEIR WAYS,

FOR INSTANCE:
white man:      oh! from what i see here, this is martial art
orient man:      no! this is kung-fu

another instance
white man:    wow! this matial art are cool and wonderfool.
orient man:   no! no! this is Aikido and that's Karate

another instance
white man:    Really! I think this particular martial art is the coolest
orient man:   No! No! No! this one is Jujitsu and that one is Tai-Chi and they have several branches

Finally:
white man:       Okay, I give up, I guess I have to categorize them all under martial arts
oriental man:    So far you identify their various names no wahala!

I USE THE ABOVE ANALOGY TO IMPLY THE IDIOMATIC SAYING THAT "GIVE A DOG A BAD NAME, AND HANG IT" BECAUSE OUR FORE-FATHERS IGNORANTLY ACCEPTED BY  ALLOWING THE COLONIALISTS AND THE MISSIONARIES TO TAG OUR DEITIES AND BELIEF SYSTEM WITH "WORDS" AND "TERMS" THAT CONNOTES "DEVILRY" AND "DIABOLISM" DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE OURSELVES (BLACKS) SHOULD NOW ACCEPT IT THAT WAY. ASK YOUR SELF IF THEY'D KNEW ESHU WAS GOING TO TRANSLATED TO SATAN THE DEVIL KNOWING WHAT SATAN MEANS, WOULD THEY HAVE ALLOWED IT? NO, OFCOURSE. ESHU IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM SATAN THE DEVIL, THE WORD 'DEVIL' IS JUST LIKE A TITLE, SORT OF LIKE SAYING FEMI THE CARPENTER, SATAN IS THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF LUCIFER (JEWISH THEOLOGY), AND IF YOU STILL DISAGREE THEN LET THE OYINBO MAN TRANSLATE IBADAN TO ENGLISH, GET MY POINT? I TELL MY FRIENDS THAT WHY IS IT THAT THE NAMES OF THE WEEKS AND MONTHS WERE NAMED AFTER GREEK AND ROMAN MYTHICAL FIGURES AND DEITIES,  DESPITE THAT THEIRS ARE PROVEN NOT TO FUNCTION OR HAD EVER EXISTED BY ATHEISTS? NASA SPENDS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS EXPLORING THE SPACE AND WHENEVER AN HEAVENLY BODY IS DISCOVERED, THEY DON'T ATTRIBUTE NAMES OF BIBLICAL CHARACTER TO THEM, RATHER THEY LOOK FOR A GREEK OR ROMAN DEITY OR CHARACTER TO NAME THEIR GREAT
DISCOVERY.


                                                      -INTERLUDE-

SNCOQ3:
Christianity does not have a problem with protecting artifacts as work of art and culture in museums. What it is against is using this objects as point of

contact to demons a.k.a "ancestral spirits"

CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM HAS A WHOLE LOT OF PROBLEM WITH PROTECTING ANY ARTIFACT THAT DOESN'T PERTAIN TO THEIR BLOODY RELIGION, EITHER AS A WORK OF ART OR NOT. PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME ABOUT THE ARTIFACTS THAT ARE USED AS A MEDIUM TO CONTACT, EM!, AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY 'DEMON'? HAVE YOU WITNESSED ONE BEFORE? AND ALSO NOTE THAT NO ONE LIVING HAS EVE SEEN ANY OF THE BIBLICAL ANGEL, SATAN AND OFCOURSE GOD(YAWEH) BEFORE.

Sweetlemon:
Let me correct something here.
Jesus christ died to save the WHOLE WORLD from all sorts of things ranging from curses to sickness! He came so that ALL can be saved and have eternal

life. You do not need anything to worship Jesus, just a humble heart, that is the beauty of christianity!
So Christianity is not an European religion, it is for whosoever that believes that Jesus came to die for us.
Read the book of John in the bible for more clarity.
However, it is a choice and not to be forced down anybody's throat. If u wanna worship sango, by all means, go ahead. if u wanna worship amadiaoha, bye bye.

YOU AREN'T CORRECTING ANYTHING, RATHER YOU ARE IMPOSING ON SOME OF US NON-RELIGIONISTS BY RE-ASSERTING A CLAIM IN A BOOK THAT JESUS DIED TO SAVE HUMANITY, IF SO? WHY DOES THERE STILL EXISTS SHEER EVIL IN NIGERIA? I ASKED MY SO CALLED CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM FRIENDS THAT IF WE WERE TO BE APPLYING OUR DEITIES I.E. AMADIOHA, SANGO, OGUN, ETC AS A TOOL FOR OUR POLITICIANS, SINATORS AND LEGISLOOTERS TO SWEAR BEFORE TAKING UP THEIR GOVERNMENT POST IN, STATING THAT IF THEY'D BREAK THEIR MANIFESTOS AND PROMISES, LET OGUN DO SO AND SO, OR SHANGO DO SO AND SO THEM, THEY CAN'T ANSWER ME, SOME WOULD CHUCKLE AND NOD THAT IT WILL WORK. ISN'T THAT WHAT IS DONE IN CHINA AND JAPAN? THE ASIANS EMBRACED WESTERNISM BUT INTEGRATED WITH THE CUSTOM OF THEIR FATHERLAND. DON'T YOU THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE 25HOURS OF ELECTRICITY SUPPLY (NOT EVEN 24HRS) IF WE WERE TO BE USING OUR ANCESTRAL WAYS OF CHECK AND BALANCES? BUT INSTEAD WE DECEIVE OURSELVES WITH ALL SORT OF OYIBO RUBBISH THAT WORKS BEST FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY ORIGINATED IT. GLARING EMBEZZLEMENT AND CORRUPTION WILL NEVER CEASE IN NIGERIA BECAUSE THOSE CORRUPTS ELEMENTS THAT COMPRISE THE BULK OF THE NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT KNOWS THAT JESUS NOR MOHAMMED WILL AND CAN NEVER COME DOWN FROM WHEREVER THEY ARE TO STRIKE THEM DESPITE THAT THEIR NAMES IS USED AS A CONDITION TO FOR OFFICE SWEARING TO UPHOLD AND SEE TO THEIR OFFICE DUTIES. THAT'S WHY THE ROADS ARE BAD,EVERYTHING IN SHORT IS BAD. FRED NIETSCHE ONCE SAID SOMETHING LIKE: WITHOUT RELIGION, GOOD PEOPLE WILL DO GOOD THINGS, AND EVIL PEOPLE WILL DO EVIL THING, BUT WITH THE EXISTENCE OF RELGION, EVIL PEOPLE NOW HAVE GOOD REASONS TO DO EVIL THINGS. AND THAT HAS BEEN THE CASE IN THE WORLD.

You also said:
However, it is a choice and not to be forced down anybody's throat. If u wanna worship sango, by all means, go ahead. if u wanna worship amadiaoha, bye

bye.

INITIALLY IT WASN'T A CHOICE, GO READ BOOKS ABOUT THE INQUISITION PERIOD IN EUROPE AND THE WHAT THE CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS DID IN THE NAME OF GOD(YAWEH), THEN, A CRUSADER IS TO CHRISTIANITY AS A JIHADIST IS TO ISLAM NOW IN TERRORISM/EXTREMIST/FUNDAMENTALISM. MOST MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS LIKE YOU FORGOT YOU FALL UNDER NEGROID RACE AND EVERY RACE IN THE WORLD HAVE THEIR UNIQUE IDENTITY, I AS A SELF RE-ENLIGHTENED YORUBA WILL NEVER CONDEMN WHATEVER MY ANCESTOR DID IN THE NAME OF UPHOLDING THE BELIEF SYSTEM OF THE SEMITIC RACE I.E. THE JEWS AND ARABS. WHEN AN INDIAN PERSON COMES OUT, HINDUISM IS IDENTIFY WITH HIM/HER, BUDHISM AND SHINTOISM FOR THE JAPANESE AND CHINESE AND OTHER RACES OF THE WORLD EXCEPT FOR SOME CAUCASIANS, IF I MAKE A VEHICLE AND CALL IT SHANGOTA OR OGUNYAMA, YOU'D YELL "FETISH" OR "HEATHEN PRODUCT" BUT WILL HAPPILY THOUGH IGNORANTLY BUY TOYOTA AND FUJIYAMA DV TAPES (FUJI MOUNTAIN - ONE OF THREE HOLY JAPANESE MOUNTAINS WORSHIPED AS THE GODESS FUJISAN IN SHINTOISM). MUSLIMS IN OUR MOSQUES HERE IN NIGERIA USES AHUJA LOUD SPEAKERS WITHOUT REALIZING ITS CONNECTION WITH THE AVESTA DIVINITY AHURA MAZDA IN OLD IRANIAN RELIGION CALLED ZOROASTRIANISM UNDER THEOLOGY. PEOPLE WHO SAY AMEN DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S WAS DERIVED FROM AMENHOTEP

[quote author=In-4MATIC link=topic=864678.msg10215321#msg10215321 date=1329476119]Much has been said and am frankly torn between my current beliefs and objectivity.
I know for a fact that Christianity also has very bloody origins and most modern day Christians would feel repulsed if they should witness first hand the

kind of blood sacrifice and sprinkling done with the life blood of animals from doves to bullocks in mosaic days.
Is that different from traditional African practices? I think not.[/quote]CERTAIN RITUALS WAS CONDUCTED FOR JESUS CHRIST IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, THEY KILLED PIDGEONS AND OTHER STUFF WHEN HE WAS GIVEN BIRTH TO, THOUGH I DON'T ACCEPT THAT HE WAS IMMACULATELY CONCIEVED. JUST TRY AND READ BOOK SUCH AS THE GOD DELUSION AND WHY I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN, ETC

[quote author=In-4MATIC link=topic=864678.msg10215321#msg10215321 date=1329476119]Now that its all been thankfully revolutionized, it is also not a bad idea for 'trado-worship' to also undergo same.
Regarding  quotations from biblical sources, at times i wish our traditional histories and worship models were documented, for then we could compare quote

for quote but alas, our forefathers were not as[b] far thinking as the Egyptians of old[/b].[/quote]Thankful! So you mean we should be thankful for the gift that was sold to us as a tool to self-destroy our culture and various belief system? Who told you they weren't documented? Remember two things: 1. Africa went through four hundred years of devastation in the past perpetrated by Arabs and certain Europeans, four century is enough to bury the real truth, and 2. The victors re-writes history for later day people to accept as what happened in the past. The Yorubas are credited to have the highest IQ of all negroid race due to their high level of calculation in their numerology, if you couple that fact with the newly discovery of the insibid alaphabets of the Calabar people then definitely we, the Yorubas ought to have ours too but it's probably obscured and buried somewhere waiting to be excavated, perhaps old-folks who can elaborate about it have passed away in 1800s but thanks to the literary corpus called IFA which to me is our bible (so to say), most don't understand IFA at all and I deviate to that now but later on, I don't accept the belief that the whites opened our eyes by giving us clothes, mirrors, watches, etc because the Yoruba already had words for this things, so conclusively white men never gave the Yoruba the concept of asho(clothes), digi(mirror), ago(watch/clock), etc as a dubious history states. In my research, I have been able to connect how the ancient Greeks were inspired by Yoruba philosophy and sciences, it's quite complex to explain but I will try to simplify it later, but just note that the Greeks borrowed their believe system, philosophies and culture from somewhere, I have a theory that any particular way of thinking or way of doing things are always inspired from a source. Everything the ancient Greeks are credited for were derived/inspired from somewhere, Egypt ofcourse (They are few books on that particular topic but tend to be suppressed). Also I was able to connect how civilization began in Yoruba land and how todays science and tech is from what the Yoruba call IFA, IFA which isn't a religion nor an organised religion is even far beyond the current state of science and tech, which I can prove. Anyway what I am trying to say in a jiffy is that our fore-fathers before the events of four hundred years of Africa devastation were far far thinking than those egyptians of old who emerged after them. There's a lot of inconsistency, confusion and contradictions in the bible which I think should be called The Holy Confusion.  How can a BLACK AFRICAN believe that their primogeniture is Adam and Eve when scientifically it's impossible for a caucasian to give birth to a black, infact it's sometimes the other way round, (Albinism, Mulato, etc).

[quote author=In-4MATIC link=topic=864678.msg10215321#msg10215321 date=1329476119]My question is this? Is our society today- with all the killings,  Desecrates corruption AND churches- a better society than the one where people didn't have

to lock their doors cos no one in his right mind will attempt the types of crime we live with today?[/quote]I don't get your question, try putting it in another sentence.

blacksta:
This can't be right. This figures are made up from hell. So far from all the available government data-. Subsidy payments is a combination of interest payments, demurrages, inflated figures, actual imported fuel. The figures supplied by the op is based on so called consumption only.

When I find the document. I will post the link.

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NIGERIA'S PROBLEM IS MULTI-FACTORIAL AND THERE'S NO ECONOMIC THEORY IN THE WORLD THAT CAN SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS. THE ONLY SOLUTION IS THE PEACEFUL DIS-AMALGAMATION OF THE VARIOUS INCOMPATIBLE TRIBES THAT MAKES UP THE BRITISH COLONIALISTS' FAILED EXPERIMENT CALLED NIGERIA[/size].

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