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Goshen...you see why I said you're confused?

Read what you typed and see whether I said we re bounded by the law. Meehn!

. Gombs is another fraud of CE in apprentice school and in training.

This got me cracking though

Kenny4lyfe:
@Gombs pls check your mail. Thanks!

Nothing yet o!

[quote author=Candour post=28363904]

Hear Hagin on page 88

Bobo, you've quoted him outta context, now flip your pages back to page 67, don't worry, see the pic below

color=#000099]I've also heard preachers try to hammer Christians by quoting from Malachi chapter 3 saying that they are cursed if they don't pay tithes and give offerings. Obviously, this is not correct. While the people of Malachi's day were under the Law of Moses, the New Testament plainly declares that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law (Gal. 3:13). [/color]

Who is lying now? You or me?

I still think you are . Howbeit, not exactly a lie
Notice he was against preachers hammering christians in a threat that they are cursed, I wrote he who doesn't places himself in a curse (limit yourselve from a set blessing) those are two different things o. Hagin was speaking about legalism, preachers using legalism to preach tithing. There is no curse as in a CURSE, the curse there was limiting yourself, that's why I wrote, "you put yourselves under one" not "God will curse you"

Really? You call non tithers robbers, right? Where will a robber end up?

Robbing God has it's penatly here on earth, limiting yourselves from some blessings, He never said it has eternal consequences for robbing him.

Something cannot stand on nothing. There'll not be need for this particular argument but for your claim that you follow Abraham to tithe (but of course rush to Moses via Malachi to ensure compliance utilizing the fear factor).

Convinent answer...that means there are none. Ok

Now prove Abraham paid tithes on any thing apart from spoils of war. Then we can proceed to establishing whether we need anything condemned before we know it doesn't pertain to us.

If it was only wars, how come his grandson had enough knowledge to tithe, noting Jacob didn't fight a war?

I'm gonna say this once...the Jerusalem council DID NOT cancel the out the necessity of circumcision and tithing. What they did was that they decided that Gentile converts to Christianity were not obligated to keep most of the Law of Moses, including the rules concerning circumcision of males.

Now, neither circumcision nor tithing has their inception in the Laws of Moses. And they were not obligated to keep most of the law because certain individuals came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved " . The council was prompt to debunk that. Same as I have been schooling you that circumcision NEVER made one righteous. They never as you claimed said tithing and circumcision were not necessary, they said circumcision was not necessary for righteousness. Abraham was declared righteous by faith even before circumcision.

The Council did, however, retain the prohibitions on eating blood, meat containing blood, and meat of animals not properly slain, and on fornication and idolatry, sometimes referred to as the Apostolic Decree orJerusalem Quadrilateral.

As you can see from above, the Law was not completely abolished, a fact mba, Joagbaje me, bidam has been teaching here for ages. Goshen360 the confused grace preacher never seem to comprehend this.

Candour:
@the bold. Hagin, whom you rever so much doesnt agree with you, do you think he's lying?

No, I think you are. Flip 90 pages back, you'd see Hagin quoting Mal 3:8, you doubt?

do you believe non tithers are going to hell?

No I don't.

Can you show one scripture to prove Abraham paid tithe from anything apart from spoils of war?

Ahn ahn bobo, you didn't answer me na.... Condemnation of tithing in its entirety is a nice confession from you, now my question is, "Can you show me one scripture that condemned tithing in the faintest of senses?"

Oblige me. Thanks[/quote]

trustman:
Issues, context, doctrine!
You can't really handle these, can you?
I have thrown you a challenge. I await your response.
I have equally shown you how the Jerusalem Council knocked out the necessity for Christians to either be circumcised or be forced to tithe.
If you're teachable you will learn.

I've clearly asked you not to quote me. Open a thread or go to the WoF thread, tag it F25 and write away your thoughts undisputed. You are full of errors and going into further Jerusalem/council/circumcision will not help your case.

See the teachable one who can learn! My goodness! Did you admit you learnt Abraham was not Isrealite? Of that Ishmael was circumcised, hence your theories were dead and superly carnal from an obsessed mind of a true gospel preacher crew.

Trustman, in simpler English, whenever you own up to your numerous blunder, let me know, then I can take you serious. Learn from Candour, though we don't agree in somethings, we are able to discuss and laugh and have headways. He NEVER make blunder like snakes and eve and Abraham being isrealite type of error.

Candour:
i'm sure you saw etc after that list? the lies are actually inexhaustible and are proclaimed from pulpits everyday, everytime.

of course i've condemned preaching 'paying of tithes' as a christian doctrine in it's entirety.

P/S. Do you think its christian for oyaks, adeboye and robertson to tell those lies just to get folks to tithe?

Good... but we've debated this over and over again. You place yourself under a curse by robbing God, you don't have to start a new gist about that for we have done that ages ago. Never has pastor chris or my pastor forced me to tithe, they taught me, I obeyed, saw marvellous benefits and I continued. Faith was my driving force bro!

Condemnation of tithing in its entirety is a nice confession from you, now my question is, "Can you show me one scripture that condemned tithing in the faintest of senses?"

mbaemeka:
Ha ha ha bro. I tire for the matter. I have encountered him before. He can switch positions like a contortionist and yet maintain that that had been his position all along. For example, can you see how circumcision was for ISRAEL AND ONLY ISRAEL yet Ismael was circumcised? Or how Abraham- a Gentile, was circumcised too? Mayhe Abraham didn't get the memo.

True gospelers!

Abraham sure didn't. True gospel preachers at their best, and he wants me to commit to his teachings? Pheeeeew

mbaemeka:
This is a stand you have to take to make your stance on tithing worth its salt. There is TITHING and there is FREEWILL GIVING. There is no fixed % on the latter but the former means 10% or one-tenth. It basically defines itself.

If anyone wants to tithe he MUST not give less than 10% otherwise it is not a tithe. Whereas if anyone wants to give anything freewillingly then he is free to do so underzero compulsion.

Bro, you dropping these rhema like the Holy Spirit downloaded them into you, but I could not do these for them, for I gravely understood Paul as below.

[KJV] 1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

I found out that spiritual talk with them profiteth little, but I'm glad but a bit worried too you still give them in spirit, maybe for posterity sake though. My worries is in the latter part of what bro Paul, in verse 2 of above, wrote I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

Let's give them in little doses these meat, hence they act as usual, as Paul wrote in veree 3

For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

We know those envious of ministers and call them bad name just to hang them, we know those who spread strife and ask for opinions, ah! We know those who championed divisions among the brethren because they are 'exposing the truth for all' to see.

We will keep teaching, till Jesus come, meat and milk sha. We'd pray tyey accept meat. Amen

mbaemeka:
This is even more Gibberisher than the previous post.

Let me pace myself a bit with you since you are not as quick-witted as I had overestimated you to be.

If I was to tell you instances of Tetraplegics and Palsy sufferers who got healed instantly by the anointing of God, you would have disbelieved them even if I provided videos for you. Secondly, your incredulity is not limited to the Pastor I would have referred you to: it encompasses even many others abroad and ahome (on earth and in heaven for e.g Kenneth Hagin). So it made absolutely no sense for me to honor your questions with the sort of reply you were craving for. Lastly, you made a fallacy of Generalizing Hastily by making it seem like 'ALL' Healing school ministers avoided patients with the conditions above when you have NEVER attended any of the healing schools to corroborate such a statement. The same way you asserted that Christopher Columbus helped prove Galileos discoveries right even when Columbus had died before Galileo was born. I am sure you realise you are a tad too whimsical in your responses and they have always come back to bite you where the sun doesn't shine.

Now, let it be that none of the WOF or WOF related ministers I know have healed anyone suffering from the 2 conditions you mentioned. Let it be that the testimonies they have were all stage-managed. You who believes in Yahweh that heals, can you provide any evidences to back that claim or is it just hot-air (again) ? I.e are you just throwing the I-believe-Yahweh-can-heal-those-things line, even when you don't really believe?

PS: I ignored all your nonsense about verbatim quotes and the likes. You were dishonest enough to refuse to admit your Eve-serpent-sex, Kenneth Hagin-Apostle, Tower of Babel was mythical goof (s) so I don't expect you to take the humble route and keep mum now. And you have the temerity to call someone incorrigible and wallowing in ignorance? Hahahahahahaha!

Amazing the nerves that bloke has, huh?

His fellow board member who sold his honesty and integrity for a morsel of pounded yam has the moral thought to tread same line he is, calling another ignorant and in denial, one wonders whether they discuss these in the board room!

Candour:
i have told u plenty times i'm not interested in stopping you from tithing. you are free to pay 90% of your income as tithe (as some claim to do).see what transpired between you and i some days ago





https://www.nairaland.com/1957135/midas-touch-balanced-approach-biblical/80#28245401


Infact i must have stated the below as my motivation for engaging in these arguments a lot of times (trust you and others wont claim you've not read it in my posts before). my motivation is against the lies below

1. If you don't pay tithe, you're a robber and of course hell bound
2. If you don't pay tithe , you're cursed
3. IF you don't pay tithe, you'll be attacked by devourers like sickness, marital problems, car problems, accidents, business losses etc
4. if you don't pay tithe, you'll not be blessed by God
etc

As long as you don't threaten Christians with the above, go ahead and pay everything you have as tithe. They're yours to do with as you like

My man, your stand is noted, but are you saying you never discoraged giving of tithes oustide the above numbered? In plain terms, are you saying you never condemned paying of tithes in its entirety?

The Holy Spirit—Our Indispensable Helper! - Wednesday, November 26th .

Pastor Chris

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever (John 14:16).

The Holy Spirit is an extraordinary gift to us God’s children (Acts 2:38). He, in the parlance of computer science, is like the “downloader.” It takes the Holy Spirit to “download” heavenly files, and bring heavenly materiality into the human system.

He alone, for example, can help you accept the virgin birth of Jesus Christ, His sacrificial death,triumphant resurrection, and His glorious ascension into heaven. Only the Holy Spirit can convince you that the blood of Jesus Christ was adequate for the salvation of humanity. So when you find that you can understand and accept these spiritual realities, it means the Holy Spirit has unveiled them to you; He’s working in your life.

When Jesus asked His disciples, “Who do men say I am?” only Peter spoke rightly, and said, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God” (Matthew 16:16). The Master’s response to Peter was, “…Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 16:17). Peter wasn’t guessing; he certainly didn’t know this in his head; the knowledge of who Jesus is was imparted tohim by the Holy Spirit. There’re no human parameters that can help you comprehend spiritual realities.

Even in preaching and ministering salvation to others, you must understand that the Gospel that we’ve been given and charged to take to the nations of the world, is a Gospel that can’t be humanly explained and accepted. Consequently, we need the Holy Spirit to minister through us, and to help bring the understanding of the message to those to whom we minister. His help is inevitable in everything we do.

Never find yourself doing anything or building anything by your own natural strength or human wisdom; it'll fail. Psalm 127:1 says, “Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it....” Perhaps you’re a minister of the Gospel, don’t try to build the Church by your own strength; don’t rely on your natural abilities, for that alone won’t work. Depend on the Holy Spirit. Take advantage of His glorious ministry in your life. He’s in you to help you live the triumphant Christian life and be successful in all that you do, to the glory of the Father. He’s your indispensable Helper!

Prayer...
I thank you Father for filling me with the Holy Spirit, who continually reveals Christ Jesus to me, and grants me insight into mysteries and secrets of the Kingdom. I’m mightily helped by Him today to live triumphantly, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. ;

1 Corinthians 2:10-11 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

John 14:16 AMP And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, and Standby), that He may remain with you forever.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: 1 Peter 5, Ezekiel 35-36
2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Revelation 2:1-12, Hosea 5-6

OLAADEGBU:
So He created another God with a small "g" making you a deity just like Jesus, right?

i am not a deity,but yes,i am not ordinary the moment i got born again.

man is a spirit,he has a soul and lives in a body.. .not man is divided into 3 parts,spirit,soul and body.

BabaGnoni:
^^^
I give up. Facepalm. SMH

Wise choice buddy! You cannot blockbthe sun with one finger. Go and sin no more, your sins are forgiven you.

BabaGnoni:
https://s29.postimg.org/j11nc9bgn/stop_and_warning_sign.jpg

I know you didnt drive down to the IPPC CONFERENCE but still believe you understand the above highway code signs
- one is a prohibition/order sign the other is a warning sign

As far as I know, no one has given the first sign but rather it has been a case of waving or flagging the second sign

So now Gombs, should one encourage a Christian to WARN about tithing
If Yes, why discourage a Christian to WARN on tithing then?. Why STOPPING a Christian to give WARNING(s) on tithing?

You can warn a Christian to stop tithing iF AND ONLY IF you have a scripture condeming tithing in its entirety. Until then, you have no right or set of rights, jurisdiction either comically, morally, theologically or arbitrarily to try and manipulate, conjure, coerce and/or lie to anyone to STOP or WARN them about paying their tithes.

vooks:
Why then should you curse a fellow believer with schizophrenia?
Don't do that again. Polish your jokes

You acted like you were na! . Besides, he didn't curse you, why ar e you making a mountain outta a termite hill?

[quote author=vooks post=28354451]

No they should not. Why would you discourage tithing?

Ah! Finally a breakthrough. Cc: WinsomeX, Candour, Shedemidemi, BabaGnoni, mand the rest of the crew. Come and take notes o

You should,if anything, try to understand their motivation.

Yes.... folks can't seem to understand tithing in faith, neither could they produce one scripture where it was condemned.

If I told you am selling all my properties and giving it to your church, would you as my pastor not be interested to know why am doing it?

I don't necessarily need ask why, I simply applaud you and pray alongside you, that your heart desires be granted you. Folks give their brand new cars, I never asked why...I simply admired them.

What if I told you am selling all because the Lord is coming back in the next 6 months? Would you take it?

Then my brother, I'd need take you on a bible study.

vooks:
You need deliverance from Hollywood

Can one catch diseases from non-payment of first fruits?

No, they can't!

My turn! Should one encourage a Christian to stop tithing? If yes, why?

vooks:
Gombs,
You have exceeded your goD Oyaks in impact no debate about that
Now that we have done away with BS, let's talk doctrine

PS: Don't stoop low enough to mock the diseased. Bidam is allowed, you are too polished and intelligent for that

Bring it on, old sport!

LambanoPeace:
He asked for your experience in soul winning and strategies, guess what your answers were? You have none, there is/are no shame in admitting. Good morning

Don't mind that fellow.

[quote author=vooks post=28351744]

what you are calling conjecture is EXACTLY what happens here. Gombs is notorious. He started with claiming his Rhapsodies thread has more impact than the WOF one.

Yup, that's beyond reasonable doubt. That WoF thread was a gathering of some board members to discuss what they feel. With treacherous errors dotted all over the thread, you can't help but wonder "is the thread about failures or are the board members"?

I pushed him to define 'impact'. He mumbled something to do with views,emails,prayers.....

Remember how WinsomeX explained the success of the WoF thread? Believe it or not, I have impacted lives with the gospel online and offline more than you can ever do in 60years if you continue with this your nature and attitude. What is it again? Numbers is not a yardstick shey? And Narrow is the way and few find it right?

i called out this vanity. Does the views on a thread reflect the truth on a thread?

Stop being cynical. I can ask same about the WoF thread, WinsomeX made mention of views, a fact I broke down very very well, I even used the miniskirt analogy....
But....that ror thread has enough truth to last more than 50 entire millennia, than that WoF thread with erros like Jim Baker was WoF etc

It quickly turned into Rhapsodies distributed,branches. Somebody was being challenged to match that. Am not too old on NL but I have noticed that habit of throwing around CE numbers at inconvenient occasions.

Admit, they give you seizures. Dr. Bidam is very close by for necessary prescriptions.

When you are accused of peddling false doctrine, please justify your position Biblically not from subjective parameters such as 'millions' of Rhapsodies distributed or bought by branches.

I see not only does my gifs get you paranoid, the ROR too does! How do we help your situation now? Dr. Bidam...any help? Or do we need Dr. Phil or Oprah?

There comes a time when I know that you know the point am making whether you admit it or not and you agree with me. This is it.

Yeah, prophecy time, like one nanny here said one day scales would fall off my eyes. I've got great news, you both are gonna wait a long time. So very long a time.

Shalom

Thanks bro! Good morning

trustman:
You have just given yourself away again.
We have not finished dealing with the matters on this thread and you want us
to go off to other ones. You are confirming what i have said repeatedly.

For your information, each Christian has his spiritual gift and God's allotted
sphere of assignment. Within that sphere when he does his service well he
receives God's approval.

Success to God may be completely different from man's measure so it
would out of place to begin to reduce success to figures like you guys have
done in recent times.

Don't you ever quote me again, and don't worry I won't quote you.

Cheers!

Baloney!

Oyinprince:
Happy birthday sir, God bless you and increase your coast

I've mailed you

trustman:
Until you quote where i said something out of place do not expect me to be forced into another man's issue if i don't want to.
If that hurts you, sorry about that.








Issues, content, doctrine!
When it comes to these, you guys fall flat on your faces.
You only prefer to spill out your leader's position even when it is clear to you
that it does not quite line up with scripture. So you look for escape routes or
resort to banter. That is why you RUN AWAY from answering so many of the
questions posed to you.

So, you are the one that wants to teach Pastor Chris who taught me shey? Oya, I'm ready to learn from you. For starters, how have you reached out to the world of sinners so far? Share with me your strategies and successes. Thank you.

Candour:
They have to....or you don't think so?

Yes, they should create one. Seun! See to it please

Candour:
I should be asking you......considering the number of posts you've contributed to the NL archive section

Forgive me buddy, but does NL have an archive section?

Candour:
You should know i sang a song in jest friend

who will do the persecuting? you or image?

You should know I was refering to the bold in jest too

Image123:
Oh, there he is AGAIN. Brother, do you live here?

Image123:
i don't have a boat. Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe, Gnoni.

Image no go kill me o...

Candour:
He has come again.....he has come again.....Father he has come again......Holy Ghost he has come again...

Image, Dem send you?

You feel persecuted shey? Kpele

Image123:
talk about HITTING the NAIL on the HEAD. Are you a brother to the Son of the carpenter?

BabaGnoni:
I wonder how a light-hearted jokingly "Keep quiet there..." got turned into an opportunity for another ad hominem or slagging a third party. SMH

Light hearted huh? Story certainly for the gods.