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ajayikayod: Is it not on Matt 23:23?
I hav already answered u in d post u quoted from. Its here again.

On Matt 23:23; Someone already told u wat d weightier things of d Law were as said by Jesus. But do u actually think those are d same as in d Law of d Spirit? Do u think the weightier thing (love) as given in d Law of Moses is d same as given by d Spirit of life? See wat d Law says about love:

Matt 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. (Ds is wat d Law called Love)

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. (Ds is wat d Spirit calls Love).

How is d above d same message, law, instructions, commandments? How? How is Moses (moral law) as u called it d same as Christ Law. How?

At d end of d tunnel of Moses thr resides d Light, d Spirit and God. Until we reach such end we mit not b able to differentiate btw d Spirit and Moses.

the weightier matters of the law Jesus was talking about, do they still apply to you today or is it discarded?

Seems u have a problem with answering simple direct kweshun...

Lordlexyy: @Goshen. I will be disappointed if you are a christian. Your comments so far suggest your hatred against the objective of this crusade. The most important thing above every other thing is the fact that, the gospel is coming to a nation known for idolatory. You focus more on the monetary part neglecting the weightier matter which is soul winning. When women contribute to encourage Christ's ministry, do you call it, exploit? No real child of God, Spirit filled will ever raised any objection to this mission that is aim at bringing salvation to the nation. Many atimes, what you don't pay for, you don't value.

Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my father in heaven

ajayikayod: If u tell me dt Luk 4:15 doesnt apply to us again, is it not also d word of Jesus? As u described, we ar to carry out every word from d Master. How will those b done away wit and others remain. I think from ur explanations all should remain. 2 Corith 3 never categorize Law, it called it one name: Moses. And he said its Law of condemnation, sin and death.

If u believ Christ supported tithing, isnt it clear here dt he supported animal sacrifice too?I won t agree wit u neglectin a part of it in d name of it was done away wit. The truth is, two laws cant exist side by side. Thr is a law of sin and death in Moses and a law of Spirit of life in Christ. Its not a modification, or upgrade, its a total annulment of old for d new. It amazed me why we still see d Law of d Spirit side by side wit d Moses, They dont even resemble each other. In applications, effects, consequence, judgment etc. Do u compare all ds to kno d difference? Mayb u should.

Also, can u tell me, of wat Law do u live by? Law of d Spirit or Law of Moses?

On Matt 23:23; Someone already told u wat d weightier things of d Law were as said by Jesus. But do u actually think those are d same as in d Law of d Spirit? Do u think the weightier thing (love) as given in d Law of Moses is d same as given by d Spirit of life? See wat d Law says about love:

Matt 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. (Ds is wat d Law called Love)

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. (Ds is wat d Spirit calls Love).

How is d above d same message, law, instructions, commandments? How? How is Moses (moral law) as u called it d same as Christ Law. How?

At d end of d tunnel of Moses thr resides d Light, d Spirit and God. Until we reach such end we mit not b able to differentiate btw d Spirit and Moses.

.. let mie ask you, in matt 23v 23, the weightier matters of the law Jesus was talking about, do they still apply to you today or is it discarded?If u can't answer any, pls answer my last question. Thank you

Pls answer me first

Zikky said in matt 23, the weithier part of the law, Jesus was speaking to the Christians, and the tithe part was to the Jews. I asked him, but the apostles were first called Christians at antioch...he just neglect the kweshun, in guisemof he wants to stay on topic....

Ajayikoyode, , what sayeth thou?...do u concur with Zikky?

ajayikayod: Bro, d dividing line btw d audience of Christ words are so thin but clear by d Spirit. U definitely cant tell me dt all Jesus account in Matt-John still applies to us today. In sincerity will u say because Jesus said to a Jew, do ds, dt means we should all b doing it? No. We need to search to know how dt applies to a New Creation. If u agree dt all Jesus said is for us then wat about ds he said:

Lu 5:14 And he charged him to tell no man: but go, and shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing, according as Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

If u agreed Jesus supported Tithing, u should agree he supported ds also, in fact according to Moses commandment:

Lev 14: 4 Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop: {birds: or, sparrows}
5 And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water:

Bro, do u still do ds And pls dont come up wit Jesus has saved us from soooo and soooo. Lets apply across board lik u informed.

Jesus said...u are purified by the words is speak to you... John 15v3....who was he addressing?

You dare say some of Jesus' sayings are done away with, as in, they no longer apply to us..even when he said the words that He speaks to us ARE (not will be or were) SPIRIT and LIFE ...how then did you conclude some of his words no longer apply to us?

Bidam asked Zikky a kweshun he couldn't answer, I would ask u same in the same light as you folks think Jesus hadntwo audiences at the time CHRISTIANS and JEWS
From the above bold consider this Scripture

John 3v3
KJV:Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Was Jesus addressing a Jew or the whole world? Does this apply to a Jew today?

As for the scripture in Luke u quoted, let's see the NLT

:Then Jesus instructed him not to tell anyone what had happened. He said, “Go to the priest and let him examine you. Take along the offering required in the law of Moses for those who have been healed of leprosy. This will be a public testimony that you have been cleansed.

Can't you see? We are back to the types of category in the law... drummerboy said there are no such categories... are you of such ideology? What I and op are saying is, the moral and ethical parts of the law are eternal, example of such was in matt 23v23... let me ask you, in matt 23v 23, the weightier matters of the law Jesus was talking about, do they still apply to you today or is it discarded?

If u can't answer any, pls answer my last question. Thank you

Bidam: Is nairaland your church? Olodo..

*Falls off palm wine tree laughing sha

Bidam: If you are on a fault finding mission in the body of Christ..Good luck but i do not wish you God's speed.

Gbam

Improve Your Word-bank! · Monday, January 6th · 

Pastor Anita

My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings. Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart; for they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh (Proverbs 4:20-22).

Your greatest desire should be to know God more, through His Word, for that’s where the glory is. With God’s Word, you can be anything and everything you want to be, have anything you desire to have, and be able to do anything you set your heart to achieve. Be passionate about the Word; constantly inundate your spirit with the knowledge of God’s Word.

When the Word dwells richly in your spirit, it’ll be evident in your life; you’ll speak the Word and not fear, lack, weakness, sickness or failure. Your profiting through the Word, will be evident to all (1 Timothy 4:15).

God’s Word is what you need to build your life, to teach, reprove, correct, and instruct you in the God-life. Get the right materials that’ll help you grow spiritually. Digest them into your spirit. Constant meditation on the Word will cause faith to rise in your spirit and give you the mind-set of a victor.

Sometimes, as you speak forth God’s Word, you may literally feel success, victory, and dominion welling up in your spirit. That’s because they are inherent in your spirit. As you speak forth God’s Word, you ascend to the realm of glory; the realm of endless possibilities. Suddenly, you discover that truly, you’ve overcome all things; the whole world becomes small to you. Keep talking the Word, and the glory of God will keep rising in your spirit, because the glory is in the Word.

You can only live to your best potentials through your knowledge and application of the Word of God. You’d record successes and victories, and have absolute mastery in life if you consciously take the time to improve your Word-bank by studying and meditating on the Word.

Confession...
The Word of God is my life, and I’m experiencing increased glory as I speak the Word over my life today! I declare that I’m growing in the knowledge of God’s Word, and the revelation of His love, and my life is the testimony of His grace and goodness! I experience peace, progress, increase, success, and prosperity today, in the Name of Jesus. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: James 1:22-25; Joshua 1:8

Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : Matthew 5:21-48 Genesis 15-17
2 Year Reading Plan : Acts 7:22-32 Nehemiah 10

Umm, , guys u can fast and pray for the program, for God’s ordained impact be felt in the nation of India. I'm so glad Benny Hinn is gonna be in India again, , last time he was there was like 2005 and he had 7 million attendees. (Not completely sure of the figures). But with this prayer conference, , I'm sure Ministers in India would catch the fire from Benny Hinn and Chris Oyakhilome.

Awesome
# Glooooooooooooooooray

Goshen360: Your deception is noted. Hold lemme pull it out!

Ok fine, we agree, they are merchandising the gospel...thanks for pointing that out. Your opinion is noted. Thanks for stopping by

Goshen360: Stop this your ranting and address what I queried. On what scriptural ground do ministers have to charge registration\reservation for seat FEES for Christians BEFORE they can attend A PRAYER CONFERENCE?

U must be blind or dyslexic or both.....uv been answered above

Goshen360: You mean Paul was a robber? I thought you have once enrolled in the concordance class. What happened to you?

Besides, how does Paul issue correlate with registration fees for Christian conferences or for seat reservation? I'll like to be your student in this aspect.

Where did he call Paul a robber?
2 Corinthians 11v8

It turns out that the other churches paid my way so that you could have a free ride. 

New Living Translation
I "robbed" other churches by accepting their [size=32pt] contributions so I could serve you at no cost.[/size]


Like bidam asked, what did you think Paul meant? Of course Paul knew spreading the gospel was expensive. The above bold means free of charge, meaning it could have been charged for.

Instead of u to be happy the word and gospel is going to India, u are here castigating. And u think that u are wiser that God to know they are actually merchandising the gospel. It is not compulsory, those who'd wanna be there are not complaining, but you dey here dey drink panadol for another man headache.

Those who go to seminary school pay monies, why didn't you call it merchandising the gospel?
Those who go for Bible seminar/school, why didn't you call it merchandising?

I wonder if you are actually born again and spirit filled. U would want it to be that every man attending the conference should buy their foods themselves, what about resource materials and what about the cost of running the conference. Even at that, you'd still say it was badly organized. I don't know why you think those pastors are out there in India to make monies...

Luke 6v45
New International Version
A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.

You have evil in ur heart!
U didn't rejoice for the work going on in India, u are here bothered about the money to be spent!

Zikkyy: Thats is your view. This thread is about relevance of the mosaic law, it is not about the bit in Jesus comments meant only for the jews amd those meant for Christians. When I engage in a topic, I stay on topic, I don't allow myself to be distracted. I see it as an escape route for the other fellow.

Just go and sleep

Zikkyy: I always knew you are way smarter than most law lovers around here. This is what I expect you to preach; the lessons learnt. Matthews 23:23 was never encouraging or instructing Christians to tithe, it was about using an illustration/referring to a behavioural trait the pharisees will understand cos it something they do. Just pray that image123 will be reading ya post above. Once again, I say thank you

You no go answer bidam kweshun, abi?

zig2ryme04: one of the mixed multitude... You are not part of us and God will deal with you personally except you repent.

Exactly...he forgot its a Christian leader conference, hence not for everybody... and that monies would be needed for organisation, payment of staff n other workers and also, materials to be used like books, wi-fi, maybe cost for running the generator, meals etc

He sees it as merchandising the gospel...cos he knows nothing about ministry, if he did, he'd know the gospel is expensive to push out to others

Goshen360: Tell our Christian leaders to stop making merchandise of the gospel in the name of "prayer conference".

Cash registrations, this conference is not a free public program. ...Why do you take it to the public then? Why must "conference PRAYER" be paid to register to participate? If you can't organize free program, is it by force you must organize one?

Your opinion is duly noted, thanks for stopping by.

FOOL FINDER: Not to sound like the wet blanket but come on everybody here knows not everybody in India will accept the gospel as there is no place in the world where the gospel is accepted 100% not even in Israel. China next? Keep telling yourself that.

With my God, ALL things are possible

Zikkyy: this is not he objective of this thread. It's not in my nature to lose focus.

It is o... I understand why u can't say it....tis simply because one would need another lie to support a lie...

Cheers

Alwaystrue: @Gombs,
Jesus words were not directed to a people because of who they were but because of what they did. Is it not obvious?
Anyone who strains at little things and allows a bigger sin pass is a hypocrite. He does not need the pharisee tag.
Anyone who shows outward piety but his inside is full of all kinds of evil thoughts, intentions, vices, the person has a woe hanging on his head, it is not about being a pharisee.
May the veil be removed from the eyes of those who believe Christ was speaking to a certain sect because of who they were not because of what they did wrong.

Jesus was simply bringing to light the motives of their heart, per scripture, not focusing on their outward show of goodness .

Gbam.... simple and short and clear

Zikkyy: why you dey ask? Do you read me saying all communications with pharisees were meant for only jewish audience

A yes or No to bidam's kweshun would be just fine

Zikkyy: one problem you have is to assume you know too much. Do you read me saying "all" other things? I provided an example, that is not to say that was the only thing directed at the jews. Always request for clarification so you don't end up making false accusations.

What other thing was directed to the jews? Were there Christians at the time Jesus was still teaching and preaching? If no, how then did u conclude he was referring to Jews (the tithe part) and some other parts to 'Christians'?

Bidam: So when Jesus told a nicodemus pharisee to be born again..was that meant for ONLY jewish audience

Good kweshun...zikky, oya answer

Alwaystrue: When Jesus was speaking in the bible, telling us that he that lust after a woman commits adultery, and he that hates his brother is more or less killing him, what Laws are those? Are they of the Spirit or of the Letter.
When we fulfil the laws Christ gave us with examples I stated above, is the law of the 'do not commit adultery' or 'do not kill' broken or fulfilled?

My sister, follow me ask o

When Jesus spoke about the weighthier aspects of the Law in Matthew 23:23 that is love, faith, mercy, were these laws of the Spirit or of the letter?

They won't answer u this...

Whatever answer you have to those questions, will make go a long way in understanding my post.
The law of sin and death tried to make a man righteous from outside in which did not work. Christ came to work on the inner man bringing righteousness from the inside out. Jesus words cleanse. That is why it is shocking for purported Christians who claim Christ word's are not directed to them. They just shown they don't know what they believe at all.

From the above, I was about asking same...zikky said the words of Jesus are completely true, but some of what Jesus said were not directed to him...they forget that Jesus came to bring life, and ALL he ever said pointed to that fact...but these folks choose to chooose deception over the Bible. Just as u said...they don't know what they believe at all

Jesus Christ is the foundation, we should take heed what type of material we build on Christ. Every single thing Christ said is Truth!

For your information, there is still a ministration of death even in the NT. (2 Cor. 2:15-16). And the law of sin and death still applies to those who do not walk after the Spirit....Galatians 5:18

Tells them o....ppls tell them

Zikkyy: of course. Even though some of the things he said were actually meant for the jews and not for Christians (e.g. the need to tithe in matthew 23:23), it does not change the fact that every single thing Christ said is truth

all other things Jesus said "was for 'Christians' " but the tithe part was for Jews.... so, Jesus had two audiences he was addressing at the time...even though the apostles were first called Christians in antioch!....fascinating.

Una dey try o

DrummaBoy: Pleasse don't insult my intelligence. Don't ever in your whole life compare Rhaphsody of Realities with Paul's epistles. Don't ever try it again. Paul started every epistle he wrote with the stamp of his apostolic office; how dare you compare him Chris Oyakhilome!

There is only one thing I want to hear from you law advocates and that is this "Paul was not an inspired author of scriptures" and I will be done with you on this forum. But as long as you do not have the boldiness to say that and you keep going round in circles, with some comparing Paul with Chris, then we will continue to forbear with you.

Na fight? He made an exmple, not a comparison....na wa for you o!
Point out where he compared them...he asked
[size=16pt] Can I call rhapsody by pastor chris scripture today? [/size] not [size=16pt] I can call rhapsody by pastor chris today's Scripture [/size] and in regards the circulation part he used JUST AS not EXACTLY LIKE... even if he did use 'exactly like' it is because ROR is largely circulated, not because it is a scripture...

you needn't act rabid, with threats and unprovoked aggression, just to prove ur point.. u amaze me in bizarre ways

Exactly...india would never remain the same...it will burn with the fire of the Holy Spirit.

Imagine if india with a population of 700 million people (I'm surs it should be more), if they get this gospel...imagine the impact it would have in Asia!....Next is China... the church is marching on....Hallelujah
# Glooooooooooooooooray

Arinze4eva: A Christian prayer conference in India! and with pastor Chris in it, strangest thing I've seen this year

Why's that?

Bidam: Yeah i just don't start lying against someone:.What do i stand to gain sef? Thank God Image confirmed it.At the mouth of Two or three witnesses a word is established. You can check the 18 or last page the first tithe thread he opened inviting mark, candour and co to see whether he edited his post when he invited Rude to a new thread in order to convert him

I'd check

DrummaBoy: When you get a laptop, you can bring up the post where you said I said "atheist are better and closer to God than tithers". We can wait...

When I read that Bidam post this afternoon after returning from church, I had to read that thread all over again and I am sure I didn't say anything like that. How could I? I tithed fro 15 years was I worse than an atheist? My wife still tithes or at least still gave a tenth of her salary until November last year when she began to give what I have been saying some attention, was she worse than an atheist? I got to a church where you must tithe to be a member of the church are they all worse than atheist?

I could explain further what I meant by the statements I made but I wait for Bidam to quote me; don't worry, I am a man of utmost integrity, I have not edited those posts. The way I wrote them is the way I have left them.

@Gombs

I will attend to Jo' post soon enough.

Alright bro!

Bidam: Actually i am on phone and not able to provide the links..Even right now i am still in church..Sorry that i did not provide the link earlier cos am handicapped.Drumma as a fraudster,cheat and a liar must have edited his post since nobody quoted him, when he made those ridiculous statements.You can see he denied the allegations.Well let God be the judge of this matter.

I will check out the tithe threads he opened and made those funny remarks as soon as i get on my lappy..am busy at the moment.

Ok.... o....but from the romantic gesture of atheists and anti tithers, and for image 123 to point it out, I tire sef, wish the links were present, if he edited it, we'd still know....I just hope image123 wud breeze in and say what triggered his post

Thank you drummaboy for ur apt reply, more so for it being definite and precise, Bidam over to you..

Drummaboy, we bring up past issues about a person because, one's integrity matters. This is religion section, one wrong post from you can have ripple effects. Goshen for example, he's falsely accused I and joe, and now bidam... and cannot apologise for it, neither could he put up a defence like u did. How would you want us to take him serious with questionable integrity and character. If Alwaystrue asked goshen abt his stance on fornication tht happened on another thread, twas because she find his response questionable, and she could hence find communication/fellowship with him difficult. Won't it then be sensible to confront him with those issues?

Meanwhile, u haven't said anything with regards @joagbaje's post...I await