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elampiro: Such Nigerian rich men are educated illiterates. When it comes to wealth and affluence, most Nigerians don't have the right mentality.

Sad sad sad smh.... You must be very poor awwwww

[quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]The rich(corrupt politcians) gets richer,while the poor gets poorer..Just like some economists said,our economy is getting better indeed![/quote]Politicians are the only rich people yea? DUMBuldore!

Techwriter: How dare you even compare them. The Church(not him) makes it big and they are building more universities. Apart from Kanu Nwankwo and his heart foundation, how many celebrities with all the hard currency has built what others benefit from? I know you would be glad if the nite club is making more than the church. But sorry, the seed of the Righteous shall be mighty upon the earth

LOL the church??, please can you fly in any of his private jets whenever you feel like? Stop washing yourself.

[quote author=Omo_Tier1]you should be ashamed of yourself.Why cant the celebs build the universities or school for the poor given that 70% of them came out of the ghetto?[/quote]Again how much do these "celebs" earn that they can build universities?

Techwriter: How dare you even compare them. The Church(not him) makes it big and they are building more universities. Apart from Kanu Nwankwo and his heart foundation, how many celebrities with all the hard currency has built what others benefit from? I know you would be glad if the nite club is making more than the church. But sorry, the seed of the Righteous shall be mighty upon the earth

LOL but if you put it that way Diddy, 50 cent and even jay z are way richer than any church owner tho.....

Techwriter: Just contrast the comments on this post of a musician who built a nite club with all the immorality that followed its opening and that of another man who built universities to empower our youths. Does it not surprise you that there are lots of praises coming in as against the man of God who is doing something GOOD. This clearly tells you that those critics are satan inspired as they would rather rejoice in evil than in the good. Bad belle

When Nite Clubs increase the world commends
When Churches proliferate the world condemns

That a man lavished on vanity is celebrated
But paying his tithe is often castigated

How much does this "man of God" earn every Sunday compared to an artist and your saying this as if his school is free.

chichiman: WHY NIGERIANS PRAY FOR POLITICIANS MISRULING THEIR COUNTRY AND MAKING LIFE UNBEARABLE FOR THEM SEEMINGLY DEFIES ALL REASONING. PERSONALLY, I WISH CALAMITIES BEFALL ALL NIGERIAN LEADERS, ELIMINATING THEM TO PAVE WAY FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO WOULD TAKE NIGERIANS TO THE 'PROMISED LAND'

^^ this mindset.... "Sigh"

chucky234: Squandering public funds that would have been channeled into equipping our decaying medical facilities,politicians are animals and heartless beings.

what public funds are you talking about

take dat: Abeg @Op what sort of idiocy are you trying to display here? Is it your aim to encourage criminality cos most of the vehicles on display belongs to 419ners, Drug pushers, Subsidy thieves and ritualists excluding the artists.
So because Dbanj drives an aston martins it means our economy is booming. Go to major bus stops across the federation and see millions queuing to get a cab not to talk of those who would trek.
Guess you were trying to say that GEJ has improved the economy that is why dubious people now drive posh cars.Trying to judge the economy with the affluence of selected few

you just said a whole load of rubbish!!, how many 419ners, drug pushers, subsidy thieves and ritualist (if you believe in such) exist in Nigeria?, how much do they make?? how many of them live freely? .... There's no point in telling you that there are people who make legitimate money in Nigeria but hey!, there are lot!!!... Someone who racks in on average N3m a month can afford a range rover etc and someone who racks in about N10-15M a month on average can afford a Bentley, get your act together.

ARES: I know a man in texas that owns an oil well, he drives a 2004 bmw, he drives himself. NigerianS should go ask mc hammer the effect of buying unnecessary expensive automobile on ur pocket. Because when the hammer hits, niggas will be writing a memior named "how To go broke real fast"

So everyone should drive a 2001 toyota camry even if they are making millions and billions to show that they are investing ?

aligwe07: what did we learn by this....please when ever you buy a 25 million naira car dedicate it to God before you go stunting.....this one is straight from the village...

25 million ? Lol, that car is more like N6-N8m

sayso: Not jealous here.Stolen wealth goes like that.

So sad , You must live a very sad life

CHESSBOARD: mtscheeew.... probably owed by one political thief, and by now he might be pricing another one

Whats with you guys and politicians?, like wow!

Kslib: Errm,dbanj we understand how you feel,but i will strongly warn you not to involve God. Yes,you are rich,popular and all that,but that doesn't mean it is only God who give earthly riches.. Afterall,the devil also gives riches. Not all rich men got it from God,and not all rich men got it fron the devil...
Your kind of music does not in anyway glorify God. In oliver twist,you liked nikki cos her nyash was bigger.. So i advice you to stop dragging God into this if you dont want him to equally strike you...

smh

xpensive05: why is he so intrested in clerifying himself if he knows he is not a member.........

because if he doesn't people like you would still talk....

Its really easy to spot that the members of this forum living in the UK would argue that they are better off there and are able to save a lot more there while the ones in Nigeria would argue otherwise. Like I've said before, people (Nigerians) make money in both places and situations. Let me add by saying that there are a lot of factors that come into the savings aspect of this discussion i.e; family size, family lifestyle, single or married etc. (P.s This is an illustration and i am not by any chance bragging)
For Example,
My mum is a contractor and she also does other things on the side so hers fluctuates but i'll try to put a figure around it.

annual income: N15m-N25m annually; that N20m on average. (thats about N1.67m monthly.)
Monthly Income: N1.67m

Now my aunt's a budget analyst and she earns a pretty good salary too.(she also works a second job)
Annual income: $128,000; about N20m too.
Monthly Income:$10,667.00

Now my mum has 5 kids and my aunts has 2 who are already grown up and fend on their own. Assuming my dad doesn't work, I can still figuratively tell you that my mum makes a lot more savings that her sister despite their similar incomes. Some people would argue that the quality of living is better off in the UK/US, are that peace of mind is better etc....well you could argue that but you can't say you can walk on a lonely alley by 2am in the morning without a flinch of fright. Nevertheless, what u'm trying to say is that its generally different strokes for different folks; If you prefer the UK then stay there...and if you prefer the atmosphere in Nigeria same goes to you. I'm obviously a Naij person because I generally like the atmosphere but heck who am i to decide for anyone.

obadiah777: THE POINT BEING MADE IS THAT £40,000 A YEAR BEFORE TAX IN THE UK IS NOT BALLING. IT IS A DECENT SALARY. BUT ITS NOT BALLING

obviously!, £40,000 a year is most definitely not balling and exactly its a "decent salary".

Patsey: "£40,000 that you think is balling...some people spend that amount in a weekend in nigeria."

And you're inclined to think they legitimately worked for it or earned it. It is people like you celebrating rouges who otherwise should be flown out of town in an helicopter and dumped alive into the mid-Atlantic so aquatic beasts can feed on them.

Yes, there are people who legitimately worked for their money and can afford to spend that in a weekend. Some people even spend way over that in one day. Once my dad's younger brother bought two cars in one day and it cost him a bit over N10 million. just to note; this guy is in his early 40's but has been working at ELF as a chemical engineer for over 15 years. (he's also not married).


@Obadiah777, that may be a bad comparison. Of course people can spend £40,000 in a weekend in both continents heck in almost any part of the world nevertheless not up to 20% of any population in any country have such commands over money.

munaco: Strange and interesting topic, why are u using just one person to equate millions of Nigerian abroad. why not tell Achebe and Soyinka to come back home because those people are not even earning what MDs in Nigerian banks are earning.Please, how many of ur mates are in the same shoe like u (i mean primary to secondary). Omo just dey happy and thank God for most things He did for u.
£15000 = 3,7500,000.
Average Lecturer salary N250,000 to N300,000
Multiply by 12months 3,000,000 to 3,600,000 respectively
Can that money pay for duplex in lekki phase one, NO.
that is why the country is still backward.

Dude, if you read well the posters friend is earning £15,000 per annum, hence the difference is not much atall

NO!

@Debosky
"Your fixation on 'defending' the 'rich' of Nigeria is my issue with you - you simply don't get it. Civilised societies are interested in raising the general standard of living to a decent level, not obsessed with "

First off, i am not "defending" the "rich" as you say. I am simply saying that everyone cannot be rich, I am also saying that even if everyone where giving equal opportunity some would fail..,its that simple. lets face facts, most american students go to school with loans and still some of them don't make it half way through. Yes, the playing field isn't that equal in Nigeria at the moment but there are situations where people rose from nothing to greatness even in that circumstance. Nigeria is also interested in improving the general standard of living, that's why we presently have a middle class...20 years ago there was nothing of a sort. frankly i don't know where my discussion has been about " (a rich kid) 'proving' some rich people somewhere are better off."



"Again you miss the point - social balance is not a case of some being (forcibly) poor while others are rich. The issue is with the quality of life of the majority of individuals. That you simply think it is all about naira and kobo again reveals your mindset. I did not say everyone has to be rich, but your previous claim was that some are 'meant' to be poor while others are 'meant' to be rich - such thinking is utterly backward and is responsible for many of the ills in Nigeria."

Quality of life for the majority of individuals?....point noted. Would you argue that a greater amount of US/EU residents and citizens live the "comfortable life" ?. Again its not all about money for me....this post was titled "why are Nigerians in diaspora bitter" and I made a few points before some angry people who always resort to saying all the bad about Nigeria sprung up. Generally these bitter people say all these bad things about Nigeria to make people like me who live in Nigeria feel bad but frankly I can't be bothered because I know its not all rosy in these US/EU countries. you can go on and on talking about the standard of living and all, but comparing Nigeria to the US is like comparing a 6 year old boy to a 20 year old man with respect to maturity, fitness and physical strength; of course the 20 year old man is better off.




"I don't see anyone here advocating for making everyone CEOs. The issue is with everyone having a chance to make the best of themselves, not just the rich kid (of no effort/fault of his own) whose father can send him abroad and pay his school fees."

Exactly!!!, let them even the playing field. Not everyone can afford to send their kids to college, this is a problem everywhere in the world.

"I never said you were 'rotten', 'wicked' or 'heartless' - you simply do not understand the import of your words. To say that it is the 'place' of others to serve you (because everyone can't be rich) is a wrong mentality."

I never said its the place of others to serve me, NO... I just made it clear that their would always be rich people who can afford all and everything and there are also going to be the poor ones who don't have such a luxury at their disposal. (and the population of the latter always out weighs that of the former).

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[quote author=Sky-walker]Typical mindset of a a black man. Does having wealth guarantee good quality of Life?[/quote]NO!! having wealth doesn't guarantee good quality of life. I have an uncle and aunt who are pretty well off and still don't have a kid, they adopted but its still not thesame. Sometimes the lady cries to my mum that shes been to different pastors and churches....that sorta stuff so yea. I'm also sure there are people out there who have great ideas but have no funds to accomplish them, so there you have it... no one lives a perfect life and I myself is not an exception

debosky: ^^ This whole discussion of insurance is a bit of a diversion - yes it would cost someone $4000 to get treatment for 3 days and many people would go into debt/can't afford that. In many parts of Nigeria, even if you had $40,000, you wouldn't be able to get the medical attention to save your life. That's the real point.

I would argue you are better than the Nigerian living in Isolo - $4,000 debt can be paid off, credit can be repaired, but can life be replaced? If you suffer brain damage due to lack of prompt medical attention that may not be recoverable.

As for Godogwu, clearly he is speaking from his (limited) experience. Life is very rosy when you can choose to study abroad at the expense of your folks, and pay for a legion of house helps and security guards at three houses in Nigeria. Such an experience doesn't lend itself to appreciating grinding poverty.

This comment shows it all:



It's about who is 'richer' - where the 'richest' person is located, and the individual's own privileged existence.

Further supported by this:



In his own head - the ones that are poor are meant to be poor - some are meant to be gatemen, others are meant to be the rich kids going to college in the US. Nuff said really.

Trust me you have spoken very well, nevertheless you miss interpreted some of my statements. I made that "richer" comment with respect to a person who was talking about the standard of living. He mentioned that a poor Nigerian in the diaspora is able to afford the luxury of the richest of people in Nigeria (Paraphrasing). That and also an individual whose comments made it seem like diaspora Nigerians are the ones supporting everyone in Nigeria.

I have learnt from my parents not to worship money...I would always tell people "I am not rich", "My family isn't rich", Mike Adenuga is rich, Dangote is rich....not my dad.

Finally, i believe in social balance. Even in SOC 101 you would learn that from a functionalist's perspective there are meant to be rich and poor people in the society for the presence of social balance. Point out a country where every individual is comfortable (not rich... not poor)then I would rest my case but I can assure you that there is none. TO further support my statement I would like you to picture a scenerio where everyone is a "CEO",MD etc... and tell me how that society would work. I believe there is dignity in labor, I respect whichever maid, gate man, driver, gardener or whoever that has worked for my parents.... not everyone that is fortunate is rotten, wicked or heartless.

adconline: [b]I still don't see your point. What's all the rubbish you have been saying driving at? One of you said you have buildings in Nigeria, am I meant to be impressed? Please point out the wealthiest diaspora nigerian and I will tell you someone who isn't loud that Is way wealthier than that person. I have never lacked anything in my 19 years in this life. I went to very good schools in Nigeria and I'm now a junior in college and frankly I can't be bothered by all the rubbish you spilled. My father makes decent money without ties to any form of corruption same thing goes to my mum and that's the same for millions of Nigerian individuals. How many politicians do you even think there are in the whole country? Like! The way some of you old folks talk atimes is really shameful. For all the medical trash you've been saying, my uncle had a heart attack once and he wasn't flown anywhere ( he is still alive). The most deprived nigerian abroad has the best healthcare less than 30mins away yea? You say this like its free, my mum came to see me once and was hospitalized for just 3 days and she had to pay a bill of over $4,000 which poor diaspora nigerian working at Burger King can afford this? Please spare me the praise of the western society. If you enjoy living abroad then good for you, I am just here for school and when I'm done....I'm gone[/b]
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You are still a spoilt brat who thinks that his parents are better than everyone else. Tell me any rich Nigeria who does not crave to come to the US/EU for business, leisure, medical treatment, education , and all the good things of life? I can show you many successful Naija folks in EU/US who do not miss anything in Naija except their families. Tell me how your maids, cooks, gate guards, servants are doing? How many of them can afford to send their kids to good private schools in Naija? How many of them can afford to go to a teaching hospital let alone likes of Ekoo Hospital, Nicholas,and Niger Foundation? Let’s measure with most deprived in Naija with Diasporans who are struggling overseas. In diaspora, most folks who are of you age -19, stand on their own without their parents unlike in Naija where folks who graduated from universities with no jobs, are still being fed, clothed, sheltered and provided by their families, friends and associates. If western society as bad as you are saying, why are you studying there? Why are your parent visiting? Why are your parents going there for medical check-ups? I guess your uncle survived heart attack, because he was treated in Aso Rock, but Stella OBJ died in Spain, Yaradua in Saudi and Patience trying to surving in Germany.
Naija is dream killer!

First off, I never said my parents are better than anyone!! , like!! Wida!.....secondly tell me which rich US/EU person that doesn't travel abroad for vacations, business or even education and all the other good things of life?. Please can mc Donald workers, Burger King workers, Walmart workers send their kids to private schools? No!!!! And even when it gets to college education they use loans and sometimes are forever in debt of those loans. Don't you believe that ther are meant to be poor and rich people in the world??, everybody cannot be comfortable.....never!! ...it's there for social balance. My maid would eventually get married and live a life of hers, my gateman isn't married, and we provide him with enough, heck! We even feed the guy and give him bonuses on his salary regularly. I am studying in the US for a better level of education so I can compete better in the workforce, my parents are visiting because we have relatives here...my dad also comes for conferences and my mum comes because of her business and also to see me. Trust me when they want to go on vacation it's either obudu cattle ranch, the villa (village, not aso rock) at most Dubai. The US is mostly business. My parents don't travel here for check-ups goddamit!! My uncle is a doctor and owns his own hospital and we all do our routine checks with him. As for my uncle surviving a heart attack, I believe God heals and it wasn't his time to go. Nigeria is not a dream killer Aii

OilSubsidy: It is called medical insurance you idi0t!! Have it and you will get the best treatment unlike your folks that had to pay $4,000 stolen money for it. I thought you said Nigeria is a great place for you and your family. Why didn't you mum check into one your hospitals there? Son of a thief!

Now we've resulted to insults?...what of those who can't afford medical insurance, there are bums on the street that definitely don't have insurance....how do they pay their hospital bills? ........LOL $4000 stolen money?, dude it's not like I said $40,000 even....well I guess 4 grand is a very huge sum to you......it's nothing compared to my mothers health. My mum was in the US when she took ill, so there you have it, if she were in Nigeria she would not fly abroad for any treatment except every option has been exhausted. Finally, my parents aren't thieves.....they went to school and worked very hard to be where they are today and to secure a future for their kids and that's what I'm gonna do for myself. You can rain insults all you want, you are definitely not my class and I wouldn't trade insults with you Aii.

To adcoline and invertedhammer

I still don't see your point. What's all the rubbish you have been saying driving at? One of you said you have buildings in Nigeria, am I meant to be impressed? Please point out the wealthiest diaspora nigerian and I will tell you someone who isn't loud that Is way wealthier than that person. I have never lacked anything in my 19 years in this life. I went to very good schools in Nigeria and I'm now a junior in college and frankly I can't be bothered by all the rubbish you spilled. My father makes decent money without ties to any form of corruption same thing goes to my mum and that's the same for millions of Nigerian individuals. How many politicians do you even think there are in the whole country? Like! The way some of you old folks talk atimes is really shameful. For all the medical trash you've been saying, my uncle had a heart attack once and he wasn't flown anywhere ( he is still alive). The most deprived nigerian abroad has the best healthcare less than 30mins away yea? You say this like its free, my mum came to see me once and was hospitalized for just 3 days and she had to pay a bill of over $4,000 which poor diaspora nigerian working at Burger King can afford this? Please spare me the praise of the western society. If you enjoy living abroad then good for you, I am just here for school and when I'm done....I'm gone.

OilSubsidy: ^^^^ Don't mind the likes of Arsanate, the OP and Billoynaire or whatever he calls himself. Theirs is the same mindset that has put Nigeria in the sorry state it is today.

All the big men politicians i know are all running abroad buying houses and sending all their children to school there. To the same countries that see us as pest and monkeys and all that. I wonder if their own children and themselves are now whites because they are very rich. delusion of the highest order. I bet Arsanate and co are now saving every kobo of theirs to do same for their children.

They are just too blind to see that there are disporans who have better lives than them simply because we chose to live in foreign lands. They claim they are helping to re-build the country because that have managed to build a house and now travel abroad to do buy and sell ^^^^

Remind them that diasporans also build houses in the same Nigeria and if they are sincere enough to do a survey of all the houses on their road, diasporan probably owns half of them. Yet they say we should not complain about that lovely Nigeria that they are all helping to 'rebuild' into a hell-hole. Mtchewww

It's obvious you feel you are part of whatever country you stay in, well Nigeria is and always will be our homes ( speaking for billoynaire, the OP and arsanate) . Speaking for myself, I cannot I repeat cannot be bothered about living in any western country...NO thank you. I rather live in my " hell hole" Nigeria.

ochukoccna: I think it is delusion to equate better standard of living to boy boy messengers, having big rim cars and villa to indwell

What of security of lives and property, infrastructure, quality healthcare etc.?
Will the rich fly over the bad roads or live in sky castles because of insecurity?
With all the wealth in Africa, why is she still the poorest continent with the most deprived people? Serious food for thought
Typical black man sees wealth in form of cars ,resources and houses[19th century thought patterns reinforced by black rappers& Nollywood], wise men see wealth in terms of information& knowledge
Spot any difference
And talking of living a bling life in school, are you not supposed to be a student?
If you have it, flaunt it but as a made man, my children will have the best in life but not that they go to school and show off like spoilt brats
I got's to train them to be responsible, it's my money damn it

Dude, I never said I was living a bling life in school... If you read well you I said I live a better life in Nigeria than in the US that is all. As for the security of property, infrastructure, healthcare and all...I'd rather stay in my country and watch it grow to have all these things or do you think these western countries had all these things in place at 52?. Fact still remains that if you are sick, there are hospitals, infrastructure is growing daily and security can never be guaranteed but Boko haram is a terrorist group plaguing Nigeria and cannot be seen as a fault of the government. You need to get your facts right...Nigeria is the second largest economy in Africa and amongst the pillars that hold up the continent. Then again you said Africa is poor, like did you expect every country in Africa to compete with countries in Europe, America and all? Please don't be daft.. When did these countries gain independence?, when did the westerners stop exploiting them. Finally, I want to know why exactly you are saying these things?, what are you trying to put across....like, what's your point exactly?

InvertedHammer: [b]This is how I see it...For all those who think Nigeria is heaven on earth.....just keep enjoying it. I don't envy you!
Sooner than later, you will be the same ones to run to this forum to complain how shit a place Nigeria is.

Take a trip to US or British Embassy in Nigeria
When people get visa to escape Nigeria, it is all jubilations!
Take a trip to MMIA or other International Airports in Nigeria
When people are sent back to Nigeria, it is all lamentations!

I live in both world, Lagos/Abuja vs. Irvine/Houston.
Heck, I was in Dubai, Hong Kong, Shenzhen, Dubai, Paris, London, Guangzhou, Amsterdam....
I have been around the world...

But no where have I seen the level of infrastructure decay, corruption, dirt, insecurity as in Nigeria.
When I showed someone my house in Lagos, she thought it was a prison yard.
Thanks to the 20 coaches with barbed wire fence. Is that life?

When a dog barks down the street at night, everyone on the street becomes acutely hypertensive.
God forbid there is a loud bang at any gate at night, that one is real hypertension!
Yeah, and this is where I want to live and raise a family under the guise of patriotism.

I have to buy gas for my generator, dig borehole for water, dispose my trash, and at the end
of the month, NEPA brings their bill, municipal council brings one levy or the other, water corporation
brings their water rate. And I am supposed to shout....ELDORADO!!!

Leadership is 20% of Nigeria's problem. The ignorant mass who think they are wise constitute 80%.
Why? Because someone who stands for nothing falls for anything. Nigerians stand for nothing so fall for
anything forced down their throat. As inter alia stated, if Nigeria is heaven on earth, just enjoy it. Don't
take out your frustration on someone who opt not to subject himself to the psychological trauma called Nigeria.
Just enjoy it!

Nigeria is about the only place you work hard to make money, then you work hard to spend it by overtly and covertly.

People keep praying not to go to hell when they die, and I ask: What hell?
If you live in Nigeria, YOU ARE ALREADY IN HELL![/b]

You are obviously a very poor man....smh

ochukoccna: All those who you mentioned are the elites
Who do you think profits from the crazy way Nigeria is currently run
There's money to be made in Nigeria[tomes of it], don't get me wrong, but level the playing field


I think that is rather been simplistic
What of improved standard of leaving?
Except your dad is very rich to offer you that over here in Nigeria
Your dad probably went to school back when Nigerian universities where the ish
Currently even by African education standards[note African], Nigeria lags behind
All the BRICS& CIVET nations[emerging economies] have globally competitive universities
Check it up
Any wonder they are driving world trade& innovation now that Europe& America are stagnating economically?
But is Nigeria up there with them? A mono-economy
The world is only interested in our oil& large population which makes them money from exports
Go figure

Improved standard of living? c'mon man its not like we live on trees in Nigeria. I can tell you that I personally live a better life in Nigeria and so do many people I know who are schooling abroad, not to brag but we have 3 houses to live in (Lag, PH and in the villa). In each house there are security men/gate men and theres a driver to run errands for you.... just to say a few. I don't get close to that comfort here... I share a house with my friends, its nice but not the same. you could make an argument that these western countries have a greater standard of living for the poor and a poor man in the US is far better off than a poor man in Nigeria because of the government aides and all what not but when it comes to the middle and upper class/ elite....we pretty much live the same lives and in some cases, even better.