₦airaland Forum

pilgrim.1:
This one just made me laff, no be small!
@gists,
Lol. . . but nobody ever said I was going to refer you to a link authored by a "Jewish" atheist, abi? No be you say make we read the article from the atheist wey you quote earlier? Haba!!
Hehe. . . wait first, did he sound like he was making it a Muslim "propaganda"?

_{Must I explain everything?} Just what makes u think I was refering to your proposed article? Why would u post an article from whoever (atheist, budist, krishna, . . .) that'll support islam? My dear it was an indirect way of making you have that thinking. David got the message

davidylan:
If truly islam is genuine . . . the perfect test of it is that it will shine through even when you claim it is under attack.

And it has been doing that for a long time and it will continue insha Allah. Just imagine how Islam is spreading against all the odds. The US, europe and other parts of the world are living testimonies. May I ask under who's sword are people in various part of the world (U.S inclusive) converting to Islam today?

davidylan:
It was not muslim propaganda, it was a deliberate muslim attack.

Chief, there are tones of video documentories made by the Americans themselves (largely non muslims if I may add) and freely available on the net that proves you wrong beyond any reasonable doubts.

davidylan:
Isnt it funny that when muslims run out of lies to tell they start telling us "the discussion is leading nowhere"?

I've saying this is leading nowhere from the begining (and its a fact), and i have never told any lie.

Must these freaks always show up their face when pple are having a healthy discussion? If I had never related with any xtian, one whould have concluded that that's what you ppl are-FREAKS. You certainly are not a posting a nice image of you brethren. I'm sure Jesus will be so much dissapointed in you. Besides what wrong so bible-specific with the first post. I've had it for months on my mobile as a text msg.

No argument with you here dav, so I'll just ignore ur reply.

_{Just thinking . . .(why would a Jewish atheist write in favour of Islam )}

davidylan:
Gist . . . its high time you realised that since 9-11, many of us have stopped believing the deceitful propaganda machine of islam anymore.

I was hoping to put an end to this ping-pong because its obviously leading nowhere, but for that statement above. Please pardon my ignorance. Are you suggesting that 9/11 was a muslim propaganda?

davidylan:
While Uri Avnery talks of a "booming period of Jews" in muslim-conquered Spain and Jerusalem he convenient forgets to remind us of the dhimmi tax and slavish conditions christians and muslims were forced to live in under islamic rule.

You didn't read the article dav against my advice. Your statement above shows it. And talk of propaganda, who uses the western media machine to slander Islam and others more than the christians?

@pilgrim.1
Here's an extract from an article I read some time ago, from a neutral person. But please read the whole article from the link provided not just the extract.

Muhammad's Sword
Why did Pope Benedict utter these words in public? And why now?
by Uri Avnery _{(an atheist)}

. . . . Every honest Jew who knows the history of his people cannot but feel a deep sense of gratitude to Islam, which has protected the Jews for fifty generations, while the Christian world persecuted the Jews and tried many times "by the sword" to get them to abandon their faith. . . .
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3338

May I also ask where did the muslims attacked the Jews and the christians first and unprovoked? Careful with your Qur'anic quotes, they've been proven to be uninformed.

pilgrim.1:
@gists,
If quoting a particular verse does not help until the whole Qur'an is quoted, would that help or change anything that Muhammad actually accused the Arabs of being the "worst in unbelief and hypocrisy"? Some Muslims would say that was during the time of "ignorance" - if that were so, what do Arabs have to do with 'Allah' before Muhammad started preaching Islam? And how would 'Allah' have made the Arabs remain in a period of "ignorance" until Muhammad had to accuse them with such language before they became enlightened?

Nobody is asking you to quote d whole Qur'an, verses  x-1, x, x+1, should surfice. And the half sentence "worst in unbelief and hypocrisy" have just been explained to you above, and it was not an accusation but a statement of fact.

pilgrim.1:
Please excuse my unawareness; but where have Christians said craps like "we don't understand" when you asked them to read from verse 1 of the books of the Bible? Please could you point that out let's see?

Like I said earlier, don't want to overflog this. But U can save a lot of time and space by digesting previous posts well b4 replying

frgy_:
na waa o. so who will convince who now?
am sure both religions are not in support of such show of hatred in the name of argument.
moo na take am easy

She has long convinced me just like other xtians here have done long ago. Nothing new from her. And please bliv me I don't hate her or anybody for that matter. I work and relate seemlessly with christians and people of other faith both at work and at home. The religion section of nairaland seems to be the only place where the problem is and I'm sure you know why

mdsocks:
Next time Pilgrim read further and just don't quote verses with reading it fully.

009.099 But some of the desert Arabs believe in God and the Last Day, and look on their payments as pious gifts bringing them nearer to God and obtaining the prayers of the Apostle. Aye, indeed they bring them nearer (to Him): soon will God admit them to His Mercy: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

No way!! Its too much of a task to read just one or two verses down. They just want to pick a verse or preferably a half sentence from the Qur'an. But when we quote their book and ask them to read from verse 1, they turn around and say craps like we don't understand. Question is, is by quoting half a sentence or at best a verse that they'll understand? They're in my opinion a bunch of hypocrites and people of double standards. But I don't blame them

@Pilgrim.1
re-read verse Q4:90 (the four or five lines won't hurt you) and my explanations (though not comprehensive) and you'll find out that the muslims were attacked first (by whoever xtians, jews. . . . it doesn't matter). If Muhammed was violent and an opressor (as you have been programmed to bliv) he would hav fought with the christians and tha Jew upon arriving at Medinna after Hijrah. Question is why didn't fight them? Rather they coexisted peacfully. Why did he even had to leave his native home and travel in the first place? He had a choice of fighting at home where he and his followers were being persecuted. Afterall he had a few strong men- but he didn't.

Again I've done this b4 with the very same attitude from other xtians, so I'm not supprised at your responses

mdsocks:
pilgrim, most of the verse which states that kill are during war times that muslims were facing persecution.

You can read the following and Enjoy.

"He who believes in God and the Last Day should honour his guest, should not harm his neighbour, should speak good or keep quiet." (Bukhari, Muslim)

"Whoever hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys God." (Bukhari)

"He who hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state, I am his adversary, and I shall be his adversary on the Day of a Judgement." (Bukhari)

"Beware on the Day of Judgement; I shall mysefl be complainant against him who wrongs a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state or lays on him a responsibility greater than he can bear or deprives him of anything that belongs to him." (Al-Mawardi)

God bless you for those quotes, but I think their hearts are made up no matter what we say.

@pilgrim.1
maybe you should google christian missionaries attrocities.

For some reason I have a feeling that I'm one of the topmost people Allah is asking which of His favours can I deny. How else can I explain a regular university graduate (not first class, but 2-2) who never search for a job! A few months in my first work, I got two other offers in the same week! one is a telecom coy and the other an oil coy. I settled for the oil coy only (upon resumption) to be given a better salary than I negotiated without making any move. Some years after, their is down sizing (due to militant activities resulting in huge loses for the coy). But somehow, someway without pushing any button (at least I didn't ask for any human assistance) I survived the downsizing execerse.

That's why I choose surat'l Rahman. Looking back to many other of His favours too numerous to count (like escaping death many year ago), I see no reason why I should not serve HIM forever.

pilgrim.1:
@gists,
I should actually forebear; but a few things bring me back to respond to your summations.
I get your point.
However, whatever they were called (officially or unofficially), the point I made still stands: The Torah did not command the Jews to seek out Muslims (official or unofficial) and kill them whereever they are found[color=#990000][/color]. On the other hand, the Qur'an explicitly states by commandment that Muslims should kill Jews and Christians whereever they are found.

I don't want to overflog this cos its leading nowhere. But the hard undisputable fact is that both the Torah and the bible gave clear-cut commands to kill humans. Kill, slay, spear them not, smite, utterly destroy are some of the words used. Your argument that muslims are not mentioned hold no water at all. Kill is kill be it specifically muslims or not. I'm sure you are aware that those orders in your book also said in clear terms that women and children get no exemptions!! You're far more guilty of the crime you're accusing us of.

pilgrim.1:
Do you care to share some of these "LOTS" of historical antecedents with us, please?

I do have my facts before I requested you to offer something to substantiate your point. I don't seem to be able to find anything in HISTORY where Jews and Christians actually FIRST attacked Muhammad before he launched his attacks on them.

I've done that here on nairaland b4 and some of ur xtian friends can testify to it. Bliv me its no use trying to get u guys come to terms with the attrocities your early leaders committed (just as you find it difficult to accept the kill order in your books).

pilgrim.1:
But wait. For the sake of fairness, why is belloti free to post what others consider offensive; but Muslims can't endure the same thing served them?

Pls try and understand my point b4 replying so we both won't end up wasting time. For the sake of fainess, Belloti and everyone else (like I said in my last post) is free to start any thread but let them not make irrelevant off topic posts to on-going discussions thus making a nuisance of themselves. I think this is logical and straight forward enough.

Why Is Nigeria The Most Religious Country? I don't think Nigeria is the most religious country (we don't even come close). In my opinion Nigerians are just the most church and mosque goers. Otherwise how else do you explain the proliferation of the so called religous houses (both mosques and churches) and yet the basic teachings of the major religions does not reflect in our lifes!

pilgrim.1:
@gists,
In what significant way have you tried to establish any difference from the same point I pointed out earlier? Whether in name or not, Muslims scholars have always tried to noise it in our ears that there were Muslims BEFORE the emergence of the Jewish nation - or they would not have been speaking of another Abraham, would they?

The point is there were muslims before. That they were not officially called muslims (that's what I meant by "not by name" doesn't mean that there were none. And since they were not called so "officially" you can't expect to find the word muslim or islam in the Torah or bible. In the same manner you wont find the word christian nor christianity in the Torah since there were no christian at the time the Torah was reavelled. I'm not a very good teacher, but I hope you get the point.

pilgrim.1:
When I was a Muslim, that was what we were misled into believeing. Please show us WHERE in history it ever was that CHRISTIANS and JEWS ever came to fight Muhammad and his comnpanions? Was it not rather the other wya round - Muhammad wnet directly to them and belligerently sought to sack them from their own land - UNPROVOKED!!

Many, lots of it. be sincere enough to take it as a challenge and research it. But even in the last verse I quoted (Q4:90), you'll find out that the muslims were attacked first. ,,,,,or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people Meaning that there were those who actually approached them with the exact opposite kind of hearts i.e intent

pilgrim.1:
All the same, up until this very day, Muslims have been emigrating to non-Muslim nations - and they have been welcomed, benefitted, and no one has ever thought of maltreating them.
Please show me from HISTORY that Muhammad only sought to attack Jews and Christians after he was attacked by them. That's all I ask.

Are you sure, please check well o before u make general statements. Check please

pilgrim.1:
Okay, I understand your persuasions - and I agree with you that such things could really be annoying (even though I am no longer a Muslim).

On the other hand, please go through the motherboard, and you will have to ask yourself why the same poster (oga belloti) opened another thread to "prove" WHY CHRISTIANITY IS WRONG!!  Lol. . . I don't know how many people have actually been put off by that topic as well.

I am sure you'll agree with me that their is freedom of speech (and posting), Belloti and everyone is free to post any topic in the forum as long as there are people who want to discuss such topic without being annoyingly distracted. However, NOBODY should dillute an existing thread with totally irrelevant posts -its rude in my opinion. Their is a thread titled "Islam the religion of doom" and I'm sure there are people who are interested in discussing it. So let them discuss it without being distracted and let them satisfy themselves_{(I know it will not be productive because everybody has a mindset/opinion)}. I hope you get my point

pilgrim.1:
@gists,
Is it not Muslims themselves who have argued that there were MUSLIMS before Muhammad? Is it not Muslim scholars that have been propagating the same idea that the FIRST Muslim was ADAM (some say Abraham).

Pls read my post and understand expecially the one in red fonts

gists:
The first two verses could not have existed because their were no muslms then (at least by the name) and I don't know about the third verse you're talikng about in the Quran. You said it your self the way the Quran vies christians and Jew in your post

pilgrim.1:
A nice way of suddenly making out that you no longer remember the teaching of the Qur'an. Let's juggle your memory with just one of such numerous verses:

Qur'an 4 v 89

   They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve,
   that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends
   from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah;
   if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever
   ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them

Who exactly was the Qur'an asking Muslims to kill WHEREEVER they are found?

Yet a gain you have quoted just one verse of the Quran as usual why not take the pain and a little time to read from verse 87 to 90 you'll discover that Allah was talking about those who came to fight the muslims (whoever they are/were, be it christian, jews, idol worshipers etc) the buttom line is they came with the intent to wipe the muslims out and the muslims have the right to defend themselves.

Q4:90 Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah HATH OPENED NO WAY FOR YOU (to war against them).

My sis, pls take note of the last part of that verse which says Allah HATH OPENED NO WAY FOR YOU (to war against them). Meaning that their is chance for peace if only there are no aggressors. There are countless evidences in history where christians and Jews peacefully coexisted both under the leadership ofprophet Mohammed (SAW) and later under various Islamic leaders. On the contrary, there are many verses in the bible where God supposedly commanded Moses to UTTERLY DESTROY, SPEAR THEM NOT etc even children and women. I know you have a mindset about Islam which is a pretty urgly one. And I pressume (from past experience with xtians on nairaland) that you will retain that mindset no matter how hard we try.

pilgrim.1:
Please carefully look again in your statement. You may only be so desperate to wish away the facts that you begin to sound a bit mixed up. Is the Qur'an actually vying Christians and Jews - where did I say so in my posts? Or were you so desperate to hope that you will find it there?

what I had in my post is "You said it your self the way the Quran vies christians and Jew in your post" Its supposed to be VIEWS for that, I appologise for not reading through b4 posting hence the typos.

pilgrim.1:
I'm sorry - I didn't know that; and you may forgive my relative "recent" entry to the Forum (perhaps after you had been long on it). I could not have known.

Your relative recent entry is no fault of yours. A quick check at the total number of post I have proves that I'm a new poster too. Just that it can be annoying to see a topic like "Bounties Of Jannat" and all you see upon clicking is xtian hate all over. And as if those that are casting the stones are saints.

@pilgrim.1

pilgrim.1:
The world over, Muslims have proven that Islam is a violent religion by default. Even if the clerics on either side were to follow precisely what was commanded them in their holy writs, this is how it stands:

    ~ there are no verses in the Torah for Jews to kill Muslims

    ~ there are no verses in the Bible for Christians to kill Muslims

    ~ both in the Qur'an and Hadiths, 'Allah' commands MUSLIMS everywhere
       to kill BOTH Jews and Christians.

You may search till Muhammad turns in his grave for verses for the first two cases; but we don't need to look hard for verses for the thrid case.

I'm sorry this is not very intellectually challenging. The first two verses could not have existed cos their were no muslms then (at least by the name) and I dont know about the third verse you're talikng about in the Quran. You said it your self the way the Quran vies christians and Jew in your post

pilgrim.1:
for it is the same Qur'an that respects Christians are people who are "devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (Qur'an 5 v 82).

pilgrim.1:
The last time a Muslim (shawn123) tried to wave the lie in our face that the Qur'an has been exactly as Muhammad received it wthout a change anywhere in dot or letter, I simply requested him to turn his gaze to the facts. I am still waiting since the last time he logged out.

He probably left cos of the heap of hate yoou gys are spilling all over. I left too you know. And their's nothing to show you. The onus is on you to provide prove tho butress your accusations.

pilgrim.1:
WHY, O WHY did He not encourage them to use it when they weilding the swords?

Cos they were out-numbered and out-equipped. I beleive Bro Olabowale has provided sufficient explanations to that.

pilgrim.1:
That is why +osisi has asked you to please show where in the NT we as Christians are commanded to kill anyone for cursing father or mother. Have you found the verse? The point is that Christians do not need to CURSE their parents - go figure; and if you study the verses you are referencing,m you'd find that the CONTEXT is towards the JEWS, for Jesus was addressing JEWS and not CHRISTAINS!

And you think mathew and luke are part of the OT? I stand to be corrected I tot the NT is comprises of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, 1Corinthians, 2Corinthians, Galatians bla, bla, bla. Or have they been REVISED to the OT now?

pilgrim.1:
@gists,
The hypocrisy is in Muslims who argue that Jesus was making an express command to CHRISTIANS in the referred verses where He actually was addressing the JEWS in quoting EXODUS!

My sister pls get this right now, Jesus could not have been addressing the christians cos he never saw them!! Christianity/christians only came into existence about 40yrs after Jesus left. Its somewhere in the acts. The point is if you guys are sincere with yourself and Jesus as you claim to follow his teaching, you would do as he says and not try to manipulate and embelish a direct sentence.

pilgrim.1:
@gists,
Neither did He say that He came to re-enact the LAW. The fulfilling of the LAW is not the same thing as trying to re-enact, re-impose, or re-introduce the LAW. He came to fulfill the LAW

You only re-enact something that is dead/dormant. The law was always their, it just needs to be fulfilled. Hence, he came to fulfill them!! the words of Jesus are correct yet again

+osisi:
And exactly how many Christians have been put to death for cursing their parents?

I expect you to provide the ans. cos its in your book stated by your 1/3God. Maybe we should go memory lane and check the attrocities that were done by the early church leaders AGAINST THEIR FELLOW CHRISTIAN brethrens --so much for a peaceful religion._{sorry don't have time for that now}

+osisi:
You don't have the Spirit of God and try as you may,you'll never understand the Bible.

If you're refering to the spirit of the trinity, then I completely agree with you that I don't have it and guess what I DON'T WANT/NEED IT!! and I certainly won't waist my precious time time trying to understand a corrupted/fabricated and rank xeroxed collection books/letters

+osisi:
Now have you sat to ask yourself this very simple question.

How come Jesus asked his followers to buy a physical sword,they did not heed that command instead the Muslims not only bought swords but use it to snap the necks of their neighbours?

davidylan:
Olabowale stop making noise . . . the disciples bought no swords because they, unlike you blind hypocrites, understood that Christ was not refering to a physical sword there. Paul, Peter, James, John and co went about preaching the gospel . . . no where are we told they needed swords to force their message down the throats of converts.

Exodus 21: 17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

You guys are either a bunch of hypocrites, or unbelievably naive or you just don't read/understand your bible as you proclaim. I delibrately stopped at that verse. Now please read further to verse 38 (i.e Luke 22:38 and for God's sake read from verse 1 to get the whole picture). I'm sure you'll be surprised that THEY ACTUALLY GOT PHYSICAL SWORD!!!

davidylan:
As for GIST and his noise making on Matthew 15: 4 please christians shld kindly read from verse 1 to understand

Dav, read my previous posst again, I quoted verses 1-9 so we won't run the risk of quoting the bible oout of context. I didn't just quote verse 4 like most of you would pick a verse in the quran.

davidylan:
Also please note that Christ was not laying down a commandment there but was actually quoting verbatim from the laws of Moses in Exodus 21: 17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

Makes it even more weighty!! We're talking about a commandment in the OT (which many of you have turned away from) that is being referenced and quoted by your lord in the NT. Common this is the height of hypocracy and double-standard and it stinks cos you reject what Jesus said expecially when he used the word MUST. Remember what he said in Matthew 5:17-18 that he didn't come to abolish the laws but to fulfill them and now saying this again. Talk about a consistent and rightous man

And don't be suprised babs if they start telling us that Jesus (ASW) was talking about putting to death by/in the MIND just like they interpreted LUKE 22vs36 as sword of the mind when Jesus (ASW) asked the desciples to sell their cloak and buy a sword (I wonder how a thing of the mind can be bought with the proceeds from the sale of a material thing i.e a cloak). If he was arround 2day, he would have asked them to get an AK-47 or rocket launcher-of the mind  of course

babs787:

Christ was sinless,his preachings and life example was all love,he never killed or instructed anyone to be killed and his followers strive by His Spirit to live the same way.

Unless you want to tell me that God of the OT is different from NT. I have asked you that question but you waived it aside.

Sallam Babs, don't go that far to the OT cos most xtians have already denied it! (what hypocracy!) . I'll rather ask them to read the NT (already proven to be corrupt) which they hold dear to their hearts. Matthew 15:1-9. What did Jesus meant in verse 4 ,,,,,,,'Anyone who curses his father or mother MUST be put to DEATH.' (New International Version).
Most muslims in the world are law abiding but these xtian guys only want to see us by the action of the very few bad ones while they (xtians) are the chief terrorists. for example I clicked on this link cos of  the title and what do I see? We can't even hold a peaceful disscussion without being Bombarded.

focused:
@poster :

What handshake are you extending to all these psychotic donkeys ? They don't understand what peace is all about. Their language is violence, and nothing other than aggressive violence.

I agree with davidylan, that they should be flogged out.

They keep accusing US of so many things, but US has done a lot of good things for the betterment of the world we live in. Can the same be said of Saudi Arabia, who is hell bent on spending her resources on terrorism, just to make sure all countries in this world become an Islamic state.

Its been a long time I came here just because of people with big mouth but with little brains like u. Today Saudi Arabia is one of the biggest allies of the US (ask president Bush himself) so how can the former be sponsoring terrorists when the US has been on the fore front of fighting terrorism _{(Although I have my reservation on the US anti terror campaign)}

What do you have to say about the mosque in Cordoba, Spain that have been converted to church and moslims are denied to worship in it?

I salute Babayosi for the hand of friendship she extended, I wish there are more of such matured attitudes in this section

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I bliv we're all matured people and should behave as such. Various sections have been created by the admin and that should be respected. Meanwhile, no inssultive language pls

@adconline
Jusr for ur info. I'm a Yoruba guy and work with an oil servicing coy in PH (I hope that will not make U sick). Guess what? I was interviewed along side some of ur kin men. The interview was conducted by a white guy and one engineer who happens to be a native of warri. But thank GOD we still have such men in the country who will put tribalism into everything they do. Looking back, I realized that everyone that was employed (Yourbas, Igbo and some brilliant ND guys) was qualified and with some years of experience. Why don't just stop this rubbish and make urself employable.

@Seun
Why is this thread still on biz section? I think it should even be in the crime section for inciting Nigerians against ourselves

adconline:
We all know that most upstream companies are mostly foreign controlled or maybe a Nigerian stooge as chairman or MD. Common now, how many Nigerian companies are involved in oil exploration? How many of them have financial power to invest in a long term of crude oil exploration? If we like, let's keep calling names thinking that Niger Delta Issues will go away like those in this Govt thought. These Niger Delta fighters can paralyze Nigerian oil sector, then maybe we stop thinking Nigeria. We only think Nigeria when oil is concerned.
Some of these oil marketing companies were owned by the Government like AP and National Oil. The "Govt" sold to some of these rich men.

Why is it that their offices are located in Abuja and Lagos even though their raw material comes from Niger Delta?

Those guys are not fighers, they are criminals. Let's not make statement that tends to bolden the ND boys on their inglorious activities. Do you really think these guyz can hold the country to ransom?I just don't. Just that the gov has been careful to avoid another Odi saga. Yes, they'll blow up some installations but you know what the Nigerian Army can do to them. All the kidnapping they have done in the past, how many foreigners have they refused to released to show their seriousness? They're not fighting for the Niger Deltan, but for their pockets. Millions are paid to these guys to secure the release of the victims. So where do the money go? you may ask

Shell the biggest of the oil coys in Naija and the 2nd most riches establishment (well by my reckoning) _{FG being the richest} has its HQ in Port Harcourt, Rivers state and its headed by a brilliant chap named Basil Omiyi. He is from Edo.

Ladies n Gents, pls lets not start an e-civil war here. I've met counless of brilliant highlye ducated people from virtually all the tribes in this country. Besides, oil is not the ultimate. Check the richest countries in the world, how many of them depend on oil as the chief source of their wealth?

yemo:
@aylala2002
please can u tell me watz happening to conoil and oando shares, they are the worst set of shares i have ever bought(esp.oando). should i sell? close to three years now they have been averaging N70. need your advice

I  think the problem cuts across the petroleoum marketing sector (With exceptions to Eternal oil and Chevron Oil). I also bought some share in TOTAL many months ago @ 198, which as today closed @ 181.5. But I hope the sector will have some good turn around soon, else

@aylala2002, what do u think. The last time I Total release it result, it was in the red!!

Sorry oo I stand to be corrected. But none of these coys is government owned. They're all private coys and the CEO has the right to employ who ever pleases him. Afterall its still a free world. If U setup an oil coy today and call it adconline oil or I setup "GISTS Peetroleum"  why should U & I be probed for employing only from a certain tribes especially when they're qualified and competent.

You'll be beter off to shift your investigation to DPR, NNPC and NLNG etc

I tot it was BCC that gave a bonus of 1 for 8 (but no dividend) and WAPCO gave a dividend of N1 (but no bonus). I think U're right on the boom the building material sector is set to experience, but not so sure of CCNN. Anyway nice rightup.

What's the latest info on the merger between FBN and ETI. Is still on course or has it hit the rocks cos we don't seem to be hearing anything on that.

Cheers

Does anyone in the house have any info on the merger between Firstbank and ETI?

spicie:
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Hello spicie, would like to discuss something with you but your email add is hidden on your profile. So if you don't mind mail me at felameds@yahoo.com
Thanx

Thanx Loads
I'm aware it usually cost some fortune to buy PPs. Well, let see how it goes.

enolase:
Rough Cut,
A company does not have to be listed on the Stock Exchange prior to having a private placement.
There are a lot of companies whose shares were given away by private placement that are not even listed yet. Transcorp gave a private placement of =N=3 before it was listed.
Investors with the bucks do not wait for IPOs. They go for the private placements.
So my question is not out of place, OK?

Well what I don't know is that is it compulsory for a coy to first issue a Private Placement b4 coming out with IPO. If that's the case I might as well go for the PP (if min amount is within reach, any good guess?).

babalawo:
@ GISTS
To be frank with u i can say for now the exact pice of the share nor the proposed volume to be sold but am just pretty sure it will go for nothing less than 50naira if not more.even it it goes for that its will still be an investors delight.u have to be here in obajana to see things for your self its simple phenomenal
thank u

Thanks alot. Pls keep the house posted as soon as you have any info that'll be beneficial to all.

Regards

@babalawo,

Pls can you give us an idea of how much its going to cost per share and what the number of proposed units on offer.

Rgds
Gists

Hello all,

While my heart goes for land, the reality of the day in this country for an up-comming investor is that shares is the way to go. The reason is just cos of the HUGE capital required for land/real estate properties. awolumate said his friend has N300K. Can anyone in the house tell me where to get a plot of land for that amount in a resonable location and from genuine source (e.g government)? With shares (expecially like that of first bank with almost guaranteed average yearly bonus of about 1:4), you can build your wealth gradually, and when it grows to a certainn level, one can conviently divert to real estate.

@Frank,
I read somewhere where you said one can buy shares with different derivatives of your name in order to avoid not being alloted the full shares subscribed for. The question is if we take UBA or 1stbank as an example. Being an existing shareholder (with just one version of my name) and want to buy more from multiple brokers (using different derivatives of my name) in these hybrid offers, is that possible without having to lose the benefit of the right issue and how?

@all,
WAPCO or BCC which would you go for? pls advice (give reasons)