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[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]yes i am aware. i am a Pagan but i speaking truthfully from my point of view. it is very much possible that jesus existed because there must be some leader who is behind all this fraud, i am sure.[/quote]There is not even a shred of truth anywhere. Talking about the holy grail or spear of destiny is total bull faeces. How can you - a pagan, think there ought to be some leaders behind the fraud. Are you aware that your supposition implies that there's the real truth somewhere, which was later covered by certain people you refer to as "leader". Nah! I ain't buying that. Let me ask you...why would they want to cover up the real truth about Jesus? What do you think they stand to gain by manipulating the hidden truth to disseminate what you call 'fraud'? See, I think wherever you must have read such Conspiracy in Christianity, it is still an attempt to give validity to any aspect of the religion. To me, Jesus is a result of a well planned fabrication. Period. The African Afrocentric Bible even made fine attempt to link Jesus and Biblicacy to Africa, a bull faeces.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]the jesus in india is bullc.rap. i doubt he even had the time to make such a long journey and survived, that aso with a wooden boat as used then. and remember there was no Suez Canal unless he went all the way to East Arabia and managed to survive the treacherous crossings of rub-al-khali dessert. also christianity never really got a firm foothold in India except small communities of syrian catholics in South India. christianity got its impetus mostly during bristish and portugues times 200 yrs back.[/quote]At bolded = very true.

Yet let me ask you; Who is actually responsible for the creation of Christianity?

Dipwater: What can u say about those people that claimed to have been to the occult world and have wrecked havoc in the lives of people .at the end they wuld attend a church vigil to destroy the xtians ,get over powered by the spirit of god and start confessing their deeds

They claim..isn't it? Anyone can claim anything. Such mofos are paid 'individual' who either had one or two knowledge of the occult or perhaps had dabbled in it before, but who later lost out, or wasn't satisfied with expected outcome, only to find themselves accepted by the Church, or by clergymen to be further used as an instrument to consolidate the pseudo powers of miracle performing pastors and faith healers and also to preach against anything traditional wrongfully called 'occult'.

I use to ask a pal, why do we always hear about men of clothes performing miracles here and there in Nigeria while its is rare in countries where the religion originated from?

The answer is two ways

1. Most are fake and premeditatedly stage-managed.

2. The very few others uses 'African' supernatural powers to conduct the so-believed miracle from God on the gullible observable by the congregation while Jesus/Yaweh takes the credits, otherwise they won't be buoyant if the real truth was told. A brainwashed Christian would regard whatever source your powers is from, as satanic if you can't present it as to be from God(Jeovah/Yaweh) or Jesus.

If you use genuine afohse mixed with whatever mumbo-jumbo to command a blinded person to see, fools will believe and accept you if the power is presented in a way to be from God (Yaweh/Jeovah), but if the miracle is acknowledged to a 'babalawo' or an 'onisegun', they brainwashed congregations would reject it, relating it to satan/devil power, with Stupid statement as 'what satan give, he will collect back, claiming it won't last' as if they've seen the devil before.

However, said power too is from God but not the megalomaniacal Yaweh/Jeovah, but from Olodumare (commander of the 400 irunmoles or deities) who puts the ashe in all the ewe and egbo used by the babalawos and onishegun in their discipline, also it is Olodumare who gives the knowledge of these powers to Babalawos thru Orunmila(custodian of Ifa) and Shokpona(irunmole of medicine/esoteric knowledge). Point is - African Power do exist but are bivalent, use it for good or bad...the choice is yours.

Dipwater: Xtians painted in the minds of people the picture of occultism as something that has to do with demons and the worship of the devil

The christians missionaries truly did such damage and many more to distort our culture, re-paint our traditions to mean whatever they thought of it, leaving the rest to 'Give a dog a bad name, and it will hang'.

Your understanding of the occult might not be the same as mine, even if so, I still try as much as possible to avoid that term due to its common usage to connote evilry and diabolical thoughts.

MacDaddy01: Guy, if you dont believe the supernatural in the bible why do you believe African magic?

https://www.nairaland.com/993499/where-occultists#11512588

MacDaddy are you aware there are two types of magic?

There's the supernatural/ritual magic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_%28paranormal%29 (which atheist, skeptics, stage-magic-performer like Randi and co love to debunk as untrue but certain few scientist venture to study)

and there is the purpose of entertainment/amusement magic, i.e. the illusional/trickery/Stage-performing magics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_%28illusion%29

If you are referring to the former, as to why I believe in the supernaturality of the African magic (not that Southern Nigerian culture-bastardizing cable channel), specifically the Yorubas, then I'd say because I have seen it worked before.

Have you witnessed a heavy street brawl before where one of the 'agbero' fighters get slashed several times with a machete and it doesn't penetrate at all??

Abyjah: I'm open to any form of genuine wisdom, Master Ghostofsparta , *bows reverently*. At least, we got to have faith in our own things nah, and not always in foreignized ones.

Subscribing.

Guys, wait till I post a thread on Yoruba Advanced Sciences, I'm still developing it. It's quite technical and complex to put in text. There we could discuss the occult Negro Advanced Science in length.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]no i think its much more than that. it all starts with moses. he was the first to stray from the path of normal working order of Pagan religion and he transformed the hebrews into monotheistic jews. now as evil breeds more evil, each generation stronger and more powerfully evil than the previous one, the birth of christianity was inevitable. jesus it seemed wanted to stray further than moses. uptil than religious conversion in any denomination was out of the question. however, jesus wanted to ensure that evil reached every home in the world. he was also a magician, fooling crowds with pety magic tricks and illusions.[/quote]Are you aware that your argument above indirectly gives credence to their existence. It's has been a long debated issue among historians and christian theologians regarding whether Jesus ever lived or not in relation to the fact that no extra-biblical records or relic is availble to acknowledges it. Reads such as 'Jesus In India' is worst than what is considered a factoid.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]Is Judaism the real culprit for giving birth to 2 of the naughtiest religions in the world: c___________ & i_______ .


and yes. i am back after a long break. Beware.[/quote]What events impregnated Judaism to conceive those two beasts? Roman Fall? Petulant Juice? Fear of Yaweh wrath?

@Abyjah

Don't waste your time, anything about white occultic knowldge is bogus, phoney, tainted and misleading. Those books you cited are 'Bleep.ed up'. If you really do have interest in the occult, try to classify, understand, theorize the laws of Yoruba advanced sciences aka ishegun. Let's start with kanoko or ayeta.

I'm still amazed no one has mentioned any of the F.E.A.R. series - First Encounter Assault Recon : a splendid combination of action and horror! Its way better than Doom and Half Life.

davidylan: And u know this from what empirical evidence?

Why don't you go ask NASA astonomers/astrologers, if you can't atleast google your answer.

davidylan: You know next to nothing.

1. The big b[i]a[/i]ng = random chaos... i'm not shoving it down your throat... you're the one making the claim.

2. The ice age began 2.6m years ago. The bible events took place 6000 years ago... perhaps that is why you dont see T-rex in the bible?

The big bang isn't some random chaos, a so super-duper-ultra-dense matter got extremely compacted to an unfathomable size and so it exploded with a sound 'b4ang!'.

Random = no pattern
Chaos = no order

So WTF are you saying at your bolded tautology?



Some cosmologist have it that after the big b4ng was 'chaos' and not your big b4ng = random chaos.

MacDaddy01: Guy, forget supernatural. Its all in our minds

Guy me I be researcher o!.

Supernatural dey where e dey o.

Illusion/trickery requires the mind to bemuse it observer, supernatural doesn't not

Ishilove: Like an ax-head floating up from under still waters, I slowly came awake this morning. As I stirred, I clearly heard a voice crying out from somewhere, "as a hart pants after the brook, so does my soul pant for you,o Lord".

Puzzled, I opened my eyes. Where did the voice come from,I asked myself? It sounded like it had come from a separate entity. It suddenly dawned on me that it came from deep within ME. It was so clear,I have never experienced such all my years on earth.

My spirit,crying out for its Maker...

We are indeed just vessels. The real 'us' are our spirits. Many a time we feed our flesh, but neglect to feed our spirit, forgetting that our spirits need even more nourishment than our bodies because our spirits are the direct link to the One for whom we live and exist for; YHWH.

I am so guilty of this

I had to go in search of that verse because it has been such a long time since I had read that particular psalm-Psalm 42 vs 1.

If ^^^ is really true.

Then its your mind at play.

Mine is within my control now, I have reconfigured an unidentified active portion of my mental self (conscious mind) to reply intelligently back to me when posed a question, now we discuss intellogically, though rarely.....I toyed with this to such an extent that I tend to think it inches away from pefection, point is - it communicate with me first at times. I think it has to do with the combination of intuition and self-communication depending on the state of mind....kind of like soliloquy of the mind.

I know my respond may sound very weird to you....but please don't tell me one demon or spirit will use it as a means to transmit evil thoughts to me....abeg!

And by the way, I'm still washing the car (I'm sure you know what I mean), I will send you the link when am though, ....its quite tough to put in text.

@topic
McDaddy...I'm exactly the opposite of you. I can't sleep with the faintest of light on. I have been condition to drift off in the dark. Now I love and embrace the dark. it is in the dark that am at my peak of imagination, creativity, answers, pensive especially with so blazing hard rock.....thanks to NEPA!

The only time I tend to sleep with the lights on is when I'm extremely exasperated.

Talking about fears. I fear nothing of the dark...its highly irrational.....though there was a period I almost relapsed into the fears of my own fearful thoughts... but thanks to Batman's “to overcome fear is to become fear itself”. I'v been able to inspire fear on myself in order to deal with it".

Yours is even small....today I laugh over myself because I still couldn't believe I was scared of flesh eating zombies for 7 years after watching George Romero first gore classic at a tender age. Man, that shit worried me. Now I bask in the imagination that gives me serious hard on when I visualize myself as lone survivor in world filled with raging zombies with some heavy GUNs. See! I have my own way of dealing with fear.

The only one I haven't overcome is the fear of Lizards. I might vanish if it walks on my skin. I have a friend whose own are roaches. As for me I can confront any wild carnivore than standing a common lizard.

As for the supernatural, as an african i belive in the supernatural but not the ones in Abrahmic religions.

davidylan: I rarely give more than a passing glance to the comments of someone who had no idea what the term "missing link" refers to in the context of evolutionary theory. Unfortunately there is no icon for rolling the eyes. It would have been a perfect response to this waffle.

Let me humor you... did your random chaos create the T-rex?

Don't shove 'random chaos' down my throat. If you are referring to the Bing B4ng/evolution, yes it did. Afterall, the bible writers never saw that coming, else they would have somehow inserted these Jurassic complex multi-cellular creatures into the book, weaving it around a fictional tale of how a bokoramite fought with one great leviathan/behemoth, and please don't tell me T-rex is the dragon the Bible was talking about.

davidylan: Lets be clear... your post was incomprehensible. Its got nothing to do with my ability (or inability to) deal with it. There was just nothing that warranted a credible response.

If you are truly sincere about my post to be 'incomprehensible' then I'm sincerely left to think you lack deductive reasoning. No offence intended.

2 factual scientific truth that conflicts with creationism.

Let me ask you one thing...did your creator made the T-rex?

davidylan: this, a supposed response to deepsight's short but insightful questions, is quite pathetic.

As pathetic as you are unable to deal with it.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]My friend, Yes I haven't bothered to look for "discrepancies" because they don't affect my faith. This doesn't mean I should Immediately accept something that is contested as fact. If you want to disprove the bible, come up wit absolute proof. A bunch of maybes and maybe nots is simply not good enough.[/quote]Define faith ?

Just want to know if your def would sync with my understanding of the 'religious term' ?

Delafruita: you admitted on the other thread that the date of his birth isnt important since your focus is his message.that shows me you have probably never pondered this discrepancies and now that you're faced with them,you cant find any satisfactory proof in all your search to indicate the discrepancies to be false.rather,theologians have looked for every means of correlating the two accounts.
i dont need to prove the first 3,the bible already proves its own discrepancies.
try as they may,theologians wont be able to explain the discrepancy which then puts every other part into contention

I'm sure you meant Christian theologians.

And also a lot of religionists don't read extra-biblical books on the history of the biblical periods.

Till tomorrow the Bible hasn't identified which Pharaoh persecuted the Jews. Pseudo-claim. Egyptians recorded the names of all their Pharaohs. Ifa ri Awo! Lol!

jackbauersballs: Why are people just banging on about 'Haters'?

Taste in Music is a personal preference no?

If I feel Dbanj messed up on the track(Which he did by the way), can I not express such an opinion without fear of being Labeled a Hater(Which I'm not)?

I listen to a lot of heavy metal,should I call you a hater If you don't like it?

And for f**cksake shymmex, why tribalize music preference again?

I listen to hard rock and heavy metals a lot, what artistes / band are your favourite?

Billyonaire: Can the UK judicial system tell us what they spent the money on ?

Same here too. After reading the news, I just wonder what could possibly demand such whooping amounts in judging a court case. Logistics? Hiring of forensic account auditors/investigators?...I'm still wondering unless except the news is fake. Someone should kindly give us a clue.

Deep Sight: As far as I am concerned, the age of the earth cannot accommodate the timespan required for -

1. Chemical elements to form the supposed first-unicellular-life and -

2. Unicellular life to develop into super-complex creatures such as humans.

- - -> If it is assumed that there is no intelligence or guidance behind the process.

GhostOfSparta: How long does it take a lava to mature into a butterfly?

RELIGION APOLOGIST: Dude, are you daft? Why bring a butterfly into the picture? Is it as super-complex has the human we are talking about here. I used the word 'develop', not mature.

GhostOfSparta: If by 'develop' you meant evolve (implying that unicellular cannot develop to complex creature), then God's(Yaweh/Allah) instant creation of all creatures including the pterodactyl and butterfly contradict the scientific truth that:

1. The butterfly must pass through a evolutionary-cycle of egg->larva->pupa->adult(butterfly). Please don't argue that God created the egg first, otherwise that will conflict with Bible's age of the earth if we were to go by another scientific fact that

2. The earliest known butterfly fossils date to the mid Eocene epoch, between 40–50 million years ago.

RELIGION APOLOGIST: *scratching head*

davidylan: Please obviously this is not your own work since you dont know anything. It might be helpful if you add a reference for this copy-paste job.

ofcourse not my write-up. I never said it is. Davidylan why are you always antagonistic towards me.

My bad for not inserting the link to the source. I forgot to do that while editing ba•ng to b4ng because its annoying when the bots replaces it with slam.

davidylan: Substituting one "myth" for another?

Davidylan I would like us to learn from each other. Please educate me on what is a 'myth'?

thehomer: Well not really because the term "missing link" usually refers to fossils and what we're talking about are genomic changes that the missing link would have probably also possessed.

I have a theory as to why there's a missing link. I personally think It has to do with what I call exter-celestial contact. Erich Von Danicken did a lot of studies and research, decoding ancient relics, antiques, monoliths, etc whose origin even natives aren't not too certain of except to worship, all in a bid to establish the fact that super advanced being/entities may be responsible for our form of evolved being - homo sapien. I think, perhaps the acceleration of human evolution is the missing link. Ancient Yorubas' knew through Ifa about irunmole (also known as orisha in another context) Irunmole meaning - awon eni Orun ti wan wa mo ile aiye - supernatural deities/brings who from the sky came to earth for various purpose. Obatala the irunmole tasked by Olodumare to create humans according to ifa may perhaps did several lab experiment before it got it right....Ifa states Obatala was drunk while creating human hence various diversity and shapes and types. I might just be wrong, but strongly feels Erich von Danicken himself and his research/findings shouldn't have been considered fringe among mainstream science.

The missing link I'm talking about does not necessarily pertains to Palaeontology.

davidylan: and i suppose you can simply substitute that with pseude-scientific myth?

^same childish tactic I was pointing at.
Avoiding a direct question by indirect questioning.

I ask once more:

If are so certain the study of genetics negates the idea connecting the origin of man (homo-sapien) to evolution...then what do you advocate as the origin of mankind?

I could provide options if you want.

Ishilove: Indeed I am a staunch follower of Christ,but it dosent stop me from being interested in African culture and traditions

Fair enough.

I could have just culled most of my would be explanations from a lengthy write-up I have been composing for 3 years now...titled: `Why I Am Not Yet An Atheist' but I lost the file to the thief who stole my laptop.

I need to go wash mom's car right now, afterwards, give me an hour or three to type it. I will post the link to the thread when I create it.

Ishilove: Please do me a personal favour and create a separate thread discussing this. I AM VERY interested

I just recently discovered from your profile topics and posts that you are staunch christian proselytiser. I falsely assume you are just someone who just wanted to learn from divergent views.

[quote author=Area_boy]even Kent Hovind explained this discrepancy with Noah's ark!.. have you ever choked laughing? I almost died that day

They have no logical explanation for anything. I wonder why they always try to make sense of their religion when the only way that can be done is by faith.

they should stick to blind faith and let us be [/quote]They won't let us be unless we create a human. So did one countered me years ago.

Ishilove: I'll get back to the rest of your claims,but first I'm 'asking', so hit me.

I'm glad you ask. Sorry I took this long to reply, been busy replying religionists.

Talking about MYSTERY, shei?

We all know science differs from the subject of 'supernatural', particularly the supernatural claims of the abrahamic religions - Christianity, Judaism and Islam which have been debunked times without number.

The supernatural claim I will be using as an instance is from our own belief-system. There is an aspect of Ifa called 'ishegun' (craft of ogun).

*Not Ogun the deity or Ogun state nor ogun(medicine).

Ogun is falsely called juju/charm/amulet purported to bring about supernatural results. The ishe-ogun is what I call Yoruba Advance Sciences and the end product YAS. Many youth prefer to call it 'jaz'.

To go into the intricacies of how it work (a research I personally undertook and still study, in a scholarly sense, rather than practical) would be completely off-topic as it's quite complex to explain. To do that I will have to create another thread for that if you want me to, so let me just give you a realistic instance of how it does relates to MYSTERY.

The ancient Yorubas i.e. Pagan Yorubas of Old needn't one Isaac Newton to explain to them about gravity. They understood the physical laws of gravity. Consider the Yoruba proverb; “lala' tio ba re oke, ile ni mbo” meaning ('lala' [very light flake] that goes up, it's bound to come back down). They understood the physical laws of nature to such a degree that, through the knowledge of Ifa they knew reality transcends what our 5 senses could detect.

In ishegun, a branch of Ifa that deals with 'supernatural magic' (not illusional magic used in the professional field of entertainment/amusement by stage magicians, escapologist, illusionist, mentslist, etc) an onishegun (a practitioner of ishegun) knows what to incantate into an object to make it remain suspended in thin air when thrown up. That is supernatural because it such act as defied 'law of gravity'. This I have seen. To understand what makes it work would remain a mystery only to those who don't know how modern science can be utilizs to help understand/analyse it, which is not only where I come in but also what drives my interest.

noetic16: Your IGNORANCE was exposed with your tails running behind your legs. Be humble to admit that DS has educated you and let us all move on . . . .

Another religionist apologist wannabe.

If God breathed 'life' into Adam and Eve to make them 'alive' and 'conscious'...who/what breathed 'life' into animals to make them 'alive' and 'conscious'. Don't tell me its God (Yaweh/Jeovah/Allah) because

1. He has to do that to all kinds of animals, including the dinosaurs

2. There is no record in the Bible that he did no.1

I hope you don't feel too trapped.

I await your answer, no matter how ridiculous it may sound.