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Ken4Christ:
Below are Scripture Evidence that Jesus is worshipped. Refute each of them with reasonable arguments that they weren't worships otherwise remain silent forever on this issue:

During Jesus' Earthly Ministry

1. The Wise Men Worship Jesus – Matthew 2:11
"And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him..."

2. A Leper Worships Jesus – Matthew 8:2
"And behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.’"

3. A Ruler Worships Jesus – Matthew 9:18
"While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.’"

4. The Disciples Worship Jesus After Walking on Water – Matthew 14:33
"Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘Truly You are the Son of God.’"

5. The Canaanite Woman Worships Jesus – Matthew 15:25
"Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘Lord, help me!’"

6. The Disciples Worship Jesus After His Resurrection – Matthew 28:9

"And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, ‘Rejoice!’ So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him."

7. The Eleven Disciples Worship Jesus – Matthew 28:17
"When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted."

8. The Blind Man Worships Jesus – John 9:38
"Then he said, ‘Lord, I believe!’ And he worshiped Him."

9. Thomas Worships the Resurrected Jesus – John 20:28

"And Thomas answered and said to Him, ‘My Lord and my God!’"

In the Book of Revelation

1. Angelic Worship of the Lamb – Revelation 5:11-12

"Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice:
‘Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!’"

2. All Creation Worships the Lamb – Revelation 5:13-14

"And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
‘Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!’"

3. The Redeemed Worship the Lamb – Revelation 7:9-10

"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, ‘Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!’"

it's good that you stated Jesus is worship as the Lamb of God and not worshipped as another God nor as God Himself

Ken4Christ:
Scriptural Evidence that Jesus is Co-Creator with God the Father

The Bible clearly reveals that Jesus Christ is not a created being, but the eternal Creator who existed with God the Father from the beginning. Below are scriptural proofs showing that Jesus shares in the divine nature and creative work of God.
John 1:1–3, 10, 14 (KJV)

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

Explanation: Jesus (the Word) existed in the beginning, was with God, and was God. He made all things; He is the Creator, not a creation.

Colossians 1:15–17 (KJV)
“For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth... all things were created by him, and for him.”

Explanation: Jesus is both Creator and Sustainer. 'Firstborn' means preeminent, not first created.

Hebrews 1:1–3, 8, 10 (KJV)
“By whom also he made the worlds... Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.”

Explanation: The Father calls the Son 'God' and attributes creation to Him.

Genesis 1:26 (KJV)
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...”

Explanation: The plural 'us' shows divine partnership — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit involved in creation.

John 17:5 (KJV)

“Glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”

Explanation: Jesus existed with the Father and shared His eternal glory before creation.

Philippians 2:5–7 (KJV)
“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God...”

Explanation: Jesus existed in divine form before taking human nature.

Micah 5:2 (KJV)
“Out of thee shall he come forth... whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”

Explanation: The Messiah (Jesus) is eternal — His existence is from everlasting.

Revelation 1:8, 17–18 (KJV)
“I am Alpha and Omega... I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore.”

Explanation: Jesus calls Himself Alpha and Omega, the same title used by God the Father.
John 8:58 (KJV)

“Before Abraham was, I AM.”

Explanation: Jesus used God’s own name 'I AM', revealing His eternal existence and deity.

1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV)
“One God, the Father... and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things.”

Explanation: Creation is of the Father and by the Son — showing unity and equality in creation.
Summary of the Truth

• Jesus is eternal — He existed before creation.
• Jesus is Creator — all things were made by Him.
• Jesus is God — He shares the same glory, power, and nature with the Father.
• Jesus is co-equal and co-eternal with God the Father and the Holy Spirit.

why do the guilty run and manufacture false evidence when none was asked for.

You avoided the simple question asked you and you are here twisting scriptures

Let me ask you another question instead, are there two creators?

And do you admit you used the word "the creator" wrongly?

Ken4Christ:
You already called him who is his- The Father God. He created all things through Jesus. That is the connection.

leave this your sophistry, who is THE creator? Jesus or God?

Ken4Christ:
Jesus was not created. He is the Creator of all things.

if Jesus is THE creator of all things, then who is Father God?

Gabrielshow is feeling too big to either say I don't know or that God created time

He is likely cautious and afraid that he may have written something wrong, and he can't face his mistakes not humble enough to repent from them. His self importance is more important than the truth so he undermines others in hope to self evelate himself. I wonder to what end, because all this things go end for earth, we can't argue nor lie our way into eternal life finally

When Jesus taught how to prayer shouldn't he hav3 taught the sinner's prayer 🤔ᴴᴹᴹ

Gabrielshow24:
All these for asking why your god is not an ’Eternal Father’? 🤧

Appealing to scripture, to dismiss my question as ’argumentative’ is baseless. Likewise, I am following the scripture by testing all things🤷. Mind you, both of you have the same god 🤨. Definitely, the conclusion from the subject matter is that your god is not self sufficient. You serve a mutable god 😅. Thus, we don't serve the same god😊!

Finally, any ... person will know that ’everlasting’ and ’eternal’ are not ’fully’ the same. If my statement were wrong you would have provided a definition to show that they both were one and the same. In your bid to talk, you can't just help but to show forth your “flaws“🤨. How many times must I tell you along with your crew to think before posting? 😮‍💨

Pls, stop casting further aspersions on your educational background 🥱.

this is what your educational background tells you👉

Gabrielshow24:
While you are desperately trying to apply/conflate ’Eternal’ to/with ’Everlasting’ but the two has slight differences which reveal your mistake.

lol 🤣😹 this one here is arguing that eternal is not everlasting 😂

what does Paul say to such

2Tim.2.14 Remind [the people] of these facts and [solemnly] charge them in the presence of the Lord to avoid petty controversy over words, which does no good but upsets and undermines the faith of the hearers.

Petty, petty, arguing and quarrelling over words

1Tim.6.4 Anyone who teaches anything different is both conceited and ignorant. Such a person has an unhealthy desire to quibble over the meaning of words. This stirs up arguments ending in jealousy, fighting, slander, and evil suspicions.

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Gabrielshow24:
Sarcasm🥱.

Kindly tell us who created time? Use your usual, ’cartoonist analogy’🤧

if you want me to answer a question I asked you, why not humbly ask by telling us you do not know or tell us you kno

You can be honest abi

LoneSoldier:
Ever since you came to this world, how many times have you been hearing christians talking about how the world is going to come to an end?

Just be straight, how many times?

well a number of them do say so, but why should anyone be bothered if the world ends. Scientists also claim the world will end one day, other religions and believes as well. But does it matter if the world ends, if it does today we die today if it does in 200years will anyone alive today live to see it.

does it matter if the world ends or not?

Gabrielshow wetin happen 😲 them ban you 😂 wetin you go type na 😁

LoneSoldier:
Just using it as an illustration, I can't be that lazy to believe that trash.

trash that the world will end one day? Or what?

Gabrielshow24:
You tell me, genius? 🤨

You might want to think deeply for this one😅

oh you think I am a genius wow 😲 😁

so you don't know who created time or to you time's self existing? 😏

LoneSoldier:
Joke aside is everything surrounding God real, is everything told to us in the bible real, have you come across anybody who have really seen Jesus and his disciples in real life, why preach a dillusional message to people when you know that most of what you preach is a myth.

Religion as we know it isn't real is just a folk tale, the most annoying part is the hell and heaven you peeps keep talking about, since the year 2000 I stopped going to church, when I concluded the ignorance of christians about heaven and hell bullshit. Its been 25 years now and no world has ended, the thing is how long are humans going to be living with lies and deceit from people who call themselves christians?

😂 "it's been 25yrs now and no world has ended" 🤣 bro who waits 25yrs for the world to end.

Gabrielshow24:
Maybe you should have taken the rest of scripture into account before making such a response.

As long as we, the sons of God, live in Him(Jesus) having Eternal life then he is our Eternal Father or to be specific as Isaiah puts it, Everlasting Father! —This implies a beginning🤨 but it's doesn't have an end.

While you are desperately trying to apply/conflate ’Eternal’ to/with ’Everlasting’ but the two has slight differences which reveal your mistake.

Now once more, tell me how your god is an eternal Father? note: ’not an Everlasting Father’

lol 🤣😹 this one here is arguing that eternal is not everlasting 😂

what does Paul say to such

2Tim.2.14 Remind [the people] of these facts and [solemnly] charge them in the presence of the Lord to avoid petty controversy over words, which does no good but upsets and undermines the faith of the hearers.

Petty, petty, arguing and quarrelling over words

1Tim.6.4 Anyone who teaches anything different is both conceited and ignorant. Such a person has an unhealthy desire to quibble over the meaning of words. This stirs up arguments ending in jealousy, fighting, slander, and evil suspicions.

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Emusan:
Yes! Paul said that.



So answer my question, what did the Son do when God was creating the Universe?

Why are you dodging this question since?



You have your own Bible through Watchtower



That's why I showed you the meaning of arché

ORIGIN/SOURCE

Jesus is the ORIGIN/SOURCE of ALL CREATION.

Meaning He is the Creator. John 1:3



SOURCES/ORIGIN of Creation




So what was the son doing when God was creating the Universe?



Jesus Himself is the Wisdom of God.

Which your gods can never attain.

Answer my question if you get mind

what was the word of God doing? The word of God was being used by God to create just as stated in the Bible.

Gabrielshow24:
Wait, let's say we give you a benefit of a doubt🤔 that Jesus was created, how then did your god become an Eternal Father when his Son is apparently not Eternal🤕? Or don't you know that your Fatherhood is as old as your Son🤨?

Also, do you care to explain how your god, supposedly ’Love’, didn't have someone to love eternally? 🤨 Don't you think, you have made your god, a dependent being? What difference is this your god to Allah👀?

Do you also care to explain how God ’created’ before the existence of time? And if Jesus was ’created’ before time don't you think the word ’created’ is logically insufficient and unsuitable? It seems you don't have an handle on the exasperating farrago of absurdities you intentionally posit just to keep up this charade of a doctrine🤧.

Well, you can take a bold step and answer these questions or as usual, ’run away!’

so who created time 🐒 😏

Emusan:
Can you imagine this broad day lie.

Just because NWT already gooff you want to change the narration.

Ko le work...




Good! Which means His Son is the Creator.

Or what will you call His Son?



I've told you several times that I don't have the evil mind to edit God's word like Watchtower did to support their doctrine.

In fact, Heb 1:2 is one of the Bible verses that proved Jesus to be the Creator because Jesus was before THE UNIVERSE. So, all creatures fall within the creation of the universe.

Repent from misleading others into error

Heb.1.2 but in these last days HE(GOD) has spoken to us by his Son, whom HE appointed heir of all things, and THROUGH whom HE(GOD) made the universe. (NIV)

Jesus said remove the log from your own eyes first

Emusan:
So it's Moses that recorded that "In the BEGINNING God created the heavens and the earth" not that God inspired Moses to write that "In the BEGINNING God created the heavens and the Earth"

Genesis 1:1 is still very much alive in every version of the Bible and God who can't lie inspired Moses to write that, if anything was created before Heavens and the earth. God who can't would've inspired that.

Now turning the table around.

Are you saying God wasn't the one who inspired Moses to write that "In the BEGINNING God created the heavens and the earth"?

this is a typical example of how you respond to simple questions

"Did Moses record that in the beginning God first created the heavens and the earth or did you read that the first thing God created was the heavens and the earth?"

Emusan:
No translation has that, lying liar.

Rev 3:14 Jesus is the SOURCE OF ALL CREATION.

If you get mind, provide the screenshot from your darling Biblehub and other sources as you always do




Firstborn never equates FIRST CREATED

I challenge you to provide the screenshot as well

lol so if to you misquoting rev3:14 Jesus is the source of all creation what then is Father God?

Rev.3.14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.

I know you won't answer just like you avoided the question if firstborn means ruler then is God also a firstborn

They should sha return to God and not just to a church and become a generation that seeks the face of God

AngelahFlo:
That's where you're wrong. It's not "and" but "or"
You can't hold to two views at once; that's stupidity. I'm prepared either way. Whether Jesus comes before the tribulation or He comes after the tribulation is what I'm prepared for.

so if a Christ comes before tribulations contrary to what is written how would you know he is not a false Christ

Let's read a bit shall we

2Thess.2.1 - Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
2Thess.2.2 - not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
2Thess.2.3 - Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
2Thess.2.4 - who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

2Thess.2.8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

AngelahFlo:
In simple English, you believe in a post tribulation rapture. It's okay. Just wanted to know where your views stand on. For me I'm open ended. Whether it's a Pre tribulation or a post tribulation I'm keeping myself ready for any of them

you are keeping yourself for the Christ that will come before and the one that will come after abi. Well-done 👍👍

AngelahFlo:
Which group do you belong. The Pre tribulation rapture or the post tribulation rapture?

this is where I belong
Mark.13.19 - For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be.
...
Mark.13.24 - "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
Mark.13.25 - the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
Mark.13.26 - Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mark.13.27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.

AngelahFlo:
Are you trying to say you don't believe in the Second coming of.Jesus as the Bible outlines it?

That's not what I wrote neither did I even think to attempt trying to say such. So stick to what I wrote and no add assumptions

kingxsamz:
what stage of sin is it when you're murdering children for a god?

first learn what the meaning of the term murder is before you use it and accuse others

Harddiskng:
Lol can you still be saved and be in sin?

Omo we should be careful of falling in error, emitting from our liberty.

You can do without sin! Christ came to set that example and empower you with the Gift of the holy Spirit to achieve this. One blot of sin and you won’t enter heaven! 1 Corinthians 6:9 - Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor (perversely) effeminate, nor homosexuals,

Christ redeemed is from the curse of the law, did he redeem us from having to follow “the law”?

At your bolded, you just said (example). If you commit fornication, it has consequences but it doesn’t mean you are not saved (that your name is still not in the Book of Life) lol. Brother you don’t want to find out, anybody that has been saved once and continues in sin, would go to hell for free!

will you say that you are without sin?

Yes Jesus redeemed us from having to follow the laws of Moses.

gohf:
But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. James 1:14-15

Well if it's true that the fourth stage of sin is "help me Jesus" then it's okay, even Peter cried help me Jesus and was saved.

But Sin doesn't lead you to cry out for help, it leads people to death.

It starts as an evil desire,(lust of flesh, lust of the eye, pride of life), then it births sin, from which if we do not repent from, we become workers of iniquity and transgressors that lead us to death and destruction.

stancydg:
Since there are many schools of thought, don't you think it is wise to simply get prepared in case one of it or the one you least believe in, turns out right. The pre-tribulation school of thought simply awakens ones consciousness towards early preparation, prior the tribulation. If the others turn out right, the element of surprise won't be as much and so, still okay too but if wrong, can be disastrous for the unprepared. Looking at the stated, which one do you think the devil will want most people to believe?

does one really need such, "a school of thought", when we realize God can call us home at any point in time?
Do I need to consider something that contradicts what Jesus and the apostles thought because they are many who teach such? My answer is no

And to answer your question on which one the devil will want most people to believe, it will be to believe that the one coming is Jesus Christ of Nazareth meanwhile it is the Antichrist that is coming first. So as to deceive the world that Christ has come meanwhile it is the false Christ that has come.

Iluvmycontr3:
,,,, Would like to reach you and continue to reason and study the word of God with you.

,,,,,I am a kind of believer that like to keep growing in the knowledge of christ.

,,,,I have carefully read you piece of write up, and i can see that we are on the same page this matter of faith.

,,,,,Though, i am in Europe, but we can link up via email, and maybe WhatsApp thereafter.

Thanks.

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Lukuluku69:
Lol

They just affixed those names to the Gospel "According to".

The Real Wtiter? Barnabas the son of Consolation.

Download his own Gospel and read and you will see the fraud in other Gospels.

even unbelieving atheist know it is a fake because they are scholars who can fact checks things, something you too should learn how to do