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I've been following this thread, and my honest thoughts are that the fellow should stop talking about his problems and rather, talk to the problem.

Also, I see the op is selfish and idle minded, not because of he means so, but because he is doing so unconsciously. When he said he wanted to commit suicide just because of the reasons he stated, I wanted to type

"Hey bro, please walk into any hospital, and see folks begging for life, loved ones doing all they could to sustain the life of a friend or relative. Walk into the ghettos of the city and see kids who hve no parents and have no one to love them, go to the prisons nd see people who'd give anything for chance to start life all over...if folks don't love you, think like david... David said "The Lord is my shepherd, I SHALL NOT WANT FOR ANYTHING".. he said this not because he ws king, for he was a shepherd boy, at 17. Pls op, think like David...look up to God in faith, he'd never forget u, believe"

But I didn't cos I thought he was joking... however, im glad u didn't kill yourself
God bles u op!..to start with, get busy, start something, else u'd keep considering the devils opinions

Bidam: Yeah wonderful submissoin by Oga Jo...as for drumma you don't need to bother about him.. he was the one that made a ridiculous statement in a thread about an atheist being closer to God than a chrisitian who tithe . I had lost every iota of respect i had for him when he made that statement.

He even went ahead to ridicule himself the more by opening a thread for the said atheist thinking he could convert him Because of him the atheist blasphemed the name of God..You need to check out that thread.It was a show of shame really

At the first bold, I can't believe anybody who calls himself a Christian could say that...drummerboy, did u really say that? Even when bible said we should be good to everyone ESPECIALLY those of the household Of faith?

@bidam, i knew atheists and anti tithers had a romance few months back, they were both attacking on tithers, but I can't believe it degenerated to this extent.

At second bold, pls bidam if u could fetc me those links, I'd be very glad. Drummerboy, what sayeth thou on th above? Was it true u actually said that?

@Joagbaje, uv closed the thread...what more shd/could I say?

If folks still don't get the abov explanation, then, well....we'd keep praying for such fellow!

Goshen, apologise, cos its clear we are gonna ignore ur posts on this thread, till u openly admit u wronged us or apologise.


@drummaboy, pls I'd like to know what you think of what @joagbaje wrote above. Thank you

Sharers Of His Life · Sunday, January 5th · 

Pastor Chris

The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread (1 Corinthians 10:16-17).

The statement in the sixteenth verse of our opening text isn’t in effect a question, but the Apostle Paul’s peculiar style of communicating the subject, because the answer is obvious. First, it says, "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ?" Emphatically yes; it’s the communion of the blood of Christ. Secondly, "The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?" Yes it is! This means when we partake of that cup, we’re partaking of His blood, and His blood represents His life. We’re therefore sharers of His life.

Jesus brought us into a kingdom of life. He said in John 14:6, "…I am the way, the truth, and the life…." In His benevolence, He didn’t just make us partakers of His life, but also the dispensers of that life: we bring others into this life through the Gospel! We live, exude and distribute the God-life, because we have it to the full (John 10:10). For us, sickness, failure, and all other forms of negativities have no place in us because we’re comrades of the God-kind.

Let these thoughts fill your mind as you partake of the Holy Communion. Jesus said to do this in remembrance of Him; when we take the Holy Communion, we celebrate His life in us and remind ourselves of who we are in Him, and the glorious benefits and blessings of His vicarious death on our behalf. He died that we might live, and now we’re alive to God—and He’s alive in us.

When you face challenges or difficult situations and decide to break bread, it’s a bold confession of victory! You’re saying, "Everything is going to be all right, because greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world." Christ has given you the dominion and the advantage in life; He has put you in the place of victory and nothing can take you out of it. Think on these things when you take the Holy Communion.

Prayer...

Dear Father, I thank you for the body of Christ that was broken for me, and for His blood that was shed for my justification, health, and victory. I rejoice today in His resurrection that has brought me life. As He is, so am I in this world! Halleluiah.f u r t h e r s t u d y: John 10:10; 2 Peter 1:4; 1 John 5:11-12

Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : Matthew 5:1-20 Genesis 12-14
2 Year Reading Plan : Acts 7:12-21 Nehemiah 9

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Haters gon hate anyway!

Drummerboy, my problem with you is that you can't keep ur post short and precise... now, u want me to read the above?...I stopped halfway...and u still going round circles.

Believe it or not, the point of this thread is to show that the law is good, and the principles of God in those laws are eternal...the law is not completely abolished as most folks think... its major fault is that it couldn't make anyone perfect/righteous... no one is denying the works of grace, but to say the law is completely abolished is laughable

@goshen, apologise for ur errors...and let's move on

Bidam: @Gosh..lying has become your ministry this new year..Please could you quote where i said a christian is justified by the law as a means of obtaining righteousness?

If you can't quote where i said that then you forever remain a liar on this forum.

He still owes I and @joagbaje an apology for saying we are same entity...Goshen, prove bidam wrong now or forever lose credibility

Joagbaje: It's a shame and it's pity don't mean the same thing . Both may not be necessary especially without a provocation

Duly noted....
Drummaboy, please accept my unreserved apology...future reoccurrence of my faux pas is an impossibility. Thanks in anticipation

Different Levels Of Truth · Saturday, January 4th ·

Pastor Chris

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also (Genesis 1:16).

We read in our opening verse that God made two great lights, the "greater light" to rule the day and the "lesser light" to rule the night. "Light," in the Scriptures, symbolizes "truth." Just as there’re different kinds of light, there’re also different kinds of truths revealed to us in Scriptures, and they don’t rank equally; there’re lesser truths and greater truths.

For example, when we say, "God is going to heal you today." As much as that’s a truth, it’s a lesser truth. It’s wonderful to know that no matter the ailment, you can receive healing, but God’s best for you is divine health. As you mature in the things of the Spirit, you move from asking for healing to living in divine health.

Deliverance is also a great truth, but living in divine protection is a greater truth. All through the ministry of Jesus, He never needed to be "set free" or "delivered" from the devil or any trouble. There’s something greater and better than deliverance: it’s living above and victorious always. Put the Word to work in your life, for the Word is the true light (John 1:9, 17:17). Measure your life’s experiences with the greater truths of God’s Word. It’s your responsibility to appropriate that which has already been consummated for you in Christ Jesus, and live the higher life to which you’ve been called.

Confession..
I’m perfected in Christ through the enlightenment and understanding granted me by the Spirit to know and live by the greater truths of God’s Word. I’m confident that I’ll consistently make progress and walk in victory, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: Hebrews 5:13; Ephesians 4:14; Acts 17:30

Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : Matthew 4 Genesis 9-11
2 Year Reading Plan : Acts 7:1-11 Nehemiah 7-8

Lordlexyy: Thanks Gombs and a glorious new year. I was wondering if it will be convenient for you to post those messages of the 31st night in its writen format? Thanks.

[size=16pt] 1.0 INTRODUCTION & WORSHIP [/size]

Praise The Lord Pastor starts singing
"How great thou art."

VERSE 01
O Lord my God, When I in awesome wonder,
Consider all the worlds Thy Hands have made;
I see the stars, I hear the rolling thunder,
Thy power throughout the universe displayed. 

CHORUS
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, How great Thou art.
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, How great Thou art!

 VERSE 02
When through the woods, and forest glades I wander,
And hear the birds sing sweetly in the trees.
When I look down, from lofty mountain grandeur
And see the brook, and feel the gentle breeze.

 CHORUS
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, How great Thou art.
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, How great Thou art! 

VERSE 03
And when I think, that God, His Son not sparing;
Sent Him to die, I scarce can take it in;
That on the Cross, my burden gladly bearing,
He bled and died to take away my sin. 

CHORUS
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, How great Thou art.
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, How great Thou art!

 VERSE 04
When Christ shall come, with shout of acclamation,
And take me home, what joy shall fill my heart.
Then I shall bow, in humble adoration,
And then proclaim: "My God, how great Thou art!" 

CHORUS
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, How great Thou art.
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, How great Thou art! 

[size=16pt] 2.0 THANKSGIVING SEGMENT [/size]

Hallelujah, at this time, I would like the pastor to join me in a special Thanksgiving segment. This is a very special, I like to do a special thanksgiving service on the 31st of Decemeber like this,I like to give a special offering to God at this time. Join me tonight and take that special seed. 

Then Pastor starts singing as the pastors join him on the altar

Great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised,
In the city of our God,In the mountain of His holiness.
Beautiful in elevation, the joy of the whole earth,
Is Mount Zion, on the sides of the north,
The city of the great King.
Is Mount Zion, on the sides of the north,
The city of the great King

 Praise The Lord. Those of you who would also like to give your special seed, please give the time of offering, we will let you know how to do it even if you might be watching from home.

  [size=16pt] 2.1 PRAYER OF THANKSGIVING [/size]

Father, in the name of The Lord Jesus.We thank you for your love, for your kindness.
We thank you for the year 2013, it was a year of Favour like you said.
It was Favour from every side . Thank you for the opportunity to minister and preach the gospel for you.
Thank you for the honourJust to use your name. Thy is the kingdom, the power and the glory.
We are only giving from what you gave us. This is our expression to you, our token of appreciation.
Thank you for lifting our visions, for giving us purpose. Thank you for giving us courage.
Thank you father for it was a great year, in the name of Jesus, and everybody says Amen. 

Pastor starts singing: He is the king of kingsHe is The Lord of lordsHis name is Jesus Jesus Jesus

[size=16pt] 3.0 RHAPSDOY OF REALITIES 2013 IMPACT [/size]

Hallelujah.I just want to show you a video clip, we just want to show you the impact that we made in this year just from one section of the ministry. Lets pick a part from our messenger angel, by the way, have you noticed that the angel is the messenger? The rhapsody of realities is now the number 1 daily devotional. We thank God for giving us this oopportunity to do this. This year we have achieved our goal; of reaching every nation of the world with Rhapsody of Realities. May all the nations and families be blessed through us, the seed of Abraham. I would like to thank all our pastors coordinators, translators all around the world. Thank you for working with the rhapsody of Realities. When you listen the testimonies, tears just come running down. Looking at the impact it has been on the pastors, students, prisoners etc. Thank you all for making that possible. Now I want to call for a special number by Evangelist Kathy and Chris Shalom (the man with a golden voice). 

[size=16pt]4.0 SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT [/size]

We have the international music concert available on a DVD. It's also available of Pastor Chris online Ditigal app.You have to understand that Where we are now is the biggest stage available at this moment, we are connected to the whole world for this point. So any ministration here is beamed all round the world. 

[size=16pt]5.0 PRAYER SESSION IN PREPARATION TO 2014[/size]

Wherever you are, get in prayer, we are about to move into another year,so I want you to take this time to pray. Pastor asks the whole congregation including the people connected from all over around the world to engage in prayer as their prepare to enter into the new year, 2014.

 Thank you father for the year 2013 and all the blessings that we received. Thank you for bringing us into a new year. WELCOME TO 2014, HAPPY NEW YEAR. Welcome someone to this new year.Glory to God. 

[size=16pt] 6.0 FUTURE AFRICA AWARD [/size]

Praise The Lord.It's a very special year, 2014 is Avery special year. Iam going to be sharing with you in a few minutes what the message of the year is and the direction he wants us to go.

 As we are getting ready for that, I want to talk about one area we need to focus on in Africa. Mind you, I am not saying nothing has been done, we just have to put our minds to the future of Africa. It's important for me to guide our thinking. To direct us which way to go. The future of Africa is important not only to Afirca but for the whole world. You cannot be thinking of Africa without thinking of children and young people.

 Tonight I want to call for the most inspiring leadership in Africa; whether it be in politics/ business.We have to create anew qualitative curriculum that can lead people to become successful.we need our children to really learn in such a way that they don't just graduate to work under a small room. A man must clean up his environment otherwise he will be affected by his environment.  You are not successful until your environment (city, nation) is successfulIt cannot be you alone, it must be you and us. That is true success. We must help build a better society.  Not only are provide clean water, transportation etc. we are training leaders all the time, so that they can help the communities and strengthen the societies.

 This 2014 I am asking you to give your time, energy to this project. You must train and equip our youths. We have establish FUTURE AFRICA AWARDS for young people. Through which we can recognize and acknowledge what they are doing. They will receive the awards and also some financial assistance ranging from 5000- 25 000USD. Including where necessary an opportunity for a scholarship. 

***FUTURE AFRICA AWARDS presented by Pastor TT Edun. *** afterwards, pastor Chris continues

2014 we want to see more young people challenging to do BIG things. That will be a plus for Africa.

 Can we have Jardel to minister to us with a song. We have so much talented people that God has blessed us with. ****Pastor start speaking in tongues.***

Did you hear that one?Thus saith The Lord.
My hand is mighty upon you, no evil shall befall you.
I lead you the way that you should go.your path was created wlong ago.
You were born so tht you should walk in it. Have confident in The Lord.
Trust in my light, trust in my spirit, trust in my glory. Leadership is service. 

[size=16pt]7.0 PREPARATION FOR THE MESSAGE OF THE YEAR. [/size]

At this moment I just want you to open your mouth and praise God, worship him, adore him, open your mouth and pray as you prepare to receive the message of the year. Hallelujah.

  [size=16pt] 8.0 FROM A LITTLE ONE TO A 1000 [/size]  

Only a few weeks ago in the month of Novemmber The Lord spoke to us and said, this chapter will characterize your life, your ministry this year. So I want to read to you this very portion tht we are at. 

Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee.
For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people:
but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. (Isaiah 60:1, 2 KJV)

There may be gross darkness in the world but you shall still shine, so don't be moved. 
And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee:
Tthy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.
Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged;
Because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.
The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come:
they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the Lord.
All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee:
They shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory. (Isaiah 60:3-7 KJV) 

These resent different nations. Different people will come to you from all different directions,
 Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?
Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far,
their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the Lord thy God,
and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee.
And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee:
for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.
Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night;
that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.
For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.
The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together,
to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.
The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee;
and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee,
The city of the Lord, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel. Whereas thou hast been forsaken and hated,
so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations.
Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings:
and thou shalt know that I the Lord am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.
For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron:
I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness.
Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders;
but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.
The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee:
but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself:
for the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.
Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting,
the work of my hands, that I may be glorified. A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation:
I the Lord will hasten it in his time. (Isaiah 60:8-22 KJV) Shout Amen. Glory to God.

Follow this, this is wonderful. Notice the last part of it. A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation:
I the Lord will hasten it in his time. Don't forget it.This is what The Lord said to me

  When we talk about Jesus we are not allying about Religion, it's not just some story, where ever you might be tonight, if you haven't received yet, then receive him tonight, make up your mind. Christianity is the very life of God in us. If you receive Jesus into your heart, you will receive tht life. No amount of good deeds or meditation will give you this life. The only way is Jesus. When I make that call tonight, make that choice to receive him. Otherwise this message won't make sense. 

[size=16pt] 9.0 THE LORD SHALL MAGNIFY YOU[/size]

And Joshua rose early in the morning; and they removed from Shittim, and came to Jordan, he and all the children of Israel, and lodged there before they passed over. And it came to pass after three days, that the officers went through the host; And they commanded the people, saying, When ye see the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, and the priests the Levites bearing it, then ye shall remove from your place, and go after it. Yet there shall be a space between you and it, about two thousand cubits by measure: come not near unto it, that ye may know the way by which ye must go: for ye have not passed this way heretofore. And Joshua said unto the people, Sanctify yourselves: for to morrow the Lord will do wonders among you. And Joshua spake unto the priests, saying, Take up the ark of the covenant, and pass over before the people. And they took up the ark of the covenant, and went before the people. And the Lord said unto Joshua, This day will I begin to magnify thee in the sight of all Israel, that they may know that, as I was with Moses, so I will be with thee. (Joshua 3:1-7 KJV) 

And the Lord said unto Joshua, This day will I begin to magnify thee in the sight of all Israel, that they may know that, as I was with Moses, so I will be with thee. (Joshua 3:7 KJV) This is what The Lord is saying to us.

And the Lord said unto Joshua, This day will I begin to magnify thee in the sight of all Israel, that they may know that, as I was with Moses, so I will be with thee. (Joshua 3:7 KJV) [size=16pt] This day begins this year, this day, this week, this month, the lord will begin to magnify you before the sight of others, and they will begin to wander. But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: (1 Peter 2:9 KJV) 2014, God has said, it is THE YEAR OF GREATNESS. [/size]

The Lord will magnify you. He will make you a wonder to your generation. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. (1 John 4:4 KJV) Please observe something here. And the Lord said unto Joshua, This day will I begin to magnify thee in the sight of all Israel, that they may know that, as I was with Moses, so I will be with thee. (Joshua 3:7 KJV) 

Who told Joshua? Was it man or God? Did he say you will be great if people like you?Did he say you will be great if people try to help you?Man might despise you, but it is God who will make you great, and it is so.God said, this day I (God Himslef) will magnify you. But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day. The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble. (Proverbs 4:18, 19 KJV)

Just and wicked are two important words you find in the bible.The just are the ones God gave them justification. Your life's journey is as a shining light that shines brighter and brighter and brighter and brighter... This year can only be better than last year for you. The word wicked is used to describe the man who ignores God. Right now, if you haven't been born again, if you have not yet received Jesus Christ, I want you to have this oppritnity so that I can lead you to salvation. It's your moment, it doesn't matter where you are, I want you pray after me. This year, speak in tongues like never before.

 [size=16pt] 10.0 I PRAY FOR YOU [/size]

It is your year of Greatness, The Lord will begin to magnify you in all areas. I pray for your family and all those who are connected to you. If you are student, I pray for you succes in your academics. I pray that God will inspire you and increase you with ideas. I pray for your health that you walk in health.i pray for your finances, I pray that miracles will happen. There will be a multiplication even I your even in business. I pray for the children who are represented right now. I specially pray for your country I pray for peace in your country. I pray for the blessing of God and the leadership for you country. I pray that you have leaders that God has chosen, leaders for your good not destruction. 

[size=16pt] 11.0 ANNOUNCEMENT - [/size]

Make sure you don't miss our first communion service this year and every other holy communion service. It's very important. -the international Easter youth Camp will happen in Easter. I encourage you to sponsor at least one youth.- I want you to send your name and the names of your family members. Send them to prayer@pastorchrisonline.org- I don't send emails or text messages to people asking for money. Just know that is fraud, pleasebe careful - I don't use Facebook to post anything to you. Those accounts are fake, if you want to foollow the messages that we send out to you, use Yookos. 

Lets stand up and sing the BLW anthem.

Goshen360: I always knew you're always in the Spirit, knowing what is happening. I dey gather momentum for the teachers of law plus grace, because whatever they can't achieve under grace, they rum to the law.

I wan scatter ground for this thread, it's gonna be the best of Goshen360, I promise you. I have been holding and waiting for a time such as this because the Spirit has been holding me on teaching some things, but I think the time is now.

Just sit back, relax and participate. It's gonna be Apostolic dimension of Goshen360.

I have an archive of all what you thought and taught in NL pertaining the law, ESPECIALLY in that thread, Grace convention, I want u to make sure they all correspondent to whatever u would post here. I will not hesitate to pull those threads out.

Like the thread i dug above, make sure what you post here are in Correlation with it....like Matthew, Mark, Luke and John being old Testament books arranged into the NT... I yam waiting for you, seems like drummAboy should move to the sidewalk, he just shot his foot

nlMediator: I think both of you are talking past each other. The Bible contains laws in the OT and these laws can be categorized into moral, civil, ceremonial, etc. The Bible does not have to say that for anybody to know it. It's like somebody saying that Noah's ark contained carnivores, herbivores and omnivores and you're asking for where the Bible says that. All you need are the characteristics of each category of animals and compare them to the animals in the ark. Or it is like taking all the laws passed by the National Assembly on such things as allowing people to vote at Age 16, protecting the elderly from scammers, granting protections to the disabled, etc. Anybody with knowledge of the legal system can break these laws into such headings as Constitutional Law, Elder Law, Disability Law, Civil Rights, Criminal Law, etc. Because the legislature did not describe it as such does not mean we cannot. Unless, you're suggesting that al the laws in the OT are of the same character and have no distinguishing characteristics.

I think the larger point you're trying to make is that all the laws have been abolished regardless of whether they are ceremonial, civil, etc. But that's different from saying there were no distinctions in the laws.

I also think the point that the NT contains sufficient rules for the believer is a very solid point. That's what keeps on confusing me about this Law-Grace argument. The "new" teachers of grace spend their valuable time demonizing "the law" but when you ask them if they think rape, murder, stealing are wrong, they'd say yes. And then they launch into some mumbo jumbo about how people sin because of the law. Ok, so those that preach grace without law no longer sin? Somehow, their congregations are better behaved? Of course, anybody with a modicum of intellect knows that that's not even remotely true.

The OP struck the right balance, in my opinion, about Law and Grace. The law is not for the christian, as written. However, the principles behind some of the laws are still valid. That's why many of them are repeated in the NT. And that's why those that claim to preach grace-only never come out to endorse the moral activities, for example, that the law condemns. At the end of the day, much of this is much ado about nothing. Nobody can be justified by the law. And nobody can live a successful christian life who wallows in those activities called sinful. 1 Pet. 2:11.

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DrummaBoy: Judgement, Mercy and Faith.

How does this answer my question to you? How does this relate to the law being subdivided into ceremonial, civil, moral, scribal and ethical? Those are still my questions to you?

Thank you for answering....The Pharisees were very far from treating important duties with the same scrupulosity which they observed in little matters.

Christ particularizes these weighty duties: Judgment,(and) mercy, and faith. Three are named, in contrast to the petty observances mentioned in v23.

Christ seems to refer to the words of Micah 6:8, "What doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? " (see also Hosea 12:6;Zechariah 7:9, 10). [size=16pt] Worthless are all outward observances when the moral precepts are neglected. [/size]

"Judgment" means acting equitably to one's neighbour, hurting nobody by word or deed; as inJeremiah 5:1 a man is sought "that exerciseth justice.'" Such impartiality is specially enjoined in the Law (Deuteronomy 16:19, etc.).

"Mercy," loving kindness in conduct, often taught in the Pentateuch, as in the case of the widow, the stranger, and the debtor, and very different from the feeling of those who "devour widows' houses."

"Faith" may mean fidelity to promises: "He that sweareth unto his neighbour and disappointeth him not, though it were to his own hindrance" (Psalm 15:4); but it is more probably taken as that belief in God without which it is not possible to please him, and which should underlie and influence all moral action (Hebrews 11:6). 

Sir, drummaby, are you saying that, faith, mercy and judgement are not ethical snd moral , laws? Like nlmediator pointed out (I strongly recommend you read his post very very slowly), you dont need an oracle to know that the laws of Moses were categorised. As uusual, u just shot ur foot....Again

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I did not insult u... "it's a shame" you think I did.

It's a shame means it's a pity....now, to u, that's an insult?

Oya, let me ask this, in matt 23v23, what were the weightier matters of d LAW Jesus spoke about..cn u kindly list them here? Thank you

https://www.nairaland.com/1116294/three-types-laws-bible-responsibilities

DrummaBoy: There is no such thing as civil, moral, ethical and scribal laws in the bible. I am not talking about laws among nations. We are talking bible here. And when you find civil, ceremonial, ethical or scribal laws in the bible, especially the Old Testament, you may refer us there. Thank you.

It's a shame that u don't know the bible or what it says...

The above thread was of 2012, though the author is an anti tither like u, at least he knew the different types of laws in the OT.

I'm done going round circles with you, post something worth debating or just, sit at the sidelines. Thanks

Goshen, before u comment, notice what u said in the above link and make sure u r consistent with it u said Matthew, Mark, Luke and John was still the OT, but arranged under the NT.... hmmmmm, ok o.

The fulfilling the law part...hmmmmmm, Goshen o

DrummaBoy: Since both you and Jo' claim to be saying the same thing with me only that you are saying a little "more" than I said, I will not continue with my original text but will only add a little bit to what you have written above; iut let me lend you into a little "a,b,c" I learnt on nairaland.com religion section:

There is no such thing as [size=20pt]CIVIL, MORAL, ETHICAL,or SCRIBAL[/size] laws in the whole of the bible - including the Old Testament where you are referring to (forgive my enlarging the text; it is for emphasis sake, so that no one can claim not to see them). This is what the scripture says of all laws in the Old Testament:

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

We are New Testament ministers. We, New Testament minister, are the ones who minister "of the Spirit". Those who minister the Old Testament, we will yet see, are the minister of death. So the subject of spirit ministers is not because of one cool revelation we got from reading the bible but that we understand what the New Testament is all about. This testament is ratified by the blood of Jesus. And everything that blood sort to provide us is the ministration of the New Testament. Thus anyone who resorts to the Old Testament or the Old Covenant for so called revelation to live the Christian life are ministers of death!

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

This ministration of death is neither ceremonial, ethical, scribal or moral laws. This ministration of death is what was engraven on the stone by the finger of God himself - THE TEN COMMANDMENT! So the matter is still not thinking that the law was designed for our justification or not; the matter is that there is no place for the law in the New Testament. It is a ministration of death. Christ death did not happen so that we may have grace to keep the law. Christ's death abolished the law - which scripture rightly calls enmity with God. So I say again whichever of you wishes to use the law for justification or whatever at all have fallen from grace; Christ is of no effect to you!

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

The ministration of the spirit, the New Testament is the source of true, enduring, glory. Anything else is a source of fading glory.

So at the end we should realize that we are not saying the same thing. Rather we are saying a lot of different stuffs. Here. I am laying foundation and will still go on to quote a man of God on the subject of DISPENSATION. A subject that settles on matter of doctrinal conflicts but will continue to annoy law advocates because it puts to naught this love and zealousness for the law. When I am done doing that, I will talk about tithing - the subject that has makes all of angry on this forum. And the truth is that it is supposed to be so because just like circumcision in Paul's day, tithing as a subject calls all of us back to understanding the scripture better.

When I am done with that I will be calling the house, especially my many good friends and laws advocates (I believe law advocate is very much better than modern day judaizers - that is me reforming my language not to annoy some people too much this year 2014) to come to the tithe disscuss thread where justice is being done to the subject to make their contribution for the sake of posterity and as many as are looking for light into subject of tithing.

Dispensations by R. B. Thieme )Jnr), next.

Did you just say there are no such thing as civil, moral, ethical and scribal laws in the bible?... na wa o, just so u know, death penalty started in the Bible... the laws of the Western world including civil laws were coined out of the bible, how then did u conclude that there aint such thing as civil, moral, ethical and scribal laws in the WHOLE people?

Chaaaaaaaaaaaaai

The ceremonial laws including "clean" and "unclean" lists, sacrifices, dietary restrictions, ritual washings, etc.
The civil law regulating social behavior and specifying crimes, punishments and other rules
The moral and ethical laws, such as the Ten CommandmentsThe Pentateuch (the first 5 books of the Bible)
The scribal law - the 600+ rules formulated by the scribes that everyone was expected to obey
The Scripture as a whole

DrummaBoy: Regardless of what the OP says, these scriptures cannot be expunged from the New Testament:

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin - Romans 3:20

The purpose for the giving of the law was to bring the knowledge of sin. The law was a school master to bring us to the matter of faith in Christ (Galatians 3:19,24)

But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets - Romans 3:20

No matter how good the law was, it could never bring the righteousness of Christ. God's righteousness has been revealed today. It is witnessed by the law and prophets because the law and prophets or the Old Testament spoke about its coming.

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: - Romans 3:21

This righteousness is not self righteousness; it is not good deeds; it is doing our best; it is the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD! Woe betide any man who approaches the throne of God without that garment of righteousness regardless of how "zealous for the law" they are.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. - Romans 11:6

The righteousness of God revealed to sinners apart from the law is a subject of God's grace. It is grace, grace and grace. It is not law and it can never be works. The two, grace and works, are anti-thesis to each other. If you are not secured in grace, you will find your security in works. And that way you shall fall from grace, Galatians 5:4

4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. 7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: - Phillipians 3

I think the above scripture is self explanatory enough. I have said it and will say it again, the only thing that law advocate can do on this forum is to tell us that Paul the apostle is not an inspired author of scripture. This they can do honorably than resort to twisting his writings to their own destruction.

To be continued...

Drummaboy, if u read my post, u wud see that the LAW meant different things to different context. I listed em above... I and the op clearly stated that the Law couldn't justify anybody, that was why Jesus had to come. What u posted above was kike we are saying the law made one righteous

We are saying the law was not completely abolished like most of u think...the ethical and moral parts for example, stand till eternity, so are other principles...get the difference...later now, u go recommend ur blog for us..

I'd lve to ask thosenwho said the law is completely abolished....when Jesus said to em Pharisees in Matt 23, that they NEGLECT THE WEIGHTIER MATTERS OF [size=16pt] THE LAW... [/size] What law was Jesus talking about?

Those things Jesus listed out, are they principles of God, or not? Were they ceremonial laws or laws of ethic and morals?
Were they abolished too?

Grace convention that held on NL last year, was a sham, i read all forms of rubbish, and watch supposed Christian 'teachers/scholars' err. If I dig up that thread and bring up what some brethren posted there in the name of preaching/having a 'talk', y'all would be amazed!

Following this topic...

I want to discuss this too, to answer atheists and satanists once and forever!...

I'd prepare my armoury, and wait for them.

The Teachings of Jesus

By the time of Jesus, the great moral principles God had given to Moses in the Ten Commandments had been turned into hundreds of ceremonial rules. People thought they were living holy lives if they just obeyed all those rules. But Jesus disagreed. He said people found enough "loopholes" to obey all the rules and still live wicked and greedy lives (Matthew 23:23-28).

Jesus made one statement about the Law that often causes confusion:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)

Christians have struggled to understand exactly what Jesus meant. At first reading, this seems to say that all the Old Testament rules and rituals must still be observed. But Jesus and His disciples did not observe many of those rules and rituals, so it could not mean that.

It is frequently pointed out that the term "the Law" could have many different meanings at the time of Jesus:

The ceremonial laws including "clean" and "unclean" lists, sacrifices, dietary restrictions, ritual washings, etc.
The civil law regulating social behavior and specifying crimes, punishments and other rules
The moral and ethical laws, such as the Ten CommandmentsThe Pentateuch (the first 5 books of the Bible)
The scribal law - the 600+ rules formulated by the scribes that everyone was expected to obey
The Scripture as a whole

[size=16pt] Jesus did not abolish the moral and ethical laws that had been in effect from the time of Moses. [/size] He affirmed and expanded upon those principles, but He said obedience must be from the heart (attitudes and intentions) rather than just technical observance of the letter of the law (Matthew 5:21-22, 27-28, 31-32, 33-34, 38-42, 43-44, etc.).

However, Jesus and His disciples did not observe the strict scribal rules against doing any work on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-14,Mark 2:23-28, 3:1-6, Luke 6:1-11, 13:10-17, 14:1-6, John 5:1-18). Neither did they perform the ritual hand washings before eating (Matthew 15:1-2). In contrast to the dietary rules of the Law, Jesus said no food can defile a person; it is bad attitudes and actions that can make a person unholy (Matthew 15:1-20, Mark 7:1-23).

Jesus frequently criticized the scribal laws (Matthew 23:23, Mark 7:11-13) and some aspects of the civil law (John 8:3-5, 10-11). [size=16pt] Therefore, Jesus was specifically teaching that the moral and ethical laws in the Scripture would endure until the end of time. [/size]

That would be consistent with His actions and other teachings. Through His teachings and actions, Jesus revealed the true meaning and intent of the Law.It is also pointed out that Jesus, Himself, is the fulfillment of the Law (Matthew 26:28, Mark 10:45, Luke 16:16, John 1:16, Acts 10:28,13:39, Romans 10:4)  The sacrifice of Jesus on the cross ended forever the need for animal sacrifices and other aspects of the ceremonial law.

@joagbaje, yeah, ethics and moral laws are principles of God, they are not abolished, and like u rightly pointed out, conscience and other yardsticks folks wanna use to justify their acts would ALWAYS end in error, the law is th e foundation of right and wrong. Folks esp anti tithers say the law is completely abolished, just to nullify tithing, but the fail to see that when Paul asked Timothy to study, it was actually the law of Moses, ethics and morals, not ceremonial cleasing or scribal law etc. They say the law is completely abolished, but they don't have sexx with their siblings or infants, just because "conscience" is at work, forgetting that terrorist who bomb up pple have the their own form of conscience, which to them is right... some folks who never had any form of upbringing thinks it is right to kill who ever pisses them off, that is his conscience...what then? It all ends in error without the foundation in the law....the laws of the western world were crafted outta tye Bible (laws of moses)...be it death penalty, laws against rape, inbreeding, murder, robbery etc. How then do we reconcil the fact that the law is completely abolished with the fact that its moral and ethical stance arenvery much operational today and acceptable to God?

And as u rightly pointed out again, the only issue with the law, the only problem with is was that it cannot bring justification for anybody... hewbrews 7:11 and 19, they said, the Law never made anything perfect, that's why Jesus had to come, to get us that perfection. No wonder he said he didn't come to abolish the law.

The fact is that we are NO LONGER under the law, simply because it made nothing perfect, not because it is not Good (paul said in rom7v7 that the law is not sinful, in other words, the law of God is not identical to sin)

I look forward to a wonderful session on this topic!

Wow!...exceptional piece, we actually have to let folks see that the law is not totally bad...be right back with my additions

Living In His Perfect Will · Friday, January 3rd · 

Pastor Anita

Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God (Hebrews 10:7)..

God loves to help you achieve your dreams, but much better is when you live out His dreams for you. He has a bigger and better dream for you than you could ever have for yourself. Therefore, in setting your goals for the year, the smart thing to do is to be sure those goals are within the ambits of His desires. Your goal, at all times, should be to fulfil His perfect will.

To live in God’s dream for your life is the best place to be. That way, you’re victorious irrespective of the crises, stresses and struggles you encounter, because you’re in the centre of His perfect will. Everything you require is available to you in Him. The Lord Jesus said in Luke 12:32 "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom."

Living in His perfect will requires intimacy with the Holy Spirit. You’d have to recognize and yield yourself to Him, giving Him the right of way in your life. Maybe, right now, you’re in a situation where you’re not sure whether or not you’re living in God’s plan for your life, and as a result, you’re wondering "How do I come out? How do I change things and get back into God’s perfect will?"

First, recognize that He’s big enough to change things for you. Secondly, decide to let the Holy Spirit gain dominion and mastery in your life: let Him take over! He’ll guide you to be in God’s place, in God’s time, for God’s purpose, in God’s way. He’s the One that reveals to your spirit the things God wants you to do, and how He wants you to do them. Living within the ambits of His desires will bring unprecedented joy and fulfilment into your life.

Never try to be someone else; take pleasure in your uniqueness, and be what God wants you to be.

Prayer..
  Dear Father, I thank you for the light of your Word, by which I’ve discovered your will and walk in your plans for my life. I yield completely to the Lordship and tutelage of the Holy Spirit, who guides me in your perfect will, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: Romans 12:2; Colossians 4:17

Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : Matthew 3 Genesis 6-8
2 Year Reading Plan : Acts 6:9-15 Nehemiah 6

Kenny4lyfe: Welcome to a beautiful day, full of greatness
in everything.

More from the message for 2014 by
Pastor:

Ref: Joshua 3:7

God said to Joshua I will begin to magnify you

God said He will do it Himself

There are those who will look at you and
think you will not amount to anything

There are those who will look at you and
think that you don’t have the advantage

There are those who look at you, they will
size you and think you cannot become
anything,

BROTHER, SISTER, IT IS YOUR YEAR OF
GREATNESS

IT IS YOUR YEAR OF GREATNESS, NO ONE
CAN STOP IT

THE LORD WILL BEGIN TO MAGNIFY YOU
FROM GLORY TO GLORY, FROM GLORY TO
GLORY

THROUGHOUT 2014 YOU WILL GO FROM
GLORY TO GLORY

HE WILL BEGIN TO MAGNIFY YOU

HALLELUIA

Enjoy your day!



NOTE: Culled from Pastor Ruth Musarurwa's Blog Post on Yookos!

Wow! I have the whole thing pastor Chris said...in written form, word for word... # Glooooooooooooooooray

Pastor Olu T: Happy New Year to all the brethren in the house.

God bless u @ op, in fact I was talking to someone in this line yesterday (though from a different angle, the spiritual being more real than the physical), and looking at it from 2Corinthians 4:18.

That 90% of what is happening in the world as we know it today are spiritual n just 10 are physical manifesting in that realm, so anyone just holding on to the physical is ignorant n yet carnal 'cos there is a whole lot happening in the spiritual realm. So it is only spiritually reasonable to hold on to the truth/fact of the spiritual rather than the physical.

Spot on Sir, very true

Bidam: Don't mind Gosh, he was thinking in terms of tithes and offerings.

I just hope he meant something else aside monetary thoughts...cos that prov 23v 23 is likened to that story Jesus told, where a manmfound a treasure in a land, then went home, sold all he had just to buy that land... why would the man wanna sell the land afterwards, after he's found a treasure there?

Morning bro Bidam...

shdemidemi: I don't think there is anything wrong in you dedicating a day to God, in fact every day should be dedicated to Him. What I believe we cant do is delude ourselves that God is also on standstill on such days.

Who said God was on a stand still on such days?... meanwhile, he gives full attention to those who worship him in sprit and truth, irrespective of the day selected.

Proverbs 23v 23. - Buy the truth, means, Consider truth as a thing of the highest value, and spare no pains, cost, or sacrifice to obtain it, and, when gotten, keep it safe; do not barter it for earthly profit or the pleasures of sense; do not be reasoned out of it, or laughed out of it; while " [size=16pt] sell it not," means do not part with it for any consideration. [/size] The second clause gives the sphere in which truth moves, or the three properties which appertain to it.(read the rest of v23)

Goshen360: I wasn't contesting anything the OP said, I was stirring up something for our learning, changing the course. Okay, if he's talking about the truth in God's realm, how do I buy this truth in God's realm AND SELL IT NOT?

It's a new year, do I need school u on the Bible this early? Cosider the last part of your post above...u were thinking monetary buying and selling, weren't u? Goshen, hmmmmm ok o

[size=16pt] The truth He's talking about here is the truth in God's realm , which is different from fact. [/size]

Goshen360: 1. Welcome to 2014 brethren.

2. The fact is, there was deadness and weakness of womb and body, Sarah and Abraham, father of us who are of faith. Truth is, he is a FATHER OF MANY NATIONS.

3. Lemme do the work of the angle in John 5:4, to stir the water and bring healing to the man at the pool.

"Buy the truth and sell it not", how do I buy the truth and sell it not IF CHRIST IS THE TRUTH?

Read the OP well, you'd notice the above bold...Please read the OP slowly this time. HNY bro

shdemidemi: There is nothing wrong with celebrating a new year festival but associating any spiritual connotation to it is the wrong thing we do. Is the day a new years day in God's calendar? It is always so amusing when churches act like the world and scream and pray loudest into a new year as if God is particularly moved by time.

God created time, He is not in time neither is he bound by time. As far as the scripture is concerned 1st of January is like every other day. Nothing changes as a result of a new year, christians must wake up.

HAPPY NEW YEAR

Would you say dedicating any day to God is wrong, just because it wasn't recorded in the Bible?

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]BULLSHYT.

jesus is alive in your dreams. to us and the world and to reality, he is dead.


No I won't. I never pass bad news.[/quote]It actually is a great news....

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]so Britain and Japan were superpowers in the Stone Age?

hmm interesting. .


My Gods are dead? lmao!
A spiritual force cannever succumb to human maladies. Infact, it is Your jewish man-god , jesus, who is dead. slaughtered like a goat by the Roman soldiers and nailed to a plank.[/quote]I meant stone age as a hyperbole....metaphorically

Jesus is alive, forever! # Glooooooooooooooooray

Let's stop derailing, u didn't say whether you would pass my msg to alfa or not

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]if a small Nation like Japan or England could be world power, then why not us?


Dreams are good.[/quote]Cos we are in the 21st century now, not stone age...

Pls tell alfa that ad rates are currently above 9, 000NGN... by next week, , twillbe more than 12, 000NGN....I pray for mynd44 u know? I pray he remains our mod forever! I pray he is not swayed or distracted by the microscopic few, who has no iota of best wishes for the religion section. By microscopic few I dont mean all atheists and pagans, msome Christians too fall in that category

Pray for him too, ur gods (though dead) would like the idea