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TheGoodJoe:

Or you can not read two pivots, One shields, one moves. So, showing two pivot positions has no way of disproving a fact. Why not circle the point where Etebo got fouled on the left wing? I get it, it will blow your argument apart.

TheSuperNerd:
I do wonder why you just dont wanna concede that you're wrong on this.

Etebo was everywhere in midfield and only joined Onazi because of his workrate and super marking abilities also.... He joined Onazi when we were in off-the-ball situations..... But he never remained with Onazi when we were on the ball and moving on the attack...

Your pixs mostly show him in off-the-ball situations... He had to mark and help Onazi choke the Algerians!!! Tu comprends??

I wonder how he got his assist sef... Think about it.

TheGoodJoe:
Gundogan? Always seen beyond defensive third? Sometimes, he drops deep to the defenders and exchange passes with them.

TheGoodJoe:

The same Etebo we saw fouled on the left wing? I guess he was a left winger. Why do you think there is praise for his work rate? He was not a DMF. Are you saying when Fernandinho and Gundogan play in midfield, Gundogan is a defensive midfielder?

It is a double pivot. One makes box-to-box runs, the other shields the defence. Etebo was the earlier.

TheGoodJoe:

Etebo played ahead of Onazi. He was a CMF. In the double pivot, most times one is a box-to-box. Etebo was not a defensive midfielder in that game.

Mickael2:
Because Etebo was more of a CMF in that match or you didn't notice that? Onazi was the standing DMF and Etebo was more of a CMF. Meanwhile, no matter how many DMFs you have, their primary work is to man the middle, if the play happened close to the throw-in then I would understand the covering part but this is inside the box, a DMF should be standing infront of the two CBs in that position, the LB and LCB had that covered, he went to mark a player who already had 2 players on him, isn't that poor decision making.

Mickael2:
what was Onazi doing in that second goal? Echejile was down because they blocked the first shot, what was Onazi doing at the left side of defence?! You have a LB and a LCB and both were charging the ball, for God's sake maintain your own position closer to the edge of the box

Mickael2:
I have rewatched the match and I still don't get your point. The Algerians had 3 clear cut chances arising from Onazi's inabilities. The first one was because he couldn't even keep up with Brahimi who wipped in a cross that was put over. The second one, Mahrez had all the time to shoot inside our box and our 'DMF' wasn't closing him down at all. We were not troubled because of Etebo's engine, Onazi was average or even below that. If you gave Akpeyi a 7 rating for one mistake which was actually caused by Onazi's mistake, then Onazi should get a 6 maximum

blueto:
I have really respected you because of your great profundity and expertise in football analyses, and to be honest, I even started to ditch my opinion that Iheanacho was better playing behind a top striker because of your erstwhile analyses that depicted contrary. But his performance against the Algerians was glaring, and I have made a resolute verdict that he is better playing behind a top striker. He is a fabulous poacher when he is behind, he positions perfectly for passes to come inside the box and delivers lethal strikes. Those coruscating goals he scored in UAE were scored as an attacking midfielder.

Speaking on team praises and personal accolades, although a player's interest ought to be subordinated to the team's interest. but I will also say that both goes together. The team's goal in that encounter was to win the match, and if it took the brilliant and terrific performance of Iheanacho for them to achieve such goal then what stops them from welcoming it??

Lets say that Moses picked up an injury prior to the match and hence, he was omitted from the squad, then who would have been the marksman against Algeria with Iheanacho's attempts curtailed as the top striker by the Algerians? Iwobi cannot be relied upon now as a consistent goalscorer.

Iheanacho is versatile as an attacking player no doubt, but if you want to get the best of him, then play him behind a top striker.

TheGoodJoe:
I disagree with the idea that people hate Onazi. He had a poor second half and that was why people made honest complain. Unfortunately, most did not consider the fact that he played with a knock most of the second half.

After Onazi went down, his mobility reduced. That did not stop the Algerians from fouling him repeatedly.

So they made honest view of his performance but did not consider the factors. I doubt that is hatred.

BascoVanVeli:
Onazi is not the only man in our midfield, some of this talk about Onazi is just scandalous. He had a big game and people are still nitpicking for i don't know wat. Even though injured the coach kept him on that should tell us something.

Icon4s:
Certitude is right. Iheanacho has that issue even at City. U cant compare Iwobi's first touches to Iheanacho's. He really needs to work on that.

joseph1013:
Love this! But you goofed on Onazi. Onazi and Etebo were not on the same level

goldfish80:
I gave Onazi top marks for putting his career on the line by taking that bang to deny the Algerians. He got injured as a result of that gash but still soldiered on.
It was clear his level dropped notch after that injury.
It wasn't like he was average prior to that. You may not notice but he was partly the reason why Algeria didn't trouble our defence and goalkeeper in the first half.
Algeria couldn't link the ball to Slimani from the midfield because onazi extinguished and intercepted their moves once they got close to our final third.
Rewatch the match, this time without tension to understand what am saying.

joseph1013:
Love this! But you goofed on Onazi. Onazi and Etebo were not on the same level

Mickael2:
so you gave Etebo and Onazi the same rating?! I wonder where you got this idea from

Etebo was our box to box today, a box to box is not tasked with covering the opposing midfielders. Onazi went out of position, Ekong and Omeruo were there to mark but Onazi had to joing the party

joseph1013:
Guys, we have to discuss o. Kelechi is not effective as a lone striker as seen in City and Eagles yet if he has to play as a SS, one of the guys in the midfield today would have to go (Etebo, Mikel, Onazi/Ndidi). How practicable is this?

cc: tbaba1234, thesupernerd, thegoodjoe, Michael2, goldfish80, icon4s, et al

Not like I know alot about Algerian football,but for Brahimi, Mahrez, Slimani the rest from midfield to attack are bang average players.
In defence, Ghulam the left back is the only top talent in the defence. Although he is prone to being erratic and yellow carded. Moses should be instructed to attack him with pace, within the first 20mins he will be yellow carded. This I belive will slow him down.

I don't think there is anything to fear about these Algerians, infact only Mahrez, Brahimi and Ghulam can make our starting 11....
We should be spanking these guys 4:1 or 3:1 in all honesty. https://www.nairaland.com/3018619/new-super-eagles-thread-russia/232#50681281

TheSuperNerd:
Hehehehehehehe.... Seems our 3-4-3/3-5-2 cries were heard afterall.... Loollll

Cc: Sir BascoVanVeli
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REVEALED: How Super Eagles Lined Up In
3-4-3 Formation During Close Door Session

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The Super Eagles of Nigeria held their first tactical session at the Nest of Champions ahead of their World Cup 2018 qualifiers against Algeria.

Coach Gernot Rohr held the session behind close doors but Owngoalnigeria.com eagle eyed
correspondent watched the training from a
section of the stadium unnoticed.

Rohr tried the players in two different formations during the session, starting with a 3-4-3 formation before switching formations again during the session.


Here is how the probables were lined up against
the possibles in a 3-4-3 formation as witnessed by our correspondent.


Daniel Akpeyi (GK)

William Troost Ekong ( DF)

Leon Balogun (DF)

Kenneth Omeruo (DF)

Victor Moses (RWB)

Ahmed Musa ( LWB)

Mikel Obi ( MF)

Eddy Onazi (MF)

Oghenekaro Etebo (FW)

Alex Iwobi (FW)

Kelechi Iheanacho (FW)

Keys:

GK: Goalkepper

DF: Defender

RWB: Right Wing Back

LWB: Left Wing Back

MF: Midfielder

FW: Forward


Source: http://owngoalnigeria.com/2016/11/11/revealed-how-super-eagles-lined-up-in-3-4-3-formation-during-close-door-session/

This formation could be far fetched. Abit alien to our style but I think a 3-5-2 formation could suit our team.
Something like this..
. . . . . . . . Ikeme. . . . . . .
... Omeruo. . . Leon. . . . Troost

.M.mohamed. . . . Onazi. . . Mikel
. . . . . . . . . . . . .iwobi. . . . . . . . . . . . Musa
. . . . . . . . Iheanacho. . . Ighalo

In this formation, Musa Muhammed would be licensed to push high up the field, just like a winger, when in possession, while the over load in midfield and Omeruo covers for him.
At the last AYC, he almost played like a free winger and got about 5goals. Won the player of the tournament I believe. Lichestiner plays this role for juventus.

In attack, Musa should be cutting in from the left. We all know what he did at the last world cup playing that position. Against South Africa in a friendly, he played from this angle and got a goal. He could be more prolific than moses playing there.

Iheanacho will support Odion and drop to the middle to help control the game,while Iwobi plays a free role which is his most natural position although he was trained at arsenal to play any role in attack even as a striker.

The Zambians will struggle to get out of their own half if we play a prototype like this. As they will be strangled to submission right there in Ndola.
https://www.nairaland.com/3018619/new-super-eagles-thread-russia/64

TheSuperNerd:
The full details of Rohr's revealing words about Mikel-Conte-Chelsea triangle....
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Rohr calls Conte out over Mikel


https://www.barbaric.com.ng/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Mikel-And-Rohr-Say-Nigeria-Super-Eagles-Will-Beat-Algeria-1.jpg



Technical Adviser of Nigeria’s national team,
Gernot Rohr has revealed the reason behind John
Mikel Obi's current travails at English Premier
League club, Chelsea.


Mikel, the current Super Eagles captain, has yet
to make a substitute appearance for Chelsea in all
competitions this season despite featuring
fleetingly for the Stamford Bridge club in pre-
season.

Rohr has now explained that Mikel has failed to
play competitively for Chelsea so far this season
because the club’s manager, Antonio Conte “is
punishing him” for representing Nigeria at the
2016 Olympic Games in Rio de Janeiro.

Mikel was Nigeria’s captain at the 2016 Olympics,
impressing as the “Dream Team” won the
country’s only medal – a Bronze - at the Games.

“I spoke about this with Mikel and the club’s
technical director (Michael Emenalo). Mikel is
training very well and he plays games in training
with the big players at Chelsea.


“There is a reason why Mikel is not playing for
Chelsea right now and that reason is because he
played for Nigeria at the (2016) Olympics.

“He was punished for that (by Conte)

“I cannot punish a player who loves his country
and shows that he loves the Green jersey,” Rohr
said at a press conference on Thursday ahead of
Nigeria’s 2018 Fifa World Cup qualifier in Uyo on
Saturday.


Rohr then hinted that the Chelsea man is certain
to start on Saturday against the Fennec Foxes at
the Godswill Akpabio International Stadium.


The trainer however stated that he is not certain
if Mikel will play the entire game or be substituted
at some point against the Algerians.


“He (Mikel) is here with us and he is fit and I hope
he can play for 90 minutes against Algeria but if it
is not possible, we shall see.


“He is a big player so if he tells me on Saturday
he can play for 90 minutes, great but if he says
he cannot, then I will also listen to him.

“If he is substituted, we have other players who
can come in for us so it is not really a problem for
us.


“I have seen Mikel in the training sessions and he
is okay and fit.


“He played a lot of games at the beginning of the
season at the Olympics and has also played two
games with us (Super Eagles) against Zambia
and Tanzania.


“I have big confidence in him and if he says ‘it is
okay’, then it is okay but when he says ‘it is not
okay’ then it is not and I will listen to him,” Rohr
explained.


Source: http://mobi.supersport.com/football/super-eagles/news/161110/Rohr_calls_Conte_out_over_Mikel

TheSuperNerd:
Be fair joor.... It's the reverse 11/9. 9/11 was during the time of George bush... That's the connection.

9/11 = 11/9 **I no insinuate anytin ooo** Just showing the "mirror" effect

tbaba1234:
I am just devastated by the result of the elections. Feel like not going to the office this morning. I wonder what the future holds for minorities in this America. Chai!!

TheGoodJoe:

Thanks for the apology. Do you have statistical connection for me to send Hillary Clinton flowers. I want her to know I care.

TheSuperNerd:
It's stale... You made it sound like you'll be surprising me with the news not knowing I got it covered elsewhere... News is about 3hours old...

...............
Garbadiola and "corrupt allegations"...... Ehmm... They don't add up.

They certainly don't. The Garbadiola tag obviously has to do with his style of play and football philosophy.

And you?? A barca what?? A fan of Barca?? Looolllll... Sir Joseph1013 I know, Sir BascoVanVeli I know.... But you?? And you don't like Tiki taka?? Hahahahahaha.... I am definitely missing something...

TheSuperNerd:
It wasn't last night mister... It was this morning.

And I already dropped that news in the youths/cadets talents thread... so it's stale.... Tu comprends?

Still terming him Garbadiola huh?? Shows your obvious disdain for tiki taka.... No wonder you dragged the argument for so long. *smh*

TheGoodJoe:
Your point was that you made a funny statement about right-back and aerial balls. You are funny abeg you. You do not even remember how Kalaba got his Yellow card. It was in the eighteen yard box and it was Ndidi marking. So please, I have explained how Ndidi got to the line of fire. You can read stats and argue.

Leave me please. I am yet to recover from Hillary Clinton's loss.

TheGoodJoe:
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Browse stats.

TheSuperNerd:
Not when the away team scores a goal to make it 1 nil.

And certainly not when, u get beaten 7-1 at home.

safarigirl:
Thegoodjoe and goldfish80, mbok you people should take this your 4 days old argument to the other room.


Haba! Can't you just agree to disagree and drop the matter? You mustn't come out on top at all times. Just leave this decision to the coach

TheGoodJoe:

What are you talking? I am talking of his performance against Zambia, you are talking Genk. Do not make me laugh.

TheGoodJoe:

Who told you that aerial balls only have to do with set pieces? Do you know when balls are cleared from the back, it goes up? Do you know crosses go up? To use set pieces as the only aerial ball highlights why I say you only read data and hardly understand what you watch.

Ndidi drifted to the center during the game to help. I would not spend my time explaining tactics to you. I give a hint. When Echiejile overlapped, sometimes Omeruo moves to the left to cover the gap. In such position, Ndidi adjusted to give the central defence solidity.

This is not reading stats and arguing like you understand what you are talking. You do not know what you see. Shown many times in your argument.

You did not see Ndidi in the central defence when the Zambian player dived. Was that at the right-back position? Sorry. You do not understand what your watching. Just reading stats.

TheGoodJoe:
Why do you feel we will not play a possessive passing style because, someone already highlighted Balogun's statement of the playing style?

With the next few games we will understand Rohr's but most modern teams, including the Germans play with brilliant passing midfielders.

If Rohr moves towards a solid passing team, we will need a solid passing midfielder.

Whether you like it or not or feel it is not the African way. At the end, we are thinking of playing against top teams. So the Bad pitch excuse is off the mark.