₦airaland Forum

iLoveYouToo:
but I’d rather stay here than move to India.

I welcome that. It makes much more sense to stay in US or Canada where you can earn much more than India. In India, you might earn double/triple of Nigeria for doing same job, but in US, you will get 5-8 times.

Indians are not very fond of foreigners either except neighbouring countries who essentially just look like Indians.

iLoveYouToo:
India is a 3rd world country that’s only developing on paper.

A 3rd world country is who didn't align with either of West or East bloc during cold war. Yugoslavia, India, Nigeria, Vietnam and Indonesia, all are third world countries despite stark differences in levels of development.

India's progress has translated into poverty reduction, education, digitisation, faster urbanisation, advanced industries and so forth which is visible in India's business, economy, exports, consumption, technology and industry and not just paper.

As told before, you can't compare countries like India, Philippines, Indonesia and Vietnam etc. with "other third world" like Nigeria/Pakistan/Ghana etc.. India/Vietnam have stopped being destined to remain lower middle long ago and are entering upper middle group.

iLoveYouToo:
A very large portion of its population remains ‘rural’ and live in poverty, just like Nigeria

That is a flawed assumption. India has stabilised 2.1 replacement rate (equal to developed world) against world's fastest growing population of Nigeria.
Stages of development of a country start from agriculture to proto industry, heavy industry, tertiary sector and critical industries in which you can compare India with any third world country and see where it stands.

Gabon has a higher urbanisation rate than US & Canada but you can't compare their cities to water's villages.

Indian villages (except tribal areas of eastern part) AFAIK are well developed than Nigerian cities.

First reason being Indians mostly were a settled society for many centuries making towns and villages at one place while Africans were mostly tribes.
Second reason being India "defines" difference in a city & village in terms of municipal connectivity and not population density what western and African countries do. 90-95% of existing Nigerian population will become rural if Indian definition is used.

India does have modern industrial sectors, launches spacecraft, builds aircraft & warships, software while Nigeria strictly is all about primary sectors/agriculture besides its natural gift of petroleum. India's per capita income grows at 7% annually, Nigeria's population grows faster than economy. Both cases clearly are not comparable.

BY LARGE, you just can't compare Asia pacific countries to African ones. They are more like low income versions of Europe.

dumahi:
No sane person would disagree with that. But, make the Indian no yab us. Na only recently we take over from them as world poverty capital.

Okonandmary:
Who cares about what a foreigner says about Nigeria.

India have more poor people than Nigeria.

Nonsense comparison. You are comparing numbers of

Can't you guys do mathematics?
Population of India: 1.4 billion (1400 millions)
Population of Nigeria: 220 million

Poor people in India: 42 millions or just 3% of population
Poor people in Nigeria: 80-85 millions or 35-40% of population

So if India has 42 million poor people, it has 1.36 billion (1360 million) NON Poor people while Nigeria has 140 million

Anyone who calls Nigeia = India or Nigeria > India is only becoming a fool.

For every Indian poor man in a society, Nigeria has 10. And even if we imagine for a second India would have 80 million people in poverty (equal to Nigeria), it still would be just 6% population.

India was never overtook by Nigeria as poverty capital given it wasn't one ever. It was always far better ever since I was born and has only grown faster.

Also, unlike Nigeria whose GDP capita has been artificially maintained with oil production which fills the pockets of few businessmen, India has a real industrial eco system of agriculture, heavy industries, automotives, electronics, space, aerospace, software, construction, FMCG consumption and infrastructure to support its economy.

You are simply comparing orange and apples. India was always ahead and competing with a different league of countries.

dumahi:
The country is filled with religious war and killings, hindus vs muslims.

So you mean there are no Christian vs Muslim conflicts?
What is homicide rate of India vs Nigeria? I have never seen mass capturing of girls or large part of government territory being controlled by terrorist groups like Al Shabab in India.

dumahi:
More than half of 1 billion Indian population are poor.

No, as per above stats.
3-4% of Indians live in extreme poverty ($1.9) compared to almost half of Nigerians.

25% (one-fourth) of Indians live in middle income poverty ($ 3.2) compared to 70% (three-fourths of Nigerians)

Half of Indians live in upper middle income poverty ($5.5) compared to 90% of Nigerians.
There is a caste system where black Indians are seen as inferiors.[/quote]

iLoveYouToo:
I can’t live in India, even if I’m given citizenship, never. India is a shot hole just like Nigeria but we’re better

Somehow your fellow Nigerians who overstay in my country disagree with you.

iLoveYouToo:
Finally, his opinion doesn’t matter just as Nigerians had a lot to say about the US elections that they have no influence on.

India has a good influence on US general elections along with Indians living in US. It frequently plays role in elections in its neighbouring countries like Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.
It is not a challenge if India wants to try influencing Nigerian politics although it might get shadowed by Chinese influence. India's geopolitical, economic and military power is enough to affect political landscape of entire Africa, leave alone Nigeria.

iLoveYouToo:
If India was so good how come they all wanna move to Canada and the UK

India is still a lower middle income country and not a great place to earn as a plebe. But yes, Indians can afford to come abroad more easily.

It won't change that India will leave that tag and become an upper middle income country by end of decade.

Corrinthians:
You don't understand how social media works. Everything you saw there could simply have been set up. The "Mohammed" guy could be a parody account. They could simply tell the Indian what to say and pay him to do so, then share same on their WhatsApp platforms with the instruction to make it go viral.

You can't put anything past those desperate mofos.

Suddenly Indians are interested in Nigerian affairs.

Exactly, Nigeria is not a part of Indian politics. No one talks about them here.
This man is likely a paid one to do propaganda.

igbesachick:
every ppl view you as a turd.

Still besides the countries of far west and far east, all other countries lie far behind India in terms of tech and income growths.

igbesachick:
2, east asian, none of the chinese, japanese or korean give a shiet to you India, especially the korea and taiwan , which have limited economic relationship with india and zero historic connections.

You clearly don't know shit about India's trade volume, trade partners and relations of ancient India with Kingdom of Goryeo then.

igbesachick:
3, russia, they are very confused why you indian take them to be "best friends" ! you are not even the "east bloc" , you dont have shared borderline and civilian communication with russia, what the Hell your india's business with russia ? BTW, russian look down on african and indian.

Russia was always just a partner of India who was an enemy before and after Indo-Soviet treaty of friendship (1969-89). It anyway yet doesn't matter what someone thinks about India enemy. Their economy is shit.
And if it matters for you that what a sweatshop worker who wastes his salary in bar every evening, even you are not worthy of attention.

igbesachick:
4, the West, maybe they are the one that give you indian most respect , if any . this is called "condescesion".

No, west is most India on the planet besides Latin America.

igbesachick:
even african are aware of this comdesension.

Neither Indians take up rallies and play victim for racist words nor Africans govern western business houses unlike Indians do.

Indians even outperform American whites in America in income levels.
So, whatever you're writing is garbage. Trying to be racist (because you are so incompetent and have zero knowledge or argument) and crying about racism yada yada he said is a sign of losers. So are you.

igbesachick:
but you indian are either dumb or playing innocent , you are even proud of working as a toilet cleaner in germany and think German giving you a working visa is a "mutual" respect with india.

Last time I checked, most Indians abroad work in highly paid and administrative jobs.

Toilet cleaning is more common with India's neighbors and Arabs tho.

igbesachick:
5, middle east muslim . although you indian hate muslim, they dont give a shiet. they are richer than you, they just look down on you .

Middle-east Muslims can't even drill out their own oil and nearly no scientific input to world. At governmental levels, their governments are more friendly to India than their Islamic brothers. Since they know their wealth is short-lived.

So an idiot says doesn't really matter.

igbesachick:
6 , latino american. they dont have anything to do with you india. they just know you are a caste curry bare hand toilet shiethole.

Indian businessmen are hated in Latin America, just like Africa for their hegemony.

igbesachick:
PS, there are less than 5 countries that give unconditional visa exempts to indian .

lazy, ugly, smelly, uncivilized indian.

Is that best the COVID spitting, small-eyed, human foetus and urine boiled egg eating chinky can come up with?
What do you think how Chinese are seen around? Yellow and ugly disease spreading savages who can eat anything.
Come on, try hard.

igbesachick:
pls leave china and pakistan alone. you are making yourself a jealous clown .

If you think that Pakistan as a country has something to make anyone jealous, you are so real of a clown.

Indeed China made US its sugar dady after Sino-Soviet split and got so much from US during Clinton rule. But what Pak has? 70% of population born with cousin marriage? They haven't counted their population since 1980, don't know their poor rich toilet less population, are taking loans to pay old loans and loans to pay interest to pay other loans, have defaulted and bailed out 22 times in just 50 years.
Has not produced a motorcycle engine since independence, when building nuclear reactors, they literally imported everything, even magnets from China, are selling girls to Chinese businessmen, have women literacy below 50% and so forth.

The way Mao had made your country like Afghanistan, you wouldn't even have been existing today without sucking on US (which you think your competitor is today).

igbesachick:
fvckface indian. you are an inferior shietskin !

use your left hand to scrub your shiet and eat with your animal right hand !

go compare with pakistan and dont you ever think of "comparing" with china. stop your obssession with china. you indian are poor , dirty smelly, , ugly , lazy vermins !

indian IQ 82. it is the brain volume, the racial factor, the IQ level that decides the country's GDP. all we japanese, chinese, korean are superior to your rotting pakistan, india and bangladesh.

today's indian are mixed race. you are no longer the blonde Aryan ancient race. you are fvcked up ! for ever ! blame your inferior DNA !

Somehow your frustration fails to challenge the validity of old statics since India records among highest in innovations, patent registration and research papers.
IQ of urban is well above 95. 82 was the score of 2006 when India was actually a poor stare.

igbesachick:
we chinese buy kidneys from nepal and india. that is cheaper.

a chinese kidney is 200 000 renminbi (30 000dollars), an indian kidney is 50 000 renminbi(8000dollars).

there are 300 000 india students in china studying medicines. go ask them. they will tell you the truth.

the bought kidneys from india and nepal are an open secret in chinse hospitals.


we do not kill african for their kidneys, we buy, mainly from dirt cheap india. we chinese are business oriented and humane.

the same to USA, they buy kidneys from mexico.

I don't deny. Rural regions of Nepal and eastern portion of India still has lot of poverty.

siofra:
I know that.

So you're Indian?

Off course, I am.

siofra:
I'm a Nigerian and no one around or near me has ever been diagnosed with covid-19 we literally walk around without facemask. Face it, Africans were not badly hit by the virus.

Even it was so here too. I got corona once, had fever and recovered. Only with strong variants or sick people got killed with corona. No one in my neighborhood died, I heard in news about my country. You didn't since your government sat with hands down.

igbesachick:
1. india does not produce a lot, let alone to export a lot.

India is largest industrial producer after US, China, Japan and Germany in terms of cost and third largest after US and China in terms of production tonnage and one of fastest growing. It's exports exceed $400 billions, it's forex exceeds $600 billions (4th in world).

India produces luxury cars, space rockets, softwares, all types pharma and medicines, softwares, manufactured machines, weapons, components of weapons for western nations, ships, planes, satellites and a lot lot more of things which any country like Nigeria can't even dream of doing in next 50 years. Indian industries import raw petroleum from oil producing countries and export finished petroleum products all around world.

Indians also have great strides in nanotechnology, tokamak nuclear technology, biotechnology, quantum computing, super computing and 3D-printing and other fields of science & technology. No other 3rd world country comes even close.
This rocket is just one of millions of things which India produces and can only be superseded by advanced nations of Asia and western world. Not Africa by far

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhs9x3-O4zw

Tier 1 & tier 2 Indian cities have GDPs more than African countries. Even Mumbai is close to South Africa and Nigeria.
So no, India is a lot by any measures. India just compares and aim for bigger goals.

igbesachick:
if Is true, why india tries to boycott chinese profucts which occupies india market ?

Chinese products occupy market of entire world, not just India and Indian government wishes to change it. India is already second largest producer of electronics and steel after China and wants to replace them in global production chain. There are official targets of such things in Indian government circles.

And it is necessary that Indian brands invent things and Indian people use them before they are sold to entire world. This is how progressive countries work and this is how west & Japan became so rich and China & India are growing.

Despite being a behemoth country and producing cars, nukes, weapons, electronics, machines, softwares, medicines, vaccines, agricultural production and all, Indian government wants to make advanced electronics, semiconductors and complex machinery and export them all over to world to become more powerful. Every sensible government is doing it.

By your logic, most African countries are better since they don't boycott things. They even import things like table fans, bikes, cycles and refrigerators because they can't make them.
It means African governments are aimless.

igbesachick:
2 . india has 1.3 billion population. the cheap labor in Dubai consists of only 300.000 . no country can get wealthy by harvesting Its people's oversea remittance , not to say , those oversea indian are toilet cleaners, sewer salvagers and construction workers .

Middle east diaspora doesn't reflect Indian society. Indian government earns most of its income from internal taxes, government owned business and industries.

Indians are richest and most reputed community in western world occupying respectable jobs to even executives. Indians are richer than whites themselves in general there. They become CEOs of companies like Google.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

Indians who are working as cleaners in middle-east are just losers of Indian dispora society which controls business and institutions from western world to African countries.

It is also a factor that economic development in India is real and Indians can earn enough to afford a visa to go outside country. Indians also have a much better image. Otherwise, Pakistanis and Afriacns are strip checked on airports due to just their passports.

igbesachick:
3. the poverty of india and nigeria both comes from lacking 1st and 2nd industries.

No. Poverty in Nigeria comes because it doesn't have any industry. Nigeria's agricultural sector is primitive and industry is backward, barely produces anything other than petroleum.

In China/India because they didn't manage second industry propely. Both China and India established second industries after independence. China's communist system killed millions and they chnagef in 1978 and started progress. India's socialist system made industries unproductive and India changed in 1991 and started progress.

The difference between China & India is because of this time period.

not the IT business , although china does that pretty well too , contributing tiktok , wechat , alibaba.....

IT sector is the most profitable business because you don't have to spend money earned on overhead things or permanent assets. It is also called an industry and important for every country.

In India's case, India didn't have any money. So, IT gave India some money to create industries.

igbesachick:
look at china , It has 2 thirds of people still bound to the ground , although their agricultural tech helps them improve the output greatly. and china succeeds as a world factory proves that, 2nd industry is the KING. not the IT business , although china does that pretty well too , contributing tiktok , wechat , alibaba.....

US, Europe and USSR all had huge industries but USSR failed.
Japan and South Korea were successful with industries from start.
China and India had some success but much later despite having industries from start.
Iran and North Korea aren't anywhere near success despite having industries.
No correct statement is.
No country can develop without creating heavy industries and capitalist economic system because heavy industries don't earn unless they have a deregulated economy. Technological experience and money earned from them helps to improve agricultural tech, create more advanced industries in fields like nuclear, nanotechnology and IT sector. The tertiary sector industries created further improves the performance of agriculture, industry and living standards of people. Companies of both second and third industries created in this process like Foster Wheeler, Airbus, Xiaomi, Cosco, Tata, L&T, Google, Microsoft and Infosys gives your country a powerful political leverage in world and [I]nairalanders give stupid speculations about your nation's success. [/I]

All industries are equally important. Second industry is needed first because it generates money to improve other industries. Soviet Union had huge industrial sector but failed. China created huge industries but it's millions starved under GLF and Cultural Revolution programs. They finally opened economy in 1978. India created industries and PSUs but remained poorest country for 40 years. India finally opened economy up in 1991. Meanwhile Japan & Korea remained open since start and became developed countries. Since economic system was capitalist.

siofra:
How disgusting!!! Anyway for your information Nigerian women are the most wanted here, in Ghana, in SA, in India, in Europe and in Asia. Continue weeping!

No Nigerian women are not considered a thing here in India. Indian stereotypes, standards and definitions of beauty are different where Nigerian women don't fit in at all.
It's about east Asian vs Russian vs Western vs Indian vs Middle eastern vs Latino girls in India.

anorexicmuster:
And don't suggest the India-Pakistan solution...that led to millions dead, and millions displaced...and still creates a lot of issues up till now.

Partition of India violence was more like an Indian civil war than a solution.

British divided the country so that united India doesn't become another threat to western imperialist powers like Soviet Union, China and Japan became.
India was a cut to a smaller size and always busy fighting Pakistan.

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
Do you know before independence most African countries one more advanced than India China and Brazil.

Africans were richer than Asians at that time, not "advanced". China, India and Japan etc. still had industries and internal political systems during foreign occupation also.

Asia-Pacific countries were settled civilisations just like Europe. We just lost wars to Europeans and came under their control. It was bound to happen that East Asia, India and Southeast Asia will again go up quite fast once Europe leaves since we all also were advanced innovative civilisations like European empires.

Africans meanwhile were tribal and nomads most of time.

Nothingserious:
Ok then. Thanks for conceding that so many had converted from atheism to theism or Hinduism since you aren’t cherry-picking.
I hope you won’t twist your statement again. Okay?

It seems that you didn't read my post. Hinduism doesn't have a concept of conversion. Being culturally Indian is. Hinduism. Until 1940s, Hinduism was rather a synonym for Indian than a religious identification.

Nothingserious:
Please stop the cherry-picking. He was asking if there were atheists who had changed their worldview. I listed those with a source. If you want to discuss the names, pls go ahead and discuss all including Anthony Flew.
Thanks

I'm not cherry picking but you are. Hinduism is not a single religion but a group of Indian origin cultures and religions. There is no single book in us unlike Bible/Quran that can dictate our lives.
Oue traditions have always changed with time.

Sanatan Hindus believe, Charavakas don't. So, you must not pull all Hindus into one.

Ochys87:
How is buhari a communist leader, have u seen d rapid growth and development in China, can u even compare d rate of growth between China and India (biggest democracy on earth). The so-called democratic US is constantly in decline with high rate of poverty and homeless people in d world. If u dont know by now democracy is a type of government where people get to choose their own dictator

China is not a real communist state. Real communist was USSR which broke into pieces 40 years ago.

China's economic system is more capitalist than Democratic India and Democratic US. US is aging and India is yet to mature to achieve technical level. That's why China is growing.

walkbrazil4k:
I know about the word developing and the western media still use the word third world, Brazil is not really a developing country just not as developed as the USA and the EU , because you can't compare the development of Brazil to any country in Africa, not even south africa

My point is don't put Brazil in the same category as Nigeria or any country in Africa for that matter and some countries in Asia and Europe , Brazil is a power house and a regional super power do you know what means? The constitution of Brazil restrains Brazil from meddling and Brazil is at peace with all her neighbours.

According to the media third world countries also include China, Brazil and India.

Do you know that China, Brazil and India are highly industrialised, but they still label them third world countries and the reason why I am comparing Brazil to African countries is because of people that look down on Brazil when in reality Brazil can't be compared to any country in Africa

Third world has multiple definitions but not associated with income. At that time, all third world countries were poor, today they are not.
Definitions,
One is those who were oppressed by west. Both China and India fall into it.
In second, those who aligned with US is first world, those with USSR as second world and those joined NAM created by India and Yugoslavia as third world.

India is not politically a part of any bloc and was a British colony too. So we will remain in "third world" even if we become richer than US. This is a political definition.

Nothingserious:
I appreciate the fact that you acknowledge the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth. That is a step. Most atheists didn’t even want to agree before now until their revered atheists started teaching them to accept that Jesus Christ of Nazareth existed as described in the Bible and in history but asked them to argue about his supernatural claims.

So it’s normal for more updated skeptics to agree that Jesus lived. The supernatural claims of Jesus are recorded in the Bible and the gospels were historical books first before being added as part of the Bible. Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:3-9 taught about the formula passed down by their tradition on the resurrection of Jesus Christ. History also recorded that there were even some people who performed supernatural actions within Jesus time. That gives credence to the fact that supernatural events can and did happen.

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Atheists who converted to Hinduism Edit
John Dobson - became a believer in Vedanta – astronomer and telescope designer[1][2]
Sita Ram Goel - Indian commentator, writer and Hindu activist[3]
Atheists who became an unspecified/uncertain form of theism or deism Edit
Eben Alexander - neurosurgeon, author, teaching physician. Author of Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's Journey into the Afterlife.[citation needed]
Plutarco Elías Calles former president of Mexico who was an atheist but became a spiritist later in life.[citation needed]
Gabrielle Carey - Australian co-author of Puberty Blues who was raised atheist, but converted to Catholicism and then explored other theologies.[4][5]
Antony Flew - philosopher and respected atheist thinker of the 20th century, became a deist.[6]
Moses Hess - Socialist philosopher and Left Hegelian who first influenced Karl Marx in his criticism of religion, but who later tried to combine the pantheism of Baruch Spinoza with Hegelianism.[7]
William Luther Pierce - American white supremacist and political activist who created Cosmotheism.[8]
Anne Rice - best-selling American author of Gothic and religious-themed books.[9] She returned to Catholicism, and remained as such for many years, but has since announced that although she still believes in God and in Christ she no longer considers herself a Christian.[10][11]
J. Neil Schulman - Libertarian science fiction writer who states he met, or experienced, God and that this ended his atheism. The first such experience would have occurred when he was 35. That stated he remains skeptical of "the church" and does not belong to any religion.[12]
Dave Sim - comics writer and anti-feminist. He converted to, or created, his own mixture of Abrahamic religions.[13][14]
Ted Turner - media mogul who stated that he is no longer an atheist or an agnostic. He has not embraced any specific religion.[15]
Mark Zuckerberg - Facebook founder and philanthropist.[16]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_atheists_and_agnostics

More prominent names in the link below

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Christianity_from_nontheism

All these things are complete garbage. Hinduism doesn't have concept of theism, atheism or conversion. It is a synonym of Indian culture. A Hindu might be a polytheist, monotheist or atheist. There are no restrictions or forced beliefs unlike Islam and Christianity.

iguita:
Infact, it has killed more westerners than elsewhere asides India.

West and India could detect this virus and counted real deaths without caring about their international image. China and Russia also counted deaths but they didn't announce to avoid embarrassment.

Most countries in Africa meanwhile don't have resources to collect data for their actual population. So, they can't detect most of their corona infections and deaths.

membranus:
Where do you get this lie? I was in Bengaluru (Bangalore) in India for six months, and we never experience a single day darkness.

They are big cities which barely face outages. This is a problem in India's small cities that even at smaller.

I live in a small Indian city. 10 years ago, we used to have power cuts 2-3 hours average on a day, even 5-6 hours during summer season. However, now it's not even 2 hours a week. India's power generation has increased manifolds. So, such problems are only at small scale now. My brother in Delhi never faced an outage for 2 years.

tatatar:
Na by just budget?
India's first mars mission cost $74million while USA own cost about $3billion. America spends way more in accomplishing the same thing.

The cost of working and living in India is low. Because inflation is low in India, India looks poor than actually it is. It is actually closer to upper middle income countries at social levels unlike rest of third world.

Nonpartisan1:
Did India land any Rover in mars?

No, we sent an orbiter. We will first land a rover on Moon next year and then Mars rover project will start.

jamesversion:
Poor country India doesn't have money for those. What are they trying to prove??

India's poor by western standards, not by standards of third world.

India has huge military budget despite it being low I'm percentage of GDP and a growing economy.

eduj:
isreal should be there ahead of India (arrow 3 system)

Heard of Indian ballistic missile system phase-2 (AD-1 & AD-2)?

templemount:
india has nothing pls

India has 3 nuclear submarines in service, 2 in construction and 10-12 more on drawing boards.
In two decades, it will become world's second largest nuke submarine fleet after USA.

Solatium:
The emphasis was on superior fire power, and who are those countries with those fire power,the one's you mentioned plus the NORTH KOREA and within whose vicinity were those AC came close to?
It is always better to read and assimilate before you jump on a topic

Since national leaders aren't kids. Indeed you don't need to jump guns on a country unless you want an immediate war.

Solatium:
i Repeat you know nada about these, countries with little or no firepower have US military bases within or around them, while the big fries are the ones who do not allow such and the best US could do is to place AC within those proximities and conduct several war drills which is what those countries are kicking against and monitoring, don't just reply for the fun of it
You need a lot more research on this before writing

Do you understand the meaning of a regional power?

Again big countries have enough firepower and long range ASBMs to sink American carriers if US tries to do any adventure.

US military bases don't guarantee superior covers. They had a base in Pakistan too in 1971.

Solatium:
Compare like with likes,AC will never be deployed against a country with little military strength.
Save me all the lectures

You failed again. Countries with small firepower can't do anything about carriers blocking their sea.
Governments of powerful countries aren't fool spending on this.

Solatium:
The emphasis was on superior fire power, and who are those countries with those fire power,the one's you mentioned plus the NORTH KOREA and within whose vicinity were those AC came close to?
It is always better to read and assimilate before you jump on a topic

That's an epic fail there. Superior firepower is useless without concept of logistics supply.

Russia is most powerful in its neighborhood, so is China, so is India and so is Iran and so is US. Even if US carriers could escape their ASBM and reaches their shores, there are millions of tonnes of ammunition to destroy US navy. But Nigeria won't be able to do same even against one US carrier.

Firepower is a crude measurement. Air power, naval and land, type of technology used, abilities to go to long distances and all together define power of nation. All militaries have strong and weak points over each other regardless of their total firepower.

Solatium:
No reasonable Navy will go and block anywhere with an aircraft carrier,that will be suicidal,it means when you are hit by superior fire power you will end up loosing tens of Aircrafts, Officers and some other accompany ships and subs.

Technical knowledge says that aircraft carriers are just not giant elephants floating in sea anyone can fire upon and sink. If you aren't one of countries like China, India, Russia or Iran which have anti-AC solutions, it isn't suicidal for any country with aircraft carriers to annihilate you.

They are 40k-100k tonnes behemoths with superior air defences like CIWS and ABM systems.

It isn't easy for any country to cross these defences with simple technologies. And even if they cross, it isn't easy to sink such a behemoth ship with few aircraft bombs. You need to fire so many cruise and ballistic missiles to just damage it.

India in 1971 war used a 20k tonne carrier to block Pakistani trade and Pakistan couldn't do anything despite deploying its entire navy to sink it and had to surrender.

Except great powers like Russia, France, China, India, Japan, France and UK, 1 US carrier battle group is bigger than navy of a coubtry like Nigeria. Number of aircrafts on their each carrier exceeds air force of any medium size country.

Solatium:
Do you know the greatest strength of an Aircraft carrier is their speed,when the heat becomes unbearable they simply sail away.
Why do you think Russia went to blew off an Aircraft carrier close to Hawaii? they are passing a direct message to the yanks that their newly develop Aircraft carrier will be touch when a battle ensue

It implies the capability of Russia and not world.
Russia, China, India and Iran are developing anti&ship ballistic missiles that can sink an American carrier with a single hit. Americans too are improving their navalised ABM to counter it.

I don't say Americans are unchallenged since they can be decimated by few countries. But most other countries in world can't do anything against carrier. So no, it's not suicide to deploy an aircraft carrier against a country which is not powerful.

Solatium:
Aircraft carrier does not indicate the full strength of your Navy,as a matter of fact aircraft carriers are what it is called,just to carry aircraft and provides landing and take off on water.
Destroyers, frigates, submarines are the true and real strength of a strong Navy.

Aircraft carrier allows you block and control maritime routes. Destroyers, frigates and submarines etc. move along with AC making it an CBG (Carrier Battle Group) which is a navy in itself. US has 19 CBGs, rest like France, India, China, Russia and UK etc. have 1-2 of CBGs.

Solatium:
i have said it,most of you knows nada about war,the Yanks can't even take on India or Pakistan in a full blown war,it took them several years to conquer in iraq,they are afraid of going to war with Iran and here you are talking about them taking on China and Russia.

Yanks literally bomb Pakistan everyday and control its internal politics like their colony.

Russia, China, India and Iran are meanwhile are different case. They are great powers capable of giving great damage to USA in their regions. But other countries are dud.

US can't fight Russia in Arctic, China in SCS, India in Indian ocean and Iran (or can with great difficulty) in Arabian sea. It doesn't mean that US is not powerful. It means that these countries are powerful enough to protect themselves and not attack America.

HarrisAWalcott:
Goel


Skin tone is caused by genetics not weather.

You don't end sentences in English with adverbs which means you CERTAINLY are dumb.

Skin tone is also caused by weather since sunshine affects melanin concentration in blood.

Indians, Arabs, Persians, Southeast Asians and Latinos all have European fair to very dark skin tones with changing weather. If you don't know this, you are a dumbo locked in Africa.

HarrisAWalcott:
Goel

Each time you post you get dumber and dumber.

Indians are Blacks of the ancient world and come in many shades like Africans.

And for the last time I am not African. Everyone on NL who knows me posting on NL knows I am not African.


Dark skin Indians

HarrisAWalcott:
Light skin native Africans existed even in ancient times before Whites came.

How many times I have to shove up in your empty mind that black here doesn't mean color but ethnicity. What are yoy trying to prove? Indian people also have black skin. So? I don't feel any shame in that.

African skin tones are more likely to be black because of their hot weather. Indians are a diverse group because of diverse season of the country.

Each time you post you get dumber and dumber

I can't dumber than an idiot who can't read the context even after explaining same thing thousands of times when I say word "black".

Nor I will ever dumb enough to declare community superior for a bloody luck draw number or spew bullshit that humans came from Hindu-Kush.

No, there is no one more dumb than you. Doesn't matter if you are African or not. But you're uneducated most certainly.

Also, you are yet to provide source for your imaginations on yadavs and IVC.

Richwallet:
Goel


I'm not going to debate you point by point nor rather debate you at all. Your posture is weak and your tongue is a lying serpent.

Weak posture LOL?
Your incompetent and illiterate ass is yet to even start reasoning, defecating conspiracy theories without provide source and yet think I'm being uncomfortable at all?

I'm still replying since you are an entertainment for me. Let me see how much garbage is filled inside you.

Richwallet:
India is a nation and Africa is a continent. You can't accurately compare a nation to a whole continent with 54 nations and not all of them are Black nations. It is easy for the president and Congress of India to pass into law a national policy that would put into effect positive changes for its society. The President of Nigeria has no control or influence over let's just say Ghana. This is true for Pakistan that the Indian president has no control or influence of its national policies.

That isn't part of our argument. I said African system can't do anything like India. So, Africa being divided 54 nations is also part of that argument since that is also a system.
Of these 54 nations, most backward ones are blacks while black ones who will equal or more degree of richness than India just have natural resources.

All of them together fail by large margins when comes to ground indicators like poverty or formalisation.

Richwallet:
This is a flaw in you that you overlook steps in logic and reasoning in favor of bias emotions.

Which emotional bias I have presented so far? At first place, dig your own posts which logic or even a fact you have given so far in your posts?

Lucky numbers, black guy being president aren't reasoning. They are ad hominem arguments usually given by uneducated idiots who don't know anything about the topic at all.
My point stands in real world and not emotions.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

Richwallet:
I will demonstrate this further. You claim I am superstitious for using Gematria to decode keywords. But if you don't know what are thoughts and that they can be measured then why am I wasting my time with you? Do you argue with children who can't count?

How many times are you going to insult yourself?
I used to teach maths tutions to high school kids and I never taught them that they will become genius when they turn 36.

I'm quite sure that I don't only have ability to count more than you, I can solve more difficult mathematical problems too. But your issue isn't counting.

If you believe numbers influence your life story, you are not counting anything or doing any science.
You are making an ass out of yourself.

Richwallet:
Yavadas God is Yav and the Hebrew God is Yah. Abraham and His wife Sarah came from Indus Kush Garden.

Why don't you provide a source for your bullshit conspiracy theory instead of getting trolled again and again? Yadavas are Sanatana Hindus.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yadav

And what kind of bullshit is that "Indu Kush" garden? Inspired bullcrap from bible's eden garden? No one will plough a garden at such hot and barren place. Yavans mistook believing that mountains of Caucasus extended to other side of Indus river deep into India. So, they labeled that region "Hindu-Kush".

If you believe that this place is your imaginary garden of bible. You are fool. Indus Valley Civilisation has a history much much older than bible, christ or abrahamic stories came around. India and Iran had civilisations even before euros started to use leaves to wipe after toilet.

Religions which came from there taught world tolerance. Religions which came from desert in west only killed and enslaved people, especially from Africa.

If you are going to counter my reason with your religion garbage I'm out. Missionaries anywhere I've countered are mindless assholes anyway. Idioted, bigoted, brainless, spinless, ignorant and will never given an evidence or supporting logic for their bullshit. No wonder Europe only developed after great divergence because liberal thought made them atheists ditching christianity. And why Muslim countries are still like that. Abrahamic religions hinder progress of human society.

Indian religions have nothing to do with Abrahamic ones. We have our own world. Sooner you realise it, better for you.

HarrisAWalcott:
First Indians are Black just like we are just a different phenotype of Black.

Indians aren't all black or all white. We are a mixed race of Aryans and Dravidians and with mixed looks which are more similar to mid-east, central Asia and Latin America and not Africa.

Those few Indian tribes in islands of Andman which look African are essentially Africans.

HarrisAWalcott:
If you look at pictures of Kenyans before they were Westernized they look similar to Indians.

It is quite easy for any person to differentiate between an Indian and African.

HarrisAWalcott:
A lot of Indians come across the Red Sea to live in Ethiopia long ago.

Humans came from Africa first and then to middle-east and much later to India.
India is first place for settled human civilisation, not human race themselves. Indians are later learnt travelling through seas and visited Africa like Europeans do.

HarrisAWalcott:
The Greeks who went to India under Alexander are Blacks. The Romans who made India a colony are also Black.

Greeks were white Europeans and Central Asians not not blacks. And Romans could never colonise India. Most of the time, they didn't even know about us because of Persians in between. Before that, they were tribals like Africa. Google "War of 10 kings".

India and Iran are cultural products of Indus Valley civilisation.
The Indo-Iranian split alone is older than entire western world itself.

HarrisAWalcott:
The Indus Kush Garden is the origin of human civilization.

Settled human life and not human civilisation. People used to roam like noamds earlier. Settle human life gave birth to Persian and Bharatiya civilisations which today are known as civilisational states of Iran and India today.

HarrisAWalcott:
Krishna is Black and Buddha is Black. Kali is Black. Abraham is Black. Christ is Black. Prophet Muhammad is Black. Black doesn't mean bad color. Black is the source.

I never said anything good or bad about a colour. I'm not superstitiious and don't believe in such bullshit at all.

Black doesn't mean colour in our conversation. Black means African ethnicity. Krishna was dark skinned Yadav from modern Uttar Pradesh.

Indians have dark, brown and white skin tone according to their environment. I myself was born in Himachal Pradesh was white as a European. After moving to warmer state in Central India, I have a brown skin-tone today.

HarrisAWalcott:
Black
Value: 36

36: Great genius, enormous ideas.
30: Weddings, celebrities.
6: Perfection, work.

Yet African countries are most backward on planet.

These fortune assumptions don't work in real world. Real world is materialistic, physical and very painful.

You have to work hard and smart to run it. Lucky numbers don't work. You are superstitious too.

HarrisAWalcott:
I keep telling you I'm not an African and you keep on insisting I'm uneducated.

Any educated person will call you uneducated and delusional the way you talk.

Another type of people in your category are conspiracy theorists of right wing Bible, flat earth bullshit and left wing wokeist folks.

These people are logicless and spinless just like you with nothing except lame rhetorics.

HarrisAWalcott:
Africans hold more higher degrees of learning than any people on Earth. This was revealed when Barack Obama ran for U.S President which he won.

Give me data. My data says that most successful, educated and rich people in USA or any European countries are Indians, Japanese, Chinese and Koreans and Africans rank from bottom. Africans are behind Europeans and Asians in such things even in their own countries. I can provide statistics from surveys and census for it if you want.

One person doesn't translate into Africa becoming rich. India and Pakistan had female prime ministers but USA never had a female president. Yet American women have a better life than Indian and Pakistani ones.

HarrisAWalcott:
The Elite families in Africa are highly educated

Elites are normally more educated and rich than common people everywhere in world.

If Africans have problem with basic facilities, African elites have it. Asian elites have luxuries and western elites are even wealthier.

HarrisAWalcott:
it's the common Africans who are not educated because education is not free in Africa like the West and India who modeled after the West.

Education is not free in India or all western country. Only primary education is free.

Also, India is not modeled after west but rather a mix of western style democracy with Soviet style socialism with attempts to develop Japanese style industrialisation.

Before having this kind of growth and power, you need to build this type of infrastructure, facilities and institutions to develop technologies. West had it for 200 yeara, India has only recently built and started doing all these things like space, industrialisation or technological R&. So, now India needs 50± years to be fully developed country.

African governments have not done anything in this direction.

HarrisAWalcott:
Despite being illiterate to reading, writing and arithmetic most Africans ate still functional in trades and crafts had by their forefathers for generations.

Traditional arts are functional in Middleeast, India and East Asia also

HarrisAWalcott:
It's a different system than India yet all people are capable of learning. For you to be this bias shows something about Indians.

So? Any system facilitates learning. Africans are also humans with brains.
What I said that African system isn't effective as Indian and point remains here.

HarrisAWalcott:
Yavadas make up the majority of the Dalits and Yavadas are monotheist.

Yadavas aren't monotheists. They polytheistic idol worshippers like Brahmins. And they aren't Dalits either.
They are ahiras (cattlers) and even ruled as kings historically. Krishna was a Yadav. They have their own significance in history of Hinduism and aren't seen as backward at least.

Tell your bullshit conspiracy theory to a Yadav, he will be laughing his ass off.

HarrisAWalcott:
The Vedas is a monotheistic text that the ruling caste in India converted into polytheism.

Vedas are the origin of polytheism within Hinduism is idiot. Before Vedic era, Indians were monotheist magic worshipping philosphers or atheists like China and Japan.

HarrisAWalcott:
India does have religious persecution for polytheism is religion. Monotheism is not religion it is civilization.

Polytheism is about believing in multiple Gods while monotheism is about believing one. They are not societies. Indian monotheists have nothing to do with Abrahamic ones.
Christians and Muslims wish suffering to everyone who doesn't believe in their shenanigans.

Their religions have anti-science theories and hinder progress of society and free thought.

Indian monotheists (Sankāyāns) are pragmatic intellectuals who contributed to India's historical philosophical and scientific heritage. They don't abide society by imposing modesty on women, killing any religious community or promoting any theory on the basis of religion.
Indian monotheists, polytheists and atheists collectively lived together for thousands of years and are called "Hindus" collectively. They don't belong to group of Abrahamic religions. They just have cultures similar to China and Japan because of historical exchanges.

HarrisAWalcott:
Christians are persecuted in India and it's all online for anybody to see their story.

They are just known for drama while nobody even pays attention as them. Real conflict is of Muslims against Hindus.

Those all online stories are meme to read. Christians break into schools, temples and public places and preach people about Jesus. People get frustrated and insult or even thrash them. Obviously how would a Christian react if someone tries to convert people in a church. Hindus are yet polite people who mostly avoid them than picking fights up.

Cousin9999:
Random Indian civilians form mobs to physically attack and even k*** innocent students for no reason at all.

Indians don't attack anyone without reason. Even with conflict, they first prefer police or help before attempting anything like that. Unless there is a big issue like rape, street shooting etc., mobs don't come up.

We know what African/ Nigerian immigrants are know for in India. They are never in news for any positive contribution to India anyway.

India doesn't need anyone's prayers anyway. It has done a lot itself and will do without any foreign prayers for it.

Cousin9999:
Indians are known to k*** African immigrants for organs.

No, that one is China.

Cousin9999:
India is a giant toilet.

Africa has more toiletless population than India statistically. India is media focus because India having this problem is a big deal, African countries having such problems isn't.

Over it, African countries don't have formalisation and data system like India to record living standards of population like India does. Some of the don't even know their population.
Case closed.