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davidylan: I have proof... but i will show you the very minute you show me EVIDENTIAL PROOF of the big b[i]a[/i]ng and evolution.Well... I believe theHomer and areaBoy have done that, which started when you fell into my trap here: https://www.nairaland.com/986687/how-murdered-5-argument-killed#11401149 As for evidence of the Big B*ng theory, check here: https://www.nairaland.com/989023/evidence-bing-b4ng-theory#11417191 I didn't state I'm going to give evidence of the Big B4ng Theory nor Evolution, I was the first to demand that you show me evidence of an Angel/Jeovah/Allah/ and I'll give you evidence of any of the pagan deities I listed above....I'm still waiting o. |
I created this topic on this sub-forum since it pertains to science and not religion, as a response to all religious apologists such as davidylan and DeepDaftedSight We are all here to learn so any comment shouldn't contain insult or abuse. No beefing please. The B4ng Theory - Evidence for the Theory What are the major evidences which support the Big B4ng theory? First of all, we are reasonably certain that the universe had a beginning. Second, galaxies appear to be moving away from us at speeds proportional to their distance. This is called "Hubble's Law," named after Edwin Hubble (1889-1953) who discovered this phenomenon in 1929. This observation supports the expansion of the universe and suggests that the universe was once compacted. Third, if the universe was initially very, very hot as the Big B4ng suggests, we should be able to find some remnant of this heat. In 1965, Radioastronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson discovered a 2.725 degree Kelvin (-454.765 degree Fahrenheit, -270.425 degree Celsius) Cosmic Microwave Background radiation (CMB) which pervades the observable universe. This is thought to be the remnant which scientists were looking for. Penzias and Wilson shared in the 1978 Nobel Prize for Physics for their discovery. Finally, the abundance of the "light elements" Hydrogen and Helium found in the observable universe are thought to support the Big Bang model of origins. |
@theHomer I think you were right about Davidylan fond of using a very weak tactics to defend not only his religious biases but to make his fellow religionists' feel correct. When you enquired him to explain why 'the diversity of life', he insisted you give explanation to why you think his clumsy disproval of areaBoys' pictorial fact isn't so. He employs the same dirty tactic here: https://www.nairaland.com/985810/5-arguments-killed-atheism/4#11412289 |
vescucci: It's possible to prove something exists, no matter how hard it is. However, it's impossible to prove something does not exist no matter how ridiculous it is. This is probably layman logic, but I believe it makes sense. The atheist position is somewhat untenable. The religionists position is mutually exclusive bedlam. [b]One position is harmless. The other is not. [b]I know you know the religionist position is harmful. An atheist may prove Dracula never existed because it's evidently a work of fiction, a religionist position would definitely be - because everyone thinks of Dracula as a demon who feeds on human blood, therefore he must exist (appeal to fear/emotion). The position of a religious apologist such as Davidylan and DeepDaftedSight would be - since vampire bats exists therefore it's very much likely Dracula must have existed. Now you see how that can be harmful to the kids. |
davidylan: Actually not. Detailed study of genetics rather negates the idea that we are merely a product of random evolution.If you are so certain the study of genetics negates the idea connecting the origin of man (homo-sapien) to evolution...then what do you advocate as the origin of mankind? Creationist myth? |
As I read through these fierce battle debate in 'genetics', I couldn't help but to wonder why a religionist as Davidylan understands genetics in-depth and yet would believe in a creationist account of Adam and Eve from dust. Doesn't he realise that his slightest attestation to the scientific discipline of Genetics which is part of the central core of Evolution completely negates Genesis of the Abrahamic religion. If I understand you guys (theHomer, AreaBoy and Davidylan) correctly, isn't what you 3 have been battling about dubbed - The Missing Link? |
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davidylan: For starters... I do not believe in the homo erectus of homo sapien story. I think that is just bogus nonsense dreamed up to justify the evolution theory.You call evolution a story! You could as well call the internet a fiction and your TV a mystery, aeroplane a miracle, perhaps you like most confused religionists are free to disregard all the beneficial works and achievements of science and tech as 'objects of blasphemy' i.e. from automobiles to your solar wrist watch to your micro-oven to the microphone and loudspeakers in your church. davidylan: The problem DS and I were pointing to was that for someone who claims to be a firm believer in the scientific alternative to creation, you shld know the difference between homo erectus and homo sapiens. We were taught that in secondary school.WTF!....if what you mean by 'know the difference' is my intentional mistake of typing 'Homo-erectus instead of Homo-sapien...then DeepDaftedSight wouldn't have fallen for my snare i.e. using his own exploits to trap him. And nobody need know whether you were taught homo-whatever in secondary school or not. It's irrelevant. |
davidylan: Really? Says the guy who thinks our present form is homo erectus?O! Davidylan - yet another religionist caught up in my snare. I'm sorry I didn't attended to you in time. See the joke I made out of your side-kick Mr. DDS |
Deep Sight: Chei, see illiteracy. So our present human form is homo erectus? ? ? ? ? ?Ofcourse I was aware it should be HomoSapien. I could have easily changed it if I wanted to by using the 'modify' button but I needed a religionist to fall for my trap by re-quoting my deliberate mistake because that is what all you religionists resort to here on Nairaland whenever you can't objectively counter an argument. You religionists comb our wordings looking for blunders and holes to throw back as a logical answer. I wasn't expecting that religionist would be you: Mr. DDS (Deep Dafted Sight). I wasn't even expecting you'll shoot yourself multiple times this time around with the Russian Roulette I sub-consciously keep giving you. Mr. DDS, doesn't your reasoning faculty find it conflicting for you to accept the Scientific/Evolutionary theory that the Homo-Erectus whom you quoted to have lived between 1.3million to 1.8million years ago clearly contradicts the Biblical/Creationist account of the earth creation 6,000 years ago? Yours is a grand case of INTELLECTUAL HYPOCRISY. |
FXKing2012: Pls dont mind these blind atheists, they are so lost and dont even know it. They will soon start asking you for proof and so many other WH questions. |
FXKing2012: Pls dont mind these blind atheists, they are so lost and dont even know it.Atheists aren't blind, they can see with the microscope and telescope from science to establish facts. They experiment to establish theoretical truths. Pagans employs the psychical Intelligence in nature to establish supernatural effect. Religionists see ONLY through their Holy Books to establish faith - which means believing in non-evidential claims. That's complete BLINDNESS. Why don't you stick to the 'flat earth' idea...afterall it is a Christian belief. FXKing2012:Give me evidential proof of the three headed beasts, or Satan the Devil, or Jeovah/Yaweh, or Angel Michael or Angel Gabriel. I can give you proof of Ogun, Eshu or Shango if you demand. |
Ishilove: Just hold on,the 'all-knowing' and 'rational' sceptics are coming to analyse your narration and give you some bullsheeit theories about coincidence,subconscious prompting and flashforwarding.Ishilove some of us are here to learn from each other and I assume you are too. Try watching the TV film 'Flashforward', it offers satisfactory explanations for the possibility of the mind-brain to elicit 'info' from a future time. It has to do with what I call the 'mind-particle' probing at the speed of light. Supposing that, if your mind is made of ¤-particles, and they were able to somehow transmit at the speed of light between the three phases of sleep, therefore it is very much possible that any sentient being can dream of future events (mental time-travel). The human mind is a very powerful thing....I knew what I experienced when I experimented with Cannabis Sativa. I could predict things approx 5secs before it happened because my mind was processing extremely faster than I could control. I also experience what I personally call an 'altered reality' were all my senses where hyper-active and hyper-sensitive....at times I could pick up sound from very far distance, I saw people in various grotesque form, despite understanding that I was under severe hallucination, it was freaking REAL (and frightening)....after due self-recovery I knew it would be foolish of me to attribute said experiences to something 'spiritual' or 'existence of a devil realm' maybe unless I'm a catholic, Christian or Hindu, etc.....my point again is - the intangible thing called MIND is a powerful tool generated by certain components of the physical BRAIN. The mind is capable of constructing anything, depending on how mentally creative one is. I have hypotheses of how Telekinesis could be achieved....I won't go into that since it's off-topic...but it has to do with the human MIND. [DISCLAIMER: I am not encouraging readers of this thread to do drugs or conduct mind-experiment. Illegal drug is dangerous.] You said: Ishilove: The fact is that there are mysterious forces at work in this world which can not be boxed in into the narrow confines of 'reason'You talked about MYSTERY and REASON, there is no such thing as a mystery. Something becomes a mystery if it can't be unravelled. The Bermuda Triangle remains a mystery until a satisfactory explanation is given and that's even if the phenomenon of vanishing aircraft and vessels truly did occur and not series of exaggerated hoaxes. Do you know that during the period of English colonialism...certain English soldiers who landed in Australia shot resisting natives who have never seen a gun in their entire existence, it is recorded that the dying Aborigines where noted to be talking among themselves while dying because it was a MYSTERY to them to easily kill a human without using a spear, club or arrow. I hope you get my logic point. MYSTERY is subjective. What may seem as mystery to you, mightn't seem so to me. What is mystery to religionists isn't mysterious to scientists. Science probes and tries to understand by REASONING why and how X works. The thought process of attributing 'mystery' to something 'divine' as a means to validate the existence of the semitic blood-thirsty God(Yaweh/Allah) is refuttable which you did. [OFF-TOPIC] If you want to see mystery, enter Ifa and or Ishegun....infact they aren't totally mystery too because when you begin to study it with a scientific mind... you'd figure out they are what I term Yoruba Advanced Sciences mostly based on complex psychical intelligence articulated into what most erroneously call 'juju'/'charms' which brings forth supernatural result though at times with an befitting condition (not consequence). If you ask... I can give you an instance. |
Martian: Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, I love this place. Only place where you can see the movie "inception" and "ifa" mentioned in the same breath. lolYour point been? |
Kay 17: Of course. BUT Davidlyan has a history of finding natural solutions to the Origin of Life, evolution to be unscientific. Also imposing the primacy of biblical provisions.Davidylan is a self-confusing robot |
davidylan: Nonsense.Yes you are correct that science isn't an enemy to Abrahamic faiths but why does the Abrahamic religions stand as enemy to scientific progression? Heliocentric vs Geocentric system? Stem cell research? Cloning? NFRID chip? Solar technology? etc...and yes faith in Abrahamic faith is an illogical thought process because why should I believe in Angel when many haven't actually seen one before...but isn't it logical to have faith in Ayilala or Shango deity because it is a fact that when one of two or more people swears an oath under their *contactivated* presence who later betrays the condition of the sworn oath....something inexplicable and supernatural always happen. Take for instance - you and I swore with the God of the Holy books never to reveal or sell the source code of a billion dollar-prospective mind-revealing software that we worked our arses for years to develop and perfected prior to a proposal or launch...and I went behind your back to sell the source-code to Microsoft or Google, claiming I'm the owner and received billions Do you honestly believe God(Allah/Yaweh) would strike me? If your answer is a frank Yes...then why hasn't 'he' struck our corrupt and greedy legislooters, sinators and governors who swear with the Quran and Holy Bible and yet embezzle public funds. If you and I were to make such an oath under the presence of Amadioha or Ogun or Shango or Ayilala...fear of it or not, believe in it or not....something will happen....this you know just as many. davidylan: 2. Let me ask you a question... what determined the order with which the planets revolve around the sun? Random chaos?Why can't you go ask astronomers in NASA. If you are attempting to connect planetary order to the work of a divine Creator, then isn't it dis-orderly for Uranus and Venus to rotate in counter direction of other planets. Even the knowledge of planets, asteroids, meteorites, comets etc in terms of their sizes, mass, axial degree, temperature, composition, etc were not gleaned from the Holy Bible or Quran but from science. davidylan: I was going along with your argument until you claimed that evolution and the big [i]ba[/i]ng theory are responsible for the earth's creation. Can you explain how the big b[i]a[/i]ng theory led to the creation of the planets and life forms pls?Evolution theory is responsible for the process that took place, leading to our present human form - Homo-erectus. Various fields in Biology would explain how life form began. Big B*ng theory provides a credible explanation of how the universe began....origin of the universe.
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tobechi74: Mr ghost of sparta,Re-read my response...I didn't say dreams don't come to pass...what I object is linking it to confirm the existence of a God (Yaweh/Allah) which I tried to explain the mechanics of dreaming. My introduction of Ifa to the topic is to confer an aspect within Ifa wherein contains metaphysical means of intruding into one's dream. Have you seen 'Inception'? Let me also ask you... were your dreams as vivid as it was in reality. |
noetic16: That was one long and SENSELESS post.I agree that the human brain (mind) is capable of flash-forwarding (Not conjuring) to a future event, and in as much as your Kevin scenario is very much possible, it still highly subjective...however still, I disagree with the part of attributing the source of the message to be from God (Jeovah/Allah) in order to confirm his existence. It all have to do with the mind/level of consciousness. I have a friend who told me he dreamt about a friend of his who brought him poisoned oranges and the other day, the said friend came around to offered him oranges. He said he took it but later threw them away. I asked him how did he knew the oranges where poisoned in the dream...he said he could feel they were. This my friend is a 'rude guy' if you know what I mean, and also A womaniser who doesn't give a hoot about religious belief despite he identifies with Christianity...according to your argument - it was God that sent him that message abi? noetic16: You are IGNORANT. For you to say that there is no such thing as Deja vu, you simply killed the argument with your intellectual incapacity. Go do some further reading and then come back.I didn't say there is no such thing as a DejaVu. What I said 'no real deja vu' I was referring to Hollywood-style dejavu such as in the movie 'DeJaVu' and 'Matrix'. I tried to explain the phenomenon of dejavu in order to disconnect it as proof of an existing God (Yaweh/Allah) noetic16: Your Dads sperm and mum's egg created you, Fine. What/who created the first living person?Why don't you go ask 'google' who created the first living person. What an absurd question. Why should I be bothered. I sure know it wasn't Adam and Eve (creationism), I rather stick to The Odua Strain Theory. Go read about EVOLUTION. |
Martian: It all started when a silly person decided to start a thread bashing atheists using some inane arguments based on appeals to ignorance. Then, the ghostofsparta decided to refute the ignorance with even more inanities and then decided that his ridiculous rebuttal of the original "arguments" are worthy of a new thread.And finally the jobless freak from Mars came along to summarize it all... Martian: To make it even funnier, the "atheist", ghostofparta believes in ifa.Martian freak mind checking here: https://www.nairaland.com/984842/logicboy-effect-message-all-nairaland/3#11378359 |
noetic16: That was one long and SENSELESS post.I agree that the human brain (mind) is capable of flash-forwarding (Not conjuring) to a future event, and in as much as your Kevin scenario is very much possible, it still highly subjective...however still, I disagree with the part of attributing the source of the message to be from God (Jeovah/Allah) in order to confirm his existence. It all have to do with the mind/level of consciousness. I have a friend who told me he dreamt about a friend of his who brought him poisoned oranges and the other day, the said friend came around to offered him oranges. He said he took it but later threw them away. I asked him how did he knew the oranges where poisoned in the dream...he said he could feel they were. This my friend is a 'rude guy' if you know what I mean, and also A womaniser who doesn't give a hoot about religious belief despite he identifies with Christianity...according to your argument - it was God that sent him that message abi? Why don't you go ask 'google' who created the first living person What an absurd question. Why should I be bothered. I sure know it wasn't Adam and Eve (part of creationism), I rather stick to The Odua Strain Theory. Go read about EVOLUTION. I didn't say there is no such thing as a DejaVu. What I said 'no real deja vu' I was referring to Hollywood-style dejavu such as in the movie 'DeJaVu' and 'Matrix'. I tried to explain the phenomenon of dejavu in order to disconnect it as proof of an existing God (Yaweh/Allah) |
Deep Sight: Not gat ya time sugar.Na me kon get ya time....Mr. DDS |
Deep Sight: ^^^ Its also a lot easier to display fo.olish illiteracy than it is to imbibe the attributes of scholarship and rigorous reasoning.Don't you like your fancy new name? Mr. Deep Dafted Sight (Mr.DDS) |
Deep Sight: daftDaft as you can be. Daft is the shape of your reasoning. Like I said on the post: How I Murdered The 5 Argument That Killed Atheism ghostofsparta: E ya! Am so sorry I didn't consider certain douchebags who wouldn't comprehend it. Anyway Mr. DDS (Deep Dafte Sight) I appreciate using yourself to point that out. |
Shhh! Be still Deep Sight: The above post is incredibly shallow, meaningless and wholly nonsensical.E ya! Am so sorry I didn't consider certain douchebags who wouldn't comprehend it. Anyway I appreciate you yourself to point that out. |
FXKing2012: It should first be noted that atheism was imported to Africa, our forefathers were very religious so atheism was never our thing. I had to clear this out because of the atheists in this forum who keep shouting about how Christianity and Islam were imported to Africa as if atheism was not.My response: 1. DREAM There are three phases of sleep and depending on how exhausted the body is, a dream may occur in between these phases notably during REM. REM? (Rapid Eyes Movement) Take for instance, suppose you were staring at a door-knob, your eyes fixated at the shiny metal knob and suddenly, a wall-gecko brisks by, you involuntarily move the position of your pupils from the door knob line of sight towards the location of the wall-gecko's line of sight. Such act of observation is called 'seeing' or 'watching' which is what goes on during REM because the pupil rapidly moves from one direction to another, seeing visuals, watching moving images. The next question is where does these 'visual images' comes from? There's an abstract thing called 'mind' which is responsible for our emotions, logic, intellects, reasoning and ofcourse 'imagination' which is the keypoint here been that when one imagines, one can be said to be visualising one's own thoughts e.g. 'kissing someone' or 'passing an exam' or 'surviving an accident'; kind of like watching one's own imagination. In other words the visual images seen by the eyes is generated from the mind, at this juncture I'm provided with the liberty to define 'dream' as the pre-lucid experience of visualising one's own imagination while 'dreaming' is the visual feedback of residual thoughts ex-imagined on a conscious mind, induced by the sub-conscious self. If the pupils are static, the subject would experience either a drifty or normal or deep sleep (no dream). I have dreamt about events that I wished could happen but never did, I have dreamt about nightmares that never transpired. I have had disturbing real life experience I never previously dreamt of, likewise have I had several delightful moments I never dreamt prior to. So no dreams actually come true. Your point of a dream coming true is highly subjective, unless taken metaphorically. You've only made a futile attempt in trying to connect the phenomenon of 'dreaming' to confirm the existence of semitic God (Yaweh/Allah) by claiming they govern a spirit-realm otherwise known as the dream-state. To further crush your 'pillar of dream' I will sincerely tell you that I personally do experience what is called 'phantasmagoria' an experience more weird than 'dejavu' yet never attributed it to any divinity, rather I took time to understand what it is, even before I knew it had a name. In conclusion, most people who think that to dream is an evidence of God's existence should explain why is it that in Yorubaland here, there are mysterious cases of people who after sleeping never wakes up again. Did God allowed Satan the Devil to have a field day? Well, in Yoruba belief system or theology...according to a aspect of Ifa known as Ishegun (craft of ogun) [a repository of various esoteric knowledge and science as thoughts by the 'irunmole' osanyin] contains means where one's dream state can be intruded by.....I won't go into that......and even if I should....it still wouldn't still confirm the existence of Yaweh/Allah but rather ours which is Olodumare and his 400 irunmole/orusha (Olorun is not God but a deity of the sky in Yoruba theology...Olu Orun i.e. Lord of The Sky. Orun is not heaven in Yoruba language, Orun is the blue sky while Ofurufu is the cloud. The concept of heaven and hell was borrowed into the Yoruba etymology from christeo-judaic influence. The Greeks have Atlas in their myths..Note: Mythology is neither true nor false. It is erroneous to relegate the Yoruba pantheon to a mythological status because Irumole/Orisha Ayilala do respond when *contactivated*) 2. DE JAVU There's no such thing as a real de javu. It's a french term adopted to describe a feeling of reliving a particular event twice or more which is very different from 'Phantasmagoria' which is - in my own case involves the conscious partaking or observation of a series of real events that strongly SEEMS familiar, mostly from a dream. So what does that tell you - flashforwarding of one's own consciousness to a future time by an upped mind to be experienced later in reality. DeJavu on the other hand is the effect you feel whenever the mind recalls a repressed memory of event previously relived in a sub-conscious mind-state. It has a lot to do with incoming stream of sensory information overwritten into a SECTOR of the memory lane with SIMILAR make-up. My sister once passed a place where she spotted a red car with people passing by as normal, after a year later, she had forgotten (let assign a value to that event: 'FXK2f5y433z18r' which is repressed somewhere in the recesses of her memory bank since it's an insignificant or irrelevant stream of sensory information) but only to be recalled when she passed that same spot seeing either that same red car or a similar one with people passing by as usual, the difference this time around is that the sensory information would read almost the same as: FXL2g5y423z18y. It is the result of this conflict in storage location one feels as 'DeJavu. She told me her experience but none of us knew such thing had a name because we were like 9 - 10 years old back then. To her it was indeed very weird. Once again...another cheap attempt to validate the existence of the Abrahamic gods. 3. UNIVERSAL ORDER What a gimmick! You even shot yourself with a Russian Roulette. Are you aware that your analysis up there about planetary order, microbes, etc were all knowable thanks to science - the enemy of Abrahamic faiths. Talking about order...then tell me why is Uranus not obeying that order in it clock-wise orbit round the sun? Science explores and understand how things work, using that knowledge to the benefit or detriment of mankind. If anyone really want to know how everything began...I recommend the study of Yoruba Theology as espoused in Ifa. It had long provided answers to the tough debate that the Chicken came before the Egg. Genesis of Earthling. 4. CAUSE AND EFFECT To quote you: for every cause there is definitely an effect. Ofcourse we already know that as a scientific axiom whose origin isn't from any of the revealed books. Please refer to the First Law of Motion to be further cleared in that. there is life on earth and the universe is well balanced Have you explored the whole universe for you to assert the whole universe is 'well balanced'? Define balance within the context of your usage, How do you know there isn't chaos happening somewhere in another galaxy gazillion of light years away right now? How are you or the bible so sure Earth is the only planet that has life form? How would you describe as exploding over-densed gas also known as 'star'...Chaotic? Orderly? something (or someone) must have caused it Something - YES (science of Evolution and Big Bang Theory) Someone - NO (not an omni-potent God who after creating the heavenly bodies still needs to REST on the seventh day) Have you heard about the omni-potent paradox before? Can an god be so omnipotent that it would create a stone so heavy that it can never carry? Duh!.......even in Yoruba theology...Olodunare whom Ifa never address it as neither a he nor a she wasn't credited as the creator of the universe. It just says it is 'awamaridi' i.e. It that is searched but never found....Olodumare isn't the same with the Jewish 'Yaweh/Jeovah' nor the Arabic 'Allah' because their characteristics completely differs. The Christian God (Yaweh/Jeovah) has an adversary known as Satan the Devil. The Yorubas Olodumare has no adversary, though there's a passage in deep Ifa that says 'Owo ni kan lo wo oju Olodumare' i.e. (Out of the 400 irunmoles/oruishas sent to ile-aiye (earth), it is only the irunmole called 'Owo' (money) that challenged Olodumare as saying 'he/she has become more popular and famous than Olodumare their Master, and so Olodumare laid 'ge-gun fun' (pronounced a curse on it) that 'won ma ma wa e kiri gbo gbo ojo ile aiye, iwo na ama wa won' meaning everyone would be searching for the proud and famous irunmole/orisha called 'Owo' and vice versa....this is 'deism'. Our ancestors understood the climate, weather and meteorology and heuhemerised these knowledge into a personification called Shango identified as the deity of justice and revenge not the erroneous 'God of Thunder' like Thor or Zeus. There are babalawos who still retain that knowledge of invoking rain or holding one. Check out my post here: https://www.nairaland.com/961735/nigeria-better-off-leaders-swears it couldnt have all happened out of nothing If you were born into a stone age era, you'd probably think there's someone or something moving the winds, breeze and air. Elementary science explains that movement of air or wind is as a result of convective factors such as the difference in the rate of rapid evaporation due to massive heat and rainfall. My point been if certain conditions occurs their certainly going to be an effect. It is that conditions in the field of 'origin of human existence' some conveniently chose to reason as a 'the causer'. An good analogy is when certain conditions are established in your anatomy, the result is to fart. Did you cause it? No, the condition did. Yet another weak throw to dislodge atheism. 5. LIFE ON EARTH I'm sure I have answered this 'absurd question' somewhere up there, which is very similar to the common one asked by many Nigerian religionists whenever they can't debate intelligently, they ignorantly ask me 'who created you?' And I love to answer 'what created me is my dad's sperm and mum's egg'. Life can NEVER come from any inanimate object You are right but ONLY if its an object. A virus isn't an object but an organism that is either active or inactive depending on the condition. Go read about bio-genesis and isomorphism. Then again you will have to define 'Life' within religious context. In conclusion: I personally do experience lots of synchronicity which up till today still can't make sense of it but I very much know it has to do with my own 'mental evolution' which may be due years of 'mind experiment'. I never for once attributed my ordeals to any religion nor Ifa itself. I'm sure you must have heard about 'placebo effect' before....now take for instance a catholic old woman whose responding positive to a placebo drug may attribute her recovery to a divinity been the foundation make-up of her psyche/mentality. Next time try attacking deist and pagans, while leaving the atheists to attack you with 'burden of proof'. Finally atheism was not imported to Africa. Our ancestors had divergent views about living (not life), they shared one belief system which is what you love to call 'idolatory'. Please define idolatory if you don't mind. https://www.nairaland.com/985810/5-arguments-killed-atheism/2#11388760 |
FXKing2012: It should first be noted that atheism was imported to Africa, our forefathers were very religious so atheism was never our thing. I had to clear this out because of the atheists in this forum who keep shouting about how Christianity and Islam were imported to Africa as if atheism was not.Ha! Ha! Ha! Your punchlines are so fragile I can't help but to crumble them like the weak 5 pillars of Islam. @Seun I liked your response, nice one! @MacDaddy aka LogicBoy Like I said...I always feel your points...keep it on. Now let me smash all these dumb religionists especially the half-knowledged ForexKing 1. DREAM There are three phases of sleep and depending on how exhausted the body is, a dream may occur in between these phases notably during REM. REM? (Rapid Eyes Movement) Take for instance, suppose you were staring at a door-knob, your eyes fixated at the shiny metal knob and suddenly, a wall-gecko brisks by, you involuntarily move the position of your pupils from the door knob line of sight towards the location of the wall-gecko's line of sight. Such act of observation is called 'seeing' or 'watching' which is what goes on during REM because the pupil rapidly moves from one direction to another, seeing visuals, watching moving images. The next question is where does these 'visual images' comes from? There's an abstract thing called 'mind' which is responsible for our emotions, logic, intellects, reasoning and ofcourse 'imagination' which is the keypoint here been that when one imagines, one can be said to be visualising one's own thoughts e.g. 'kissing someone' or 'passing an exam' or 'surviving an accident'; kind of like watching one's own imagination. In other words the visual images seen by the eyes is generated from the mind, at this juncture I'm provided with the liberty to define 'dream' as the pre-lucid experience of visualising one's own imagination while 'dreaming' is the visual feedback of residual thoughts ex-imagined on a conscious mind, induced by the sub-conscious self. If the pupils are static, the subject would experience either a drifty or normal or deep sleep (no dream). I have dreamt about events that I wished could happen but never did, I have dreamt about nightmares that never transpired. I have had disturbing real life experience I never previously dreamt of, likewise have I had several delightful moments I never dreamt prior to. So no dreams actually come true. Your point of a dream coming true is highly subjective, unless taken metaphorically. You've only made a futile attempt in trying to connect the phenomenon of 'dreaming' to confirm the existence of semitic God (Yaweh/Allah) by claiming they govern a spirit-realm otherwise known as the dream-state. To further crush your 'pillar of dream' I will sincerely tell you that I personally do experience what is called 'phantasmagoria' an experience more weird than 'dejavu' yet never attributed it to any divinity, rather I took time to understand what it is, even before I knew it had a name. In conclusion, most people who think that to dream is an evidence of God's existence should explain why is it that in Yorubaland here, there are mysterious cases of people who after sleeping never wakes up again. Did God allowed Satan the Devil to have a field day? Well, in Yoruba belief system or theology...according to a aspect of Ifa known as Ishegun (craft of ogun) [a repository of various esoteric knowledge and science as thoughts by the 'irunmole' osanyin] contains means where one's dream state can be intruded by.....I won't go into that......and even if I should....it still wouldn't still confirm the existence of Yaweh/Allah but rather ours which is Olodumare and his 400 irunmole/orusha (Olorun is not God but a deity of the sky in Yoruba theology...Olu Orun i.e. Lord of The Sky. Orun is not heaven in Yoruba language, Orun is the blue sky while Ofurufu is the cloud. The concept of heaven and hell was borrowed into the Yoruba etymology from christeo-judaic influence. The Greeks have Atlas in their myths..Note: Mythology is neither true nor false. It is erroneous to relegate the Yoruba pantheon to a mythological status because Irumole/Orisha Ayilala do respond when *contactivated*) 2. DE JAVU There's no such thing as a real de javu. It's a french term adopted to describe a feeling of reliving a particular event twice or more which is very different from 'Phantasmagoria' which is - in my own case involves the conscious partaking or observation of a series of real events that strongly SEEMS familiar, mostly from a dream. So what does that tell you - flashforwarding of one's own consciousness to a future time by an upped mind to be experienced later in reality. DeJavu on the other hand is the effect you feel whenever the mind recalls a repressed memory of event previously relived in a sub-conscious mind-state. It has a lot to do with incoming stream of sensory information overwritten into a SECTOR of the memory lane with SIMILAR make-up. My sister once passed a place where she spotted a red car with people passing by as normal, after a year later, she had forgotten (let assign a value to that event: 'FXK2f5y433z18r' which is repressed somewhere in the recesses of her memory bank since it's an insignificant or irrelevant stream of sensory information) but only to be recalled when she passed that same spot seeing either that same red car or a similar one with people passing by as usual, the difference this time around is that the sensory information would read almost the same as: FXL2g5y423z18y. It is the result of this conflict in storage location one feels as 'DeJavu. She told me her experience but none of us knew such thing had a name because we were like 9 - 10 years old back then. To her it was indeed very weird. Once again...another cheap attempt to validate the existence of the Abrahamic gods. 3. UNIVERSAL ORDER What a gimmick! You even shot yourself with a Russian Roulette. Are you aware that your analysis up there about planetary order, microbes, etc were all knowable thanks to science - the enemy of Abrahamic faiths. Talking about order...then tell me why is Uranus not obeying that order in it clock-wise orbit round the sun? Science explores and understand how things work, using that knowledge to the benefit or detriment of mankind. If anyone really want to know how everything began...I recommend the study of Yoruba Theology as espoused in Ifa. It had long provided answers to the tough debate that the Chicken came before the Egg. Genesis of Earthling. 4. CAUSE AND EFFECT To quote you: for every cause there is definitely an effect. Ofcourse we already know that as a scientific axiom whose origin isn't from any of the revealed books. Please refer to the First Law of Motion to be further cleared in that. there is life on earth and the universe is well balanced Have you explored the whole universe for you to assert the whole universe is 'well balanced'? Define balance within the context of your usage, How do you know there isn't chaos happening somewhere in another galaxy gazillion of light years away right now? How are you or the bible so sure Earth is the only planet that has life form? How would you describe as exploding over-densed gas also known as 'star'...Chaotic? Orderly? something (or someone) must have caused it Something - YES (science of Evolution and Big Bang Theory) Someone - NO (not an omni-potent God who after creating the heavenly bodies still needs to REST on the seventh day) Have you heard about the omni-potent paradox before? Can an god be so omnipotent that it would create a stone so heavy that it can never carry? Duh!.......even in Yoruba theology...Olodunare whom Ifa never address it as neither a he nor a she wasn't credited as the creator of the universe. It just says it is 'awamaridi' i.e. It that is searched but never found....Olodumare isn't the same with the Jewish 'Yaweh/Jeovah' nor the Arabic 'Allah' because their characteristics completely differs. The Christian God (Yaweh/Jeovah) has an adversary known as Satan the Devil. The Yorubas Olodumare has no adversary, though there's a passage in deep Ifa that says 'Owo ni kan lo wo oju Olodumare' i.e. (Out of the 400 irunmoles/oruishas sent to ile-aiye (earth), it is only the irunmole called 'Owo' (money) that challenged Olodumare as saying 'he/she has become more popular and famous than Olodumare their Master, and so Olodumare laid 'ge-gun fun' (pronounced a curse on it) that 'won ma ma wa e kiri gbo gbo ojo ile aiye, iwo na ama wa won' meaning everyone would be searching for the proud and famous irunmole/orisha called 'Owo' and vice versa....this is 'deism'. Our ancestors understood the climate, weather and meteorology and heuhemerised these knowledge into a personification called Shango identified as the deity of justice and revenge not the erroneous 'God of Thunder' like Thor or Zeus. There are babalawos who still retain that knowledge of invoking rain or holding one. Check out my post here: https://www.nairaland.com/961735/nigeria-better-off-leaders-swears it couldnt have all happened out of nothing If you were born into a stone age era, you'd probably think there's someone or something moving the winds, breeze and air. Elementary science explains that movement of air or wind is as a result of convective factors such as the difference in the rate of rapid evaporation due to massive heat and rainfall. My point been if certain conditions occurs their certainly going to be an effect. It is that conditions in the field of 'origin of human existence' some conveniently chose to reason as a 'the causer'. An good analogy is when certain conditions are established in your anatomy, the result is to fart. Did you cause it? No, the condition did. Yet another weak throw to dislodge atheism. 5. LIFE ON EARTH I'm sure I have answered this 'absurd question' somewhere up there, which is very similar to the common one asked by many Nigerian religionists whenever they can't debate intelligently, they ignorantly ask me 'who created you?' And I love to answer 'what created me is my dad's sperm and mum's egg'. Life can NEVER come from any inanimate object You are right but ONLY if its an object. A virus isn't an object but an organism that is either active or inactive depending on the condition. Go read about bio-genesis and isomorphism. Then again you will have to define 'Life' within religious context. In conclusion: I personally do experience lots of synchronicity which up till today still can't make sense of it but I very much know it has to do with my own 'mental evolution' which may be due years of 'mind experiment'. I never for once attributed my ordeals to any religion nor Ifa itself. I'm sure you must have heard about 'placebo effect' before....now take for instance a catholic old woman whose responding positive to a placebo drug may attribute her recovery to a divinity been the foundation make-up of her psyche/mentality. Next time try attacking deist and pagans, while leaving the atheists to attack you with 'burden of proof'. Finally atheism was not imported to Africa. Our ancestors had divergent views about living (not life), they shared one belief system which is what you love to call 'idolatory'. Please define idolatory if you don't mind. |
Delafruita: my intention was to highlight the fact that the yoruba belief system isnt confined to just folklore as many assume,but is been practice and most importantly,has proof for the existence of its godsTHAT IS THE SLAM I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DUNK IN NL. OURS ARE FOR REAL AND AREN'T DEMONS. |
davidylan: How does your neighbor going to church jeopardize you?@bolded Clever of you! Not when they are going to church. It is when they disturb me with the threat of going to Hell unless I stop listening to my hard rock and heavy metal and seek Jesus. It is when they wake my mum up from sleep around 4am from loud prayer shouting. When the church disturb my friend audio record session with ear-deafening heavy instruments and also the muslims aren't left out, infact they are the worst with their daily 4am saaaaaaafuuu. They just suddenly disturb the almost-dawn peace
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davidylan: Ridiculous.Clearly you don't understand what is a 'fallacy'. I never said 'deep-thinking' is exclusive to atheist alone. It takes deep-thinking to reason beyond the illogicalities, contradictions, flaws, dogmas and doctrines of religionists. And so far it takes atheism to do that. |
[quote author=Mr_Anony]Well my friend, the number of converts is irrelevant. The mere fact that people can convert and hold strong convictions without brainwashing and fear destroys the claim of this thread. Besides there are also varying reasons why people convert to atheism including indoctrination. case in point: the atheist states of Communist China and USSR.[/quote]China is a pagan nation. They have a believe system. Contrary to your illogical point up: Adherent of any religions always bear a REASON to convert. MacDaddy has reiterated those reason for atheist who have converted. |
lestat: mass effect3,streetfighterxtekken, soul calibur5, naruto shippuden generations, nba2k12, fifa12 on ps3Do you have the setup of the games you mentioned....I need battlefield 3 , crysis 1 and 2 , etc Is your rig a laptop or desktop? If its a desktop did you coupled it up or ready made? If its a laptop what the make and model I have modern warfare 3, Do u have RAGE? |
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