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@Everybody

Hmmmmmmm. At the begining of his thread, on page 1 (it took me about a weekt o read it all, 'cos of work) their was a very pragmatic fellow by the name LOGICAL. He asked some very fundermental questions about terrorism and nobdy seemed to follow his line of thinking and unfortunately, he left the thread. I guess he quickly figured out that we all have our mindset fixed and are not open minded (no offence ment). I'll implore all of us to keep an open mind to my viewpoint.

Is Terrorism A Muslim Problem? NO, Why?

"Terrorism is a term used to describe violence or other harmful acts committed (or threatened) against civilians by groups or persons for political, nationalist, or religious goals. As a type of unconventional warfare, terrorism means to weaken or supplant existing political landscapes through capitulation, acquiescence, or radicalization, as opposed to subversion or direct military action."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

First of all, can we proof that there are no terrorism acts before Islam came into being? If you remember, the Isrealites were Terrorised by Pharaoh in Eygpt for about 40 (or is it 400)yrs! Now don't tell me that he got the instruction from the Qur'an like you're suggesting all terrorists use as their justification. It was also reported that Moses killed an Egyptian. Again, this couldn't have been inspired by Islam.

Now more recently, there have been many terror attacks all over the world. But somehow its seems the one done by some group of people (I don't want to call them muslims just like christians will not call everybody who profess the name of Jesus as christians) catch the attention most. But why should that be?

JosBoy4Lif raised a point & it gives one the impression that one terror action is permitted and the other is not?

@Havila
Do your research well, and you will know that the early 'Holy Crusaders' were not 'crusading' in the name of Christianity but for the political expansion of the Roman empire and/or other empires"

On the contrary Havila, the early crusade were actually conducted in the name of chritiandom!! Checkout the quote and link below

"The Crusades were a series of military campaigns conducted in the name of Christendom and usually sanctioned by the Pope. They were military campaigns of a religious character typically characterized as being waged against pagans, heretics, Muslims or those under the ban of excommunication. When originally conceived, the aim was to recapture Jerusalem and the Holy Land from the Muslims while supporting the Byzantine Empire against the "ghazwat" of the Seljuq expansion into Anatolia, "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade


So, if this is true, then why is it that we don't here about them. Well one of the reasons is as stated by Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting. In their article "Down the Memory Hole: Israeli contribution to conflict is forgotten by leading papers"

Here are some qoutes from that site just in case your're too busy to visit the link

[b]"In the wake of the most serious outbreak of Israeli/Arab violence in years, three leading U.S. papers—the Washington Post, New York Times and Los Angeles Times—have each strongly editorialized that Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon were solely responsible for sparking violence, and that the Israeli military response was predictable and unavoidable. These editorials ignored recent events that indicate a much more complicated situation.

    In the wake of the most serious outbreak of Israeli/Arab violence in years, three leading U.S. papers—the Washington Post, New York Times and Los Angeles Times—have each strongly editorialized that Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon were solely responsible for sparking violence, and that the Israeli military response was predictable and unavoidable. These editorials ignored recent events that indicate a much more complicated situation.

    Let's go on a brief excursion into pre-history. I’m talking about June 20, 2006, when Israeli aircraft fired at least one missile at a car in an attempted extrajudicial assassination attempt on a road between Jabalya and Gaza City. The missile missed the car. Instead it killed three Palestinian children and wounded 15.

    Back we go again to June 13, 2006. Israeli aircraft fired missiles at a van in another attempted extrajudicial assassination. The successive barrages killed nine innocent Palestinians.

Now we're really in the dark ages, reaching far, far back to June 9, 2006, when Israel shelled a beach in Beit Lahiya killing eight civilians and injuring 32.

That's just a brief trip down Memory Lane, and we trip over the bodies of twenty dead and forty-seven wounded, all of them Palestinians, most of them women and children, "[/b]
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2928

Ladies and Gents, these things and many more you don't get to read or hear often 'cos they've all gone like the title of the article gone Down the Memory Hole!! Here are a few dig ups exhumed from the intenet.

UN post
Israel violates Lebanese air space despite existing regional tension - UN envoy:
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=8535&Cr=lebanon

Common Dreams organisation
Attack Iran the Day Iraq War Ends, Demands Israel (Quote of ISRAEL’S Prime Minister Ariel Sharon even though Iran hasn't done anything except that it plans to generate electricty from neucler and IAEA has up till today yet to find any diversion to making nuclear bombs)
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1105-02.htm

King David Hotel bombing:
"The King David Hotel bombing (July 22, 1946) was a bombing attack against the British government of Palestine by members of Irgun — a militant Zionist organization.
The Irgun, dressed as Arabs, exploded a bomb at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which had been the base for the British Secretariat, the military command and a branch of the Criminal Investigation Division (police). 91 people were killed, most of them staff of the secretariat and the hotel[1]: 28 British, 41 Arab, 17 Jewish, and 5 other. Around 45 people were injured."

Timeonline
British anger at terror celebration (It is bad enough to blow up a hotel, you'll agree with me that it is even worse to celebrate it 60years after! Please read) AS ISRAEL wages war against Hezbollah “terrorists” in Lebanon, Britain has protested about the celebration by right-wing Israelis of a Jewish “act of terrorism” against British rule 60 years ago this week.

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The list goes on. (disclaimer, none of the site references above are anonymous like my sister babyosisi have been giving, they're all credible and live western-not arab weblinks)


BACK TO THE TOPIC: Is Terrorism A Muslim Problem?

Be sincere with yourself. I think it is a global problem and should be treated as such. Attacks on small countries should not be waived and swept under the carpet, that will be unjust. And where ever you don't have justice, their can't be peace. The best you can have is GRAVEYARD peace.

As for the attacks in the north, unfortunately most of the early contributors seems to have closed their eyes to the fact that even muslims who are not northerners also suffer the same fate. So, of all the Quranic verses you have qouted earlier in the thread which one can justify this barbaric act? And Yet again you failed to mension that their were repraisal attacks by christians in the south!

forgiven:
Do I need the service of a stockbroker to buy shares from the NSE?

Yes, you need a stock broker to buy/sell shares on the NSE. Individuals are not allowed to trade directly on the floor of the exchange

forgiven:
What's the charges of a stockbroker like? They charge in percentage of your deals or how?[/b]Thank you as your help me grow in the share biz.

Yes they charge in percentages, typically about 4% of your deals, sometime less than that depending on your broker.

A list of the dealling members of the NSE can be found at: http://www.nigerianstockexchange.com/exchange_members.jsp

[b]But pls always do your home work and check very well before you give your money to the firms listed on that page.

Good luck

For those staying outside Lagos, you can go to any branch of FCMB and ask for the nearest office of CSL arround your area

CSL Stockbrokers Limited, its a subgroup of First City Group. You can check them out here http://www.firstcitygroup.com/newfcmb/csls.asp

alexitotee:
Seun, other, pleaseeeeeeeee.
I'm new in share-biz, please help me, how do i get a good broker, and how easy with it be for some of us that don't stay in Lagos to be good in the biz.

Well, I know for sure that many stock broking firms have offices (or at least agents) in most of the state especially state capitals like Akure (I guess that's where you are). The broking firm I now use is part of group of  companies with a popular bank in Nigeria and I guess they should have a branch office in many parts of the country.

You can also go to zenithsecurities as adviced by Kg I'm sure they should be virtually everywhere

kg:
This is a site that could be of help http://www.zenithsecuritiesng.com/

You will always know the stocks that are performing, gainers and losers and more on daily basis.

Every firm has its rules in terms of minimum investment (N250,000 for my new firm) & the amount they charge as commission.

Advice, ask and be certain on the commision they charge and how soon they can effect your orders. Never be in a rush, take your time and do your home work.

Another question from a beginer: I've been buying stocks for a little while now & I decided to change my broker when it took him 2 weeks to effect my sell order during the bull period in July. My new broker now effects my buy order in 2-4 days. However, he never buys at the closing price! I asked to explain why & the reason he gave is that they (the stock broking firm) slots in the customer's order in the day bidding process. Thus, they end up buy somewhere between 'Today's low' and "Today's High'.

My question now is, is this normal or am I being ripped off? My formal broker always buys at the closing price. I always confirm from the newspapers and daily stock quotes from CTSL.

Hello All, I see this debate is quite hot. Pls permit me to chip in a new dimension b4 its too late. I have a lot of respect for the Americans but unfortunately they have cruel humans (if they are at all) at the healms of affairs. Surely Bush was wrong and should if possible be made to face the full consequences of his major mistakes.

Somehow, my concern has shifted from the tragedy in Iraq to another looming catastrophy in Iran. The White House is preparing to lunch a nuclear attack on that country. It sound like a paradox to me that the prolifiration of nuclear bomb will be checkmated by another nuclear bomb attack.

", The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney’s office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites, "http://www.amconmag.com/2005_08_01/article3.html

That site might look old but you'll be shocked to know that the  cards are still on the table. In a recent article by Seymour Hersh (award winning investigative journalist and a regular contributor to the New Yorker Mag.) "THE IRAN PLANS" “Nuclear planners go through extensive training and learn the technical details of damage and fallout—we’re talking about mushroom clouds, radiation, mass casualties, and contamination over years. This is not an underground nuclear test, where all you see is the earth raised a little bit, ,  http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact"

The excuse they give is that Iran is on the verge of making a nuclear bomb, even though the country has consistently deny it and according to CNN "Iran has announced it will allow foreign tourists to visit its nuclear facilities -- a novel approach to calming the world's fears about its nuclear program. http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/09/insider.irantourism/index.html"

I'm tempted to ask how much civil can a facility be if it can be open to tourists? I know alot of people will not by that. I am certainly the last that will ask the world to close its eye on such an issue. But the well respected I.A.E.A (International Atomic Energy Agency) said it has so far found nothing to suggest that Iran is close to making nuclear bomb. Just like they said in the run-off to the ivasion of Iraq.  The Agency turned out to be right. Not even the White House has come forth with concrete evidence. Yet, they have already started the process of rocking the peace in that country. In the earlier article by Hersh, he said

"If the order were to be given for an attack, the American combat troops now operating in Iran would be in position to mark the critical targets with laser beams, to insure bombing accuracy and to minimize civilian casualties. As of early winter, I was told by the government consultant with close ties to civilians in the Pentagon, the units were also working with minority groups in Iran, including the Azeris, in the north, the Baluchis, in the southeast, and the Kurds, in the northeast. The troops “are studying the terrain, and giving away walking-around money to ethnic tribes, and recruiting scouts from local tribes and shepherds,” the consultant said. One goal is to get “eyes on the ground”—quoting a line from “Othello,” he said, “Give me the ocular proof.” The broader aim, the consultant said, is to “encourage ethnic tensions” and undermine the regime. "

The least we can do is to pray for the democrates for God to lead them so they can give the world some peace. b'cos this war won't do anybody any good and in some quaters it is called the "Armageddon" b'cos of the impact it will has not only on the stability in that region, world economy, but also the world existence