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nlMediator: It seems to me like you did not read the original post. What you described above is redemption. The Op says christians are not redeemed. There was a purchase after redemption, and that's where christians belong. Nobody so far has been able to provide even a decent explanation of this second transaction. For it to be clear, we need to know who the parties to this transaction are. You can't have a purchase without a seller and purchaser.

The OP didn't say the above in bold...go and read the post again...He said

"Observe that the new creation is not the redeemed; [size=16pt] he’s the fruit of Christ’s redemptive work on the Cross."
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Where did you see a second transaction in the OP? Even after you saw this?

"The word, "redeemed" is wrongly translated here (Rev 5v9) ; it’s from the Greek, ‘agorazo,’ which means to go to the market and make a purchase; to buy something as a
gift to give to someone. [size=16pt] It’s not a buy-back, as is the case with "lutrōsis," but a fresh purchase. [/size] Christ purchased us with His blood, and gave us as gifts to God. "



I told you you just wanna argue

nlMediator: Did you read the original post. It's the one that uses the word "purchase" so you're querrying the issue of who he purchased us from and asking if we were ever put up for sale makes me wonder if you are following this topic at all. Second, you suggest that Jesus redeemed us from God, not satan? Even if for the sake of argument we accept that as truth, where does the fresh purchase that the Op spoke of come in? So, after paying the price to redeem us, he paid another price to purchase us afresh? And purchased us from whom this time? These are simple questions and I'm surprised I cannot get a coherent answer.

You obviously wanna argue...if you still don't get it, ask God for the holy spirit to aid you, or you wait when we get to heaven.

The Infallible Manual For Success · Monday, October 7th ·

Pastor Chris

And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified (Acts 20:32).


Joshua 1:8 unveils God’s tested and guaranteed recipe for unending success: "This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success."

There’re several books and teachings on success, that may be helpful on a temporary and earthly basis, but devoid of spiritual insight. No wonder, those who feed on them fail sooner or later for their principles were based on human wisdom. Only God’s Word can make you a true success.

You need the Holy Spirit, the Author of life Himself, to take you through His Word, and help you be successful in life. Psalm 39:5, says "…verily, every man at his best state is altogether vanity." Human wisdom or expertise is not enough to put you over in life. Embrace the wisdom of God. Proverbs 4:7 says, "Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom…"; and wisdom is the Word of God.

The world’s economies are in shambles today in spite of the great work of the best economists and financial teachers of the world. All the economic theories and postulations are crumbling, but God’s Word gives us hope and wisdom. God has given us His Word to teach us how to live a joyous, successful, vibrant, and prosperous life.

Everything you’d ever need for a successful life is wrapped up in the Word; continually feed the Word into your spirit! It’s the infallible manual for a successful, victorious and prosperous life.

Prayer  

Dear Father, I thank you for your Word that’s building me up, and by which I live every day in victory, and prosperity. As I meditate on your Word today, my success and progress are manifested in all things, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: Matthew 7:24-27; 1 Timothy 4:15

Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : Colossians 1:1-23, Isaiah 25-26

2 Year Reading Plan : John 4:19-29, 1 Kings 13

Psl 49
7 None of them can by any means redeem [either himself or] his brother,[size=16pt] nor give to God a ransom for him[/size]—
8 For the ransom of a life is too costly, and [the price one can pay] can never suffice—



Jesus paid our debt...he paid it all the debt we owe God due to Adam's err,


the question u should ask is Who were we indebted to or what was it Jesus paid for? not who he purchased us from...were we put up for sale before?

Matthew briggs: People of the lord praaaaaise the lord. Around 3 years ago I was not a regular tither, in fact I stopped tithing, it was not funny at all. Financial scarcity dealt with me. Menh that period was very horrible for me.

After a personal encounter with God's word, I understood the immense blessing that comes with tithing. I discovered that tithing does not only save me from financial devourers but ensures that the windows of heaven is always kept open for me, for the blessings therein, to fall with out ceasing . After this revelation I became a dedicated tither. Since then the last thing I worry about is lack of money or financial scarcity.

If worse come to worse I halla baba God. I tell him.. "Sir I don do my part, oya do your own!, I know you as God wey no fit fall my hand"....my tithe gives me boldness in front of him when I go asking for his favour. He knows I will not think twice when it comes to investing in his Kingdom with whatever he blesses me with.

Tithing has transformed my life. God now knows he has a stake in my success, he therefore moves mountains to ensure I never lack.


#Matthew Briggs.

Plaaaaaaaaaaaise da Loooooord!

enyoba: hmmmmm,,,,,,,,, am not suprise at all coz [size=16pt] all these anti tithe people are all part of the end time saga that the bible has warn his church about. let him who has an ear, ear what the bible is saying to his church. END TIME TINS , [/size] may we not be found wantin in JESUS name AMEN!!!!!!!

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flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my father in heaven



Glooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooray

My testimony! Whr can I strt frm?

No devil can make me stop tithing...I will tithe till mangoes grow on orange trees

My testimony too much, can't finish documenting it.


Plaaaaaaaaaaaise da Loooooord bledren!

shdemidemi: ^^^^bro, I think we can trace this topic back to the book of Genesis. God chased mankind from the garden into darkness (eastward). The devil became the ruler of the world and from the way I see it mankind moved from one level of evil into a higher level. I believe Jesus came to restore us back into the garden ( this time spiritual Eden).

what garden?
we have come to Mount zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem...hebrews 12v22 not a garden!

Spiritual Eden? where did u get that from? is zion same as "Spiritual Eden"? do u have scripture to back this up?

anyways sha, the point of my post is that Jesus didnt pay the devil anything. we were indebted to God.


i dey meeting now.....brb

^^
Why should you say/think/believe Jesus paid d Devil? How does that sound in your ear?
even after the bible said this in Col 2v15 NLT

15 In this way, [size=16pt] he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross.
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Did the above look like it happened on a negotiating table? It was a War. A battle

We were in debt to God! God gave Adam authority and dominion over ALL things on earth (Genesis 1). Adam sold out to the Devil in that he obeyed the Devils instruction and thus the Devil had the authority of Adam. He had that Adamic authority and dominion over all the earth including the power over death. Adam fell and death came. Since then all man born into earth is in debt to God because of Adam.

But thank God I'm born again...thank God Jesus gave him self up...he went down to hell as a man, defeated the devil as a man, collected the Adamic authority including the power over Death also as a man. When he resurrected from death, the first thing he said
was

"ALL HAIL! " Matt 28v9...I love Jesus. No one spoke like him...he said "Hail me"!

And in verse 18 he said

Matthew 28:18 KJV
King James Version
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying , All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

That's what my Jesus did for us. He paid a high price with his blood, therefore purchasing us from our debt to him self and giving back to us not just the authority the devil stole for Adam, but also gave us the God-life through the Holyspirit. Hallelujah

Its important we know this.

Who then is a Redeemer?

The redeemer is the person who pays the ransom for the debtor. Throughout church history it has been continually accepted that Jesus is our Redeemer, though there has been widespread debate as to whom Jesus paid our debt to.

What is a Ransom?

The ransom is the price that must be paid to God for our debt. The problem, however, is that Scripture plainly says that no human being can redeem the life of another person by paying their ransom to God because only God can accomplish such a feat (Ps. 49:7-15).

So, because Jesus is both God and man, He alone is able to pay the price for our ransom through His sinless life and substitutionary death (1 Peter 1:18-19).



Pls...Jesus did not pay devil anything..For goodness sakes!
We were indebted to God and since we could never never pay back (because Scripture plainly says that no human being can redeem the life of another person by paying their ransom to God because only God can accomplish such a feat (Ps. 49:7-15).), and because He so loved the world of man he gave his son Jesus as a sacrifice to pay the price we couldn't have ever paid!

Gloooooooooray!
I dey church...be right back by 12pm

nlMediator: Quite interesting. I'll like to learn more. So, could you clarify one more thing: Who did Jesus purchase us from - who was selling us and received the purchase price?

[size=16pt] Ye are bought with a price; rather, ye were bought, namely, by Christ; and the price paid for you was his blood (see 1 Corinthians 6:20; 1 Peter 1:18, 19).[/size]


by his blood he paid the price of redemption of man after man fell to Satan through adaam

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Hebrews 9:12
New International Version
He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.

New Living Translation
With his own blood--not the blood of goats and calves-- he entered the Most Holy Place once for all time and secured our redemption forever.

English Standard Version
he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. [/size]

if u dont get it, i will be back.....make i climb altar do yookos segment for church.

i hope u wanna learn and not what others are fund of doing in regards ridiculing the word of GOD

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1 Corinthians 7:23

You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of human beings.

New Living Translation
God paid a high price for you, so don't be enslaved by the world.

English Standard Version
You were bought with a price; do not become slaves of men.

New American Standard Bible
You were bought with a price; do not become slaves of men.

King James Bible
Ye are bought with a price; [/b]be not ye the servants of men.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
[b]You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men. [/size]

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1 Corinthians 6:20

New International Version
you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

New Living Translation
for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.

English Standard Version
for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

New American Standard Bible
For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

King James Bible
For ye are bought with a price: [/b]therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
[b] for you were bought at a price. Therefore glorify God in your body.

International Standard Version
because you were bought for a price. Therefore, glorify God with your bodies.

NET Bible
For you were bought at a price. Therefore glorify God with your body.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For you have been bought with a price ; be glorifying God with your body and with your spirit, which are God's.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
You were bought for a price. So bring glory to God in the way you use your body.[/size]

No Option To The Gospel · Sunday, October 6th ·

Pastor Chris

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek (Romans 1:16).


Every child of God ought to bear the same testimony of the Gospel as Paul in the scripture above. You must be convinced that the Gospel is God’s only saving power, and be committed to its spread around the world. Let’s not act as though there’s an alternative for salvation, for there are no options: "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12). Jesus is the only way: "Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him (Jesus) all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses" (Acts 13:38-39).

Jesus Himself said in John 14:6 (WEB), "...I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father except through me." No wonder Paul said in 1 Corinthians 9:16, "For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me if I preach not the gospel." This is the attitude we must have towards the preaching of the Gospel.

Only through the Gospel is the righteousness of God revealed. "For therein (the Gospel) is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, the just shall live by faith" (Romans 1:17). No one can live a righteous life until he or she accepts the gospel of Christ. This is so because, only through Jesus Christ are men justified by faith, and thus have peace with God. So don’t be quiet. Preach the Word everywhere.

The message of salvation has been entrusted to you (1 Timothy 1:11); you hold the key to the salvation of many around the world, so preach it with conviction, passion, and boldness.

Prayer  

Dear Father, I thank you for your grace that’s manifested to save, heal, deliver, uplift and prosper all those who’ll embrace the glorious salvation that’s in Christ Jesus today, as the Gospel is ministered around the world. Thank you for the guidance and leading of the Spirit for us all, preaching the Word around the world today, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: Romans 10:8-15

Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : Philippians 4:4-23, Isaiah 23-24

2 Year Reading Plan : John 4:10-18, 1 Kings 12

*unfollows thread

Am not saying anything on this topic untill Goshen furnish us with his evidence that I and Jo are same

christemmbassey: so mal3:10 was b4 d law, u see y we call u ppl fraudsters/scammers/profane/filthy lucre hunters etc, u've been unmask n i must confess, U R D MOST DISHONES TITHE COLLECTOR IN NL! its a pity. I'm done with u. Just repent.

Are you blind? Or you chose not to see? Or you just wanna argue?

How many time would I have to explain Mal 3 to you?

Gombs:
Show me where it said in malachi 3v8-10 where
God said his instructions there are for the livetical
priesthood or the Law of Moses.

Go study Malachi 3
At first it talked of a promised messenger in verse
1

In verse 2 to 5 it talked about a time that will
come....a day of Change

It had nothing to do with the law of moses or the
levitical priesthood....

It spoke of the Messiah to come and the day of
Change.

Hallelujah!

Then read d rest of Malachi 3...it had nothing to
do with the Law of Moses

Mal 4v4 is not associated with the tithe in the
order of Melchizedek why bring up irrelevancies in
order to cover up?

Candour: Oh...in case you've forgotten, the thread is about tithe and offerings abi? That's what the reference is for.

Are you pretending not to know?

Help me tell Goshen shame on him

Goshen360: Keep deceiving yourself, people that don't know internet will think same person cannot be online at the same time with two different I.D. Keep deceiving yourself.

Shame on you for lying shamelessly

Candour: Hmmm.......tithe collector trying to twist the word of God for monetary gain.

Where did you see money in that scripture? Must you guys lie in all tins?

^^
Don't mind him!
He is wallowing in intense shame of monumental proportions

Joagbaje: Hmmm an attention seeker . . .

Proverbs 26:17
He who, passing by, stops to meddle with strife that is none of his business is like one who takes a dog by the ears.

Another scripture fulfilled

Glooooory

Joagbaje: Really? . I give you the license to prove this and publish it. Or bury your head in shame . What kind of so called Christians are these?

Shame on Goshen if he can't prove the ISP tin...using lies to justify your falsehood is not a nice game plan o

Goshen360: Deception!!! Isp, isp provider, ip address, all intact...deception isn't good for you. No be only gombe he dey, na mokola....

Scroll through this thread..........check the time intervals btw my post and Jo's

If you are smart you would know that I'm not sitting her with two Tablets typing in Jo's acc and mine...esp if d time interval is less than 2minutes.

I get four hands?

Desperate folks tryin to score cheap points

Joagbaje: Wón fé je mí raw nii. . Flesh will always persecute spirit,

Galatians 4:29
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Gbam...

See folks here fulfilling scriptures. Thumbs up anti tithe crew.

See how you all wanna feast on Jo...when I was here you all crawled back to your holes. Without answering my question you all wanna vent your heavy defeat and embarrassing day on him.


Em its only Christembassey I respond to because he is yet to have a major blunder unlike Candour, Zikky, Goshen and theOctopus who refused answering my questions. One said Melchizedek was born of a woman, the other can't answer my famous 9 questions, etc


Now, Christembassey you have one last chance to ask a sensible question. If you can't I'm done with you all, while I wait for Kunle

Joagbaje: Give one scripture where God says tithes and offerings should stop.

Nice one

christemmbassey: u did nt answer anything, what is ur excuse of nt obeying mal4:4 ?

Cos it is abt obeying Moses' law which I'm no longer under

christemmbassey: if God was talking to u in mal3:10, y don't u follow tro n also obey mal4:4?

Thought I answered you on the other page?

Gombs: Show me where it said in malachi 3v8-10 where God said his instructions there are for the livetical priesthood or the Law of Moses.

Go study Malachi 3
At first it talked of a promised messenger in verse 1

In verse 2 to 5 it talked about a time that will come....a day of Change

It had nothing to do with the law of moses or the levitical priesthood....
It spoke of the Messiah to come and the day of Change.

Hallelujah!

Then read d rest of Malachi 3...it had nothing to do with the Law of Moses



Mal 4v4 is not associated with the tithe in the order of Melchizedek why bring up irrelevancies in order to cover up?

See d link
www.nairaland.com/1456343/tithes-offerings-eternal-principles/23#18598674


Leave him alone o!

Kunle....where art thou?


Your cry babies are here showing their stench of defeat by irrelevant posts.


Emm lemme go and watch Man Utd

christemmbassey: @Gombs, did d Melchi's order CURSE ppl who refuse to pay tithe?

It pronounced a blessing for those who did....do the math if someone didn't

^^
You asking me how he became King of Salem?
Lol

You asking me how he came into d world? Refer the below

KJV: Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.



Ask God if you don't still get it!

The angels were spirit beings, but when they came down to earth and had sexxx with ladies on earth, did they have flesh or not?
If you can't answer this...wait for Kunle. I'm done with u

Pastor Kun: I have two questions for you:

1. How does God define his tithes? (Back up your answer with scripture)

2. Who was the malachi 3 passage addressed to and under what dispensation?

Your attention is needed here

www.nairaland.com/1456343/tithes-offerings-eternal-principles/23

Candour, Zikky, goshen, Christembassy, and theoctopus, don fall their hands tire. They have been put to flight. I begged them to come call you so that you can come and fall your hand.

Guys pls visit the thread and see how the Above anti tithers are confused.


Kunle before that, answer these...your crew couldn't

1. did God physically collected the tithe Jacob paid

2. Did the Mechizedek order of priesthood receive tithe and blessed the tither?

3. Did levitical priesthood bless the tithers? If yes show me scriptures where they blessed tithers

4. If no, did the speaker in Mal 3v8 talked about a blessing?

5 which order of priesthood receives tithe and blesses the tither?

6. What order of priesthood is Jesus?

7. Is the order still in place today?

8. If yes, why ask me why we still pay tithes today?


Heb 7v8 AMP
8 Furthermore, here [in the Levitical priesthood] tithes are received by men who are subject to death; while there [in the case of Melchizedek], they are received by one of whom it is testified that he lives [perpetually].

9. The bible used THEY ARE RECEIVED...meanwhile it was only abraham that tithed to Melchizedek physically...why then did the bible use THEY ARE instead of IT WAS?



Thank you


Umm lemme add, your anti tithe campaign is not doing well o! Judging from this thread, maybe its just you and your crew that aint tithing

Work harder...if you like open 10 thread per minute...e no matter