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BabaGnoni:
^^^
I give up. Facepalm. SMH

Wise choice buddy! You cannot blockbthe sun with one finger. Go and sin no more, your sins are forgiven you.

BabaGnoni:
https://s29.postimg.org/j11nc9bgn/stop_and_warning_sign.jpg

I know you didnt drive down to the IPPC CONFERENCE but still believe you understand the above highway code signs
- one is a prohibition/order sign the other is a warning sign

As far as I know, no one has given the first sign but rather it has been a case of waving or flagging the second sign

So now Gombs, should one encourage a Christian to WARN about tithing
If Yes, why discourage a Christian to WARN on tithing then?. Why STOPPING a Christian to give WARNING(s) on tithing?

You can warn a Christian to stop tithing iF AND ONLY IF you have a scripture condeming tithing in its entirety. Until then, you have no right or set of rights, jurisdiction either comically, morally, theologically or arbitrarily to try and manipulate, conjure, coerce and/or lie to anyone to STOP or WARN them about paying their tithes.

vooks:
Why then should you curse a fellow believer with schizophrenia?
Don't do that again. Polish your jokes

You acted like you were na! . Besides, he didn't curse you, why ar e you making a mountain outta a termite hill?

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No they should not. Why would you discourage tithing?

Ah! Finally a breakthrough. Cc: WinsomeX, Candour, Shedemidemi, BabaGnoni, mand the rest of the crew. Come and take notes o

You should,if anything, try to understand their motivation.

Yes.... folks can't seem to understand tithing in faith, neither could they produce one scripture where it was condemned.

If I told you am selling all my properties and giving it to your church, would you as my pastor not be interested to know why am doing it?

I don't necessarily need ask why, I simply applaud you and pray alongside you, that your heart desires be granted you. Folks give their brand new cars, I never asked why...I simply admired them.

What if I told you am selling all because the Lord is coming back in the next 6 months? Would you take it?

Then my brother, I'd need take you on a bible study.

vooks:
You need deliverance from Hollywood

Can one catch diseases from non-payment of first fruits?

No, they can't!

My turn! Should one encourage a Christian to stop tithing? If yes, why?

vooks:
Gombs,
You have exceeded your goD Oyaks in impact no debate about that
Now that we have done away with BS, let's talk doctrine

PS: Don't stoop low enough to mock the diseased. Bidam is allowed, you are too polished and intelligent for that

Bring it on, old sport!

LambanoPeace:
He asked for your experience in soul winning and strategies, guess what your answers were? You have none, there is/are no shame in admitting. Good morning

Don't mind that fellow.

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what you are calling conjecture is EXACTLY what happens here. Gombs is notorious. He started with claiming his Rhapsodies thread has more impact than the WOF one.

Yup, that's beyond reasonable doubt. That WoF thread was a gathering of some board members to discuss what they feel. With treacherous errors dotted all over the thread, you can't help but wonder "is the thread about failures or are the board members"?

I pushed him to define 'impact'. He mumbled something to do with views,emails,prayers.....

Remember how WinsomeX explained the success of the WoF thread? Believe it or not, I have impacted lives with the gospel online and offline more than you can ever do in 60years if you continue with this your nature and attitude. What is it again? Numbers is not a yardstick shey? And Narrow is the way and few find it right?

i called out this vanity. Does the views on a thread reflect the truth on a thread?

Stop being cynical. I can ask same about the WoF thread, WinsomeX made mention of views, a fact I broke down very very well, I even used the miniskirt analogy....
But....that ror thread has enough truth to last more than 50 entire millennia, than that WoF thread with erros like Jim Baker was WoF etc

It quickly turned into Rhapsodies distributed,branches. Somebody was being challenged to match that. Am not too old on NL but I have noticed that habit of throwing around CE numbers at inconvenient occasions.

Admit, they give you seizures. Dr. Bidam is very close by for necessary prescriptions.

When you are accused of peddling false doctrine, please justify your position Biblically not from subjective parameters such as 'millions' of Rhapsodies distributed or bought by branches.

I see not only does my gifs get you paranoid, the ROR too does! How do we help your situation now? Dr. Bidam...any help? Or do we need Dr. Phil or Oprah?

There comes a time when I know that you know the point am making whether you admit it or not and you agree with me. This is it.

Yeah, prophecy time, like one nanny here said one day scales would fall off my eyes. I've got great news, you both are gonna wait a long time. So very long a time.

Shalom

Thanks bro! Good morning

trustman:
You have just given yourself away again.
We have not finished dealing with the matters on this thread and you want us
to go off to other ones. You are confirming what i have said repeatedly.

For your information, each Christian has his spiritual gift and God's allotted
sphere of assignment. Within that sphere when he does his service well he
receives God's approval.

Success to God may be completely different from man's measure so it
would out of place to begin to reduce success to figures like you guys have
done in recent times.

Don't you ever quote me again, and don't worry I won't quote you.

Cheers!

Baloney!

Oyinprince:
Happy birthday sir, God bless you and increase your coast

I've mailed you

trustman:
Until you quote where i said something out of place do not expect me to be forced into another man's issue if i don't want to.
If that hurts you, sorry about that.








Issues, content, doctrine!
When it comes to these, you guys fall flat on your faces.
You only prefer to spill out your leader's position even when it is clear to you
that it does not quite line up with scripture. So you look for escape routes or
resort to banter. That is why you RUN AWAY from answering so many of the
questions posed to you.

So, you are the one that wants to teach Pastor Chris who taught me shey? Oya, I'm ready to learn from you. For starters, how have you reached out to the world of sinners so far? Share with me your strategies and successes. Thank you.

Candour:
They have to....or you don't think so?

Yes, they should create one. Seun! See to it please

Candour:
I should be asking you......considering the number of posts you've contributed to the NL archive section

Forgive me buddy, but does NL have an archive section?

Candour:
You should know i sang a song in jest friend

who will do the persecuting? you or image?

You should know I was refering to the bold in jest too

Image123:
Oh, there he is AGAIN. Brother, do you live here?

Image123:
i don't have a boat. Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe, Gnoni.

Image no go kill me o...

Candour:
He has come again.....he has come again.....Father he has come again......Holy Ghost he has come again...

Image, Dem send you?

You feel persecuted shey? Kpele

Image123:
talk about HITTING the NAIL on the HEAD. Are you a brother to the Son of the carpenter?

BabaGnoni:
I wonder how a light-hearted jokingly "Keep quiet there..." got turned into an opportunity for another ad hominem or slagging a third party. SMH

Light hearted huh? Story certainly for the gods.

BabaGnoni:
Would you put a defective and loaded gun into the hands of a minor?
This is what WoF indoctrination(s) does and it leads many impressionable, unsuspecting, gullible, easily influenced, vulnerable old & young, into debts, bankruptcy, worse off financial mess, less prosperous, unfulfilled expectations etcetera
Only a wicked lying through their teeth person will not acknowledge this

See who's talking! The snake charmer himself

BabaGnoni:
Gombs, you better learn some decorum and buy some toothpaste whilst at it.
I hate to say this Gombs, young bucks wont understand, that's all I'll say

Nah, no way. The amazing anointing reeking holy jacket is ice, it is cooler.
- What came on Benny Hinn there? What is going on in there?

I can't make sense of what you typed. Mind using plainer english? Be presentable. Be original

trustman:
Denial

That's your pseudo name.

When Gombs and company refusal to admit to a clear truth, they live in denial.
Because they seem unable to cope with the possibility that their long-held positions
on several issues are wrong they seek for an escape route in denial.
They can face the prospects of changing perhaps several years of wrong teaching.
As a result they put all they can muster into trying to 'prove' that their perceived
opponents' positions are wrong no matter how ridiculous their arguments are.

Like you admitted clear truths that Abraham was not Isrealite.? Like you accepted clear truth that your noble board member said eve had sex with a...emmm... ?

You, my friend, are a wonderful blueprint for denial.

They also display excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to their leader.

You want me to commit to you? You must be joking. I am convinced beyond words that Pastor Chris is a man sent from God. Like it or not.

Even if a clear portion of scripture is shown them on an issue, as long it conflicts wit
their leader's position they will refuse it.This expression is cultic.

You can't even teach yourself, with numerous blunders, yet you want to teach me or even more Pastor Chris.

That is why it is almost impossible for them to disagree with anything their leader says
or any stance he takes on an issue.

Provide me a more truer gospel, and I'd listen to you. Till then

BabaGnoni:
https://gifyu.com/images/BennyJacket.gif
Gombs! Keep quiet there, else be ready to be on the receiving end of this anointing reeking holy jacket LOL

Bring on your best shot... remember to bring along your lap dog... you know now, the one who sold his honour for a morsel of eba. By the way, aint gifs cool?

Processor01:
I am so disappointed with Pastor Kun and Voks! - What exactly is wrong with you guys?! Didn't your bible teach you that there's a time for everything? Do you guys think we are on nairaland to pick fights and make enemies of each other? Where is your love or are you just about bible knowledge with no fruits? Common guys, how dare you walk into a man's party only to insult him before his guests - you could have clicked on the next topic or simply shutdown your phone or PC! Haba guys! You could have gone into your closet to pray for him to be changed, or what exactly is your goal?

FYI, I am an anti-tither too!

Thank you. These are the true gospel prechers we have on NL

mbaemeka:
Just imagine if that link said "Millions healed" by CE Pastor. You would have seen Sherlock Holmes, Matlock and Nancy Drew in full gear proving how bogus such a claim was. Now that it sounded scandalous it became the absolute truth with no need to investigate it.

Hahahaha.

You'd see BBG and others with YouTube videos, Kunle will remeber Invectives, Shedemidemi would bring scriptures, vooks will remember James Randi, WinsomeX will remember Sir John, Goshen will remember mathematics etc

But so far it's bad news, it most surely is absolute truth, they swallow it hook, line and sinker. Never will they celebrate good news. Remember when Pastor Chris gave out that state of the art lecture theatre in Edo state? These blokes never asked my opinion, nor created threads about it.

mbaemeka:
The emboldened is on a wheelchair man- lame. That's just conjecture that we don't take serious or bother responding to as it is nothing like us. A proper exchange would have been:

Vooks: WOF teaches a false gospel and the Pastors are all fake.
Mbaemeka: but Millions have listened to the gospel from the so-called WOF men and they seem to be doing well off. Sicknesses are healed, poor are becoming rich, ignorance seems a thing of the past.
Vooks: numbers is sideshow. False signs and false prophets shall arise.
Mbaemeka:

Hahhahhaahaahhaahahaha

Nice one

WinsomeX:
Gombs, if you really want a discussion on tithes I can engage you. I will only request that you remain on the subject and reduce the theatrics. My answer:

Deal

Regardless what some may make of my position on tithes here, my position really is that of liberty. Tithe if you want to and don't tithe, if you care. I only insist that no one should teach it as a Christian doctrine and no one should be manipulated to tithe. The truth is that the moment tithes is exposed for it truly is, people quite naturally stop tithing. This is what tithers call stopping people from tithing; which we on the other hand simply call exposing the truth behind the biblical tithes.

What is it that tithing really is that should make people NATURALLY stop tithing?

Sometimes I think those who are for or against tithing get it wrong because what we casually call a "tithe" is not the bible tithe. The moment the true nature of the tithe is exposed, the whole practice begin to fall apart. Leviticus 27:30-33 reveal the biblical tithes:

What of Abraham and Melchizedek? Is it Koranic tithing?

Leviticus 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.... 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.

What of pre mosaic tithing?

The bible tithe is fruit of tree, seed of the ground and tenth of the herd . What you call tithes today, a tenth of your salary all your increase, is not the tithes of the bible.

Meanwhile, you've shifted goal post from your usual definition of tithes when you were Drummaboy.

If you however insist that tithes is 10% and 10% of anything is tithes, I will again have to point to you that that practice of tithing is obsolete according to the NT. If you must tithe, as some claim they imitate tithing before the law, then you must answer the reason behind some other pre-law practices that are no longer observed in church: Genesis 2, said God rested from his works, initiating the practice of the sabbath.

Halt old sport! That bold above is very very very very very true. But what is the seventh day? Using which calendar? Meanwhile, Jesus said "The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath.
He also said he's the Lord of Sabbath, does that mean anything to you?

When Jesus came, he showed clearly that he was the Lord of the sabbath and his disciples flouted sabbath rules with reckless abandon. Paul also warns against such defunct observance, Col 2:16:

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Then there is circumcision. Clearly said to be an eternal covenant with God's people in Gen 17. Galatians 5:1-4 shows us that anyone finding acceptance with God through circumcision had fallen from grace.

We've said it here, physical circumcision only means you identify with the promises, but it does not make you righteous.

We have burnt offering and various rituals that preceded the law. All of this have no place in the NT. How come did Abram once and for all tithing of war spoil become a standard for Christians?

Mba has answered this, please flip few pages back for futher tuition.

The answer is simple: the tithing according to Abraham is a theological copout to legitimize fraud in the church. If it must be practised, Christians should tithe once and tithe only of war spoils.

War spoils? Ok according to you logic above? what if there's no wars? And they must tithe, What then? Create wars?

Tithing according to the law does not hold water and thankfully many tithers try not to go to the law to justify their tithing. Rom 10:4; Heb 8:13.

Malachi 3 was written to a particular time ahead of theirs, it was a prophecy, how many times do I have to write that?

Now, I find it interesting that tithers are the ones playing the victim now, saying people are forcing them not to tithe. The truth is that it is people who do not tithe that are being insisted upon to tithe in real life. Many have been chased away from their local churches because of their position on tithe; many have been demonized and vilified for their bold position against this illegality; outside this faceless forum, very few people can speak up against tithes without being seen as accursed individuals; etc.

Hahahahahah, you don't want folks to tithe, because it's a fraud, yet you can't pull a single thread that condemned it. Yes you should tithe, Midas touch, this book, gives you thousands of reasons to...and majorly, it's to sponsor the work of ministry. To have meat in the house of the Lord?
You were nit chased from your church because of your presentation, you went to the sheep through the window, with your thoughts, the Bible call that robbery.

The reality is that non tithers are vilified not because they insist that people shouldn't tithe; rather they are demonized because they insist that church people should have liberty to use their resources for whatever they wish, including not paying a tithe on it. However a clergy system that has benefitted from the tithes will have non of it.

Ok, I want the liberty to tithe, and I have the right to teach others... from experiences.

Gombs, I am not insisting on anyone not to tithe; I am only insisting on the true biblical tithe be preached and that men be given the liberty scripture has given us to use our resources for whatever we wish to use it for, 2 Cor 9:7:

Yes...I don't force anyone to tithe, I teach them, show them benefits and experiences, believe me, they thank me later.

2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Gbam

Image123:
Is this positive confession? WoF admirer alert.

Name it and claim it shey?

Cc:
WinsomeX and the board members

trustman:
Gombs & Co,
Does The Midas Touch have anything to say on the issue below:

I don't. Why not get back to the Facebook page and ask them? You believe anything you read online so far it puts CE in bad light, you now shamelessly mention me for an opinion? Ask WinsomeX, he seems to have opinions you'd love to hear.

OLAADEGBU:
So you think that you are a god, since God is a Spirit, no?

Psalm 82:6

when God wanted to create man in His image,what did you think He created?

trustman:
I'm saying that I'm eager to have your thoughts on those questions.

How am i supposed to have a thought about it when you haven't been to any?

vooks:
Like what, daring SirJohn kind of battles?

Like refuting claims from true gospel preachers since 2009