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jesusjnr:
You didn't need to say all that, because it can never negate the error of your idea that without Paul the gospel wouldn't have gotten to us gentiles.

Maybe you guys are following the teachings of Paul concerning that instead of the truth that he was just one of the those that God called for this purpose.

I mean how can you guys completely ignore things like the saying of the Holy Ghost Himself to separate Barnabas and Paul not just Paul:

Acts 13:2 (KJV)

2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

So what work was Barnabas being separated unto by the Holy Ghost, or is it because the work of Barnabas wasn't followed by the Bible?

How about people like Apollos? {Acts 18:24-25}

I mean the idea is so blatantly false!

But you can keep holding tight that error because that's what you would rather believe, even though it is as far from the truth as it can get.

Lastly you highly err to think that the Bible is God!

Have you read any of barnabas or apollos work? If you ha vs you will see that they all speak the same things. Hmmm. If after I said all I did and you dont understand I leave you in your confusion. There are other epistles that were left out. Bro they all say the same thing there r other books that didnt make it into the bible that should be there and I have read a couple. There all say the same things

If you can preserve your useless books that your author if man can collate and preserve do you think it small for Yahweh not to do His?

Take heed and dont speak of things that you know not. That you dont understand it does not mean it's not true.

jesusjnr:
Then can you explain what transpired in Galatians 2:11-14 where Paul was correcting those who were there before him concerning the Gospel of Truth as Peter who learnt directly from Jesus and Barnabas?

Even the same Bible you talk about contains some corrections to the teachings of Paul. You can go and read the book of James the brother of Jesus and tell me who he was correcting on Paul erroneous teaching of faith/grace over works?

That's three people before Paul who had a different view from him on that same topic.

And it's highly erroneous of you to think that it was just Paul who took the gospel to the gentiles. For the gospel had already gotten to the gentiles before Paul was converted by Jesus, because it was Peter that Jesus used in the instance of the centurion the first converted gentile not Paul.

And also tell me about who Barnabas was sent to, and even Peter who is credited to be the first bishop of the Catholic church in Rome. Is Rome a Jewish city for you?

How about John and others who had serious impact outside of Israel preaching the gospel of Christ, was it t the Jews and not to the gentiles that they was preaching to?

But y'all can continue in your sentimental views concerning the gentiles not being able to get the gospel of truth without Paul, even though it is absolutely false and baseless in truth.

Slow down champ. Firstly, the issue Paul had with Peter: We must first build a foundation. See Elohim chose the jewish race in a time when nations and people didnt worship him. He chose them through Abraham being the Father of the Jewish nation. The jews had laws and principles against mixing or even marrying gentiles. the Jews were separate. Now when, salvation came, the question arose of if the gentiles should obey the jewish laws. But they knew that these laws were local only to the jews. its like you being a yoruba man that already has its laws and rules and the messiah came through that race? Jesus was a jew, hence he went to the sabbath, he kept the feast days etc. so the same question arose. Now the issue with Paul and Peter was that Peter associated himself with the gentiles before certain jewish christain came from James then he separated himself from associating with the gentiles. the jews had laws against mixing with gentiles. So Paul reminded him that why do they have to treat gentiles like how it was told them in the law and why do they want the gentiles to obey the jewish law when even they apostles know that a man is not justified by the law but by faith Gal 2 vs 16.

Peter and every jewish christain initially had an issue with ministering to the gentiles. if yu recall, the issue of Cornelius, God tried to break that bond in Peter when he saw that vision and said he should kill and eat those animals. remember that the jews had food laws so God was trying to tell Peter that the barrier has been broken, the law is done. Even said his custome as is the jewish was not to come into the centurion house.

Now James saying that faith withou works is dead is in direct relation to what Paul preached. its the same Paul that listed the sins of the flesh. Paul rebuked the fornicator in the church at corinth all his epistles read that we must DO deeds befitting of faith. The message Paul preached is this. If you read the previous chapters he was explaining how the gentiles are grafted in how the promise made to Abraham of the Messiah was beneficial to the gentiles. i explained above that thre was a time were onl Israel served God. God made a covenant with them not with the gentiles. we all are spiritual israels so Paul was linking how we gentiles by FAITH are also part of Gods initial plan. he said that the promise was to Abraham and his seed when he was yet UNCIRCUMCISED (meaning he wasnt yet circumcised as the jews were the only group circumcized in their time, every other people are termed uncircumcised) so Pau was saying God considered the gentiles when he made that promise to Abraham. that God didnt make the promise when Abraham was circumcised being a jew so in other words the promise is not just for only the jews.

Just like how Abraham beleived God and it was accounted for righteousness is how the gentiles and everyone will beleive God and the righteousness of Jesus is imparted without being an actual Jew we only had to have FAITH without works of the law or without doing anything, just have faith and be saved firstly. Just have faith and connect to the jewish root That statement Paul made is very much misunderstood but the letter killeth and the Spirit giveth life. James said faith without works is dead. Paul said get the Faith for for SALVATION but after that work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. doesnt it sound the same to you?You cant read bible like story book bro. pray for understanding.

You are not smarter than God. If it doest add up for you then you need to realign yourself not God realigning for you. God is not the author of confusion. The book of galatians is written to the gentiles when some jews came and said that the gentiles MUST be circumcised so that they can obey the laws. All these men spoke the same things sir.

thebigkendo:
This wan just came to praise Gazzuzz

I'm just appreciating good work done on my automobile same way people that appreciate my handiwork do also.

That automobile would have been damaged if I left it in d hands of the other mechanic

2nd peter 3 vs 15 and 16. Even Peter, endorsed the teachings of Paul. Let me ask you. If man can preserve their beliefs or technology or anything of value to them do you think it small that God wont preserve His word? That He would allow the words of an heretic to enter the bible that His children will beleive upon?

Watch you ego and be subject to the Spirit. Everything Paul preached about is in direct alliance with Jesus. If you dont understand it then pray your spiritual mind is open. That you have salvation is because of the revelation that Jesus gave to Paul. As his message was to the gentiles as we were grafted into the inheritance. The gentiles were not part of the initial chosen as it was only d Jews. Paul was used to fulfill that prophecy of the new covenant where Gods spirit will be poured out on all flesh.
Take heed

CodeTemplar:
Then why did Jesus endorse it in Mathew 23:23?

Jesus Christ was under the law, the new testament had NOT being in force yet because he had not died. HEBREWS says the testament is NOT in force until the death of the testator. Jesus said many other things y dont you pick them also as an endorsement? He told the man he healed to go perform all that Moses commanded in the law. Do you do that when ever you are healed? He told the disciples to not go except to the lost tribes of Israel, do you minister to the lost tribe of Israel?

We need to understand that these scriptures are historical events addressed to a certain people. It's common error for people to claim the blessings of the law but forget that the was written to the nation Israel and not to the gentiles because the gentiles were not the chosen people. Now we are grafted in by faith as Roman 11 tells us so what makes us beleive after becoming Israleites but faith of Abraham Roman 4 we now want to act in the law This is what Paul meant in galatians when he said having began in the faith y continue in the law

Ikennablue:
Brother am not asleep, I've read my Bible and I understand that God made some people spiritual leaders over us. Vilifying this people will only bring harm

If you understood the renew testament requirement u will understand that a spiritual leader does not mean Superior to u nor me. Infact the highest leaders r elders but Paul said bring not an accusation before one else in the presence of 2 or 3 witnesses and rebuke him openly. No one has a spiritual right over you. we r all kings and priests. Anyone can be rebuked bro. Please get into the new testament to understand d covenant

MuttleyLaff:
Arent we all moG, hmm? You a moG, I a moG, dermmy a moG, hmm?

"So the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days shall be 120 years.

And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years (KJV)

Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not struggle with humans forever, because they are flesh and blood. They will live 120 years.""
- Genesis 6:3

The parable didnt wash though, as Oyedepo said he isnt in a hurry, to go to Heaven, because he is going to be there forever, so there’s no point hurrying to get there and if you’re only here on earth for long once, then why not make the most that's possible here on earth and to the glory of God too before exiting to heaven, hmm?

Occasionally I do get tired of living on earth, but shrug it off because of my nearest(s) and dearest(s) etcetera. So I can understand why Oyedepo says he isnt in a hurry to cross over. The only thing intriguing me in his comment is the 120 number, though he also mentioned 100 but why is he particular with that 120 number? I hope he isnt misinterpreting Genesis 6:3 to match that popular misleading belief that mankind's lifespan is meant to be limited to, at least, 120 years, erhn?

Oga you guys keep quoting old testaments. Did any new testament scripture promise you long life? What age did Paul die, Peter, Stephen, all the apostles? Even Jesus?The new testament teaching shows all the apostles wanted to get to heaven. They yearned to put off this mortal body and wear immortality. Why should the teaching now be different. Mark this quote, Oledepo will die soon like every mortal but his will take him by surprise, when he least expects and end up in hell because he is the one that is troubling the church of God. He has desecrated the temple of God and placed his own god mammon in the faces of undiscerning lazy christains.

Ikennablue:
mehn...
Be carefull what you say. He's a man of God

If his a man of God so what r you? You better study your bible know that God is no respecter of persons. We r all children of God and no one has more right to God than the other. WAKE UP

Hello all, please who knows how i can get in touch with the editor or the family involved? Tanx in anticipation

Reffone:
Igbo men making money since after the civil war

Since before the civil war u mean

MrPresident1:
When he comes with thunder, you will defend your foolishness. Animal

Whose coming with thunder? Your village gods?clowns everywhere.

You are already mad. Madness brought about by your apostasy. Madness from above. Its gradually becoming full blown. Wait for it. It will manifest fully when you start eating your flesh.

MrPresident1:
Animal

U r beyond redeemable

Waste of space and of no use to God till you repent ofcourse. But I dont think you r capable of allowing light to shine on ur head ofcourse until that asteroid lands on it first.

Enjoy ur miserable life till judgement

dcncorniels:
the Christian faith is not guided by rule's and regulations but by the leading and teaching of the Holy Spirit

Actually its guided by the new testament doctrines. While we are at liberty in Christ we are bound by the doctrine of Christ else there will be no order

The Holy spirit wont teach you anything outside the NT teachings. He confirms the word and puts us in remembrance of the word

elotajohn1:
NB


Chosen people una own too much shaa

Lazy chosen humans that wont study their bible but allow another chosen charlatan to extort and deceive them. Christians that cant think for themselves with the Holy Spirit. They cant study scriptures but allow these career criminals explain the bible to them forgetting to work out their own salavtion

Lazy chosens

gobuchinny:
Use google and educate yourself. In ancient Israel wine was alcoholic. It was not fruitwine fruit of the vine had alcohol

Genesis 9 vs 20. This proves even from the bible that everytime you see wine know its alcoholic

20 In those days Noah became a farmer, and he made a vine-garden. 21 And he took of the wine of it and was overcome by drink; and he was uncovered in his tent. 22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father unclothed, and gave news of it to his two brothers outside. 23 And Shem and Japheth took a robe, and putting it on their backs went in with their faces turned away, and put it over their father so that they might not see him unclothed.[1]

See that the wine was from the vine garden but Noah was overcome .. in order words he got drunk

Be a good teacher of the word and not a reprobate. You are not wiser than God stop preaching your own perverted gospel

alBHAGDADI:
He told Timothy to drink wine aka Fruit juice for his stomach ache, just we use orange to cure stomach ache today.

Nowhere did he tell anyone to drink alcohol.

Use google and educate yourself. In ancient Israel wine was alcoholic. It was not fruitwine fruit of the vine had alcohol

alBHAGDADI:
First, when Solomon said, “Do not be overly wicked” (Ecclesiastes 7:17—NKJV [“overwicked”—NIV; “overmuch wicked”—ASV]),

Did he mean to imply that a person can, with God’s approval, be moderately wicked? When Peter noted that pagans do not understand why Christians do not engage in the “same excess of riot” (1 Peter 4:4), did he mean moderate rioting was appropriate?

Therefore, "too much wine" stated there DOESN'T mean we can indulge in it but not in excess.

Paul was spotlighting an individual who is known for drinking freely of alcoholic beverages. He was saying that no such person should be put into the eldership. A parallel would be to make an observation about a person who carouses and parties every night
—“do not put such a man into the eldership!”

Overly wicked here means wicked for no cause. For instance when the children of Israel invaded enemy camps dont you know their enemies thought they(Israelites) were wicked? God told them to do things that we can say is wicked by today's standards but we know it's a righteous course. So yes, I can execute Gods judgement and you call me wicked but being wicked without course or reason can be read as overly.wicked

Example a lecturer see a final year student cheating and kicks him out. That paper is his last and his being kicked out means he can't graduate. To the student and friends d lecturer was wicked but to God and fellow lecturers he was just. Imagine the lecturer just kicked d student out without reason. THAT MY FRIEND IS OVERLY WICKED. You r not wiser that the bible. Dont try n explain away what you dont understand. Dont defend d bible allow it defend itself

alBHAGDADI:
First, when Solomon said, “Do not be overly wicked” (Ecclesiastes 7:17—NKJV [“overwicked”—NIV; “overmuch wicked”—ASV]),

Did he mean to imply that a person can, with God’s approval, be moderately wicked? When Peter noted that pagans do not understand why Christians do not engage in the “same excess of riot” (1 Peter 4:4), did he mean moderate rioting was appropriate?

Therefore, "too much wine" stated there DOESN'T mean we can indulge in it but not in excess.

Paul was spotlighting an individual who is known for drinking freely of alcoholic beverages. He was saying that no such person should be put into the eldership. A parallel would be to make an observation about a person who carouses and parties every night
—“do not put such a man into the eldership!”

Oga you are a liar and the father of it. Twisting scriptures to suit ur beliefs. Just negodu your rubbish explanation. Ok so he told Timothy to drink little wine, I'm sure you can explain also? He told elders dont drink at all and told deacons dont drink much and told Timothy to drink a little for his sickness and you r here explaining nonsense

Adroit144:
You better understand English.. there is nothing like alcoholic wine or non alcoholic wine . wine automatically means an alcoholic drink made from grape

He doesn't understand brother. He need a crash course in fermentation and wine production

alBHAGDADI:
Doesn't God have the right to demand for whatever he wants?

Continue to play God u hia. God's mediator and advocate ;Deut 14 vs 26 since you guys like to quote old testament. God told them to buy wine(that historically proves to contain some alcohol) and strong drink (liquor)

Drink responsibly. That all. Your life is in your hands

alBHAGDADI:
Stop quoting wrong translation. The Bible didn't say too much wine. It simply says not to drink wine.

1 Timothy 3:2-3 (KJV)
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

Stay away from all these other Bible versions, they will lead you to hell. Stick with the King James Version. Read link below to see why.


https://www.nairaland.com/4957299/bible-sword-butter-knife-why

I read only KJV but apparently you dont read it at all.

Vs 8 ".....not given to much wine"

alBHAGDADI:
Stop quoting wrong translation. The Bible didn't say too much wine. It simply says not to drink wine.


1 Timothy 3:2-3 (KJV)
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;


Stay away from all these other Bible versions, they will lead you to hell. Stick with the King James Version. Read link below to see why.


https://www.nairaland.com/4957299/bible-sword-butter-knife-why

Oga read vs 8 naa

oludavis123:
Read 1timothy 3:8 likewise must the Deacon be grave, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; are you telling me Paul meant not given to much fruit juice here?

Dont mind all this legalistic spiritual charlatans. They neither know God nor the scriptures. But are perverted like their spiritual criminal fathers. god of men. His here playing heavens gateman that how d other theif said if you dont pay tithe you wont make heaven.

I drink alcohol in moderation and never get drunk and yes I'm spirit filled. Atleast spirit filled enough to recognize wolves in sheep clothing

alBHAGDADI:
So because Jews drink alcohol today, we are now to disobey the word of God? And who told you Jews I've God today?

So because there was no refrigerator back then, it now means they didn't see the need to invent fruit juice? Look, refrigerator was invented because people saw the need to preserve things, fruit juice being one of them. Mind you, if you had read the OP, you would have seen that fruit juice existed in the days of the early Jews as stated in Isaiah 65:8 and also Songs of Solomon 8:2. This is contrary to your Mr Historian knowledge.

You guys never cease to amaze me you hinge all you beliefs on the old covenants but yet you wont do d whole law deut 14 vs 26 nko abet no be dia una get the tithe teaching? So y now the booze aspect na other story. HYPOCRITE!!

Paul left instructions for being a deacon that he should not drink TOO MUCH wine. Oga wine back in d days had alcohol. Nothing like fruit wine. He told Timothy to use a little wine even till today a little alcohol can help your stomach upset. The point is drinking and not getting drunk. Even too much food is sin

MrPresident1:
Asteroid is coming, asteroid is coming, protect your skulls in Jesus.

Before 30th September 2019

This apostate somebody you came here also

Na them ooo..prophet of baal

MrPresident1:
Yes, I enjoy my messenger work.

Whose message r you propagating? Definately not God. Your Father is the devil for what you saying does not line up with NT scriptures.

Prophet of baal

LordReed:
So basically just more date setting by you? You know what will ease your job just say something will happen every 365 days of a year instead of having to revise your dates everytime they fail. With this method even when a cockroach gives birth you can claim it's a sign.

The guy is a clown. Very apostate somebody. Useless to Christ because his God is his belly. That so called asteroid will crash in his household. Fake prophet

MrPresident1:
I just looked up your comments again, just checked page one of your comments, you look genuine. If not, wetin I for use your eye see for this Nairaland for this gross nonsense that you wrote, only remains in the realms of imagination.

After all the talk and evidence, you dare to say this rubbish? Just go and thank your stars that I think you're genuine. If not? Angels for fill your mouth with gravel

Fake prophet prophesying nonsense. Your God is your belly. You must be a baby spiritually I know that your native doctor has been deceiving you. Come and try real children of God and get ur head smashed spiritually. You traded ur soul for filthy lucre. Apostate criminal

MrPresident1:
There is an asteroid out there, it will strike the earth before 30th September 2019. There is no known scientific equipment that can see it, it cannot be detected.

My Bible makes this very clear to me!

So how is this relevant to the death of our Saviour Jesus Christ and resurrection to give us a hope and inheritance In Heaven? You are a false prophet that tries to assume he knows more about Jesus and the ways of God by promoting useless times and seasons whereas Jesus told Peter it's not for us to know times and seasons. Did you find any of the new testament apostles promoting this rubbish. Who cares what's hitting the earth?

Preach the gospel for Therein lieth salvation, this rubbish is no gospel sir. If it was a scientific dimension then no qualms. REPENT

uzohrome:
That's Gods heritage. Congrats to you Chi.

A car? Is God's heritage?

Chosen1984:
YOU Are Blessed!
But don't forget these your words...

So you don't be a liability to your people..

Man worshipper. Follow Christ not man