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Lol if firstborn means supremeruler then can we also say that God is firstborn 🤣 or that those of us who are firstborns are rulers 😂😹

Lol agents of darkness keep roaming around looking for whom to destroy, telling you that no one in the universe has God's nature, expect their god the son

To worship God is to submit to God, to worship any other is to submit to them, so worship none other as God.

The level of submission we give to God should remain the highest and the greatest, He should be above all in our lives, be is our leaders, Lords and even husbands.

If they don't brainwash the AI, watch how most of what they say wont have Bible references, lol it would be funny, like Becky eneche you will return to zero if you don't tithe, scene where AI is booting or they turn it off 😂🤣😹

Where should they look their best to before, if not before the most important being in the universe.

If you want to see important people in your Nation or locality will you not wear your best inside and outside

SeriouslySense:
2 Corinthians 1, and going to Chapter two

Paul was talking about why he changed his plans to visit the Corinthians, because Paul always assured them and always said yes in faith, but he changes his mind because he understood it will test their faith and help them grow,

So in Christ we have full assurance despite any circumstance, by faith and by growing in faith. I don't fully understand the passages yet

the Holy Spirit aid your understanding and teach you more in Jesus name. What you have written in simple words is right

Let me share with you from 2 Corinthians 1

2Cor.1.3 - 4 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves have received from God.

The God of all comfort is not another God, He is the one true God, the only God who comforts us in our troubles. Now how can those who have all things be in trouble? Or maybe the comfort is giving all things to those who are in trouble so that they can comfort others in trouble by giving them things as well, the things we received from God. If that is so, then what are these things we receive from God that comforts us, are they money, stuffs, so that when we receive them we can also share them

2Cor.1.5 For just as the sufferings of Christ flow over into our lives, so also through Christ our comfort overflows.

So through Christ we suffer and through him we receive comfort

Why should we suffer in the first place

2Cor.1.6 - 7 So when we are weighed down with troubles, it is for your benefit and salvation! For when God comforts us, it is so that we, in turn, can be an encouragement to you. Then you can patiently endure the same things we suffer. We are confident that as you share in suffering, you will also share God's comfort.

But still we have to ask, what is this comfort that comes from God through Christ Jesus.

Verses 8-11 may mean the comfort is God deliverance, especially from deadly situations as He has delivered us from the great death. Deliverance because they helped in prayers

Then Paul writing concerning the message they preached, which isn't double standard of yes and no

2Cor.1.18-19 But as surely as God is faithful, our message to you is not "Yes" and "No." For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by me and Silas and Timothy, was not "Yes" and "No," but in him it has always been "Yes."

Therefore God's promises in the Gospel are yes and amen

Because what God says he will do He will do

But well Paul, who had planned to see them 2Cor.1.17 You may be asking why I changed my plan. Hadn't I made up my mind yet? Or am I like people of the world who say yes when they really mean no? (NLT)
2Cor.1.17 When I planned this, did I do it lightly? Or do I make my plans in a worldly manner so that in the same breath I say, "Yes, yes" and "No, no"? (NIV)

But unlike God, Paul is human, things happen
2Cor.1.23 Now I call upon God as my witness that I am telling the truth. The reason I didn't return to Corinth was to spare you from a severe rebuke.

irrelevant:
Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom. Matthew 16:28!

Jesus didn't come and all the people don kpai finish!

and Jesus also said in Mark.12.27 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!" and recorded by Matthew in Matt.22.32 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living." (ALL) so is Abraham, Isaac and Jacob not dead? If they are to you, how come God is still their God, when He is not the God of the dead?

wellmax:
He fled because he wants to protect his soul.
God help us.

exactly, she could control a king, a kingdom and pull down prophets... she wasn't ordinary

cutecommend:
Jezebel may have done some diabolic things against him before threatening him.

like putting on make up and planning to bewitch him, makes sense why he ran and didn't even Elisha avoid

Rev.2.20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. (ALL)

1Thess.5.22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

solar007:
Some speakers will just put on the ego as if they are God while on the pulpit talking, talking and repeating till the congregation will stop having interest in the topic

why should any man who wasn't sent by God even mount a pulpit for 5secs self

But crowd engagement doesn't even mean they were sent by God as well, because a person can engage the audience for long doesn't mean they were not speaking from their ego and self

Baileyz101:
30 mins to an 45 mins is ideal. it shouldnt exceed 1 hour. No be one day man go change. If you calculate all the hours of sermons u have listened to since dem born u. e don pass 1000 hours and u still no wan change. So its not really about the hours, however, it should be minimal

if you feed well for one week as regularly as possible it would be different from someone drinking only tea once a day for even a year

brain54:
That's indiscipline if the teacher preacher is given 45 mins...

And ends up preaching for 1.30 mins.

It's inconsiderate in my mind.

A good sermon shouldn't go pass an hour.

45 mins is standard but any longer than 1hr is already dragging.

I admit that they are good, charismatic speakers that would take the stage for 2 hours and you wouldn't even feel like it was 30mins and you will keep yearning for more.

But standard should be 45 mins...but not more than 1hour!

lol standard, some classes last more than 1hr, some seminars have teachers take us for longer than one hour. The issue is most people's attention span has severely dropped, they mentally get distracted by devilish thoughts like what else they could be doing now.


Sermons shouldnt be too long sha so people can even remember what they heard but even when it's 30mins or less same set that get tired of a long Bible class wouldn't even remember what was taught in 30mins.


I don't think the time for a message should be determined by those that really don't care about the message it's self, there should be freedom for people to leave when they are tired of pretending to be in that meeting 😁😀

seunlayi:
Related to How long do pastors usually speak for during their sermons? What time do you think is considered too long or short by most people who attend these churches regularly?

did Jesus not teach for three days though? If to you God's word is food, you eat till you are full and leave others who wish to remain

Mark.6.34 And Jesus, when He came out, saw a great multitude and was moved with compassion for them, because they were like sheep not having a shepherd. So He began to teach them many things. (Matt 15:32 says it was for three days, even if it's was a whole day self to some of us that's already too long)

"They pray and cry for what they should simply acknowledge and receive by faith."

Yet James wrote in Jas.4.2 - 3
You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.


Even the context of the things mentioned in 1 Corin 3 and Romans 8 pertain to salvation

Isa.62.6 O Jerusalem, I have posted watchmen on your walls; they will pray to the LORD day and night for the fulfillment of his promises. Take no rest, all you who pray.

Every blessing you can ever imagine?

2Pet.1.3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, (NKJV)

THINGS THAT PERTAIN THAT ARE NEEDED FOR YOU TO OBEY GOD AND LIVE A GODLY LIFE

Amen means SO LET IT BE, yet according to you, it is not pending and people don't have to wait

Heb.6.15 And so after waiting patiently, Abraham received what was promised. (NIV)

Isa.40.31 But those who wait on the LORD Shall renew their strength; They shall mount up with wings like eagles, They shall run and not be weary, They shall walk and not faint. (NKJV)

2Pet.3.9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. (NIV)

Jas.5.7 - 8
Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain. You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand.

Phil.3.10-12
I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, and so, somehow, to attain to the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. (NIV)

WeirdAlien:
No one knows precisely. Simple answer!

And I don't see how the answer to that question impacts your faith or living with a pure heart.

let me show you how, do you believe that Satan was the first worshipper or the choir leader in heaven and that those men of cloth are right to use it as warning to choristers, even some claim it's not a ministry or it's a place Satan likes to dwell and the like of that talk

But none of it is online with scripture nor God's revelation


Jesus said God seeks those who worship Him in spirit and in truth and he also said we shall worship only God and none other.

I believe one who worships God will all their heart won't one day desire to be worshipped and exalt themselves as a god

sonmvayina:
The problem with this idea is that it is misleading. There is no being called Lucifer because Lucifer is not a proper name of any being. It is a title. Infact it is one of the titles of the Mary, mother of Jesus. It literally means "light bearer". It was first used by Jerome in his latin Vulgate. (I am writing a book, titled Lucifer:Greatest deception) I elaborated on the Lucifer and how Christianity goes all the way to the worship of Inanna, and all the sex orgies and all they were having all over the place in my book. I made all the expositions.
Lucifer is Inanna, she is also Aphrodite/Venus/Ishtar/Isis....etc. she is the queen of heaven and the morning star. She is the goddess of war, death and destruction. She is a deceiver and an enemy of Marduk. She is not Marduk spouse, contrary to what Christian will want us to believe.

but are they not right to say that Lucifer their god is the parent of their other god the son

oridavid:
I don't know anything about that.

so basically you had no answer to the question and had no intention of answering

oridavid:
I guess

those who believe that Jesus is god would not say that Jesus is the Adam of the new world

Gabrielshow24:
You should be asking yourself these questions because a supposedly educated person would have understood God's concept of transcendency 😂instead you continue to ask mundane questions about it🤨. It seriously casts aspersions on your educational background.

Pls tell us, is God above all in any limits?🤨

you can't tell the difference between God being above all limits, above all things and your god rising beyond all limits, so your god was struggling and overcame limitations, no wonder you believe Jesus is your god.

oridavid:
I don't see how that connects to the topic at hand.

do you need to see that before you answer?

oridavid:
This is not Jesus's world. This is the first Adam's world.

But in the new world where Jesus is the Adam, he'll train animals to behave better and all the chaos and selfishness that we see in the animal kingdom will cease.

I think you should focus on the word "train" and not conflate it with "teach."

Jesus the "Adam" of the new world, my question oridavid is he God?

oridavid:
Many assume Satan was once an angel, but the Bible never explicitly states this. While popular tradition teaches that he is a fallen angel, Scripture only implies it indirectly—never with clear, direct language.

1. No Verse really Calls Satan an Angel
The Bible mentions angels thousands of times and Satan dozens of times, yet nowhere does it say, "Satan was an angel." Even in Revelation 12:7-9, where Satan leads rebellious angels, he is called a "dragon" and "devil"—not an angel.

2. Ezekiel 28’s "Cherub" is Symbolic
Ezekiel 28 describes a glorious "guardian cherub" who fell, but this is directed at the “human king” (v. 12). Linking it to Satan is traditional, not a direct biblical statement.

3. Isaiah 14’s "Morning Star" Refers to a King
Isaiah 14:12-15 speaks of a proud ruler (the king of Babylon) cast down—not Satan. The name "Lucifer" comes from Latin translation, not the original Hebrew.

4. Fallen Angels ≠ Satan
Jude 1:6 and 2 Peter 2:4 mention angels who sinned, but Satan is never included in those groups.
Conclusion: Tradition, Not Scripture
The belief that Satan was an angel comes from later theology, not the Bible itself. Scripture describes Satan as an adversary, tempter, and ruler of this world—but never as a fallen angel.
If we continue to believe Satan is an angel, the Bible simply doesn’t support it.

chiedu emperorisaac

oridavid:
Many assume Satan was once an angel, but the Bible never explicitly states this. While popular tradition teaches that he is a fallen angel, Scripture only implies it indirectly—never with clear, direct language.

1. No Verse really Calls Satan an Angel
The Bible mentions angels thousands of times and Satan dozens of times, yet nowhere does it say, "Satan was an angel." Even in Revelation 12:7-9, where Satan leads rebellious angels, he is called a "dragon" and "devil"—not an angel.

2. Ezekiel 28’s "Cherub" is Symbolic
Ezekiel 28 describes a glorious "guardian cherub" who fell, but this is directed at the “human king” (v. 12). Linking it to Satan is traditional, not a direct biblical statement.

3. Isaiah 14’s "Morning Star" Refers to a King
Isaiah 14:12-15 speaks of a proud ruler (the king of Babylon) cast down—not Satan. The name "Lucifer" comes from Latin translation, not the original Hebrew.

4. Fallen Angels ≠ Satan
Jude 1:6 and 2 Peter 2:4 mention angels who sinned, but Satan is never included in those groups.
Conclusion: Tradition, Not Scripture
The belief that Satan was an angel comes from later theology, not the Bible itself. Scripture describes Satan as an adversary, tempter, and ruler of this world—but never as a fallen angel.
If we continue to believe Satan is an angel, the Bible simply doesn’t support it.

lol I literally have a thread asking people where it states that Satan was a choir leader and recently told one of them that the Bible never called Satan an angel

Gabrielshow24:
You continue to misunderstand and misapply the concept of God's transcendence, which describes God's existence as being outside and beyond the material universe and human understanding, not originating from a prior point or transcending something specific in a physical sense. Instead, it's a fundamental aspect of divine nature, asserting God's infinite, eternal, and self-existing essence in contrast to creation's finite and dependent nature. 😂

When applied to God, "transcendence" is not about a physical journey from one point to another. It describes God's inherent being as distinct from, and not limited by, the created universe—The concept of transcendence doesn't ask for a point of origin or an object that God moved beyond. God, in His nature, is already beyond all created things🤷.

If you can't understand this simple thing😂, then you need to go back to sunday school.
No, christian will say God is not transcendent🤨

Cc: gollf

misapply? If they ask you if I was the one that refered to God as a transcendent you will start writing long irrelevant stories.

Sorry to ask but are you educated? If you are not, I understand but you have you calm down and understand what exactly it is you are reading and writing, or at least crosscheck it.

Emusan:
Kai see logic

Is this how every words derive their meanings

See person who is claiming to be more knowledgeable

it's not that information is not available, even if we go from google to ai, some will still love and prefer ignorance.

Transcendence refers to the state of rising above or going beyond ordinary limits, whether physical, material, or mental.

Chiedu7 listen or read carefully Isaiah never called Lucifer or helel a morning star, the term he would have used if he did like was used in Job 38:7 is stars and that's why when Isaiah then mentions the angels in verse 13 he uses the term kokab, lekokab el, the stars of God, who obviously were above him

You can choose to continue to believe in fables, fairytales and fantasies or believe what is actually written

Now he was an anointed cherub whose job was to cover or protect something, which was likely a sacred place, like Ezekiel mentioned in chapter 28:14 & 16

Gabrielshow24:
Wisdom is not common 😂.
You definitely are not a Christian! Everyone should note that gohf's god is not transcendental 😂.

God's transcendence means that God is distinct from, superior to, and independent of the created universe, existing beyond its limitations of space, time, and understanding.

Pls, work on your understanding before exposing yourself like this...just bad🥱.

Before we talk about wisdom let's talk about ignorance, yours in this case

Transcendence comes from the Latin prefix trans-, meaning "beyond," and the word scandare, meaning "to climb." When you achieve transcendence, you have gone beyond ordinary limitations.


If one lacks knowledge, proper knowledge and know what is true and right, how can they be wise?

Where did God transcend from, who did He transcend? There has not been an answer to those who claimed their God is transcendental till date.

Let me simplify the question, where did your God climb out from?

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When I said it in this post https://www.nairaland.com/8509508/god-human-form#136639639
that this guy is teaching people to become gods, some Angela dude was telling me I should leave God to judge. Lol as if I wasn't leaving God to judge and God will judge, according to the truth He has revealed.

Here again he is telling you you where created to act and speak like God, better go and check what happened to that being that tried it and got thrown down to hell

FxMasterz:
Who did Boaz redeem?

Leviticus 25 says a kinsman can redeem his kinsman. Boaz did that with cash. It's a custom in Israel according to the law. Boaz didn't redeem humanity. Jesus did. He did that without cash.

By the way, is it only the Redeemer side of the post that you have issues with? You need to raise issues with all the single items raised on all three threads to dismantle the Divnity of Christ.

Again, God and Christ are designated Redeemer, not Redeemers of mankind. Who then is Jesus?

bro when I did that previously you ignored the post.