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Eight members of a family were murdered in a midnight attack by unknown persons on Heipang, near Jos, Plateau State, in the early hours of Sunday.


Among the victims of the attack, suspected to be carried out by Fulani herdsmen, were the head of the household, Mr Chollom Gyang; the wife, Hannatu; and six children including a three-year-old baby.

Meanwhile, the Plateau Government has condemned the new wave of killings and tasked the communities to be on the alert so as to defend themselves against aggressors.


The Commissioner for Information, Mr. Abraham Yiljap, told journalists that government was sad that violence had continued in spite of efforts to restore peace.


“Arrangements should be made to protect the people; let people take measures to safeguard lives and property in every community,” he said.


Police Commissioner, Emmanuel Ayeni, could not be reached for comments, while the Command’s spokesman, Apev Jacob, said he could not comment on the development.


The Spokesman of the military Special Task Force maintaining security in Plateau, Capt. Charles Ekeocha, in his reaction to the attacks, said the STF had no business with the area.


He explained that the STF withdrew its men after the communities in the area said they did not want them.


He said, “The security of that area is not the concern of the STF; they have said that we are responsible for the attacks.


“In fact, officials from the army headquarters came and investigated the claims of the communities and we are still awaiting the outcome of their findings.


“They have always accused our men of the attacks, so I do not know who could have attacked them now that our men have been withdrawn.’’


Reminded that the STF was in charge of security in the entire Plateau, Ekeocha agreed, but quickly added that soldiers were not in charge of that specific area since they had been accused of masterminding the attacks over time.

annita19:
Hey 190, u got my-- - -?

just saw your pix anita, Godamn

EFCC1:
that's not 2face page up there. . . . . . beware

there is a difference between a personal account and a fan page. What you have there is a fan page, what is on top is his PERSONAL ACCOUNT.

sahara report, vanguard even NTA and AIT says he is dead. tubaba just posted on his wall that he talked to his family members and they said he is still alive, which should we take

MeandSum:
according to okada_man

Economic and Financial Crimes commision Establishment act (2004) Amended 2007?
The Money Laundering Act 1995
The Money Laundering (Prohibition) act 2004
The Advance Fee Fraud and Other Fraud Related Offences Act 1995
The Failed Banks (Recovery of Debts) and Financial Malpractices in Banks Act 1994
The Banks and other Financial Institutions Act 1991; and
Miscellaneous Offences Act

Some of those laws are 20 years old. Has it stopped corruption? How then does passing a law that stops this looters from sending their kids overseas help stop corruption?

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

Mr I need to know your stand in this. are you saying the bill is cool but the enforcement is where we need to look at?,  I dont know if its me, but i have read through all your post i cant seem to understand where you stand.

;d ;d ;d

i think its NO WAHAHLA

debosky:
@ gohome

You've made some ridiculous claims in support of your argument.

You're joking right? How many Nigerians own their own companies and employ people? How many Nigerians own office blocks that they use to run their businesses? Further to the point, how many Nigerians can afford to travel abroad as a proportion of the Nigerian population?

Compared to other Nigerians, many of whom live in shanties all over Lagos and are unable to even afford a taxi not to mention a plane ticket, he is clearly a tycoon. A tycoon is a powerful, wealthy individual in business. Owning your own business, including a large building like that gives you power and wealth in Nigeria - that is undeniable.

Over 22000 post on nl and you are this delusional,  its beats my imagination. Before you reply me, tackle my claims head on. Answer the questions I raised. After that, then you can suggest possible scenario. Also read through at least 3 or 4 of my post, then you will completely understand my argument. 

You are one of those brainwashed people that see people travelling abroad as Tycoons. I know alot of people that own companies, I own one too. I dont know about them, but I am definitely not a tycoon. I dont know what part of the world you reside, but i know many Nigerians own shops. Spry logistics could just be a shop you know. Lemme quote denzel


SPry logistics is just a removal van company. I don't know why people believe what the british media publish, especially that dailymail. they took a picture of a gated block of flats and asked unknown people if the man is rich?


Denzel could be right you know?

Also take into consideration that we do not know the relationship status between this woman and her supposed husband, if a all the husband is legally hers. Like some1 pointed out, they do not even bear the same last name.

debosky:
@ gohome


How many tycoon's wives decide to open shops and sell mundane products like sugar, milk and the like just to keep busy? Who says she isn't doing it as a hobby or means to get away from 5 crying babies for a while? She was a make up artist before she left, so there are many reasons why she could consider engaging in this type of activity.

Even if she is working just to support herself, she is still engaging in ILLEGAL activity by working in the UK on a visitor visa. The quantity of profit here is immaterial - the law doesn't stipulate making big profits before working is deemed illegal.

You certainly did not understand my post. I made those comparison to show claremont how unintelligent reading daily mail is and how contradicting dailymail is. If you have an idea what an avon lady does, then you will agree with me no tycoon's wife, especially after having five babies will do that. If she has access to so much wealth, why on earth would she be holed up in a flat in Poplar or working as an Avon lady?

It is possible she doesn't even work for avon. The so called neighbors claims could be bogus. So until we have proof, I guess we all should leave her innocent until proven otherwise.

claremont:
Definition of Fraud: Wrongful or crimina[/b]l [b]deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.

If indeed you have followed the arguments so far, then you will know that Bimbo fits this classical description. The Daily Mail engages in investigative journalism, I do agree that some parts of the report may have been garnished to provoke public opinion, but by and large, the FACTS of this saga indicates that a fraudulent action was committed.

There you go again. Bimbo fitting this classical description of fraud (especially when this so called description is from your mind) doesn't qualify her to be fraud. Analytic and Comprehension skills is still lacking. Its a gradual process. If you do what I said in my post above, you will greatly improve, trust me.

I am glad you replied though. It showed you read it. Just reflect on what I wrote, you will wake up a new improve person.

Goodnight

I am really embarrassed from what I can see going on here.

Claremont
I have followed your post through out this thread and never bothered to reply you. I have loved the way you have stood your grounds though, it shows passion for what you believe in, its a good trait but I think you have a big problem,  no jokes. I am not a psychologist but its not hard to tell from your post. Written words don't lie. You have typed the most characters in this thread with no articulation. You have called an 'innocent' person fraud, thief, and all sort without good reasons. nl is suppose to be a place to learn new things and not to win an argument its a shame you have not. I know you lack comprehension skills, critical reasoning and all sort to convince or win an argument but you can always learn. Some of the reasons I am proposing,

1. You have to stop reading and watching unintelligent stuff. Instead of reading dailymail, read Times, instead of watching E, watch CNN. You should also be able to sort what is intelligent and what is not. I want to understand you are a man that would want to be able to handle life and death decisions and not a house wife. Its not an uphill task, its possible. Lemme show you how

Its not rocket science to know that dailymail is got a market. we all know them. They are in business. That market will want to hear something in particular. They will want to feed that particular market with that particular stuff. If you want to be big in life, you have to pull away from those kind of people. you have to read structured writeups. it will help you make better judgement not just in nl, but in your personal life.  You have to be able to sieve bad information, misinformation and proper information. if not your wife fit pursue your mama from house because of lack of this skill.

Lets look at dailymail again


The Nigerian whose five babies on the NHS cost us £200,000 is married to a tycoon,  However the Daily Mail has learnt that her husband, who remains in Nigeria, is a wealthy businessman.
University-educated Ohi Nasir Ilavbare is chief executive of his own logistics company whose clients include British American Tobacco  and DHL.



Have you asked how big Spry Logistics is? have you cared to ask what service they provide? what is the contract weight? We all know how businesses run in Nigeria.  being educated and have clients like DHL doesn't make you a tycoon. That wasn't hard, was it?



Lemme play the devil's advocate and agree with dailymail, okay,he is a tycoon

Nigerian mother who cost NHS £200,000 after coming to Britain to have quintuplets is working illegally as an Avon Lady
Yesterday a neighbour said: 'She has dropped at least two Avon booklets through the door in the past couple of months. I'm sure she has visited other homes in surrounding streets.She’s definitely working for Avon because I bought something from her last month. She never let on that she was not allowed to work in this country.’, dailymail


What Tycoon's wife does the bolded. Broke arse Students don't even do that. Dailymail reported the issue of her working as Avon Lady in a manner that suggested that she must have been raking in large sums of money working as an Avon Lady, but investigation shows that Avon representatives only make meager amount that is not even enough to pay phone bills. Nigerians who had worked as sales representatives or agents to Avon claimed that there is never a way you can make a living working as Avon lady as being misled by the British press unless you have a vast network of friends that runs into thousands because you get paid commission on the products you are retailing. And only a handful of old Nigerians use the products if you don't know that.

Cant you see that dailymail is just trying to sell? if you haven't learnt anything this weekend, take this one home, [size=15pt]NEVER YOU BASED YOU JUDGEMENT AND DECISION ON MISINFORMATION<<<<< IT CAN RUIN YOUR LIFE [/size]


[size=15pt]Coogar
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I have also liked the way you have pursued your case, it shows resilience. it is also a good trait. I don't agree with some of your thoughts though. This woman could be fraudulent. It is possible for her to be. when you argue, you have to put that into consideration as well. Don't get me wrong, you are absolutely right by your stance, that is my stance as well. As it stand now, MRS BIMBO IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.

VolvoS60:
Anyway, I'm glad the bigger picture is something we both agree on - we must force change from our public officials to reverse Nigeria's descent into hell. This is a matter of life and death.

yes so. we have to fix Nigeria.
Thanks though. I learnt a lot from you. You too much

VolvoS60:
What I have done is comment on whether Mrs . A’s actions (not her motives or intentions) breached the terms and conditions under which she was granted entry into the UK.  It is incontrovertible that a recourse to public funds was made on her behalf (in the course of her giving birth in the UK) and she (so far) had been unable to repay. . . that sir, is the[b] ‘illegality’[/b] I referred to earlier.

That was what I referred to in my previous posts, and I mentioned the implications her case could have for immigration rules in the future. . . As I said before, I have avoided ascribing any motives to Mrs. A. That is slippery terrain and I can’t prove anything there. I am sticking to the facts of the case and have consistently tried my best to give Mrs. A the benefit of the doubt.

Obviously, The rules were breached . She does not have recourse to NHS funds.But that is totally different from She breached the rules. She did not force the doctors at gun point to deliver her baby andput them in very special intensive care unit. The officials knew what the bill would look like (200k) as they carried on with life saving procedures. This same officials were not also expecting her to pay 200k? who pays 200k for child birth? So my point is, the  doctors attended to her based on professionalism,   Most doctors wont stand and watch those babies die because their parents cant afford intensive care?

VolvoS60:
#238 Posted by VolvoS60



I am aware, as we all are, that in the end, the British authorities could very well waive Mrs. A’s bill (on humanitarian grounds), but that is a separate matter altogether. Having said that, let us not lose sight of the real issue here: The state of our hospitals and the state of Nigeria as a whole. A former head of state once left Nigeria for Germany to treat “catarrh” because . . . Nigeria’s ‘hospitals’ are places where people (ordinary people, of course) essentially go to die.

That is what we should focus on.

Kudos for that statement.

Andrew Boff, Hackney resident and Conservative member of the Greater London Authority, said:

‘You can’t refuse to give someone treatment once they’re in the country, as we’re talking about human life. But what this case does point out is that this country does not have a good immigration policy. It does need to be stricter in its application. Our health system should be for those who live in the UK'.

This might be a blessing in disguise. If the British make their visa policy stricter it means will we either go somewhere else or look within. I wish we do the later

VolvoS60:
#202 Posted by Gohome:

“At this point with the information we have and where the information is coming from, This woman you accused of orchestrating this can be

i completely innocent
ii Partially innocent
iii completely fraudulent

Completely innocent (proof)

It is common knowledge. . ."


@ Gohome,

Okay Gohome. I understand you now . The scenario you painted in your post # 202 (I didn't bother reproducing the entire post) is one of three possible scenarios– Mrs A could be (i) completely innocent, (ii) partially innocent and (iii) completely fraudulent.

In scenario (i), the proof of which you so dramatically conveyed in your post (#202), Mrs A is completely innocent. But I have a question, and my question is this: Innocent of what crime? What is the charge? What law has she allegedly broken?

ask those who called her a criminal

At this point with the information we have and where the information is coming from, This woman you accused of orchestrating this can be
    i completely innocent
    ii Partially innocent
    iii completely fraudulent

Completely innocent (proof)

It is common knowledge for women to take fertility drugs in Nigeria. They do this to aid conception and not to boost it. She obviously did not plan to give birth to five kids. she planned to give birth to one. The media is making you think otherwise. let me quote the dailymail, Bimbo Ayelabola, 33, applied for a six-month visitor's visa soon after discovering she was pregnant, travelling to the UK without her husband to visit her three sisters.


would she have known she had five kids in her soon after she discovered she was pregnant, obviously not. which means, she probably thought of just having a baby or two just like any other person and pay the bills just like any other person. But the unexpected happened. The babies were 5 and they were premature. they had to go into a complex Cesarean op and the babies were treated in a special-care unit, where the cost of a week’s stay for the family would be £35,000 alone. Normal procedures do not warrant special care unit. With 3 sisters in the UK and a civil engineer as a husband she knew those kids aren't going to get citizenship. at least before she applied for the visa. This clearly rule out any false motive of obtaining a visa. so what then was her '' manipulative motive'' I see none. In Stories like this  each case should be reviewed on an individual basis, without the knee-jerk reactionism and mis-placed jingoism that sadly seems to always accompany these things.

If you are still in doubt of the possibility of this ladies innocence I will recommend you to read the innocent man. Its a true life story written by Gris ham. Also look at the case for the formal IMF chief (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/06/nyregion/still-a-case-for-trying-strauss-kahn.html and see how a case can transcend from Complete guilt to partial guilt or complete innocence

I hope the above will help you understand why i said you should assume she is a US citizen which in most case is innocent until proven guilty and not Nigerian which in your case is guilty as charge by the media

As for partially innocent and completely fraudulent, you should fill the lines better judge.

@Gohome:

Take a look at your post I have reproduced above and note the italicized parts:  These are very strong (I repeat, very strong) assumptions to make about someone who I presume is unknown to you. You are really going out on a limb when you make the kind of sweeping statements I have highlighted in your post above. Let me take them one by one:


“She obviously did not plan to give birth to five kids. she planned to give birth to one.”

Sir, we do not know the above for a fact. It is impossible for you and I to speculate from a distance on Mrs. A’s birth plans and my next comment seals this point.

From my last post (posted above), you will agree with me that those three scenarios i painted are all possible. I told you to go on and fill in the blanks for the fraudulent option, which you have done. But you have to agree as well that she can be innocent. And my above statement above was based on that fact. It was clearly under the heading of completely innocent. its left for you to lean towards the left wing. I choose to lean toward the right wing.

What is the fact is the fact. and the fact could be that she is innocent.

VolvoS60:
Sir, again I must say that you are being a bit presumptuous here. It is really pushing it quite a bit to confidently assert, (as you have done) that Mrs. A was unaware of the number of foetuses in her womb soon after she discovered she was pregnant. (By the way, what does ‘soon’ mean? A day? A week? A month? A year?)

It appears that medical sonography reveals the presence of multiple foetuses as early as 17 to 24 weeks after conception. I would like to think that given the circumstances (prior miscarriage and use of fertility drugs), a scan would have been done quite early in her pregnancy, given her medical history. But I do not know for sure, which means it would be prudent to avoid comments (such as yours) which contain definitive assertions.

What I said was still based on the assumption that she is innocent. Medical sonography is not a perfect science. it is till getting there. Like can be seen in this case. The doctors did not have an idea that the babies were five. Scan showed four. They noticed it at the time of child birth.

(Bimbo had a complex Caesarean op 32 weeks into her pregnancy on April 28. Doctors at Homerton Hospital, in Hackney, East London, then discovered there was a fifth baby,  from the sun).

So like I said it is possible this woman did not know she had 5 babies in her soon ( be it 1day, 2weeks. 4 months or 1 year) after she applied for visa.



Bimbo Ayelabola, 33, had been taking twice the prescribed dose of a potent fertility drug while at home in Lagos.
Within days of discovering she was expecting she obtained a visitor's visa for Britain.
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3673011/Nigerian-mum-Bimbo-Ayelabola-flew-into-Britain-and-had-quins-on-the-NHS.html#ixzz1RRShtltE


that was an extract from what the sun reported


Don't get me wrong, I can also accuse, I should have chosen to buttress your point but with what fact. British media? No way. I can be a conspiracy theorist, but because innocent children are involved i can do what ever it takes to make them okay.

Now let me act like a journalist and rewrite this same story assuming the person involve is an American

An American tourist yesterday gave birth to 5 kids in a local hospital in south west London. It was initially thought she was pregnant with 4 kids, but to the doctors amazement they was a fifth one.  All the babies survived. She did undergo complex surgery and was lucky to survive. The bill is said to reach 200k and she is unable to pay. Her sadness was turned to joy as the royal couples have agreed to host a fundraising diner to offset the bill.

Now will you at first glance call this woman fraudulent assuming she was actually. No way abi? You will think she is innocent and will be shocked shes not after proper investigation. Will I be correct if I say the press has at least played an important role in disabusing your mind in favor of this woman?

VolvoS60:
[b]# 189 Posted by Gohome:


@Gohome:

I assure you sir, criminality is far from my mind.  You made me a judge, remember?

Sir, as for your point about the US or Canada (rather than the UK) being a more suitable destination for Mrs Bimbo if indeed she wanted to take advantage of the system - I must say your point is neither here nor there. We simply cannot speculate on that. We have no clue what Mrs Ayelabola’s immigration status is with either of these 2 countries, and cannot make any strong assumptions about this from a distance. We do not know if she had applied for a visa to these countries and her application was accepted or turned down. We simply do not know.

And sir, your point about me assuming Mrs Bimbo were a US citizen and what she stood to gain is not clear to me. Maybe you could explain further?


#189 Posted by Gohome:

Nice point bro especially on the US and Canada options. But you have to understand some things.

At this point with the information we have and where the information is coming from, This woman you accused of orchestrating this can be
    i completely innocent
    ii Partially innocent
    iii completely fraudulent

[b]Completely innocent (proof)

It is common knowledge for women to take fertility drugs in Nigeria. They do this to aid conception and not to boost it. She obviously did not plan to give birth to five kids. she planned to give birth to one. The media is making you think otherwise. let me quote the dailymail, Bimbo Ayelabola, 33, applied for a six-month visitor's visa[b] soon[/b] after discovering she was pregnant, travelling to the UK without her husband to visit her three sisters.


would she have known she had five kids in her soon after she discovered she was pregnant, obviously not. which means, she probably thought of just having a baby or two just like any other person and pay the bills just like any other person. But the unexpected happened. The babies were 5 and they were premature. they had to go into a complex Cesarean op and the babies were treated in a special-care unit, where the cost of a week’s stay for the family would be £35,000 alone. Normal procedures do not warrant special care unit. With 3 sisters in the UK and a civil engineer as a husband she knew those kids aren't going to get citizenship. at least before she applied for the visa. This clearly rule out any false motive of obtaining a visa. so what then was her '' manipulative motive'' I see none. In Stories like this  each case should be reviewed on an individual basis, without the knee-jerk reactionism and mis-placed jingoism that sadly seems to always accompany these things.

If you are still in doubt of the possibility of this ladies innocence I will recommend you to read the innocent man. Its a true life story written by Gris ham. Also look at the case for the formal IMF chief (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/06/nyregion/still-a-case-for-trying-strauss-kahn.html and see how a case can transcend from Complete guilt to partial guilt or complete innocence

I hope the above will help you understand why i said you should assume she is a US citizen which in most case is innocent until proven guilty and not Nigerian which in your case is guilty as charge by the media

As for partially innocent and completely fraudulent, you should fill the lines better judge.

VolvoS60:
#149 Posted by VolvoS60:

“Emotions are running very high on this thread. 

Someone (a poster) mentioned the case of kuwaiti nationals in a similar situation. The big difference is that the Kuwaiti government stepped in and paid up. I think if we conduct a poll on this board (on whether the Nigerian government will stand up to deliver in the same way), we all know what the results are likely to be”.

@Gohome,

You said my comments above ‘’were not completely true’’. Which part exactly? The part (as posted by Amarush) about the Kuwaiti government footing the bill for a Kuwaiti couple in the same situation as Mrs Bimbo & spouse? Or the part about the average Nigerian’s (on this forum) expectations about the Nigerian government doing something similar? Which part please?


#125 Posted by Gohome:

[b]“Its a pity you have been reduced to this. you are definitely not human. What is your own problem with this woman that is not even a criminal. You complain about taxpayers money, rubbish. do you know how much of my tax is used to foot the bill in Libya. Do you know how much of my tax is used to foot the bill of lazy white citizens? have you asked yourself how much the royal wedding cost? sometimes in life we are faced with choices in which we choose the lesser of two evil, on humanitarian ground, which is also very legal this babies should be given citizenship (God bless America). We are talking about babies here, traumatizing the woman by slamming her with this kind of bill can affect the woman which will also affect the babies. Its possible this woman dint plan this. She probably took those fertility drugs just to be able to conceive and not to give birth to 5kids Shes got relatives in Britain, i am sure they wont be in support of her action. who will feed this children. Even a senior manager with 60000 pound per annum and a 50% tax( not to talk of council tax and accommodation) here in the UK cant afford to feed the woman, not to talk of 5 kids

Stop be selfish about image this image that, the media is twisting your brains. When it comes to mending immigration laws, Nigerians would definitely not be in the top ten least. you stay in the Uk you should know better.”[/b]


@Gohome:

Your post above was directed to Claremont and not me to begin with so I can’t say much about it. However, i do agree with you that if indeed you are a UK taxpayer, you are well within your rights to have a say in how your money is spent. Just as millions of other UK taxpayers who may have a contrary opinion have the same right to be heard. 



#156 Posted by Gohome:

“Judge, why do you base your assertions over THESUN investigation. Have you heard this woman's story. Do you think this woman wanted to give birth to five kids.  go and ask your mother what it felt like when she gave birth to you. And stop saying illegality. It is not. at least not yet. She is Human. Those kids are too. She can file by using humanitarian grounds, if she wins, its not illegal. its still the law. Illegality, moral and ethics are different things. Illegality is logic, moral and ethics are relative. I wouldn't call illegal the flamboyant lifestyles of our MPs and Royal family illegal, buh damn i will call it unethical.”

@Gohome,

My “assertions” which you refer to above, have nothing to do with the SUN newspaper. Mrs Bimbo’s story is in the public domain, and for every paper that has tried to damn her as one more in a long line of ‘foreign spongers’, there’s one which is at least a bit sympathetic to her case. The key facts in her case are relatively clear. And sir, without intending to be legalistic about it, it seems that Mrs. Bimbo has breached the terms under which she was granted entry to the UK. That sir, is the illegality I was referring to in my post. Perhaps she and her solicitors may have some new information to disclose but as at now, this is all we have to go on.

And sir, be careful when you say things like “morality and ethics are relative”. We can use comments like that to justify anything and everything under the sun.

nice 1 bro,  you are certainly not like claremount. Like I said as a UK taxpayer? this should be the least of my problems

VolvoS60:
#149 Posted by VolvoS60:


@Gohome,

My “assertions” which you refer to above, have nothing to do with the SUN newspaper. Mrs Bimbo’s story is in the public domain, and for every paper that has tried to damn her as one more in a long line of ‘foreign spongers’, there’s one which is at least a bit sympathetic to her case. The key facts in her case are relatively clear. And sir, without intending to be legalistic about it, it seems that Mrs. Bimbo has breached the terms under which she was granted entry to the UK. That sir, is the illegality I was referring to in my post. Perhaps she and her solicitors may have some new information to disclose but as at now, this is all we have to go on.

And sir, be careful when you say things like “morality and ethics are relative”. We can use comments like that to justify anything and everything under the sun.

I repeat,  it is not illegal for a health tourist to use the NHS system. illegality will arise when she doesn't pay. and she can opt out based on humanitarian grounds. ( similar to what asylum seekers do). That is what the court should decide not you. Like some1 said,if she had given birth to 2 kids which usually cost £5k,  we wont hear all this blah blah. if she doesn't pat her 26yr old sister will pay through her nose. All this started because it was 5. not only 5, buh premature 5kids that had to be taken for intensive care. (200k).  you will agree with me that was where the real cost was.

Remove criminality from your mind. Assume she is a US citizen and ask yourself. What will she gain by doing what she did? if her intentions were exactly what you read in your so called public domain which as far as i am concerned is the media was to find a way through the system, if she had plans from the onset to conceive 5 babies and let the bills run in such away that she wont be able to pay ( I doubt that) then the US should have been her destination,  or canada where child birth is free.


I understand your fears. She will deny others coming legally, blah blah, she will tarnish our image,  yada yada yada,  but that is selfish. can cameron cough out 200k, i doubt, will the children be left to suffer and probably die because of your selfishness,  [size=20pt]no way[/size]

debosky:
This woman has allegedly signed a five figure deal with a red top newspaper:

Not only did she abuse the system, she is now seeking to profit from her abuse of the system.

Shame. You posted a link that you obviously did not read, I guess you forgot this part
Last night, from behind a closed door, Mrs Ayelabola said: ‘I am not happy about what has been written about me, that is not what I told them. You need to speak to my lawyer, I do not want to comment.’

VolvoS60:
Emotions are running very high on this thread.  

Someone (a poster) mentioned the case of kuwaiti nationals in a similar situation. The big difference is that the Kuwaiti government stepped in and paid up. I think if we conduct a poll on this board (on whether the Nigerian government will stand up to deliver in the same way), we all know what the results are likely to be.

Thats not completely true

VolvoS60:
Emotions are running very high on this thread.  

Whether we like it or not, UK taxpayers have a right to voice their concerns about how their taxes are spent. Their political system is far from perfect, but there is a measure of accountability which is absent in Nigeria. British nationals pay their taxes and expect to have a say in how those taxes are spent. And if they are not comfortable with the idea of their taxes being used to pay medical expenses of ''foreigners", those are their rights as British nationals. Those rights cannot be taken away from them sir.

Like I said. I am a UK taxpayer, I have a right to voice my concern about how my taxes are being spent.

read my earlier comment

[b] Its a pity you have been reduced to this. you are definitely not human. What is your own problem with this woman that is not even a criminal. You complain about taxpayers money, rubbish. do you know how much of my tax is used to foot the bill in Libya. Do you know how much of my tax is used to foot the bill of lazy white citizens? have you asked yourself how much the royal wedding cost? sometimes in life we are faced with choices in which we choose the lesser of two evil, on humanitarian ground, which is also very legal this babies should be given citizenship (God bless America). We are talking about babies here,  traumatizing the woman by slamming her with this kind of bill can affect the woman which will also affect the babies. Its possible this woman dint plan this. She probably took those fertility drugs just to be able to conceive and not to give birth to 5kids Shes got relatives in Britain, i am sure they wont be in support of her action. who will feed this children. Even a senior manager with 60000 pound per annum and a 50% tax( not to talk of council tax and accommodation) here in the UK cant afford to feed the woman, not to talk of 5 kids. These kids could be Ashley Cole tomorrow

Stop be selfish about image this image that,  the media is twisting your brains. When it comes to mending immigration laws, Nigerians would definitely not be in the top ten least. you stay in the Uk you should know better.[/b]

So instead of wasting tax payers money killing kids in Iraq Afghanistan and Libya. do the exact opposite ''waste'' it with those five kids.

VolvoS60:
Emotions are running very high on this thread.  


And yes, some of us are (justifiably) very angry about british imperialism and how europe underdeveloped Africa but that cannot excuse the moral schizophrenia some of us here on this board are exhibiting. What is wrong is wrong. Some posters have tried to justify illegality by recounting the atrocities the british committed in Africa centuries ago but that mindset is flawed, deeply flawed. The battle to get back our stolen artefacts and treasures is a separate matter that can and should be fought on a different platform. Not by individual attempts to beat the system. Because in the end, cases like this lady's simply lead to much tougher immigration rules that make it harder for everyone else.

Judge,  why do you base your assertions over THESUN investigation. Have you heard this woman's story. Do you think this woman wanted to give birth to five kids. go and ask your mother what it felt like when she gave birth to you. And stop saying illegality. It is not. at least not yet. She is Human. Those kids are too. She can file by using humanitarian grounds,  if she wins, its not illegal. its still the law. Illegality, moral and ethics are different things. Illegality is logic, moral and ethics are relative. I wouldn't call illegal the flamboyant lifestyles of our MPs and Royal family illegal,  buh damn i will call it unethical.

£636,000 fraudster with 128 identities
By MIKE SULLIVAN, Crime Editor
Published: Today
A CONMAN used 128 fake IDs to steal £636,000 in a series of scams, a court heard yesterday.
David Peters, 30, fleeced banks, mortgage lenders and Government agencies.

Stunned cops called his identity theft the biggest they had ever discovered. He obtained 74 bogus driving licences after applying for them at a string of rural post offices.

Nigerian Peters also stole £168,575 in benefits from three London councils by claiming to be both tenant and landlord at the same address, the Old Bailey was told. Peters got a £250,000 mortgage for a house in Edgware, North London, a second mortgage on a flat in Essex worth £157,495 and took more than £60,000 from Lloyds TSB in a series of frauds.

Police said he had run his cons from 2002 until December last year.

Peters, who was also named as Oluseyi Jeremiah Adebayo on court documents, admitted 29 charges including fraud and possession of false identification documents. He will be sentenced tomorrow.

Detective Inspector Richard Fisher, of City of London Police, said after the hearing: "This is the biggest case of identity theft we have ever investigated.


"The sheer number of the fake identities we discovered are evidence of how Peters was a full-time fraudster funding a life of excess at the expense of others."


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3677381/636000-fraudster-with-128-identities.html#ixzz1RDwRRNg2

claremont:
Would National Hospital, Abuja, allow a heavily pregnant white lady to have her kids there and rack up bills to the tune of 50,000,000 naira without paying a dime? Would they release the mother and babies afterwards and tell them to go and sin no more? I think not.

why dont you ask how much we pay for security for white expatriate. Its a pity you have been reduced to this. you are definitely not human. What is your own problem with this woman that is not even a criminal. You complain about taxpayers money, rubbish. do you know how much of my tax is used to foot the bill in Libya. Do you know how much of my tax is used to foot the bill of lazy white citizens? have you asked yourself how much the royal wedding cost? sometimes in life we are faced with choices in which we choose the lesser of two evil, on humanitarian ground, which is also very legal this babies should be given citizenship (God bless America). We are talking about babies here,  traumatizing the woman by slamming her with this kind of bill can affect the woman which will also affect the babies. Its possible this woman dint plan this. She probably took those fertility drugs just to be able to conceive and not to give birth to 5kids Shes got relatives in Britain, i am sure they wont be in support of her action. who will feed this children. Even a senior manager with 60000 pound per annum and a 50% tax( not to talk of council tax and accommodation) here in the UK cant afford to feed the woman, not to talk of 5 kids

Stop be selfish about image this image that,  the media is twisting your brains. When it comes to mending immigration laws, Nigerians would definitely not be in the top ten least. you stay in the Uk you should know better.

FUND-RAISER FOR MORE SURGERY



Shell Petroleum Development Company Nigeria, and the Shriners Kids Hospital USA have been pivotal to Kechi's surgeries, funding the countless surgeries that Kechi has undergone in the last five years. Shell covered her extensive treatment in South Africa, from 2005 till 2007. Upon Kechi's move to Texas in 2007, she received free treatment at Shriners Hospital, Galveston Texas, as she was under the age of 21, and a minor in the United States. However, Kechi turned 21 in October, making her a legal adult in America and unable to receive any more free treatment. Unfortunately, though Kechi's surgeries are far from over, she will have to fund them privately.

Yimi Omofuma and Somachi Chris-Asoluka, two of Kechi's closest friends, and former classmates, have teamed up with Kechi's family and Loyola Jesuit College, to hold a Fundraising Dinner that will cover the cost of Kechi's future surgeries. The fundraiser will be held on the 30th of July 2011, at the Landmark center, Victoria Island, Lagos. It will feature a fashion show titled "Sunset and Sun dawn" showcasing unique designs from MUDI, KECHI'S and a host of upcoming talent. In addition, there will be special music performaces from BEZ, MUNA, WAJE and other surprise artistes.

I would like Oyedepo and other billionaire pastors to emulate yimi and somachi to please come to the aid of this girl. To who much is given, much is also expected

you can view pictures of kechi b4 and after the incident here
http://kechiokwuchifundraiser.com/information_packet.pdf

donspony:
Good.

They understand English?   
Someone translate this to arabic or their indigenous language for them

بواسطة : يا عبد الرزاق حمزة


Assalamualaikum Waramatullahi Wabarakatu.



وأنا أكتب في سبيل الله ، ومعظم الرحمن الرحيم وأكثر.

عزيزتي بوكو حرام ،

كان صباحا مضطر إلى الكتابة لكم ، من خلال قراءة الصحف في الآونة الأخيرة فيما يتعلق بقضية صفحة من تفجير هزاز نيجيريا بلدنا ، وذكرت أن المنظمة ادعت المسؤولية الخاص. في تقرير آخر ، أفيد بأن الفرع الخاص بك السبب المعلن للشروع في هذه المهمة أن يكون القصف أسفر عن مقتل زعيم الخاص السابقين وأعضاء. وأفيد أيضا أن الشرط الوحيد الذي قدمته المنظمة الخاص للتفاوض هو إقرار قانون الشريعة في نيجيريا.

أولا ، أود أن أبدأ من اسم الفرع الخاص ، بوكو حرام. ممنوع التعليم معنى. موقف الفرع الخاص على تحريم التعليم بالنسبة لي هو بمثابة الصدمة ، نظرا لأثر التعليم في تاريخ الإسلام.

واستند ارتفاع مسلم إلى ذروة الحضارة في فترة من أربعة عقود على التركيز على التعلم lslam. هذا واضح عندما يأخذ المرء نظرة على القرآن والنبي محمد التقاليد التي يجري شغلها مع إشارات إلى التعلم ، والتعليم ، والمراقبة ، واستخدام العقل.
"هم أولئك الذين لديهم معرفة وأولئك الذين ليس لديهم المعرفة على حد سواء؟ فقط ولكن فهم مدركون ل" (القرآن ، 39:9)



القرآن يشجع الناس نحو البحث العلمي :.
واضاف "هوسو يجلب الحقيقة وتعتقد فيه هذه هي مطيع". (قرآن ، 39:33)



كان ذلك من خلال التعليم الذي وصلنا للمتكلم الصاخبة التي نستخدمها في الدعوة للصلاة ، والتعليم تنتج الطوب التي نستخدمها في بناء مساجدنا ، وتنتج الكمبيوتر والانترنت التي نستخدمها في دراسة الكتابة الإسلامية في جميع أنحاء العالم وهو جالس في المنزل ، وتنتج ساعة الحائط التي تجعل من السهل معرفة الوقت للصلاة ، وتنتج علوم الطائرات التي نستخدمها في صنع حاج إلى الأراضي المقدسة.

أعضاء تستخدم في نقل السيارة نفسها إلى مكان القصف ، والهاتف المحمول ، والقنابل والبنادق ، وحتى وسائل الإعلام المستخدمة في نشر المعلومات الخاصة بك وجميع المنتجات من التعليم.
هذه تظهر بوضوح أن كل شيء قد تم استخدام الجزء الخاص بك كما أثر التعليم (بوكو) في شكل او في آخر.



ألا تعتقدون بوكو (التعليم) حلالا (قانوني)؟.

قائلا ممنوع التعليم هو تماما مثل قوله ممنوع الجنس ، ولكن يحظر ممارسة الجنس يمكن أن يكون غير قانوني عندما تنتهي من ذلك ، ويمكن أيضا أن تكون المكافأة في حال القيام به بشكل قانوني.

اكتساب المعرفة والمهارة أمر ضروري ليعيش كل واحد في العالم الحديث. ومن المفيد كذلك لمتابعة ممتعة والمعرفة.

قال النبي محمد (صلي الله عليه وسلم) :

تسعى المعرفة إلزامي لكل طفل ، مسلم أو فتاة ، رجلا كان أو امرأة.

يتم السعي للمعرفة واستخدام العقل ، على أساس الحس والملاحظة اجبة على كل مؤمن.

"إن أفضل شكل من أشكال العبادة هو السعي وراء المعرفة.

ظل الإمبراطورية الإسلامية لأكثر من 1000 سنة الحضارة الأكثر تقدما في العالم. وكان السبب الرئيسي لهذا أن الإسلام شدد على أهمية احترام والتعلم ، ونهى عن الدمار ، واحترام المزروعة للانضباط والسلطة ، والتسامح مع الأديان الأخرى. مستوحاة من تعاليم القرآن والسنة كثيرة لمسلم إنجازاتهم في مجال العلوم والطب.

من القرن العاشر أسفرت حماسهم وحماسة للتعلم في جميع الكتابات الطبية الأساسية اليونانية التي ترجمت الى العربية والعلمية في دمشق والقاهرة وبغداد. أصبحت اللغة العربية هي اللغة الدولية للتعليم والدبلوماسية. تحول مركز المعرفة والعلم والنشاط شرقا ، وبغداد برزت من مبنى الكابيتول العلمية العالمية. أصبح العلم مسلم المبتكرين مع الأصالة والإنتاجية من خلال التعليم (بوكو)

على سبيل المثال الطب الإسلامي هو واحد من الجوانب الأكثر شهرة وأشهرها الحضارة الإسلامية في أي مسلم برع. كان مسلم حاملي الشعلة كبير من البحوث العلمية الدولية.
وجاء بعض من أفضل والثناء البليغ معظم العلوم من الأقلام مسلم من العلماء الذين يعتبرون العمل على أن تكون أعمال العبادة. قاد الدوافع نفسها لإنشاء الأزهر (800 ميلادية) ، وأول جامعة في العالم. ضربوا الكرة "مصدرا للمعرفة" من فوق السياج إلى أوروبا. في كلمات كامبل ، ان "النظام الأوروبي الطبي العربي ليس فقط في الأصل وإنما أيضا في هيكلها ، والعرب هم forbearers الفكرية من الاوروبيين".


المزيد المزيد ، وأود أن أذكر هنا أنه لم المضروب أعضاء الخاص بوكو حرام لأنهم كانوا أعضاء ، ولكن لأنهم يرتكبون جريمة القتل. أي قتل الأبرياء ، وهذه الجريمة في كل من الشريعة والدستور النيجيري يعاقب عليها بالإعدام. إذا كان هؤلاء الناس الفرع الخاص وجد مذنبا في أي جريمة ، فإنه ليس في يدك أن تأخذ القانون. لكن على الرغم من ذلك ، أنا لست آسفة لفقدان الخاص ncerely ونصلي من اجل ان الله يغفر لنا جميعا.



أخيرا ، إصرارك على أن نيجيريا حول استخدام القانون sheriah ، ذكر ذلك بوضوح في القرآن الكريم أن الله يقول : "دعونا لا إكراه في الدين. أحرز الحقيقة من الخطأ واضح. وقد استفادت كل من يرفض عبادة كاذبة ويؤمن بالله العروة الوثقى التي لا تكسر. والله يسمع ويعلم كل شيء "[سورة البقرة : 256].

واحدة من الحقائق الأساسية التي وضعتها النصوص المقدسة هي التي يمكن أن يجبر أحدا على اعتناق الإسلام. فمن واجب مسلم لإقامة الدليل على الإسلام للناس بحيث يمكن جعل الحقيقة واضحة من الباطل. بعد ذلك ، قد لمن يرغب في قبول الإسلام بذلك ولمن يرغب في الاستمرار على الكفر يجوز لها أن تفعل ذلك. وينبغي على أي شخص أو تهديد العزل ليس بأي حال من الأحوال إذا كان لا يرغب في قبول الإسلام.

يمكن شن الجهاد في الشريعة الإسلامية لعدد من الأسباب ، ولكن الناس مقنعة لقبول الإسلام ليس رقائق ليس واحدا منهم.

وكان السبب سمح first الجهاد في الإسلام حتى للمسلم أن يدافعوا عن أنفسهم ضد الاضطهاد والطرد من منازلهم.

قال الله تعالى : "لهذه الموجه ضده الحرب ، ويرد على تصريح (للقتال) ، لأنهم مظلومين والله تعالى أقوى لمساعدتهم -- (هم) الذين طردوا من منازلهم في تحد لليمين (لسبب لا) إلا أنهم يقولون : ربنا الله ". الله لم تحقق مجموعة واحدة من الناس من خلال وسائل أخرى ، سيكون هناك بالتأكيد تم هدم الأديرة والكنائس والمعابد والمساجد ، والذي يتم الاحتفال به اسم الله في التدبير وفيرة. الله سوف تساعد بالتأكيد أولئك الذين المساعدات قضيته ، في سبيل الله حقا هو الكامل من قوته وربما "[سورة الحج : 39-40].

كثير من أوائل العلماء أذكر أن هذه كانت الآيات الأولى من القرآن الكريم الذي أنزل بشأن الجهاد.

بعد ذلك نزلت الآيات التالية :

"وقاتلوا في سبيل الله الذين يقاتلونكم ، ولكن لا يتعدى حدود : إن الله لا يحب المعتدين. واقتلوهم أينما القاء القبض عليهم وإخراجهم من حيث يخرجوكم ، للقمع ومورس من القتل. لكن قتالهم ليس في المسجد الحرام ما لم يقاتلوكم هناك. ولكن إذا كانوا يقاتلونكم ، اقتلوهم. هذه هي مكافأة لهؤلاء الذين يحجزون الإيمان. ولكن إذا كانت تتوقف ، الله غفورا رحيما. وقاتلوهم حتى في عدم وجود المزيد من الاضطراب أو الظلم وهناك تسود العدالة والايمان بالله. لكن ينتهوا ، يجب ألا يكون هناك عدوان إلا على الظالمين الذين "[سورة البقرة : 190-193].

من هذه النقطة ، تم توسيع نطاق الجهاد من كونه محض للدفاع ضد أي هجوم مباشر على أن يشمل المقاومة ضد الاضطهاد المسلط من قبل أولئك الذين يحجزون الإيمان ورفض الناس الحرية في اختيار دينهم لأنفسهم.

أما بالنسبة لانتشار الإسلام ، ومن المفترض أن يعقد هذا سلميا عن طريق نشر الرسالة مع الكلمة المكتوبة والمنطوقة. ليس هناك مكان لاستخدام السلاح لإجبار الناس على اعتناق الإسلام. لا يمكن إلا أن سلاح يمكن استخلاصها اضطهاد ضد أولئك الذين يضطهدون وغيرهم ومنعهم من التالية ضمائرهم في مسألة الإيمان. لا يمكن للمسلم أن يقف فقط من خلال الوقت الذي يجري فيه نفي الناس الحق في الاعتقاد في الإسلام ، ويجري سحق أصواتهم. هذا هو معنى قول الله تعالي : "وقاتلوهم حتى في عدم وجود المزيد من الاضطراب أو الظلم وهناك تسود العدالة والايمان بالله" [سورة البقرة : 193]

قال النبي (صلي الله عليه وسلم) في رسالته الى الحاكم الروماني هرقل : "وأنا أدعوكم إلى اعتناق الإسلام. إذا كنت قبول الإسلام ، وسوف تجد السلامة. إذا كنت تقبل الإسلام ، والله سوف تعطيك مكافأة مزدوجة. ومع ذلك ، إذا قمت بإيقاف بعيدا ، عليكم سيكون لها من الموضوع الخاص بك. "{صحيح البخاري وصحيح مسلم}.

حتى عندما يضطر للمسلم أن يقاتل وبعد ذلك ، نتيجة لذلك ، إخضاع الأراضي واجبهم هو بعد ذلك فقط لإقامة شريعة الله في الأرض وإعلاء شأن العدالة لجميع الناس ، مسلم وغير مسلم. ليس من حقهم في موضوعهم إكراه في قبول الإسلام ضد إرادتهم. يجب السماح للغير مسلم تحت حكم مسلم أن يبقى على دينهم ، ويجب أن يسمح لممارسة حقوق دينهم ، على الرغم من سيكون من المتوقع أن يحترموا قوانين البلاد.

وكان الغرض من الجهاد كان لإجبار الكفار على قبول الإسلام والرسول (صلي الله عليه وسلم) لن يكون أمر مسلم أن الامتناع عن القتال إذا رضخت العدو. وقال انه لم يكن لديك يحظر قتل النساء والأطفال. ومع ذلك ، هذا هو بالضبط ما فعله.

خلال المعركة ، والرسول (صلي الله عليه وسلم) رأى تجمع الناس معا. ارسلت رجلا لمعرفة لماذا كانوا مجتمعين. عاد الرجل وقال : "هي تجمع حول امرأة قتلت" لذلك رسول الله (صلي الله عليه وسلم) قال : "ينبغي ألا إنها تعرضت للهجوم!" خالد ب. وكان الوليد قيادة القوات ، حتى انه أرسل له رجلا يقول : "قل خالد" لا لقتل النساء أو العمال ". [سنن أبي داود]
ولذلك ، حتى في خضم المعركة ضد العدو معادية ، والشعب الوحيد الذي قد يكون هدفا لهجوم في الواقع أولئك الذين لا يشاركون في القتال الناس الأبرياء.



على هذه المذكرة ، وأنا أدين بشدة العمل الخاص بقتل الأبرياء النيجيريين. كما يقول القرآن : من يذبح الروح ، إلا أن يكون للقتل أو للفساد في الأرض ، فإنه على الرغم من العدد الكبير لأنه كله قاس ، واقتنى على قيد الحياة ، فإنه كما لو أنه أبقى على قيد الحياة بأكملها قاس ( القرآن الكريم 05:32).
الاستماع التكرم كلمة الله والاستيلاء على تفجير إذا كنت حقا وراءه ومعقولة الدخول في حوار مع الحكومة.


نأمل أن نرى اسم الطائفة الخاص بوكو تغيير الحلال وإشراك النيجيريين من خلال حملة توعية قوية في الحرم النظر في ما لكم عن بوكو.



تكريم.

السفير عبد الرزاق حمزة Oyebanji
سفير النوايا الحسنة من اجل السلام التابع للجنة الدولية لحقوق الإنسان في نيجيريا.

petrol station plank

The rules are simple: you must lie face down, palms flat against your sides, with your feet together and pointing at the floor. Points are awarded for an original location and for the number of spectators and participants involved. You must, of course, have somebody take a photo. Without a photo, you're just a person lying down. This is planking, described variously as a global participatory art project, the lazy man's free-running, a "pointless internet craze", the new flash-mobbing and, in the words of one incensed online commenter, "a sick, pagan pastime".

It has been a busy week for the plankers, in which they have suffered their first casualty, gained 100,000 converts and prompted a statement from the Australian prime minister. In the early hours of Sunday morning, 20-year-old Australian Acton Beale fell seven storeys to his death from the balcony of an apartment block in Kangaroo Point, Brisbane. He and a friend had been performing planks on their journey home from a night on the town.

The planking craze had only truly exploded in Australia two days earlier, when police arrested another young man for planking on the hood of an unoccupied police car. Nate Shaw, a 20-year-old, pointed out that he had done no damage and hurt no one, but was nonetheless charged with being found – quite literally – on police property without excuse. The arrest made headlines, and the Planking Australia Facebook page grew almost overnight from 8,000 fans to well over 100,000.

Speaking about the recent attack on her in the media, she explained that it was because of her stepping on some powerful toes in the course of her reform agenda in the oil industry.

On the oil exploration in the Northern part of the country, the former petroleum minister told the senators that a team of experts under the leadership of Prof. Ajekeye, a professional geologist, was working hard on the project and that in the next 24 months Nigeria would hit oil in the Chad.

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Diezani Allison-Madueke (born December 6, 1960) became Nigeria's minister of transportation on July 26, 2007. She was moved to Mines and Steel Development, and in April 2010 was appointed Minister of Petroleum Resources.

Background
Allison-Madueke was born on December 6, 1960 in Port Harcourt, Rivers State, Nigeria Her father was Chief Frederick Abiye Agama. She studied architecture in England and then at Howard University in the United States, and worked in USA for some years before returning to Nigeria, joining Shell Petroleum Development Corporation in 1992. In 2002, she attended Cambridge University for her MBA. In April 2006, Shell appointed her its first female Executive Director in Nigeria.

Since 1999 she has been married to Admiral Allison Madueke (retired), one-time Chief of Naval Staff who was at various times governor of Imo and Anambra State.

Federal cabinet positions
Allison-Madueke was appointed Transport Minister in July 2007. In June 2008 she was subject to a Senate probe after it emerged that as Transport Minister she had paid 30,9-billion naira ($263-million) to contractors between December 26 and 31 2007. She has however never been charged or tried for these allegations and has strongly denied any wrongdoing. In September 2008 there was an unsuccessful attempt to kidnap her at her house in Abuja. On December 23, 2008, she was appointed Minister of Mines and Steel Development.

In October 2009, the Senate of Nigeria indicted Diezani Allison-Madueke and recommended prosecution for the alleged transfer of N1.2 billion into the private account of a toll company without due process and in breach of concession agreement. However, the allegations have never been taken to law, and the Minister maintains her innocence.