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TMKsouth:
Even worse.

Stats and facts speak louder than rants.

RSA's wealth isn't held by Africans. Nor it's industry is anywhere significant.

And I didn't start it.

TMKsouth:
Russia? Or India?

India

TMKsouth:
Apply same question to your own country then.

No, it doesn't.
Mine sits in G4, BRIC, observer of G7 and soon will be a P5 also. Most industrialised outside western world and east Asia.

TMKsouth:
Then why aren't YOU (Nigeria) in the BRICS? Think very carefully before you answer this one.

Well, I'm not Nigerian.

Austine1213:
It is Mumbai

I used google lens, it locates the location where thethe pic was used, so used it etc

Still was one pic. It won't change relative standing of South Africa against other BRICS countries that its only LDC country among emerging economies.
https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/EN.POP.SLUM.UR.ZS/rankings

https://worldpoverty.io/

AdamsAbubakar:
Perfect answer for you:

It isn't. The person who raped a half dressed girl might rape a nicely dressed one too. He is the problem, not girl.

Austine1213:
The pic you posted is india Mumbai

Capetown cbd

Well that isn't Mumbai. And every major economic city in a developing country has both good sites as well as slums. Given inequality rate & poverty ratio of South Africa, it's obvious that chest thumping by pictures won't work.

Chinwe4real:
what about Indian where the ladies supposedly dress 'decently' yet there is a high rate of rape.

xendra:
lies Indian women don't wear scanty clothes yet the rape case there is more because there is no law.

1. Rape is always a rapist's fault even if girl was standing there naked. We all men sitting here have control over our bodies. Why did that idiot turned into an animal and jumped on a female who didn't want him? Only thing we need to know is rape was done, no matter what excuses the criminal gives, he should be hanged.

2. No, Indian dressing code is "in between". Girls mostly wear casual western clothes before marriage and tradional clothes after marriage. New trend is wearing western even after marriage. In fact, Indian traditional clothes are not vary scathy and used as fashion. Saree is considered, used as a glamorous dress like a cocktail.

3. No, Indian rape rate is among lowests in the world. India is just a bit "more decent nation" in self criticism and it will remain a disgrace even of one rape case is there.
Rape is a rare crime in India but we aren't interested in a competition which country has more (or less) number of rapes.

pacretus:
Jf 17 block 2 is a 4th gen good fighter block 1 is a 3rd gen.

JF-17 series are third generation airframes based on old Chinese F-7 equipped with fourth generation weapons.

These are low cost fighters, best suitable for countries who can't buy expensive modern fighters. There is nothing special about JFT otherwise.

It's for who can't afford anything better.

HORRORIZON:
Fake news. Everyone knows that China, Russia and Iran are all way under reporting their numbers. India is simply not able to properly test their population at this time. It is well know that at this time their numbers reported are significantly under reported at this time do to complications. China's numbers are in the hundreds of thousands in reality, but they will never risk reporting that.

India has built 70,000/week testing capacity, higher than any other country in world and still expanding. Has screened 1.7 million on airports, building 40-45 minimum (sometimes even 130 labs) every week, building 10,000 ventilators, tonnes of sanitizer, dozens of new hospitals/week, millions of masks and full body suits and so on.

India is just saving its test kits to prepare for bad days like Italy.

I think Indian numbers are still under reported but will still not be that high otherwise there would have been a lot of noise in India. Indian government knew it and was preparing for it since December. And over that luck. Timely action, luck and a lockdown at early stage is what is holding back India from falling into too much trouble.

LordAzubuike:
Lol if you talk of oppression and corruption, India is far worse than Nigeria. I've been there before, Mumbai (Bombay). I was surprised when I saw police harassing civilians just as it happens in naija, even worse. They also tell offenders to do frog jump after series of slaps. I almost thought I was still in Nigeria.

Global Perception of Corruption Index is your friend if you want to measure actual corruption.
As for police harrassment, report if they are bullying people. However, you can't do anything if police is punishing people for some crime or inappropriate act.

Stephenmoka4:
Not an argument or for argument sake, if you understand the lines, I mean I'll consider Africa over India.
All those HDI are just somewhat measurements.

Attachment to motherland is a different thing. Most of Indians don't want to migrate to foreign even if they have this ability.

Preferring development is other thing of materialism and here India is a bit better than any other third world country in world.
HDI I used was to quantify my statement just. A lot of other indicators will pull it ahead by far.

It is not uncommon that Africans would always downgrade Africa, don't know if you guys are one of those dumb Africans that do that or just love doing it but, India to Africa. It's a no no, simple.

Well, I'm not an African at first place. Nor I intend to downgrade your place.
I'm not supposed to write anything on emotions but bluntly on facts, data and perspectives I absorbed.

Every place have their ups and downs,

I never denied it. If you see, I've said earlier myself.
And the case we are talking about, your side unfortunately happens to have more downs.

I consider India an African country remix or some modified African country.

Just imagine if Africa had a single government.

India as an individual countries is too big and diverse to be judged.

Stephenmoka4:
I will definitely go with North America anytime over Singapore.

That's why you guys are either stupid or acting to look stupid.
All the arguments just for sake of argumenting.

Stephenmoka4:
It's not about size otherwise

Where the hell size was taken as a measure of development in entire debate?

People were talking "Ooh, Africa is a "continent" and India is "just a country".

So, sizes were being explained to them to justify comparisons. However, SGP vs NA was always stupid and NA is too big and diverse.

Performance wise, NA administrators would need more work. Still, Singapore doesn't have to focus on vast landmasses.

A port of good international cargo traffic is sufficient to sail the economy of a small city and keep it rich. Giant North America is better in terms of research and "opportunities" while SGP still has somehow good living standards.

In case of India and Africa, Africa doesn't outpace India in either of both cases while both have large populations and landmasses.

That's what I've been trying to explain in those dozens of post.

Stephenmoka4:
I can involve Russia to North America and still take North America, Russia do have the size of a mini continent and hundreds of millions of people in it, they might rank over many countries but, rank doesn't makes it better. There are so many countries that may be in top 10 ranking but, doesn't makes it better than the others.

Russia is a developing country with very high inequality, stagnated economy, per capita income behind so many Asia countries and soon to be overtaken by others. Anyday, it's far behind Western world in terms of living standards.

bonnyhope:
India should be included in the list

You won't need to. India has travel banned every country and isn't letting anyone come in or go out without screening.

dayolove:
India recently registered over a billion of their citizens into what they call the Adhaar (forgive me if i didnt quite get the spelling) and did not even issue a paper let alone a card.

What are you saying? Everyone has a proper Aadhar card made of PVC.

Shma:
keep trying, that is india

India is only cursed in photos because of too much coverage by British media.
http://mdgs.un.org/unsd/mdg/seriesdetail.aspx?srid=710

vaxx1:
we are stopping it by injecting one hundered million dollar into it for just a nation of 30 million . my idiot friend. that is huge ,not even india of a nation of 1.2 billion is even allocating such amount.

What? 100 million dollars is big? India not even spending 100 millions? LOL

One small Indian state with 30 million population has spent $3.2 BILLIONS ($3200 millions) alone. Richer Indian states have spent more.
Indian government is opening 100-150 labs and few dozen hospitals every week.

Stephenmoka4:
That's average HDI, like I mentioned earlier even if Singapore have an HDI over North America I'll still choose North America over Singapore.

Singapore is a better place to live in than North America. Case is different it's a small city and can't accommodate so many people and many modern industries like US & Canada. Singapore is dependent upon international trade.
Still, it's citizens have slightly better living standards. If you wish to research, move to North America.

Stephenmoka4:
Same applies to India to Africa

No it doesn't. India is not a small city unlike Singapore. It's itself has a size of mini continent and is home to one sixth of world's population.

It ranks better than Africa in all terms. Living standards, Science and Technology and Economic complexity. Unlike NA and SGP who outpace each other in different indicators.

malikombi:
Don't even go there...........they have more problem than we do.
There is an ethnic war presently in Northern New Delhi

LOL war that even "ethnic"?
A riot in Delhi (which will be equal to a brawl by Nigerian standards) is taking place by Muslims because Indian government has denied to give Indian citizenship to Pakistani Muslims.

darfay:
The kind of infrastructure south African cities have ehn, India cannot compete.

However, a couple of good places like Cape town aren't sufficient to help most of South African population that lives in pi$$ poor parts of the country, there are places like Chandigarh, Gurugram, Dholera, New Mumbai (don't confuse with old Mumbai) and so on.

Indexes of qualities of infrastructure to largest networks to per capita roads and trains to massive variety of rails and roads India has or is building is beyond comparison with South Africa.

Egypt is a way better example than Africa.

darfay:
India is an over populated hell hole

Overpopulated hellhole? LOL, whose population suffers more? Has more poverty? Crime rates, higher inequality and dim economic growth?

Stephenmoka4:
When I say I'll consider China, I'm not comparing it to Africa, hell no. I'll give that to Europe to compare of which Europe will still be the favour anyways the main thing is using the HDI of a place against another is not always a thing especially in India to Africa

It's not only HDI where India ranks much better than African average either. It's nearly every indicator.

Stephenmoka4:
Whatever that maybe, India do have natural resources too.

Ours are nothing comparable to Africa or China. Even little minerals we have are either of lowest qualities or yet to have their uses discovered.

Stephenmoka4:
I can consider China but, against a continent would be a no no. Continent vs country are not a good way of evaluatng things like this

Well, your insisted unreasoned emphasis on "continent vs country" isn't helping our cause in anyway.

Continent, country, national subdivisions all are human defined political entities where we have not set up any strict parametrs. A number of countries are as big as continents while their provinces greatly outweigh full size "countries".

Saying "Oh! But Africa is a continent, India is just a country" doesn't sum up any rationality.

Let me give you my conclusion from this perspective;

Africa is divided into many soverign states

India is united under a state where people are powerful as state

China is united under a state where state holds full control on people.

China draws it's governing inspiration from an anti imperialist totalitarian regime in WW2 while India chose to be democracy to evade corruption and maintain accountability.

Immediately after their establishments, both PRC and Indian Republic started their multiple social engineering and economic experiments to become rich countries fast.


Lot of them weren't successful. China was always more effective than India in implementing proposals because Chinese state could do anything with it's people with impunity while Indian people used to throw away every harsh regime. Both countries ended up with little success and little failure and sometimes famines too.

Finally, China found the right formula and went ahead in 1978. India followed same in 80s but again because of it's public, it could only do it partially.


Whatever ups and downs both states faced here, their sizes were large enough to not let even world's greatest powers to directly intervene inside their countries.

Had Africa been a single country, if not entire Africa like Arabs of Nodth, at least all black countries, story of Africa as well as world would have been different.

A single large African country would be having first hand effective solutions for security and would have made great powers to compromise many times like in cases China & India did. A single state would have established a better coordination too.

Not saying it would have been a developed country. But still better than what it happens to be today.

If Europe would have united at right time (now it's declining and will be very weak soon), it would have been a bigger superpower than USA or Europe.

Stephenmoka4:
Like I mentioned before, India to Africa is a nay to me, yes India can have a population over Africa. I can think of China against North America (N.A is still a favorite to me) or Nigeria to Australia (Australia is still a favorite)

Whatever the case may be, it's everyone's choice.

Let's put it straight and stop comparing apple and oranges. Western countries you are pulling repeatedly here have different realities and no relevance to our concerns.

Canada and Australia have natural resources and a US security cover which played a great role in their development. US/N. America has lower population than China/India but still substantial and much higher resources per capita. No individual African country we have here to compare in terms of challenges and sizes (we will have later but not now).

In terms overall size, challenges and time or starting, perfect overview will be:

People's Republic of China; Republic of India; African continent as a whole

Post WW2, they were most poor boys of world and studying their histories and trajectories as a whole will help us to understand about global economic behavior, world's future and possible solutions to persisting problems.

darfay:
South Africa, Tunisia, Algeria are worlds ahead of India

They are a bit up but worlds ahead my foot.
Their GDP per capita and HDI are just 5-7 years ahead of India that even because of natural resources only which India will overtake easily in next 10 years even at its slowest speed.
Even upper middle income countries of Eastern Europe aren't more than decades away from India, leave alone middleastern North African countries. They will soon fall behind black Africans also as world transfers to energy efficient systems.

In terms of inequality adjusted indicators, they start to suck in things like poverty, education and healthcare. South Africa is worst among them.

In terms of modernity, technology, IPRs, political system and free society, India isn't outshined by any country outside far east, Russia and western world.

Birniwa:
I was going to take this post seriously until I Saw India on the list. For your own info, as of 2019; the population of India was 1.5 billion people which is more than 8x that of Nigeria of only a little over 200 million people.

Population of India in 2019 was 1.32 billion, 1.5 billion won't come before next 15-20 years.

Birniwa:
Nigeria with almost 10x less population compared to that of India didn't make your sh!t list but India did.

Nigeria's overall population growth rate is 3 to 5 times of India.

omoharry:
when it comes to population, India na our big brother.You cannot compare 180-200 million to Over a billion in population as what we have in India and China.I stand at attention and throw-way salute to India and china for thier population.
They look very conservative and behave like prude but they are very very sexual beings.

Population growth rates of China & India are very low against Africa.
India has nearly reached the replacement rate where it's population will soon stop increasing meanwhile Chinese population growth rate has already turned negative.

For the very historical reason that China and India had world's largest agrarian lands, their food production was able to sustain large and dense settlements. So, so many people came and settled there. Meanwhile people in other parts of world either died of famines or migrated altogether.

Stephenmoka4:
Using a country against a continent is not worth comparing or an unwise pick as continent carry way too much load.

I'm not using a simple country against a continent either. I'm picking up India, a country whose population exceeds that of Africa, is instead low at natural resources and landmass.

They are very similar in terms of population and their states of developments when they started in 50s and 60s.

Africa came here because Africans just like Europeans tend to have their African identity unlike Asians who have dumped pan Asianism long ago against nationalism.

Nevertheless, you can compare anything with anything.

Stephenmoka4:
There are always places in Asia that will beat Canada e.g Singapore but, Canada can beat Asia with its HDI of course, there are many low HDI countries that will bring Asia's average HDI value down.

For sure Canada is many times better place than average "Asia" to live in except few Asian places.
How many times you want to listen it? I didn't deny.

Whatever natural advantage Canada has is another topic but yes, it is better.
Whether Asians are catching up is also another topic (which is who "is" good vs who is "doing" good).

Stephenmoka4:
They are just so many places in Africa that will definitely overwrites places in India, everywhere have their down sides too but, Africa alone vs India in terms of places, I'll still consider Africa.

It doesn't make any sense simply. For every single African place outshining India's, India will have dozens of even better places.
If India's average is better, it's obvious that density of development should be much higher here. Africa can't have worse average than India if is overally preferably place over India.

I'm not saying that everything doesn't have it's bright and dark sides. But at least in context of development, you can't find any justification here.

India is still a lower middle income country but it has made great strides in lifting it's people since 90s. It is disputed by no one.

Stephenmoka4:
For me I see HDI as a means of giving an insight on how a country is likely to be, e.g Australia do have better HDI than USA but, I'll consider USA same applies to Norway against UK. I'll still consider UK over Norway.

Obviously, US & UK are more modern, technologically more advanced and able to sustain themselves.

Same applies to India when compared with those small number of African countries HDI above India. Mostly rural but have certain indicators above India for various reasons.

Witcher:
That's great
Seems like a good guy but only part of his story is bad luck. He made some poor choices as well. He'd have been better off working in a tire store to begin with than pursuing a presidency. Do the math. Yeah u heard me right Atiku
Meanwhile Good job buratai
But the only thing that will make Nigeria great is communism

Communism doesn't make any country great. It only brings glooms, famines and eventually wipes out that country from the world map!

spendoon:
Alot India has a literacy rate of 50% and they are still better than alot of countries in Africa with a literacy rate of about 50% besides the north is currently working on its education issues just give us 5 good years and see

50%? India's literacy rate is more than 80%.

Stephenmoka4:
I usually think South Africa, Egypt, Seychelles, Mauritius or even Libya etc have a better HDI than india

South Africa is far behind in Inequality adjusted HDI. Seychelles and Mauritius are too small to compare as most island countries have good HDI (and Seychelles and Mauritius are African only geographically not ethnically).

A couple of cherry picked countries won't put African average anywhere near world. Moreover, even these cherrypick countries have holes in development and lag behind India in many indicators despite higher HDIs.

Over that, India's GDP per capita growth and HDI improvement rates are sufficient enough to surpass even these countries in a couple of years.
Everyone of them except Seychelles and Mauritius.

WIZGUY69:
See your dreams country here: https://www.nairaland.com/5682247/28-days-10000-miles-railway/23#86888344

Go through it like you're preparing for an Exact.

This is a loser's post and doesn't make any difference. Development indicators display very well where Africa stands against India.

These trains won't even remain in India in next two decades as India has moved manufacturing other rolling stocks now.

We have pretty good even now. And will be great even before our GDP per capita reaches $20,000 in 2030.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vande_Bharat_Express

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_rail_transport_in_India

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_India

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_rail_transit_in_India