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SalC:
https://www.nairaland.com/2012017/another-trouble-brews-christ-embassy#28290371
Gombs is this true?^^^

Why ask me? I was in IPPC, and I don't remember any session that ended at 5pm as she claimed though. Plus other loop holes. I can't remember where and LCD screen was used, abeg.... don't ask me jare. Mail the blogger.

Ranchhoddas:
lol at five-star brothel...where is Gombs and co?

Why do you summon me? Why don't you go to the Police station and confirm? What's wrong with some people sef?

I was in IPPC, and I don't remember any session that ended at 5pm as she claimed though. Plus other loop holes. I can't remember where an LCD screen was used, abeg.... don't ask me jare. Mail the blogger.

1billion naira sheey? Ok na

The Three Cardinal Gifts Of God -Monday, November 24th .

Pastor Chris

According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue (2 Peter 1:3).

There’re three cardinal gifts of God in Christ Jesus, given to us through the Gospel. These are the gift of eternal life, the gift of righteousness, and the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Romans 6:23 tells us that, “…the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Eternal life is the God-life given to you when you are born again. This life isn’t the same as the human life; it’s the very life of God. You can’t work hard enough to attain eternal life; you can’t get it by paying any price for it; it's a gift from God. Without eternal life, you won't have the same nature with God; there'll be no fellowship, and therefore no relationship.

Righteousness is also a gift. Romans 5:17 says, “…they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.” Righteousness is the nature of God that describes His rightness: It’s His nature and ability to always be right. He is never wrong; and when He imparts that nature and ability to your spirit, you can walk in consistency with His will and please Him with your life, and you can stand in His presence without a sense of condemnation, inferiority or guilt.The Holy Spirit is also God’s gift to us. The Apostle Peter said in Acts 2:38, “…Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” The Holy Spirit is God at work in us. As a Christian, you need the Holy Spirit to live victoriously in Christ. That’s why the Lord Jesus said, “...I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter…” (John 14:16).

The Holy Spirit came to help you live the Christian life because no ordinary person can live the Christian life. The Holy Spirit gives you the understanding of God’s Word, awakens you to the fatherhood of God, and reveals the will of the Father to you and through you. The Holy Spirit gives you supernatural abilities to glorify God, and boldness to make Jesus Christ known to your world.

These three gifts are very important to us as Christians, because they represent the fulfilment of God’s will and purpose in Christ Jesus. Study the Word and learn more about them.

Confession...
I thank you Lord for blessing me with the gifts of eternal life, righteousness, and the Holy Spirit. I’m conscious of these gifts at work in me; I know I can do all things, through Christ that strengthens me. Halleluiah!

Further Study:
2 Corinthians 1:21-22
21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Romans 5:17
For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

1 John 5:11-12
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Daily Scripture Reading
1-Year Bible Reading Plan: 1 Peter 3, Ezekiel 31-32
2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Jude 1:12-25, Hosea 1-2

Bidam:
Ok, Mr self righteous narrow is the way gospeller! Give it a rest. Some one mentioned thread should be closed. You don win.

Bidam:
Lol, the guy's ignorance is in gigantic proportions, he joined his unlearned folk in the Malachi thread to expose his glaringly, alarmingly bible illiteracy and he expects us to take him serious here.SMH!

I remember that alot. Heheheheheh. No mind am. They are the true gospel preachers. How tragic!

PastorKun:
Na so IPPC come and go oh!

Bobo, no vex this year own was different. Very. Ask any body who attended. I no even get time for myself. I'm taking off tomorrow morning, we shall still see bro.

Goshen360:
Keep quiet there!!! Do they need to announce to you when it's done? This thread was started to call for a designer and after they get who, they can proceed their plans without coming here and communicate outside of this thread. Why are you acting up here? You scared more people are going to be liberated from the tithe fraud or what?

I'd quote you July next year...exactly one year. If you blokes are still designing and printing, then it's gonna be a wonderful laughing session. You folks cant print tracts that has its text and design ready in 4months? Na Gucci paper una wan use print ni?

Abeg commot for road jare. Mtcheeeeèeeeeeeeeew

trustman:
Wind go soon blow and fowl yansh go ......

I am not as dishonest as you are. I have always spoken about the Anglican and Catholic Church I attended. Feed your eyes

https://www.nairaland.com/1826244/making-grace-convention-2014/2#25004707

https://www.nairaland.com/1468651/why-pastors-collect-tithes-poor/1#18666173

Now, have yourself a good night.

Candour:
Good for you that you didn't break ranks with oyaks even though your bro agrees with me that it's a wrong doctrine. I'm sure even Joagbaje will disagree with you

It's not a question of solidarity bro. Circumcision of the male foreskin has nothing to do with Christianity. Absolutely Nothing.

Bobo, was it annulled? That's all I asked.

Candour:
No, during the industrial revolution

you make me laugh with your attempts to play smart. i thought you called it a certified lie? infact incase you don't know, the fact that Jews were the main promoters made it despicable to the average European. they detested Jews and anything Jewish.

see another catholic historian gracious enough to go through catholic history with respect to circumcision

http://guggiedaly..com/2014/05/why-catholics-dont-circumcise.html

edit:@the bolded, see what you said on a thread last year




https://www.nairaland.com/1467991/anti-tithe-churches/2

like you asked me earlier, were you confused or you just tweaked the truth a little?

Born anglican, was outta church for 3 years, joined Catholic, did it few months...then I found rest. I said this not once here na,,, anglican, Catholic and then embassy. You can find the thread na.

Candour:
I'll guess it's the same reason why Mba is not too pleased Oyaks called non tithers robbers

But I did too.... you guys are robbing God. Now, don't change the tempo, in summary, are you saying circumcision was annulled together with Moses' law, in solidarity with vooks?

trustman:
Is my billions likes paining you?

Heheheheheh...pain me ke? You guys are from the same sewers of NL...from the boardroom na...I can't expect otherwise.
What intrigues me is why some folks think Abraham was an isrealite.

Candour:
''Historically, the Roman Catholic Church denounced religious circumcision for its members in the Cantate Domino, written during the 11th Council of Florence in [size=20pt]1442[/size].[46] This decision was based on the belief that baptism had superseded circumcision (Col 2:11-12),

http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/FLORENCE.HTM#5

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03777a.htm

and you said you were catholic once upon a time?

Europe during the renaissance?

No, Anglican

Goshen360:
10000000000 likes. These guys are so greatly perverting scriptures.

You've always thought Abraham was an Isrealite na

Candour:
Stop being a child my friend. I corrected that error almost immediately I posted it. Meanwhile, see the enlarged in your post, should I assume you're also confused in your haste to point out an error?

Gombs, that site talks about curcumcision practices in Europe and other places. It's not restricted to any period.

Once again, the Europeans who didnt/dont physically circumcise, are they missing out on identification with the covenant?

The above bold is a certified lie.

Besides, if they don't, I am concluding they are Christians, can you name one church in Europe, any denomination that were or are against circumcision? Don't worry, I can wait. Take your time

[quote author=trustman post=28288311][

b]Gombs and co are 'tied' to the old covenant because they must necessarily use it to justify MANY of their stand and practices today.[/b] 

Romans 4 states this about Abraham:
"10 How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised.
11 He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well,
12 and to make him the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.

This portion makes it clear that all who believe without being circumcised, have righteousness counted to them as well.

No one douted that, maybe you should step back and read where we came from. Physical and Spiritual circumcision. The matter is, has physical circumcision been annulled?

Circumcision was for all successive generations of Israel and Israel ALONE. It was a sign in the flesh to mean they identified with the covenant God made.

You can lie sha

Gen 17 MSG
God continued to Abraham, “And you: You will honor my covenant, you and your descendants, generation after generation. This is the covenant that you are to honor, the covenant that pulls in all your descendants: Circumcise every male. Circumcise by cutting off the foreskin of the pe.nis; it will be the sign of the covenant between us. Every male baby will be circumcised when he is eight days old, generation after generation—this includes house-born slaves and slaves bought from outsiders who are not blood kin.

 Make sure you circumcise both your own children and anyone brought in from the outside. That way my covenant will be cut into your body, a permanent mark of my permanent covenant. An uncircumcised male, one who has not had the foreskin of his joystick cut off, will be cut off from his people—he has broken my covenant.”

From the above bold, you saying it was Israel alone? What of the slaves? By the way, was Abraham an Israelite?

[s]Because they can't distinguish between what is for the NATION Israel and what is for the New Covenant they (Gombs and Co) lump things up.  They therefore do all they can to twist scripture to line up with their preconceived ideas. [/s]

Thrash. God made a deal with Abraham, to be replicated in ALL generation. You now came from your board room, that it was for Israel and Israel alone. Go and sit down somewhere and watch

Candour:
There are plenty on the internet if you care to explore but the below should help

www.circumcisioninformation.com/circ_world.html

Christianity has nothing to do with Christianity. Once again, see what Paul told the early Europeans who were being coerced into forced circumcision as a sign of acceptance before God

Galatians 5:6 KJV
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

That was the best you could get, a statistic before the second world war? Really? Haba bobo.

The bold is shocking, mare you this confused? How many times will I write to you that physical circumcision was your way of identifying with the covenant, but it was no way a keans of making one righteous?

vooks:
Does circumcision avail ANYTHING in a Christian?

I thought I and mba has answered this?

vooks:
Do Christians NEED circumcision to identify with Abraham's covenant?

Stop being redundant. I have answered this na, and I won't any further than I did.

Candour:
Fine and correct. The covenant with Abraham was sealed with the token of circumcision. So let me rephrase it. The token of circumcision of the foreskin which God required of Abraham and which Israel prided themselves in is absolutely useless to Christianity

Galatians 5:6 KJV
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Not Exactly. It did not make us right before God, but it was a sign of the covenant, it was for all generations. It was a sign in the flesh to mean you identify with that covenant. You must have also missed what I wrote

See what Paul was teaching. 
Physical circumcision was a sign of Israel’s covenant with God; it was to be for all generation.

Circumcision of the heart, therefore, would indicate Israel’s being set apart to love God fully, inside and out. Simple. It was a prophecy Deuteronomy 30:6. Paul taught it in Romans 2:29... in summary, he said It refers to having a pure heart, separated unto God.

vooks:
Thank you for your counsel. I hope and pray you have better tongues and wisdom than me and you won't hesitate to share the nuggets you download from your crater closet. Once again, thank you for your wise counsel.

Are you saying that Christians are ONLY admitted to Abrahamic covenant/blessings by physical male circumcision?

Paul is discussing the role of the Old Testament Law as it relates to Christianity. He argues that Jewish circumcision is only an outward sign of being set apart to God. However, if the heart is sinful, then physical circumcision is of no avail. A circumcised body and a sinful heart are at odds with each other. Rather than focus on external rites, Paul focuses on the condition of the heart. 

Using circumcision as a metaphor, he says that only the Holy Spirit can purify a heart and set us apart to God. Ultimately, circumcision cannot make a person right with God; the Law is not enough. A person’s heart must change. Paul calls this change “circumcision of the heart.

You must have missed this. Read slowly please. The colored is what I am saying in summary. Go back and see what I wtore about physical circumcision and circumcision of the heart.

Vooks, go and sleep please. Circumcision was not annulled, if it were, the covenant will be ineffective too. Your theory that all pre mosaic acts were anulled are only a figment of your wild imagination. Thanks.

Candour:
The covenant of circumcision God made with Abraham has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. Hear Paul

Galatians 5:6 KJV
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

In Christ, the physical circumcision which God ordered of Abraham and which Israel prided themselves in is totally useless in Christ.

What is subsisting is the promise God made to Abraham when he called him which was re-echoed in Galatians 3.

There was nothing like covenant of circumcision. Thanks

vooks:
Why would the same Paul teach that circumcision avails NOTHING?
Have you ever read Acts 15? Circumcision is a BURDEN the Holy Spirit deemed UNNECESSARY to lay on the Gentiles

Acts 15:28-29 (ESV)
28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

Bobo, I think you should go speak in other tongues. You need wisdom. A Ship load of it.

Paul is discussing the role of the Old Testament Law as it relates to Christianity. He argues that Jewish circumcision is only an outward sign of being set apart to God. However, if the heart is sinful, then physical circumcision is of no avail. A circumcised body and a sinful heart are at odds with each other. Rather than focus on external rites, Paul focuses on the condition of the heart.

Using circumcision as a metaphor, he says that only the Holy Spirit can purify a heart and set us apart to God. Ultimately, circumcision cannot make a person right with God; the Law is not enough. A person’s heart must change. Paul calls this change “circumcision of the heart.

This means either the Abrahamic covenant of which circumcision is a token is not for the Gentiles OR they can access the same without necessarily undergoing circumcision

Gen 17 MSG
God continued to Abraham, “And you: You will honor my covenant, you and your descendants, generation after generation. This is the covenant that you are to honor, the covenant that pulls in all your descendants: Circumcise every male. Circumcise by cutting off the foreskin of the pe.nis; it will be the sign of the covenant between us. 

Every male baby will be circumcised when he is eight days old, generation after generation—this includes house-born slaves and slaves bought from outsiders who are not blood kin. [b]Make sure you circumcise both your own children and anyone brought in from the outside. [/b]That way my covenant will be cut into your body, a permanent mark of my permanent covenant. An uncircumcised male, one who has not had the foreskin of his joystick cut off, will be cut off from his people—he has broken my covenant.”

The underlined are the Gentiles. You are a gentile, so am I.... ever wonder how we became part of that Covenant?

Bidam:
I wholeheartedly agree with you on this bro. The Abrahamic covenant was never annulled to start with. The Abrahamic covenant is foundational to all of Scripture. It is the key to both the Old and New Testaments and is foundational to the whole program of redemption. All subsequent revelation is the outworking of this covenant. This covenant, and the subsequent covenant framework, is the key to understanding Scripture. I guess the antitihers would read legalistically into any scripture they perceive tithe is mentioned. Good job bro..

No mind them... they claim the seal of the covenant is annulled, does that not mean the covenant itself was annulled too consequentially?

Goshen360:
Did he say circumcision IS THE covenant or A SIGN?

If the sign of the covenant was annulled, the covenant would be effectively annulled too, no be so? That was why Paul used thus here. If circumcision is annulled, what then is the sign of the covenant? Care to answer?

The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and [size=20pt]thus[/size] do away with the promise.

Goshen360:
I never doubt your great ability to twist scriptures.

A subtle way to hide your head in shame.. thanks for the compliment.

vooks:
Galatians 3:18 says the LAW did not annul the promise God gave to Abraham. This is highly irrelevant to the subject of this debate namely pre-Mosaic practices such as tithing,circumcision,animal sacrifices incorporated into the Law were annulled TOGETHER with the Law.

There is ONLY one reason why nobody offers animal sacrifices which predate Moses in Christendomand is not because Christ sacrifice suffices. Christ sacrifice dealt away with SIN OFFERINGS (read Hebrews 9-10). It is because they were annulled together with the Law. Whatever 'principles' are to be had in these practices is realized by other means without the sacrifices. Pauline formula of giving without compulsion is certainly derived from these.

Circumcision was a token of the covenant, the covenant/promise was to make Abraham the father of many nations and of many descendants and give "the whole land of Canaan" to his descendants.[Gen 17:2-9].

But you lied here. You said circumcision was annulled with the law, which in consequence means the covenant must have been annulled since it was the mark of the covenant you erroneously concluded was anulled. This is what bro Paul wrote, I believe him, not what you think or feel

The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.

Notice the word THUS. The latter part was the consequence of annulment of circumcision which was a mark of the covenant.

Candour:
See the covenant of circumcision God made with Abraham. Note the bolded portions

Genesis 17:10-14 KJV
This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. [11] And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. [12] And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. [13] He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. [14] And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Is that the same covenant you're under today? Is that the same covenant Paul was promoting in Galatians?

Bobo, answer me in plain terms...was the covenant annulled?

Read my post to Goshen for further instructions. Thanks

Goshen360:
So tell us, is circumcision part of the covenant that was established? Is that what Paul was teaching?

[KJV] Genesis 17:2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

[KJV] Genesis 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.


Self explanatory bro.

First, we must find out what the covenant itself is

https://www.nairaland.com/1957135/midas-touch-balanced-approach-biblical/82#28272006

and it entails and we can determine if circumcision is the covenant or part of the covenant. Then we can understand what Paul was teaching.

See what Paul was teaching.
Physical circumcision was a sign of Israel’s covenant with God; it was to be for all generation. Circumcision of the heart, therefore, would indicate Israel’s being set apart to love God fully, inside and out. Simple. It was a prophecy Deuteronomy 30:6. Paul taught it in Romans 2:29... in summary, he said It refers to having a pure heart, separated unto God.

Go study.

vooks:
I have answered your question.
ALL preMosaic practices, circumcision,animal sacrifices,tithing... that were included in Moses were effectively annulled when Moses was annulled. So you can't revive any of those by claiming they are somewhat 'eternal' and that only their 'regulation' was annulled

Am circumcised sir. African way none the less. By the river without shedding no tear., no flinching.But I did that to fulfil my culture not because Abraham was told to go after foreskins

Galatians 3:18 did not agree with you. Thanks.

Goshen360:
[s]
1. You're about to twist what was anulled in the NT. I hope you can stand to this.

New International Version
In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ,

New Living Translation
When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature.

2. Maybe you need to understand what happened in the covenant of God NOT with Abraham BUT with Himself (a foreshadow of the New Covenant), BUT Abraham was a beneficiary just as Christians are beneficiaries to the New Covenant. So you will understand why Paul made a statement such as, [/s]

New International Version

What I mean is this: [size=20pt] The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.[/size] For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

Galatians 3:18

This scripture is what I wanted to use and nail Vooks to the cross of ignorance, should he have answered boldly like he implied that the pre mosaic acts were incorporated into the Mosaic law and anulled. He said pre mosaic covenant like Circumcision were annulled. I now asked whether God anulled the covenant, he kept going round circles. Paul thought otherwise, so did I.