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AllGood: @Gombs,

Bro, any good news?

theoctopus: Please I have two questions for you:

1. What is the priesthood in the new testament?

2. Who is the priest that will collect your tithe in the new testament

3. Which of the tithes are you referring to, because there were 3 kinds of tithes for your information

Candour: You always shoot yourself in the foot.

Since you're in Jesus now and the lesser pays tithe to the greater, who is that priest greater than Jesus that would receive tithes from a child embeded in Christ?

Levi paid tithes not physically but because he was in Abraham when he paid to a greater than him, Melchizedek. Now you're in Jesus so for you to pay tithe now like Levi did, [s] Jesus has to do the tithe paying. So who is the greater that will receive tithes from Jesus(with you and me in him) today?
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Goshen360: I should answer all your questions before you wake up tomorrow or at most when I wake up. Cool down, I need to read the thread from where I left off following the discussion. Good night and sleep tight.

Goshen360: I don't understand what you saying here. However,what the writer is saying is, what Paul the Apostle said when he said "in Adam, we all sinned because we're in Adam when he sinned". So, we are made or born sinner,not because we broke any 10 commandments when we were born and in same manner and truth,"in Christ, we are made righteous". Levi did not pay tithe physically but in Abraham.

You've been talking about 'order of Melchizedek'. It's very simple - 1,2,3 are numberic order in which AFTER 1 is 2 and AFTER 2 is 3. A,B,C is an alphabetic order. When you have A following the order of 1,we all know that's another order called alphanumeric. Jesus is 'in the order of' BUT NOT Melchizedek himself.

Candour:

You see why you should be sure of whatever you spue out on a public forum? So to justify your tithe, you have suddenly placed yourself on the same pedestal as an unborn, unformed foetus?

Levi was not a distinct person when Abraham paid tithes so it beats the imagination that he suddenly became your example.

If you wish to use him and his generations as example, why not use their practice enshrined in the Mosaic law?

But you can't because all your tithe premise for Christians will be blown out the window hence your recourse to Abraham's example in the first place.

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[quote]Your example of Abraham paying to Melchizedek also falls flat on its face because since Melchizedek received directly, you can't give Jesus directly.

Don't come up with that drop in church nonsense because you'll need to prove when your pastor became a direct collection agent for Christ.

My Bible tells me am now a priest to my God.

and need no go between so no mere mortal in the mould of pastor has any right to arrogate any superior priestly power over me.

If your pastor can collect tithes, so can I because we have equal rights and status in Christ.

Therefore because we can't pay tithes directly to Christ, nobody pays tithe today.

If you still do, for your info pastor has been chopping your money because he has no bigger right than you to collect it. If you bring to me, I'll collect and chop too.

Cheers my bro

Candour: My dear, I'm not a levite neither am I blessed after the order of the Levites. If you are following after the example of the Levite, then that is a different matter and I'll advice you to upgrade. 'Abraham's blessings are mine, not Levi's blessings are mine' is the song we sing.

The reference to Levi there is analogous to my unborn children partaking in my actions now because they are in my loins. That should be clear to you I suppose.

Are you an unborn foetus? I believe you're not otherwise you won't be talking to me so don't pattern your tithe after the Unborn Levi.

Since you follow Abraham and he gave His tithes to Melchizedek physically, I ask again.

How do you give tithes to Jesus today?

Abraham gave directly to Melchizedek so stop that bringing to church story. You clearly differentiated tithes from offerings so stick to your definition pls

Goshen360: So the law that changed excluded THE COMMANDMENTS TO RECEIVE TITHE given ONLY to the Levites? Is that what you saying?

Candour: You see your gymnastics? Are we talking about Levitical tithing, priesthood or Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek?

Abraham sacrificed offerings on the altar to God but gave tithes physically meaning they are not the same. Don't come with that story of dropping tithe and offering together. Even Mosaic law demarcated them.

Are u paying tithes today because of Abraham or because of the Levites? If you've changed your reference points, let me know.

The OP talked of eternal tithe principle which you obviously refer to Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek. Do kindly tell how you do yours today

If you've jumped back to the levitical tithing in Mosaic law, then we can start from Num 18:21-32. The choice is yours.

You wanted to teach me, so pls oblige this student

Candour: You see your gymnastics? Are we talking about Levitical tithing, priesthood or Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek?

Abraham sacrificed offerings on the altar to God but gave tithes physically meaning they are not the same. Don't come with that story of dropping tithe and offering together. Even Mosaic law demarcated them.

Are u paying tithes today because of Abraham or because of the Levites? If you've changed your reference points, let me know.

The OP talked of eternal tithe principle which you obviously refer to Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek. Do kindly tell how you do yours today

If you've jumped back to the levitical tithing in Mosaic law, then we can start from Num 18:21-32. The choice is yours.

You wanted to teach me, so pls oblige this student

Candour: You see your gymnastics? Are we talking about Levitical tithing, priesthood or Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek?

Abraham sacrificed offerings on the altar to God but gave tithes physically meaning they are not the same. Don't come with that story of dropping tithe and offering together. Even Mosaic law demarcated them.

Are u paying tithes today because of Abraham or because of the Levites? If you've changed your reference points, let me know.

The OP talked of eternal tithe principle which you obviously refer to Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek. Do kindly tell how you do yours today

If you've jumped back to the levitical tithing in Mosaic law, then we can start from Num 18:21-32. The choice is yours.

You wanted to teach me, so pls oblige this student

christemmbassey: bros, don't bother, d guy will nt show, d blow i gave him was too devastating, if he survive, he'l b maimed 4 life. Jesus started at d level of melchi, but when he died, was promoted, and philipian 2:5-11. Now, it did nt stop there, we too were promoted to melchi's priesthood, do u know a christian can forgive sin, will nt die, is righteous, holy, never sin and can not sin? This is d level i was taking him to, unfortunately, he was chocked and dat was it. Cheers bro.

Candour: Abraham your example and my example whose style of tithing you claim to follow today gave his offerings by burning on the altar but when he gave tithes to Melchizedek, he gave the physical tithes physically to Melchizedek. Don't try to play smart pls. You distinguished between tithes and offerings so pls leave them that way.

I repeat the question. How do you pay tithes to Jesus today?

Bidam: After quoting from scriptures two high priest during Jesus and John's era..You now came up with this? Did you follow our trend of arguments from the beginning? Or are you so much in a hurry to jump in and mark your name present?

christemmbassey: allready getting personal? It is well o. Zikky is a confirmed professor and christemmbassey just a graduate assistant, are they d same, just bc both are in unicall?

christemmbassey: then i'm all urs, again, don't run away like joa n ola. . Cheers

theoctopus: You have delved into grave error and heresy with every post you post.

1. If Melchizedek is alive for evermore like Jesus and according to you, his priesthood is like Jesus, then we have two everlasting high priests running in parallel. That is serious heresy you have posted there. You have created for yourself, an immense problem. So as we speak, Jesus is not the only high priest. If that is true, the whole message of salvation falls like a pack of cards. There were never two high priests in Israel. There were many priests but never two high priests. If you have two high priests running parallel today, who do we go to for salvation. What you do not understand obviously is the function of the high priest.

2. Because you are trying so hard to justify your collection of tithes, you have twisted scriptures in dangerous ways. When the bible talked about Melchizedek not having beginning and end, he wasnt equating him with deity. He was talking clearly about his genealogy. But you cant see that because you are bent on justifying your tithe collection. Sad!

christemmbassey: sorry Christ was promoted, 2day he is The high priest, way beyond melchi, phil 2 and God has also highly exalted and gve him a name dat is above all other name in heaven and on earth, so Jesus is nolonger in melchi's rank, again, OMG, WE'VE BEEN PROMOTED TO MELCHI'S RANK, BROS I'M A PRIEST OF THE MOST HIGH GOD. YOU CAN PAY UR TITHE TO ME, but b4 dat, I bless u in the name of Jesus! Nwa! Bring ur tithes £ € $ etc, i no wan nairas o!

Candour: You can see I didn't write an epistle when I answered your question.

The question I asked is simply

Q.since Jesus is of the same order as Melchizedek and we know Melchizedek received tithes HIMSELF, how does Jesus receive tithes today? Again my question is how do you pay tithes to Jesus today?

How do you give Jesus his tithes today?

Don't run away pls

Goshen360: Please change your attitudes. NOBODY here argued tithe didn't predate the mosaic laws but the issue here is, is the tithe before the mosaic SAME PRACTICE AS tithe under the mosaic?

Goshen360: @ All,

I don't know if my observation is right but Zikky is ACTUALLY seeing the 'hidden' deception in Gomb's questions. Gomb is asking questions based on WHAT THE BIBLE DOESN'T TEACH and he's making those questions look like WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES as regards to ABRAHAM TITHE in contrast to LEVITICAL TITHE.

One have to pay close attention to those questions, read the lines well and point out hidden deception in those questions BEFORE THEY CAN OR SHOULD BE ANSWERED PROPERLY.

christemmbassey: @Gombs, if u promise to b HONEST AND SINCERE, then we can discuss.

Bidam: PHEW!! when will you ever agree that tithing predates the mosaic law I ain't the one saying it.It's scriptures bro..Go back to the beginning of the thread abeg.
PHEW

Candour: You're actually very funny. So u haf catch person abi?

Whether blessing or not makes no difference. You and I know Jesus priesthood is superior to Aaron and after the order of Melchizedek. Now answer this

Q.If Jesus is after the order of Melchizedek and Melchizedek received tithes by himself, how does Jesus receive his today?

When you believe the gospel for your salvation. Were u assuming?

I told you I believe they said thank you.accept it like that.

Whether that is blessing or they pronounced a special blessing on the Israelites after receiving the tithes wasn't written so I won't speculate.

Pls I answered or attempted to answer your questions so pls answer my one question up there.

Bidam: The argument is change of law NEVER declared the tithes to be cancelled since the change of priesthood necessitated the change of law.

Infact, Melchizedek example enhances and buttressed the tithe further.Abraham paid a tenth to him.

Levi (hence the Levitical priesthood) is a descendant of Abraham. Therefore, Levi is lesser than Abraham.

Melchizedek is greater than Abraham because he does not descend from Levi, received the tenth from Abraham, and blessed Abraham.

Obviously, the one who gives the blessing is greater than the one who receives the blessing.

Therefore, Melchizedek is far greater than Levi and the priesthood of Melchizedek is far greater than the Levitical priesthood. Further, the scriptures record the death of the Levitical priests. But Melchizedek lives on.

The law of Moses said that the priests would come from sons of Aaron through the tribe of Levi.

If we change the priesthood then we must have a new law in effect. Particularly, since Jesus is our high priest (as the writer has argued repeatedly throughout the hebrew text) then we have a problem because he belongs to another tribe.

Jesus our Lord came from the tribe of Judah, and no one from Judah ever functioned as a priest of God and Moses did not speak about that tribe being a priesthood. So there must be a change of law since there has been a change of priesthood.

Candour: Q: Why then do people say malachi 3v8 was written
to
the those under the levitical priesthood even tho the
speaker talked about blessing u after u bring the
tithes?

A:because it was REALLY and ACTUALLY written to those under Mosaic law abi you heard of a storehouse when Abraham gave to Melchizedek?

Q: did levital priests bless the tithers?

A:I believe they must have said thank you after collecting the tithes. I won't know if you can call it blessing though

My answers in bold. Hope you realise I too have earned the right to ask you my own questions later?

Zikkyy: Please don't go on o! how can Melchizedek be human and immortal? @bolded, i read you saying Melchizedek was still walking the earth at the time Jesus was born that means he is still around today (since he lives forever). Na wa for una.

Zikkyy: You are not saying anything. you said Jesus is a different kind of the same kind (order). that is what you are saying and it makes not sense.