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Candour: Abraham your example and my example whose style of tithing you claim to follow today gave his offerings by burning on the altar but when he gave tithes to Melchizedek, he gave the physical tithes physically to Melchizedek. Don't try to play smart pls. You distinguished between tithes and offerings so pls leave them that way.

I repeat the question. How do you pay tithes to Jesus today?

Bidam: After quoting from scriptures two high priest during Jesus and John's era..You now came up with this? Did you follow our trend of arguments from the beginning? Or are you so much in a hurry to jump in and mark your name present?

christemmbassey: allready getting personal? It is well o. Zikky is a confirmed professor and christemmbassey just a graduate assistant, are they d same, just bc both are in unicall?

christemmbassey: then i'm all urs, again, don't run away like joa n ola. . Cheers

theoctopus: You have delved into grave error and heresy with every post you post.

1. If Melchizedek is alive for evermore like Jesus and according to you, his priesthood is like Jesus, then we have two everlasting high priests running in parallel. That is serious heresy you have posted there. You have created for yourself, an immense problem. So as we speak, Jesus is not the only high priest. If that is true, the whole message of salvation falls like a pack of cards. There were never two high priests in Israel. There were many priests but never two high priests. If you have two high priests running parallel today, who do we go to for salvation. What you do not understand obviously is the function of the high priest.

2. Because you are trying so hard to justify your collection of tithes, you have twisted scriptures in dangerous ways. When the bible talked about Melchizedek not having beginning and end, he wasnt equating him with deity. He was talking clearly about his genealogy. But you cant see that because you are bent on justifying your tithe collection. Sad!

christemmbassey: sorry Christ was promoted, 2day he is The high priest, way beyond melchi, phil 2 and God has also highly exalted and gve him a name dat is above all other name in heaven and on earth, so Jesus is nolonger in melchi's rank, again, OMG, WE'VE BEEN PROMOTED TO MELCHI'S RANK, BROS I'M A PRIEST OF THE MOST HIGH GOD. YOU CAN PAY UR TITHE TO ME, but b4 dat, I bless u in the name of Jesus! Nwa! Bring ur tithes £ € $ etc, i no wan nairas o!

Candour: You can see I didn't write an epistle when I answered your question.

The question I asked is simply

Q.since Jesus is of the same order as Melchizedek and we know Melchizedek received tithes HIMSELF, how does Jesus receive tithes today? Again my question is how do you pay tithes to Jesus today?

How do you give Jesus his tithes today?

Don't run away pls

Goshen360: Please change your attitudes. NOBODY here argued tithe didn't predate the mosaic laws but the issue here is, is the tithe before the mosaic SAME PRACTICE AS tithe under the mosaic?

Goshen360: @ All,

I don't know if my observation is right but Zikky is ACTUALLY seeing the 'hidden' deception in Gomb's questions. Gomb is asking questions based on WHAT THE BIBLE DOESN'T TEACH and he's making those questions look like WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES as regards to ABRAHAM TITHE in contrast to LEVITICAL TITHE.

One have to pay close attention to those questions, read the lines well and point out hidden deception in those questions BEFORE THEY CAN OR SHOULD BE ANSWERED PROPERLY.

christemmbassey: @Gombs, if u promise to b HONEST AND SINCERE, then we can discuss.

Bidam: PHEW!! when will you ever agree that tithing predates the mosaic law I ain't the one saying it.It's scriptures bro..Go back to the beginning of the thread abeg.
PHEW

Candour: You're actually very funny. So u haf catch person abi?

Whether blessing or not makes no difference. You and I know Jesus priesthood is superior to Aaron and after the order of Melchizedek. Now answer this

Q.If Jesus is after the order of Melchizedek and Melchizedek received tithes by himself, how does Jesus receive his today?

When you believe the gospel for your salvation. Were u assuming?

I told you I believe they said thank you.accept it like that.

Whether that is blessing or they pronounced a special blessing on the Israelites after receiving the tithes wasn't written so I won't speculate.

Pls I answered or attempted to answer your questions so pls answer my one question up there.

Bidam: The argument is change of law NEVER declared the tithes to be cancelled since the change of priesthood necessitated the change of law.

Infact, Melchizedek example enhances and buttressed the tithe further.Abraham paid a tenth to him.

Levi (hence the Levitical priesthood) is a descendant of Abraham. Therefore, Levi is lesser than Abraham.

Melchizedek is greater than Abraham because he does not descend from Levi, received the tenth from Abraham, and blessed Abraham.

Obviously, the one who gives the blessing is greater than the one who receives the blessing.

Therefore, Melchizedek is far greater than Levi and the priesthood of Melchizedek is far greater than the Levitical priesthood. Further, the scriptures record the death of the Levitical priests. But Melchizedek lives on.

The law of Moses said that the priests would come from sons of Aaron through the tribe of Levi.

If we change the priesthood then we must have a new law in effect. Particularly, since Jesus is our high priest (as the writer has argued repeatedly throughout the hebrew text) then we have a problem because he belongs to another tribe.

Jesus our Lord came from the tribe of Judah, and no one from Judah ever functioned as a priest of God and Moses did not speak about that tribe being a priesthood. So there must be a change of law since there has been a change of priesthood.

Candour: Q: Why then do people say malachi 3v8 was written
to
the those under the levitical priesthood even tho the
speaker talked about blessing u after u bring the
tithes?

A:because it was REALLY and ACTUALLY written to those under Mosaic law abi you heard of a storehouse when Abraham gave to Melchizedek?

Q: did levital priests bless the tithers?

A:I believe they must have said thank you after collecting the tithes. I won't know if you can call it blessing though

My answers in bold. Hope you realise I too have earned the right to ask you my own questions later?

Zikkyy: Please don't go on o! how can Melchizedek be human and immortal? @bolded, i read you saying Melchizedek was still walking the earth at the time Jesus was born that means he is still around today (since he lives forever). Na wa for una.

Zikkyy: You are not saying anything. you said Jesus is a different kind of the same kind (order). that is what you are saying and it makes not sense.

Candour: Gombs, pls go ahead and ask me directly. I won't be struggling to pick questions from a quote to someone else. I'm on a phone.

Pls just type them out clearly and directly.

Thanks

Candour: I can see Gombs is in high spirits today [s] you've gone to brush up on scriptures and believe you can succeed with the tithe for Christians scam. [/s]

Pls go ahead with your questions. I have some time to learn something new

Gombs: [s] Where is Kunle, Christembassey and Candour

Someone should call them, let's not go further into Melchizedek. [/s] We talking tithing and I related Mechizedek to tithing with pertinent questions no one answered. I await answers pls

The descendants of Aaron would be replaced by a
better priesthood, a better priest—and that has
enormous consequences:
"For when there is a change of the priesthood, there
must also be a change of the law" (v. 12).

Q: What law was changed?
A: The law that said only Levites could be priests.

Q: Which law said that?
A: The old covenant.

Q: Do we follow the new Priest?
A: Yes

Q: of which order is he?
A: Melchizedek

Q: Did the order of Melchizedek receive tithe and
blessed the tither?
A: yes

Q: Why then do people say malachi 3v8 was written to
the those under the levitical priesthood even tho the
speaker talked about blessing u after u bring the
tithes?
A:

Q: did levital priests bless the tithers?
A:

Pastor Kun: You go wait tire

Zikkyy: am not through with your case yet. I still don't agree with you in some areas.

for example you cannot be saying Jesus is a diiferent 'kind' and say at the same time they are of the same order.

Zikkyy: @ayoku777, the problem we have is our interpretation of the "order of Melchizedek". Did the scripture described order as structure in Psalms and Hebrews?



You are correct here Melchizedek is a type of Christ based on similarities mentioned above (i.e. king/priest and genealogy), and that is what is meant by Jesus being a priest after the order of melchizedek. Order as used in Hebrews refers to type not organization

ayoku777: Jesus is referred to as David few times in scripture na
Jer 30v8-9, Eze 34v23-24.

Sorry I couldn't type them out.

ayoku777: Yeah, I get what he's saying, I do. It means, Melchizedek is a type of Jesus as a priest just as David is a type of Jesus as a king.

But if Melchizedek is not Jesus, but another individual with no beginning like the Father and Jesus, that would be an extra-biblical revelation.

I think our argument is more of 'Who is Melchizedek?' than it is about 'the order of Melchizedek.'

I humbly and honestly admit both of us are yet to see this revelation in full, that's why I'm not laughing at his views as he is doing.

Thanks bro. Hope you're good.

Alwaystrue: The gospel preached was meant to bring life but it brought death to those who had no faith, so we get to have God's Spirit now to help us see and do as God had proposed from the beginning....that is why God says He Changes Not in Malachi 3;....I had often pondered that in Hebrews 11:10 but your explanations seem to make lots of sense.

ayoku777: This is my last post on this thread unless its not related to this topic.

Jesus is the FIRST and the LAST King and High priest of the Kingdom of God. He is the beginning and the perfection of the royal priesthood. Jesus is the first immortal man. So if he is not Melchizedek, then the other alternative is a greater heresis. There is another self-existent deity.

Now, that's on what I WILL PASS!

ayoku777: And I think this city that Abraham sought for is the kingdom that we are also to seek and preach. I think this is related to the 'eternal gospel' drift you were talking about on one of those threads few days back. That it was also preached to Abraham.

Its still an unfolding revelation to me sha, so I won't be dogmatic.

Alwaystrue: @Gombs and Bidam,
Rather than laugh take time to study what Ayoku is saying. I am telling you that once you spot it, you will be shocked you never saw it before.

ayoku777: I said either it is the individual or the individual is born of the person. That's the meaning of priesthood in the order of anyone, in scripture. So jesus being high priest in the order of Melchizedek means either Jesus is him or Jesus is born of him and since Jesus can't succeed someone that can't die, then Jesus is that Melchizedek. That's why I said it is Jesus. Simple

Can't keep typing the same things again. This is the merry-go round that makes threads LONG.

Bidam: Ok..Where is father melchi now?