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Logicboy03: the mad men- Obadiah, Tpia etc

The only thing he said that I agree with

BTW, I'm just passing by....

[quote author=tpia@]they want the money diverted elsewhere, maybe to fund boko haram or their p.orn habit.

utter shamelessness, for peanut pay.[/quote]I will be praying for you...

BTW I'm just passing by.

@OP God bless you for this.

DON'T SETTLE FOR THE AVERAGE LIFE-DATE SATURDAY, OCTOBER 12, 2013

PASTOR ANITA OYAKHILOME*

Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's. (1 Corinthians 3:21-23)

God didn't create you to suffer and struggle through life. Some people suffer and settle for the lesser things in life because they're ignorant of their rights, privileges and inheritance in Christ. Some have thought it
wrong to live well and look good. They have the notion that it's better to live in poverty and go to heaven. Living in poverty, sickness and defeat has nothing to do with going to heaven; in fact, that's inconsistent with the Gospel. However, living in health, dominion, and in God's provision is the will of God for you.

God didn't plan a miserable life for you. His Word, apart from showing you His will for your life, also reveals your inheritance in Christ. 2 Corinthians 8:9 ,declares, "For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich." Jesus became poor that we might become rich. What you have
to do to enjoy the life of prosperity He's
brought you into is to live in His Word!

In Isaiah 1:19, God said, "If ye be willing and obedient, ye shalt eat the good of the land." The Living Bible puts it this way: "If you will only let me help you, if you will only obey, I will make you rich." Your submission to God's Word as final authority in your life is the key to living in your inheritance in Christ and enjoying life to the full. God has already given you all things
to enjoy; so don't settle for the average
life.

FURTHER STUDY
1 Timothy 6:17
Charge them that are rich in this world,
that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

Ecclesiastes 5:18
Behold that which I have seen: it is good and comely for one to eat and to drink, and to enjoy the good of all his labour that he taketh under the sun all the days of his life, which God giveth him: for it is his portion.

PRAYER
Dear heavenly Father, I thank you for the rich and beautiful life you've brought me into in Christ. I thank you for bringing me into my place of inheritance in Christ Jesus, where you've made all things available to me to freely enjoy, in Jesus' Name. Amen.

DAILY SCRIPTURE READING
1 Year Bible Reading Plan
1 Thessalonians 1-2:1-16
Isaiah 35-37

2 Year Bible Reading Plan
John 5:19-27
1 Kings 19

His Pearl Of Great Price · Friday, October 11th ·

Pastor Chris

Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field (Matthew 13:44).


The Lord Jesus likened the Kingdom of heaven to a treasure, which a man found in the field, and sold everything he had to buy the field. Notice that Jesus didn’t say the man bought the treasure, but that he bought the field that contained the treasure. The treasure is the Church; and following the interpretation Jesus gave of the parable of the sower, the field is the world (Matthew 13:38). The Bible says in 1 Corinthians 6:20 and 1 Corinthians 7:23 that we were bought with a price. We’re the treasure in the field which the Master bought.

The Master also likened the Kingdom to a merchant, seeking precious pearls of great value: "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it" (Matthew 13:45-46). We (the Church) are that pearl of great price; we’re His purchased, special possession: "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a dedicated nation, [God’s] own purchased, special people, that you may set forth the wonderful deeds and display the virtues and perfections of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvellous light" (1 Peter 2:9 AMP).

Our value to Him is revealed in the price He paid for our salvation: "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold…but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot" (1 Peter 1:18-19). There’re people who often like to tell us that we’re not very special. Even sometimes in the church, there’re those who, in testifying of something great the Lord has done in their lives would say, "God did suchand- such for me, and it isn’t because I’m special…." They think they’re being humble when they say that, but they’re actually being ignorant. We’re special. Think about it: we were bought with the blood of Jesus Christ.

You’re worth the blood of Jesus Christ. See yourself as such. Live everyday with the consciousness that you’re special to God! That realization will inspire greater boldness and confidence in your spirit. Suddenly, you’d realize that indeed, nothing is impossible, unachievable, or too good for you. Think, talk, and live as one who knows his true value and worth to God; you’re His pearl of great price.

Prayer  Dear Father, I thank you for creating me in your image, and in your likeness, for beauty and for glory! I recognize myself as your peculiar treasure and pearl of great price, fashioned for good works; I show forth your wonderful deeds and display your virtues and perfections today, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: Psalm 135:4; Ephesians 2:10 (AMP);

Deuteronomy 14:2; Titus 2:13-14

Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : Colossians 4:2-18, Isaiah 33-34

2 Year Reading Plan : John 5:10-18, 1 Kings 17-18

[quote author=fr_evangel][s] I attend a church that preaches tithe and warn all hell will break loose if you don't. In fact, I was never a member of a church that doesn't.
I was a preacher in a church and preached tithe with "vehemence" until I did a personal study while still a member and church leader in the church.

The question is not IF YOUR CHURCH PREACH TITHING. The question is HAVE YOU STUDIED IT YOURSELF?

@OP, your pastor actually did not always believe in tithe in his early days in ministry. He actually preached against tithing.
If you joined Christ Embassy within the last 8 years you may not have heard about it from him.

According to him, he only believed in tithe after he tried to look for scriptures "against" tithing and "found none". [/s][/quote]Just the name of the church would be enough... Just type d name of the Church you attend now that preaches against tithing

Tnx

[quote author=tpia@]you are not welcome.[/quote]

Pastor Kun: To answer your question I would need to know which of the three types of tithes stated in scripture you are referring to. Kindly elucidate

Kunle just choose an option or roll over

If you need elucidation, open another thread or use the search engine on NL for such threads

^^
Your opinion is duly Noted. Open a thread for that.
Nobody said His Church is berra than the other on this thread.

Meanwhile don't derail this thread. Name your church, if you cannot, plz plz dnt derail.

Cheers

Candour: [s]

let me predict the outcome

Tithing churches 10,000
Non tithing churches 4

Captain Gombs of the tithing churches, pls come forward for the Gold medal

My bro, you haf win jare [/s]

If you can't write down your church, pls don't derail this thread. Thank u

Joagbaje: @gombs
Now that you have mentioned your church, what of other posters that attention your church , supposing they are 50 in number are the 50 going to post each or your post cover for them us all

They should simply type the Church's name, even if previous posters have mentioned such church.

You can just type urs out

It is not false that you are a product of Words you give attention to. In other words your character and how you tend to act is directly proportional to Words you give attention to and the thoughts they stir in your heart.

Now, I'm sure we all love our Churches and their doctrines and how they go about stuffs. I'm linking this poll to tithing. It will help us know which Churches tithe and which doesn't, know the Head Pastor/Bishop/Prophet, etc, of these tithing Churches and Churches that Preach against tithing. The few options as of now are;

1. If you know your church preach AGAINST tithing (they call it fraud by other Pators), pls identify your church

2. If you know your church DOES NOT preach AGAINST tithing, but all the same they encourage tithing and receive tithes, pls identify your church

3. If you know your Church talks about it, and you just hate the idea but still grudgingly obey, pls identify your church

4. If you know your church teach tithing principles and does not condemn it and you love tithing, pls identify your church

5. If you are in a tithing Church and you won't tithe because you think it is scamming, pls identify your Church

In that vein, let's be civilized (avoid insults and derailing) and pls give short and precise answers like my format below..and plz choose from the options given above plz.

"I am Gombs, option 4, My church CHRIST EMBASSY teaches tithing and does not condemn it and I love tithing. Pastor Chris Oyakhilome is the Head Pastor
"

God bless you ALL.

Warm regards
Gombs

I am from Believers Love World aka Christ Embassy, I pay tithe

Let's see what the OP will say about his church.


BTW I'm just passing by...don't quote me...cos I won't reply you!

Cheers

wesley80: Good Lord! What has happened to Ngige? You took permission to what? This guy seems to have been eating too much of the wrong kind of soup lately, how can you seek permission to do what only a most ignorant and uncultured stranger would do? And what was he expecting the Obi to tell him? 'No, dont hold any rally I'm holding my Ofala? Of course not, if a fool refuses wise counsel and walks in with a suicide rope, simply help him tie a noose and point him to the door - One less slowpoke to worry about!

The bold words threw me into an epileptic laughter


Oh Lawdy Lord !

Candour: [s]
A Catholic told you they do not preach tithing, i said the same thing. So strike them from your list. They are not with you in the scam.

If we list it, what will you do with it? and if we dont, will do more than laughing and scoffing? so go ahead and start your enjoyment.
I told you one Church i attend and they DO NOT preach tithing so do what you want with the info.

It'll do you well to realise numbers dont determine correctness. I told you in the other thread that millions have followed dumb beliefs for ages so pls drop this herd mentality. Do your own thinking by yourself and stop relying on the crowd to help you know what is true or false. Has it ever occurred to you that you and your particular group might have been fooled by the gelled smart man?




You dont want to discuss Catholicism again? i thought you know so much about them? Go dig up more links to support your false claims.



What do you need the list for? to help you make up your mind to continue or stop being fleeced? since you obviously need numbers to help you make up your mind
[/s]
I dont have a list of 10 [s] because i didn't brag about any number.

I have given you the name of one i attend, now do what you want to do with it.
[/s]

The words in bold is what you and your band would have said since page 1, anyways, this will do. I have a big smile on my face.


Good day lads

*unfollows thread

...

Folks can't answer a simple YES or No question even after he saw that I listed Catholic Church in the list of Churches that preaches and receive tithes. He's still asking me flimsy question to dodge answering a simple Yes or No question

Asking me whether my Church is pro tithing so that he can derail from the topic of the thread. As if, if my church were anti tithing, I'd be here asking them to give list of anti tithe churches or supporting tithing views

Folks that can't list the anti tithing churches they attend

Folks who think they are smarter both mentally and spiritually and scripturally than hundreds of Millions who tithe.



Back to the Matter, we are not discussing catholism here, or compulsory tithe or not compulsory


We want to know JUST 10 anti tithe churches in Nigeria.


Pls give the list to the world to see, (you guys can't even spell out the churches you attend ) or simply bury your heads in shame.


1 wrong answer again and I'm off this thread with full smile that anti tithe crew can't list 10 churches that are against tithing (preach against it) and also that they can't post their church names, churches which they themselves say preach against tithing.

Candour: [s]
Do you have a problem with comprehension?

Catholics no longer practice compulsory tithing but are encouraged to contribute anything from 1-100% means they no longer operate by tithing, you know why? because tithe is strictly 10%. and if you dont operate a strict 10% threshold, then you're no longer operating by tithing or you want to prove Abraham gave more than 10%?

Tithe is 10%....No more, No less

Its that simple.





As if you have a choice. Complain to your pastor na if you get liver....make e prophesy devourer, poverty and sickness upon your head courtesy of Mal 3:8-12

Abraham's example indeed!!

You belong to your god of men my friend. Do well to start doing your thinking yourself.



You lied against the Catholic church and a Catholic called you out. Catholics mooted the idea of Tithes for the church at Tours in 567AD, ratified it at Macon in 585AD and even then, its was strictly Agric produce meaning Christianity survived for 550 years without compulsory tithes .Catholics are obligated to support the church but are not given a percentage to abide by. Ask a Catholic who knows to educate you. Fr Gyang can even help you out

So on the issue of Catholic tithing, you're very wrong. Just admit it even if to yourself.
[/s]

Simple question

Is The Catholic Church an ANTI-Tithe Church?

YES or NO

If you can't answer this simple question, I will understand why!

www.forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=121898

www.saint-mike.org/library/rule/excerpts/principles_tithing.html

The first is a catholic forum on tithing

The second is the "Philosophy and Principles of Tithing
according to the Rule of St. Michael"

You lads should read it and answer whether the Catholic Church is Anti Tithing!


And Here, Catholic Churches ENCOURAGE TITHING. Chukwudi are you sure you are a catholic? I once were a catholic, I was in Legion of Mary, I knw a lot about CCRN, I know about a lot of saints, etc

And then, we were encouraged to bring in em tithes

Candour: You see how dishonest you and your pastors are?

Later you'll start lying you don't tithe because of Mal 3:8-12. Keep deceiving your selves.

I wonder why your devourer has not being able to devour the 1billion Catholics who no longer operate by tithing.

FAT LIE...who told you Catholic no longer Give tithes?
Compare the words in bold above to what Chukwudi said below
"Please the catholic church does not preach compulsory tithing(payment of 10%) by itz
members."

do you have dyslexia?

Chukwudi44 , a well known Catholic on NL has blown your lies out in the open. Catholics are encouraged to give as they desire and are able which is exactly what the apostles encouraged their converts to be doing and which we are advocating today.
[
/quote]

Candour o!

[qoute]
Keep contributing to make your god of men have enough resources to keep their hair gelled. You'll be repaid with cartons of sophisticated hair cream I suppose.

We aint complaining!
Y complain for us? Is it your money?
See height of desperation abeg!

chukwudi44: Please the catholic church does not preach compulsory tithing(payment of 10%) by itz members. Catholics are encouraged to contribute to the church in any percentage be it 1-100%.

The cathechism of the catholic church does not stipulate mandatory payment of 10% of our income.

A quick quiz

Do Catholics pay/give tithes?

Yes or No

Which one is "does not preach compulsory tithing"?

Do they pay tithes, YES or NO?

Or let me put it this way

Is the Catholic Church an Anti tithing Church?
YES or NO will do

An Exciting Life · Thursday, October 10th ·

Pastor Chris

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but
righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost
(Romans 14:17).

The more you study the scriptures, the
more convinced you’ll be that Christianity
isn’t a religion at all, but a living, exciting,
fulfilling, and extraordinary walk in the
supernatural. I made this discovery early in
life as a young lad. The more I studied the
Word of God, the more excited I was
about Jesus; I discovered that Christianity works. I discovered that the Word was living and active. I discovered that the miracles in the Bible weren’t mere
stories, and that the Holy Spirit was more than an
influence.

Let’s look at some exciting examples in the Scriptures
of some of those in whose lives the Holy Spirit
manifested His extraordinary power. Judges 15:16 tells
us how Samson overcame a thousand trained soldiers
with the jawbone of an ass. In 1 Samuel 17:34-35, David
testified how he killed a lion and a bear with his bare
hands. Consider Moses: Once, he and the Israelites were
hemmed in between the Red Sea, and the charging
Egyptian troops. The Bible tells us that as Moses
stretched his hand over the Sea, it split wide open for
the Israelites to walk through on dry ground.

How exciting and inspiring to know that the same Spirit
that worked with these and other Bible characters, as
well as the Lord Jesus, and the apostles, is the same
Spirit that’s at work in us today. 2 Corinthians 4:7 says,
"But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the
excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us."
Ours is even better, because like the Lord Jesus, we
have the fullness of the Spirit (John 1:16, Colossians
2:9-10).

The same Spirit that raised Him from the dead lives in us
today in His fullness (Romans 8:11); therefore, you can
walk in fellowship with God as the prophets, the Lord
Jesus, and the apostles did. You can live an exciting life
of victory, success, and excellence by the same Spirit.

Prayer

Dear Father, I thank you for your Word that
has brought the reality of the divine life to light in
me. I live a joyful, exciting, and glorious life in
absolute liberty and mastery over Satan and all
circumstances, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: Romans 8:11

Daily Scripture Reading
1 Year Reading Plan : Colossians 3:1-4:1, Isaiah 31-32
2 Year Reading Plan : John 5:1-9, 1 Kings 16

God2man: candour or frosbel?

God2man.

Abi o?

Candour: Because its not a competition and the fraudsters have engulfed the entire landscape. Is that so difficult to understand?

God is bringing his children out of the bondage just as he used one man to deliver the Christian world from the sale of indulgences.

There are churches that do not preach or collect tithes, but more importantly more and more Christians are discovering the truth and learning to think independently of the charlatans in suit and that is very evident on this forum.

I understand that feeling bro!

Candour: Pity yourself friend. You that can't even explain what your god of men preaches to another nairalander is trying to pity somebody. nlmediator dropped some useful advice for you on the purchase thread opened by Joagbaje. Hope you read and internalise it. You only parrot what you hear every fellowship day without understanding and it was very glaring on that thread as it is when you talk about tithes.

Tithing as preached today is a perversion of Mosaic laws and a horrible scam. Even if I'm the only one remaining in the world holding this view, you bet my stand won't change.

Your churches that you're so proud of because of the money, crowd etc you have are mostly business centers trying to compete with dangote, adenuga and co and it shows in the greedy covetous people they churn out.

I was expecting to see your tithing testimony on Joagbaje's testimony thread. Pls go and give it so we can know how much 'tithe principle' works in your life abi you don't have testimony ne?

Tithing for Christians is a fraud and no amount of bible twisting can change it.

I will see you one day in Jos and we'll laugh and shake hands over drinks but until then, stop the scam and let people give freely and willingly

Very typical of Candour!



I await you in Jos!

List of few tithing churches

RCCG
WINNERS
ECWA
COCIN
BAPTIST
METHODIST
CHURCH OF GOD MISSION
DUNAMIS
KICC
SYNAGOGUE CHURCH OF ALL NATION
CHRIST EMBASSY
ANGLICAN
CATHOLIC
DLBC
Just to mention a few


Why can't anti tithers list TEN...only TEN anti tithing churches?

^^
You sound pitiable


No hard feelings, accept you are wrong abt tithing...I almost went into epileptic laugher when I read this


"but always remember Narrow is the way that leads to life and few there be that find it......."

I now said "eya"


When you called pastors fraudsters and scam artists and dare call God's church a business centre... you didn't remember the above, abi folks who insult others who dnt adhere to their ideology can pass tru you narrow way cheerfully and they are the few who can find the way?...

Abeg shift!

Open more thread and do 'God's' work of preaching anti tithing

Which one is Church of Christ? Hope it is not Church of Christ in Nigeria (COCIN)?

If it is COCIN u guys are refering to, then it is a fat lie. Those guys tithe....tithe is Zakka in hausa, and these folks have a box for it.....dont lie here o!

Candour, stop lying

Candour: Shame on you indeed

If Plenty Churches were honest about tithes, we won't be on this quest in the first place.

Every averagely intelligent human being knows you'll have very few churches in Nigeria that do not collect tithes because the tithe message came with the Christianity that was brought to the country and people only started seeing the light recently.

Church of Christ has been here for a long time (at least a senior colleague of mine has been a member since 1969) and they are spread all over the country. I repeat all over Nigeria.

Also nobody on this thread ever boasted that there were numerous churches not preaching tithes so I wonder what your celebration is for.

A brother wanted to know and we all were honestly trying to help him out.

Anyway I won't begrudge you a good time in the sun. Lap it up as much as you can. Welcome to your eldorado

You and your crew should open more threads preaching anti tithe messages. Smart set of folks!

Pastor Kun: For starters the Roman catholic church which accounts for over half of the world's christian population does not teach tithing to their members.

LIES!!!!

see desperation abeg....list ten churches that dont tithe....Catholics do, dont lie here.