₦airaland Forum

olas24u:
in India they have 3thousand GOD,s and nothing of such in that country.

330 million Gods not three thousands. And not all Hindus believe in God. Some have their own set of Gods, some believe in a shapeless one God while rest are atheists, lot of Hindus don't believe in God. Definition of religion is different in India and East Asia from rest of the world.

obaaderemi:
You are correct, goel. How is India today?

From dirty to good places. Hottest to coldest weather & landscapes. Every kind of things are here.

obaaderemi:
It's already getting quiet from the Kenyans. For two days now,they've been quiet due to an exposé done by a Tanzanian and one of their own.For their sake I hope they stay that way.But if they choose to continue,it's their funeral and the Nigerians won't send flowers.

Seriously, you "exposed him" on internet. There might be lot of dirty places in Nigeria as well. Every country has good & bad places.
Forming an opinion about someone that's comfortable to you is ignorance. Kenya has some awesome places too.

Kazikazi:
How is the Kashmir war? Have you managed to settle your differences?

It's horribly absurd to compare this internet words war with Indo Pakistani wars. Our countries have differences for historical reasons. They are secessionists while we (Republic of India) is the successor of historical Indian Civilization and wishing to unite everyone again.

Your countries don't have any kind of ideological differences. You both are a part of African civilization with African race fighting with your family like secessionists..

NairobiWalker:
How's the Pakistan vs India battle going on?

Escalating and deescalating. Pakistan can't afford a war while India doesn't seem interested in a war. US trade war has reached India after China and hurting us.

However, we will continue with this aggressive posture from now on. Once tightened screw on Pakistan is making them work catiously and made work easy for India. Soon it will be new normal and Pakistan will learn to live under India like Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka & Bangladesh.

More than 4,000 damned pages of offenses!!
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Dear Afro friends, how much you guys gonna fight each other?

andrewza:
Defense ministers are political figures and know nothing of Planing or any thing about the Miltary. They rely on Miltary officials to advise them on these issues



My experience with Indian navy is first hand. We do a annual exersize with India.



When it comes to the corvet side of naval operation south africa has a lot of war time experience

Fine, your experience with Indian Navy is better than me? List me up the inventory of next 10 years.

SerikinGamo:
Experience? Andrewza is in the Navy

Being in Navy doesn't impart the experience of one in military engineering services or a strategist. A reason why common soldiers aren't made defense ministers.

andrewza:
As I said first hand experience. I know no navy has ever found one of our subs in war games. But just tge general feel I get about them has me think they would not find a Pakistan Submarine if one got to sea.





Unrelated, Pakistan subs where meant to be south african

1. SA doesn't have so much naval engagements unlike great powers.
2. SAis irrelevant to our discussion. Submarines planned to be sold to SA being sold to Pakistan doesn't make anything stealth.

andrewza:
Let just say my opinions are based on first hand experience

I'm a far more experienced defense enthusiast than yeah. And asking me to just judge you and believe you won't make you win arguments.

Pakistanis themselves are more intelligent than you. And that's why they are running from one platform to other for escaping.

sufferNsmiling:
Just look at ghana it now the fastest developing country in africa and ghana has overtaken india in development.

Not development but GDP growth. It doesn't matter because India's GDP per capita growth is almost double of Ghana and is already ahead and growing faster in all other indicators.
While Ghana's GDP is a result of temporary market boom, India's rise permanent because of its industry.
Hope it helps you
http://atlas.cid.harvard.edu/rankings/growth-projections/

The real tiger in Africa is still RSA.

Ifyjoshblaze:
Still not getting it....
I know I mentioned Hinduism but the point I was trying to make was "other religions"
I get your drift though.

I got your point very well but you dragged wrong example. You'd be better with a country like Israel who's Jew in your example.

Hinduism isn't a religion to which you can be converted to. Westerners misinterpreted various Indian communities together as a religion. We don't have a dedicated religion even we follow, leave alone converting you.
Many Hindu communities don't even believe on God.

Ifyjoshblaze:
Think about the word "IF" and what it means

Still not. Even if we believe that India would have started to colonize countries, Indians don't have a habit of imposing their culture or beliefs on others.

Unlike Muslims & Christians, Hindus don't follow any books or rigid personal religious laws. By our definition, as long as you are living a righteous and honest life with principles, no matter what if you believe in any God or you are an atheist. You will be called a Hindu.

We don't have anything to impose on you and convert you guys. Seriously

drips8:
If Nigeria was colonized by a nation like india,probably all Nigerian Christians would be practicing Hinduism or Buddhism.

1. India is not a colonial power. It's actually an anti colonial country who founded the anti imperialist and anti totalarist non aligned "third world". Hindus didn't attack around world unlike Muslims and Christians to teach religion to foreign people.
2. Hinduism is not a single religion but a set of Indian religions who have Indian monotheistic, Indian polytheistic and Indian atheists culture, mistaken by west as one religion.

andrewza:
Fancy gear does not mean much if you don't have the experience.

India has been involved in war games with lot lot of countries in past few years in case yeah don't know.

andrewza:
Other than the ASW helcopters something that the Pakistan Airforce could help mitigate by putting on pressure

Of what?

andrewza:
I don't see India stopping a submarine before it is to late. Sorry the Indian navy does not inspire me or fill me with convediance in the idea of blockading Pakistan
More so since Pakistan is closely allied to China.

I just don't get you. Pakistani subs aren't stealthy either.
Nor their coastline is very long or range of their weapons is that high to operate in middle of main sea.

What is the logic involved for not stopping them before its late? Second, China has nothing to do with it.

andrewza:
3 subs even if old are deadly. They only need to luck on one carrier to really embrace India. As I said

The logic is going to work only if Pakistan behaves like a suicide bomber who is ready to give damage to enemy in case wipes out.

At the first place, a carrier doesn't sale alone. It has a group of ships protecting it. The question isn't that if Pakistan needs destroy carrier. It is can it and how can it reach carrier to destroy it?

andrewza:
I was more on how India has never found a SA sub in wargames.

But to anserw your question sa anti sub is focused around our 3 subs. Our frigates do have anti subcablities and we did tets there torpedoes. But using a surface ship to hunt a sub is not a good idea.

May be, it depends upon the kind of equipment India was using at that particular time and the tactics SA sailors were using.
India has an extensive set of ASW tools including helicopters, destroyers, frigates & giant corvettes.

In past 4-5 years India has and in next 4-5 years India will, commissioned and will commission some of most advanced stealth warships. We have been making submarines literally called "stealth".

By the way, I was more about capabilities of Pakistan & Pakistan isn't a big threat for sure.

andrewza:
They have yet to find one of our subs in a wargame in South Africa. I think a lone Pakistan submarine could be a real threat

What the are details of South African Anti Submarine Warfare capabilities?

Jonraid:
1.My point was-Stability.Security is key.I don't know if Boko Haram can kick more ass than Al shabab.But Alshabab or any other group a threat to us shouldn't be given any chances.

What else I'm saying? Stability, Capitalism with socialist foundation and connectivity.

Jonraid:
2.Kenya identifies itself as a capitalistic state.Well,I guess there are levels of how capitalistic we are.But that's the point!

Depends upon flexibility of policies. China and India are officially socialist states, are running more capitalistic economies than many European countries.
Russia ones global symbol of socialism is ran by Oligarchs.

Jonraid:
3.Countries should look forward to diversify a bit,look at Angola with a much lesser population than Kenya which has been 'found out' in the now global oil crisis.It's now that it wants to diversify.I guess,there are levels at how we should be diversified.I think we shouldn't have less than four key 'revenue pots'!

Don't confuse switching with diversification.

UAE is actually diversifying its economy to foray into wide range of sectors while KSA is only trying to switch from one product to other.
Reason is that 4 countries, US, China, India & Japan consume more oil than rest of world combined. They all have targets to eliminate petroleum based ICE engines from their countries and run electric cars in next 2-3 decades. Even if they are 30% successful in their task, countries dependent upon oil will land in great crisus.

Another example would be Bangladesh vs India. India is dependent upon wide range of services and products for its economy while Bangladesh is on textiles. In short term, Bangladesh even pegged better growth than India. But on 20 years average, India has been and is projected to remain better as it is immune to economic recession one particular sector.

Now, in context of industrialization and mass production, bigger countries have advantage to produce in multiple sectors in bigger number.

andrewza:
Haven seen the Indian navy and knowing Pakistan operates subs a blockade could work but it would be costly. I don't rate the Indian navy that high

India has far bigger number of submarines and anti submarine warfare equipments. Besides 3 Ahista class submarines of PN, Pakistani submarine fleet is ancient. I would be far more scared from Iran rather than Pakistan.
I don't say that Indian Navy won't have any damage. But it will win by a very very large margin. India is trying similar efforts with aerospace technology too.

Hope next decade brings similar rise of Indian Air Power.

Being fair for Navy, put the Indian Navy on one side & rest all other Navies on or around Indian Ocean at other side and compare. India still would have advantage.

samorobo:
Nigeria is on that part cause our industrial sector is waxing stronger with efficient infastructure put in place......check my post from 2 pages behind

Well may be, I just don't know about Nigeria. We may come to know from ECI Index in next 5 years.

Kazikazi:
Any advice about eradicating slums in Africa? Or fighting hunger?

As I told before, those are not your shortcomings but results of shortcomings. As per capita incomes of country's called "poor" is mostly below $2,000 and wealth below $10,000 which is real shortcoming. These are problems arose in long term. So, will be solved in long term. India took 24 years to bring down its slum population from 63% in 1991 to 24% in 2015. Although its rank bad in hunger (because Indians are underweight and have lack of protein being vegetarians and not because they can't afford food).

Redistribution of money or forced improvement of these things only gives short lived solutions.

Very basic thing, if people can afford to live at good place, why would they live at slums? When there will be infrastructure, why will any place become slum?

Jonraid:
Apologies taken.

I guess Nigeria can follow this path.I just can't see some of these suggestions being implemented here(in Kenya). But point one and two can and maybe five! We have the Al shabab menace on our part that I agree must be dealt with!

Al Shabab isn't as powerful as Boko Haram. It's not that influential. As for difference between Kenyan & Bangladeshi Socialist vs Chinese & Indian Capitalist models, study this:
http://atlas.cid.harvard.edu/rankings/growth-projections/
Economic diversification may not be that effective in a low income + low population country like Kenya but Nigeria can implement it definitely.

rvp2018:
This doesn't apply for all countries. What applies to all countries is to :-

I'm just saying its suitable for Nigeria.
Let's see because you went deep into same what I said.

rvp2018:
1) Accelerate broad-based diversified equitable economic growth through private & public investment.

Capitalism

rvp2018:
2) Reduce population growth by having less,well spaced & healthy kids.

It is "how you are going to do it" and to what extent. Congo keeps multiplaying its population which is a problem while Japanese population decline is actually causing poverty to re emerge. Country's like Argentina, developed in past are now becoming developing countries. What could be the reason?

There are three kinds of people in any society,
1. Kids
2. Adults
3. Olds
Only adults are upon which nation is dependent. Rest 2 are dependent upon their parents/children/government for taking after pension.

Developed countries aren't growing anymore and having demographic dividend like them isn't going to help Africa.

rvp2018:
3) Do both 1 & 2 - consistently for a long period - 20-30yrs - and poverty start becoming history.

Be clear, those are other human development indicators. You are talking about poverty which is lack of money. So, poverty has only thing to with money.
Increasing money in system boosting per capita incomes and then heading to a wage lead economic growth.

rvp2018:
To achieve #3) - you need stable and predictable environment that includes avoiding wars, political crisis and then pray for - global/exogenous risks - that are beyond the country control.

Stability

AlhajiYoung:
Pakistani is NOT the same thing as Palestine

India isn't Israel either. Only outside powers like US, EU, Russia & China can challenge India. All countries together in this region and nearby regions can't stand against India alone.

Jonraid:
I'd give props to India on how they have brought down their population of people in poverty to two digits down from three.That isn't an easy feat knowing Indians count past a billion people. The rest have nothing to stand upon especially Nigeria!

Maybe Goel can tell us how they did it!

This is easier than you guys think.
1. Stabilize the country (kill Boko haram like we crushed insurgencies).
2. Try to pull people out of agriculture to industrial & service sector.
3. Keep your wages initially lower than other countries. It will automatically go up when your products being cheap will start selling and their demand increases.
4. Remove most duties from exports & imports. Let your currency fall & reach its real value.
5. Define the level of poverty in your country's standards (not international standards) like $0.25 to $0.5 /day /person and first try to guarantee this income at least to poor population. Because our incomes are low, definition of Rich & Poor people are different totally in Europe, Asia & Africa.

& sorry for replying late.

Litmus:
Deport them all

Unfortunately, I get the impression Nigeria does not keep such records or bother with immigration as others seem to in Africa. Deport the illegal Africans in Nigeria and watch as India again overtakes Nigeria as poverty capital of the world. Nigeria is simply attracting the dredges from all of West Africa and to some extent Central Africa. We spiral statistically ever poorer as we attract and add their poor to ours and they become statistically wealthier as their wealthier remain in their countries. Looked at like this and our label, Poverty Capital of the world, begins to make sense in another way.

India too has 60 millions+ illegal immigrants from neighboring countries. India pulled even lot of them out of poverty as its economic boom is happening.
If India pushes them out; extreme poverty will be close to zero; both in numbers & percentage.

Mizwisdom:
US is always fair & balanced in all their assessment

US news is most useless source. It has no factual or statistical basis but their brainfarts.

Last time, they declared Israel to be more powerful than China & India.

denjjy:
Hello Goel,
see, I want to apologize for all I've said about your dear country. I was only trying to be funny. I hope you will accept my apology. To be sincere India is one of the countries that one day I would love to tour, hopefully I will meet some of the Bollywood stars and my childhood friend Ali. But I'm very scare to go to India because of the fear that I will not see a toilet being the rarerest thing in India.

Well, India isn't a very great place to live either. It is just next to worst. And we are just trying to transform it into an upper middle income country like Thailand if not developed like Japan.
We are just a bunch of losers who didn't fight when foreigners came and now winning. Our country is much like East Asia in 80s or Westerner world on 1920s-30s.

After struggles, we made sure that no one is so extremely poor that they can't earn enough to eat in India. But t'was just one step. A lot more more luxuries are to be transformed into necessities.

I'm only attacking stereotypes and I personally don't have anything with Afros. Indians have a highly mixed ethnicity so you won't face discrimination for color at least.

Our problems, situations, capabilities, sizes and history were totally different. So, let's not compare with each other. It's unfair.
Regards

WTO agreement does not allow you to put sanctions on any country. So, when still US still does it, Russia, China & India don't give damn.

denjjy:
wao! If you can write a long text like the one above to counter my claim, I think you deserves a well conducive toilet.

Last time I checked; people without access to toilets:
India : 23 millions (1.4%)
Nigeria: 47 millions (23.5%)

So, Nigeria is open defecation capital also along with extreme poverty capital. India was never comparable to your countries because India was only big in numbers and not percentage. Indian living standards are similar to Southeast Asia or nothern part of South Ameica.

FYsol:
lol. But this is still a fair ranking. The issue with stuff like this is tourist base their decisions on them.

This is not fair in any way.
World Tourism rankings are totally different from this list.

obaaderemi:
Even at that or because of that, you are mostly in the news for the wrong reasons. For example, the constant report that 60% of Nairobi's people live in slums-- a claim many Little Indians say is influenced by the presence of these international organizations.

I guess less than 20% of Indians live in slums.

US News is a bullshit source. They don't rank coubtries on basis of reality, facts and statistics but their brainfarts.

denjjy:
Afterall we're still better than India

Yes indeed. You Nigerians should ask your buddies to leave India. LOL, our country will collapse if Nigerians leave us.
For the matter for fact with pun, in all development and technological indicators or any aspect of anything, Nigeria is light years behind India.

India is perfect example of how to to survive and stand up again when you got no natural resources, have hostile neighbours, Americans are sanctioning, challenged by terrorists.

While Nigeria is perfect example of about how to fail your country despite having everything.

Democracy, stability, culture, economy, foreign policy, technology, income, poverty, human development index, infant mortality, hunger, wars, nuclear weapons, space sector, medical sector, mega cities, international politics, films, agriculture, industrialization, service sector, ICT, exports, forex, Petroleum products (Nigeria produces oil but India buys oil to change it into products and exports), low rape rate, low murder and other crime rate, corruption, literacy, education, weapons, population control or anything I can remind.

Not to mention India's military capabilities at a broad spectrum only outperfotned by world's greatest powers only.

Nigeria is giant of Africa, India is a giant more powerful than entire Africa or South America.

ugo4u:
Remove Egypt from your list, aside Iran and Israel I don't see any middle Eastern country that will defeat the Egyptians in whatever form of warfare, even an open confrontation with Israel will be too bloody on both sides. Don't underestimate the Egyptians.

History says that Egypt even in coalition was beaten as badly by Israel alone as they have beaten other Arabs.
Just look at the losses of Egypt against this small country despite huge geographic & numerical advantage.

For any other country in middle east, UAE has an air force capable of giving unacceptable damage to even China, India and Russia, leave alone Egypt.

But yes, not many countries in middle east are strongetr than Egypt. Remember what I said? Arabs have worst military skills in world. Its meaningless because Egypt can't stand against any professional military outside greater middle east. Because no Arab military is capable at first place. Stop taking pride in calling yourself Egyptians, this country is now controlled by Arabs.
Any one of great power like US, UK, France, Russia, China, India, Japan or Germany can finish all Arabs countries combined alone.