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Candour: I don't have any more to tell u.

Oya jump up and start rejoicing.

Repeat after me..."

"Shame on me"

Say it to your self every time u think of tithing

Pastor Kun: @God2man
Back to your question of asking for ten churches that have not descended so low as to scam their members of 10% of their regular income using biblical tithes as a cover. I just want to remind you that just as Elisha thought that all of Israel had abandoned God for baal just as tithing churches teach their members to attempt to bribe God with tithe for blessings, God revealed to him that there were still 7,000 men that had not bowed to baal same way some churches today have refused to join the bandwagon and worship mamom by extorting tithes from their members.

Still waiting for you to give me ten good reasons why I should indulge your ignorance.

We have discussed thatt before.....give us ten churches or hide ur head in shame. Beating around the bush is not the answer to the OP's question

Candour: Go back up there and see where i mentioned the church i attend that doesn't tithe.

Are you Processor01 who asked for addresses?

i know your church is a thing of pride. Keep it up bro. The cross of Christ is what i'm proud of. we have different ranking and value systems. i believe you should know that by now

Waiting for 9 more

But see eh God2man this is actually simple

Why can't they (anti tithers) list their churches?

1. Candour-
2. Kunle-
3. Goshen-
4. Christembassy-
5. Enigma-
6. Drummerboy-
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.
.
10.

We wud already have 6 if they would be honest and name their churches. But they can't! WHY? Because either their churches tithe and they feel they are smarter or the don't have a Church they attend!

But in all, if one can't be proud to name their church for the whole world to read/see, that in itself shows they aint proud of their Church or that the Church doesn't exist.

Simple question
NAME 10 CHURCHES IN NIGERIA THAT DOES NOT TITHE, and Kunle and his band of anti tithers are beating around the bush.

God2man: Answering question with question.

Ten good reasons for you to indulge.
Ah! It seems you have forgotten that this topic has been overflogged, recycled, debated, argued, discussed and fought over on nairaland, not only that if you search very well, you will discover that close to 100 threads have been created on this topic.

Gbam!! Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but my father in Heaven!

So, where do i get the 10 good reasons for you. It is a waste of time.

Gbamest
That was actually a trap to change the discuss of the thread

List those hundred churches, i am eagerly waiting.

Me too o!

Abi to list ten churches in 9ja don dey hard pass ICAN exam?

Pls show me where I said there must be others? I said the 120 were like leaders.

U can lie abeg.
U said the 5000 were disciples who later left him because they were 'carnal'.


Abeg I cnt continue.

Cheers

The Holy Spirit: Our Secret Of Success · Wednesday, October 9th ·

Pastor Chris

And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, (Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, and Stand-by), that He may remain with you forever (John 14:16 AMP).


The tremendous miracles, signs and wonders recorded in our Ministry, and the extraordinary impact we make around the world with the Gospel are in no ways by human efforts. They’re the works of the Spirit of God. For example, our Rhapsody of Realities devotional blesses lives daily in a hundred and eightynine languages, and in two hundred and twenty-three countries and territories around the world! This could only be by the Holy Spirit.

In John 14:16, Jesus said, "…I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever." Notice that He said "another Comforter"; that’s because He was the Comforter. However, knowing He’d ascend to heaven after His death, burial, and resurrection, He said to the disciples "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you" (John 14:18). The Greek word for "comfortless" is "orphanos," from where the English word "orphan" is derived. The Amplified version rightly renders it: "I will not leave you as orphans [comfortless, desolate, bereaved, forlorn, helpless]; I will come [back] to you." 

You’re not helpless. The Holy Spirit will make you successful in all things if you’d yield to Him and trust Him with your life. He’ll make you an effective witness of the Gospel. The Master instructed the disciples to wait in Jerusalem until they were filled with the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:49), because He knew they needed the divine enablement to accomplish the task of making disciples of the nations (Matthew 28:19). Hence, after they received the Holy Spirit, they became effective witnesses and preached the Gospel with miracles, signs, and wonders.

In Acts 19, we read how the Apostle Paul affected the city of Ephesus with the gospel; as a result, the Word of God grew mightily and prevailed in a region that was hitherto dominated by idolatry (read Acts 19:11-20).

You become a man or woman of great influence and impact when you learn to live by and through the Spirit. He’s your secret of success. With Him, you‘re certain to make a lasting impact in ministry, business, academics, or any aspect of your life.

Prayer 
Dear Holy Spirit, I acknowledge you as the One who leads me in the way of success and victory. You’re my Comforter, Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, and Standby. I’m confident that following your indwelling presence and ministry in my life, I’ll keep making tremendous progress and enduring impact in all my endeavours, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: John 14:26; Zechariah 4:6

Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : Colossians 2:6-23, Isaiah 29-30

2 Year Reading Plan : John 4:43-54, 1 Kings 15

christemmbassey: stop pretending, bros, why are u like this?

Why am I a tither? Or why am I not on your team? Or why am I in Jos?

Candour: Sharp guy......you can run away eh!!

Yes o. Love and miss Jos

You want me to stay here and debate whether the 5000 were disciples or carnal men? You mean to say the 5000 men excluding women and children all left him and 120 remained? Is dat what you want me to debate?

Or you want me to strt listing out developing projects of churches other than catholic?

Or debate when tithes came into catholic church?

Or debate...


I can't wallow in these na!

christemmbassey: Gombs, seriously, why are u like this?

How?

^^
Funny fellow!

You can twist words eh!

Good thing you have J-Town blood

Switchicgurl abeg wait for me

Candour: Those 5000 and 3000 were carnal people who were running after Jesus because of bread and fish just like you're running after Christ today for breakthroughs, money and other things. The way you talk about tithes is evidence of that. See what Christ said to those you take as good Christian examples

John 6:26-27
'Jesus answered them and said, verily, verily I say unto you, ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves and were filled.27. Labour not for the meat that perisheth, but for the meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath the father sealed'

See what they eventually did when they heard the truth

John 6:66
'From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him'

You too would stop walking with Christ if you are told the truth that Christianity is not a rose petaled pathway.

But wait first...why do you like lying? Y do you love twisting scriptures?
Are you saying Jesus fed 5000disciples? Go study again plz

And how many disciples do you personally have today?

You can't imagine

Your statement also mean that any Church not having a crowd is not a Church sanctioned by God.right?

Try being honest. Where did I say dat?

So Paul lied when he wrote that to Timothy right?

You said he wrote to timothy that everybody has left him...you can lie jooor. Paul had workers everywhere he went. Faithful men and women and also those who caused him grief. How does that equate to the fact that he had few brethren?

[s]
Let me tell you another lie

Some 1000 smart people followed Rev Jim Jones into mass suicide in 1978 thinking they were following a 'man of God'. Also millions of people world wide followed Rev Moon of the unification church thinking he's the messiah. Even after his death last year, they are still following his vision. So my friend, smartness still does not prevent dumb acts.
[/s]

I am God's super intelligentsia,I'm smart, intelligent and I have a sound mind, all because the Holy Spirit dwells in every fibre of my being. He is in my thought and deeds. You should invite him in, He would teach you ALL truth.

And I'm not joking when I said I'm very smart and intelligent. Call it bragging or being braggadocious
, or being whatever...na you sabi. Me I don talk my own-i spoke what I am in Christ

My dear, speaking for myself here, I respect the catholic more than all these your money grabbing Pentecostal churches.

Why?

The good they did and still do for the community is evident even to the blind and not so smart people.

Who said penticostal churches don't do the above?

So you dont like the catholic church yet you put them in your list? Na wah for you.

You can lie eh! Where did I say I hated or don't like catholics? I say the Nicene and apostles' creed a lot sef! Y wud I hate em?

Its just the same way I love DLBC using tithes to feed hungry souls at their retreats without asking for special retreat offerings but that doesn't justify tithes for Christians. Freewill giving is what Christianity is about. Everyman as he purposeth in his heart, let him give....

Why don't you give your tithe freely then?

Ask Christ who said only few would be found on the narrow strait road. Abi you stopped reading your bible at that verse too?

You too lie abeg! I shd ask Christ shey? SMH

P/S; so you be Jos boy? Worked in Jos for over 7 years and played plenty football at st murumba field. I go catch you one of these days

Hard core Jos boy! born and bred. I played football there till I hang boot. I can't wait to catch you, na my area be that. I will get you filled with the Holyspirit.

Candour:

I'm very fine my friend and in perfect health. Nice of you to ask. Just being unusually busy these days.

Alright

[s]
Now according to your twisted logic above, until a 'Church' is big and visible like the ones you listed above, they are not of God. Jesus Christ our Savior must have been a 'failure' in your world because after a whole 3 years of ministry, he had only 120 disciples waiting in the upper room for the Holy Ghost.

Then God too doesn't know how to bring people to holiness because at the time of Prophet Elijah, only 7000 Israelites were true to Yahweh while the congregations of Baal were bursting at the seams.

Then Paul too was a failure because when he wrote to timothy, he complained that he was alone as all had abandoned him. People like Demas and co(probably they went collecting tithes as Paul didn't permit it ).

The Catholic Church doesnt even push tithes the way you do so dont group them together with those pentecostal Churches listed up there. Even the tithes they collected in the past paid for the free schools and hospitals your parents and my parents including the parents of your gods of men enjoyed. Yet none of your churches today can boast of even free primary schools.

If size is what matters, i wonder why you're not with the Catholic Church which is so big that the Pope is equivalent to a head of state and has embassies in all countries. Of course that must mean the Catholic Church has smarter people than all those other Churches you listed above combined together

smartness doesnt mean a thing my friend. we've seen educated people who are dumb. For instance, do you know Ayman Al Zawahiri, the number 2 to Osama is a medical doctor? Do you know Osama himself was a billionaire who had a masters? Do you know how many professors who lectured you and your gods of men are atheists? Do you know Mohammed Atta, the ring leader of 9/11 hijack was on his way to a Phd in Engineering? but his smartness didn't prevent him from that very dumb act. my dear smart people do very dumb things too which explains the 'smart' people who can't read their bibles but wait for a smooth talking dude to give them his own interpretation.

My dear, God doesn't measure spirituality with size or smartness. That is why he chose the wretched of the earth to push the gospel and if you read the history of the early Church, those poor peasants and slaves brought the great Roman empire to its knees. see what Christ said

Matt 7:13-14
'Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:[/b]14.Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and [b]few there be that find it'

I hope your large gathering is narrow enough to fit into the strait gate? otherwise all your tithing and seed sown will only buy you a very big space on the road leading to destruction.[/s]

Jesus won much souls dan you can ever imagine. He didn't have just 120..u could call the 120 his leaders. That's why he said they shd teach everyone whatsoever thing he has commanded them. What abt the 5000 he fed? What abt those 3000, what abt those he taught by the see of Galilee? Etc

Even if he had just 120 folks, he said we would do MUCH MORE than He did if we believe.


Paul was the Bishop(like general overseer) of the 7 Churches in Asia and beyond...timothy was the Pastor of the ephesian church! Go study about Polycarp, iganatius, etc imagine the number of brethren he(Paul) had!

Infact your writ has no point but the usual lies

See as you lovingly described tithes in the Catholic church. why then don't you tithe? Abi the one they collect
is not tithe again? Come to St Murumba's Catholic Church here and see as Father Gyang ALWAYS encourage his flock to pay their tithes.

I gave up at your concluding speech. So the bigger the church the narrower it gets to fit into the 'strait gate'?

Lol

^^
Is that suppose to be proof?
Very believable


Ok I believe you! What next?

christemmbassey: Something just happened last week, pls read and think about. A man who was working for an ex-VC as a gateman, this man was also a church worker(unpaid) his main duties in d church was to keep d church clean among others. He was very faithful in his church duties, i'm a witness bc i live close to his church, unfortunately, d man died after surgery and when d pastor was informed of d burial, d pastor said, his church can nt bury him, dat even though, he was their member, d church can nt bury him bc his tithe record was nt upto date. Pls brethren, is this fair?

Wow, this story is very believable , but...
When a man is a Judge and Jury in HIS OWN court!
I term that as "A serious case of desperation"

Sir, you can do better! The lies are not convinceable!

christemmbassey: are dangote, Gate, Morphet etc members of these xa churches,

Which of them above are Christians?
Who is Morphet? Never heard of him! (Oh! Forgot you cn make up things just for the sake of it )

But let's assume they are ALL christians, do they attend your church?

Why didn't you ee these tithers?
JC Penny , J D Rocafella were known tithers and
donors to the needy.

I never would have been able to tithe the first million
dollars I ever made if I had not tithed my first salary,
which was $1.50 per week.
John D. Rockefeller (1839–1937) was an American
industrialist and philanthropist and first billionaire

"You hear a lot of strange things about tithing. Some say it is a church tax, and they expect me to pay it and that is the end of it. Others say that when I give God one- tenth of my income, He blesses the nine-tenths that is left to the extent that the nine-tenths now goes as far as the whole thing used to go. This isn’t really true, is it?
Suppose a farmer had 100 bushels of corn in the barn
and he decides to plant 10 bushel in the ground. What
multiplies? Is it the 90 bushels that he has left in the
barn? Oh, no. All of us ‘farmers’ know it is the 10 bushels you put in the ground that multiplies. Similarly, it is the 10 percent you give to God that multiplies."

Stanley Tam (1915-), American businessman and
philanthropist

Time won't let me go into others, there are testimonies of famous and wealthy people who credited the returning of tithe to God as the secret for their success and prosperity. Among these individuals are: William Colgate of Colgate Toothpaste, John D. Rockefeller, Sr., Henry John Heinz of Heinz Ketchup, Milton S. Hershey of Hershey’s Chocolate, and James Cash Penney of J.C. Penney.

I can go on and on...Heinz Tomato ketchup, you must know it, Go read about the founder of the company and about his givings in church. No wonder the company has seen all these generations (125yrs).
J. D Rockerfella's company is almost 160yrs old
Google that of colgate and the rest

You should wait for dangote and Gates and their likes to run their companies for this long, then we'd talk.

"With the price of everything else going up these days,
you should be glad the Lord hasn’t increased the tithe to
15%".-Gombs, 2013


There is no rich person that does not give. its impossible
to be rich and not give.
you must give to receive. it is a kingdom principle working for Gates and his likes.

Even wicked people that are rich GIVE,

bros we know ur member, and stolen wealth is nt a qualification and God will nt look at ur loot of national wealth and say welcome home son.

Liar. Do you have proof? Why is it a culture with you and your crew to lie? Just like Goshen said he had proof that I and Joagbaje are same...let me no quote Candour and Kunle now

Gombs, just b honest, is it good to steal from d poor, orphans and widows? Yes or No, will do. Cheers.

It is very wrong to steal from the poor or even the rich, or in fact from anybody! I strongly condemn it


But to you and your crew the word receiving Tithe in your dictionary is synonymous to the word STEALING

What gladdens my heart is that NO MATTER the number of threads anti tithers open on a daily basis, irrespective of how they twist the topic to try and buy solidarity for their cause, they ALWAYS fail. The other thread where they opened to give testimonies about stopping tithing is a good example. Almost all comments are pro tithers. Funny enough, pro tithers don't proliferate threads ie open threads daily asking folks to tithe. God cannot be mocked. He knows his own. He is watching you all!

Name one anti tithe Church that has a global congregation! Or let's leave global level, how many of them have influence (membership base) in the country?

What's even more baffling is that, these tithing churches has brethren that are a million time smarter than folks who seem smart, by saying pastors eat tithes. I'm very smart, I don't do things I know don't work.

In other words, I'm saying to Goshen, Kunle, Christembassey, and their crew are your churches bigger and better than

RCCG
WINNERS
ECWA
COCIN
BAPTIST
METHODIST
CHURCH OF GOD MISSION
DUNAMIS
KICC
SYNAGOGUE CHURCH OF ALL NATION
CHRIST EMBASSY
ANGLICAN
CATHOLIC
DLBC
Just to mention a few

If you belong to any of the above churches and you still don't tithe, because you think you are smarter than those that do, I can understand why, but then let's watch and see how we all(tithers and anti tithers) end.


Emmm, Kunle, Candour has been unusually quiet lately. Hope he is in Good health?

swtchicgurl: [b]Birds of a feather, flock together!!!

Just listen to yourselves! And one of you dare say the 'spirit' is one....pathetic!

No true Man of God will force anybody, whether rich or poor to pay tithe! You all keep screaming pastors, pastors, pastors! some of which are not called by God and you suddenly categorise all men of God under as thieves? Be careful not to bring the judgement of God upon yourselves!

When the widow in Luke 21:1-4,



gave all she had, was she forced? she gave based on the level of her faith! and that's exactly how we are expected to operate. but remember if your faith doesn't not support tithing, be ready to take responsibility for the consequences! also remember, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God....so, pay deep attention to the Word of God and let your faith grow!

In as much as God will not force any man to do anything, no true Man of God will, he can only counsel and encourage.

Everyone is expected to pay tithe of everything! rich, poor, tall, short, president, gateman, whoever! and then, tithe goes to 'levites' which are modern day 'church workers' as the Bible admits that 'the Lord is their inheritance'. so, if no one pays tithe, how will the 'levites' feed? Also, the church can use these funds to help the poor and needy in the midst and that was what the early apostles did in Acts.

Giving to the church or work, either by tithe, offering, freewill offering, firstfruit offering, etc... is basic Kingdom principle and the wise stick to them.

I have already said it that, work according to the level of your faith but be ready to take responsibilty![/b]

*Standing Ovation

*round of applause

#Twale

Goshen360: The Spirit is in deed one. I just thought of same thing and almost start the same thread.

You see someone in need, lack, struggling to make it and survive etc, these pastors tell them to sow seed for 'point of contact' breakthrough.

Why do these pastors feast on people's problem and predicament to make money out of them. You see a widow, orphan etc struggling to pay tuition and they tell them to tithe so that God can then take them out of such conditions.

They make God look like babalawo in deed.

God is watching o.

Why am I not surprised?

Vultures of same bald head feast together- Mungo Park (1785)

Infoscope abeg shift for me...me ma I wan watch aw the discussion go be!

*carefully following this thread!

Bidam: such a shame. Your arrogance concerning scriptures

You are saying the above like you just met Goshen?

He is a veteran in what you described him as, but I like to think he does wanna learn. I pray for him, you shd too

OLAADEGBU: Is this a tactical withdrawal or what?

No, He means "Let me go and think of frivolous things that would make Ola repeat answers evn into the 10th page"

nlMediator: OK, so only the old saints are the redeemed, not us? How do you reconcile that with what you wrote yesterday in post # 10 or so: "by his blood he paid the price of redemption of man after man fell to Satan through adaam". Was it only the old saints that fell to satan through Adam?

And how do you reconcile that quote with your statement now that what Jesus purchased was our debt, not us?

Even more, you contradict the original message here which clearly says in quoting Revelations that christians are what was purchased, not debt.

Finally, whether it is debt or the debtor that was purchased, how do you describe that as a new or fresh purchase, as opposed to old-fashioned redemption or buy-back? If I pay a debt you're owing to GTB, can I describe it as a new purchase? Why can't I say I redeemed your debt?

SMH

Fellowship With Wisdom · Tuesday, October 8th ·

Pastor Anita

Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her (Proverbs 4:7-.


The Word of God is the wisdom of God. The way to fellowship with wisdom is to fellowship with the Word. When the Scripture says to get wisdom, you’re actually being directed to the Word. Wisdom is the principal thing; it’s what you need to be successful in life. Now you can better appreciate why, of all things in life that Solomon could have asked for, when God visited him, he asked for wisdom (2 Chronicles 1:10- 12). He knew that with wisdom, he had it made.

Proverbs 4:8-10 (MSG) beautifully describes some of the awesome benefits of fellowshipping with wisdom; it says, "Throw your arms around her—believe me, you won’t regret it; never let her go—she’ll make your life glorious. She’ll garland your life with grace, and festoon your days with beauty…it will add years to your life." The wisdom of God will promote you, bring you to honour, and give you the distinguishing edge in life. This was what happened with Solomon after he asked God for wisdom. God, along with wisdom, gave him riches, wealth, and honour beyond any king that ever lived on the face of the earth (2 Chronicles 1:12).

Your success isn’t in any government, country of residence or profession. Your success in life is determined by how much of God’s Word you know and put to work. Acting on the Word is functioning in divine wisdom. That wisdom directs you profitably in all things, and grants you insight into reality. The Bible says, Christ has been made unto us wisdom from God (1 Corinthians 1:30); all you have to do is fellowship with wisdom.

Confession  

The wisdom of God is at work in me today! It’s heard in my voice and seen in my actions! It propels me to function with divine insight into God’s plan and destiny for me, whilst dealing excellently in all my affairs, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: Proverbs 4:5-9

Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : Colossians 1:24-2:1-5 Isaiah 27-28

2 Year Reading Plan : John 4:30-42 1 Kings 14

Ubenedictus: if jesus bought us so he can give us to his father, who sold us to Jesus? Who did Jesus purchase us from? Who did he pay the price to in the ''marketplace''?

Scroll up! I've answered this up thr

nlMediator: ^^

Thank you very much. Your comments are quite helpful. But they leave some questions unanswered or raise new ones. For instance, you describe the battle described in Colossians and Ephesians as redemption. For there to be redemption, somebody or something has to be redeemed. So, who was redeemed in this battle of redemption, since you state it was not the christian that was [the] redeemed?

Matthew 27:52-53
"and the graves were opened; and many bodies of
the saints which slept arose, and came out of the
graves after his resurrection, and went into the
holy city, and appeared unto many."

Those righteous folks of old held by the devil...those in Abraham's Bosom ("Bosom of Abraham" refers to the place of comfort in sheol (Greek: hades) where the Jews said the righteous dead awaited Judgment Day)....
My Jesus freed them all, he REDEEMED them during/after the battle in Hell. They are the redeemed!

Also, you note that Jesus purchased us from God and gave us back to God. Is that a correct understanding of your view?

He purchased the debt we owe God, then we became his...now that we are His, He can do whatever He pleases to do with us...He then chose to reconciled us to God. Hallelujah!

" God was in Christ,reconciling the world unto Himself, NOT IMPUTING THEIR TREASPASSES UNTO THEM,and hath committed to us the word of reconciliation"( 2Cor.5:19).

Taking aside the circuitous nature of this transaction, do you realize that if we're indebted to God and Jesus purchased us from God, that is redemption, a buy-back? Which contradicts the idea of a new purchase. Something is still not adding up.

Jesus purchased the debt! God wasn't selling us na! Buying up a debt is different from buying the debtor.

I hope you get it now...pls do

nlMediator: Why do I have to wait till Heaven to get an answer that you and others can provide today? Perhaps, my questions are not clear, so I want to present them this way:

1. Was the christian redeemed or not?

The Christian is NOT the reedemed, he is the fruit of Christ's redemption work. We are the fruit of the redemption work because the bible said in Eph 4v8

King James Bible
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Jesus led captivity captive...he took all of them in chains, making a show of them, disgracing them ; which is expressive of Christ's
conquests and triumph over sin, Satan, the world,
death, and the grave; and indeed, every spiritual
enemy of His and his people, especially the devil, who
leads men captive at his will, and is therefore called
captivity, and his principalities and powers, whom
Christ has spoiled and triumphed over; the allusion is
to the public triumphs of the Romans, in which
captives were led in chains, and exposed to open view

It was after the redemption, after the whole work, that he ascended to make a place for us at God's right hand, that is what we mean by Christians are fruit of Christ redemption work
. We came due to those works

2. If yes, from whom was he redeemed - God or satan?

Like I said above, he is not the redeemed..
He was freed from the clutches of sin. From all that sin inputed in him
(He was delivered from sin’s dominion) through His (Jesus) resurrection life.

3. Was the christian purchased or not?

He was..
He was purchased...His debt to God was bought by Jesus. Jesus paid with his blood

4. If yes, from whom was he purchased - God or satan?

His debt to God was purchased by Jesus

We already know the price (the blood of Jesus). So, some clear answers to the above would be greatly appreciated.

You have them now

Cheers

Kabieosi: [img]http://4.bp..com/-wUQr64Rlz_M/T7Ab5zGqbxI/AAAAAAAABKQ/A5679p9HR8Y/s180/idi-amin-laughing.gif[/img]

Dnt worry bro, I and Goshen are buddies! We've come along way

Tho he accuses me of being same as Joagbaje...aint that funny?

Goshen360: All you have to do is read down the chapter. Jesus further explained what he meant using the same line - "Haven't you heard I said I was going to prepare a place for you"? There's no beef. It's simply the context! Also, you can use Greek syntax or concordance, rooms and dwelling place is not just a place with entrance and exit location.

First time av ever seen your post appear correct in line with scriptures!

My prayers are already yielding results.
I started praying for you when I perceived you have an honest desire for scriptural interpretation unlike some others who don't study scriptures and ALWAYS try to understand the bible by their senses.

No hidden agenda here, but I do pray for u


Hallelujah

OP, Christ is a person, and a place


Let me make this brief!

Christ is a place

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new
creature: old things are passed away; behold, all
things are become new

In John 14:2-3 Jesus said “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”


Many misinterpret this portion of Scripture to mean
that when someone gives his life to Christ or gets born again, God starts building a mansion for him (or her) in heaven.

That’s not true. In the verse above, Jesus wasn’t talking about heaven. He was referring to our place in Christ.

There’re no mansions being built in heaven for
anybody. (I didn't say there aint mansions in Heaven, I said BEING BUILT). The Bible says ALL the works in heaven and in the earth were finished from the foundations of the world (Hebrews 4:3).

The angels aren’t building structures in heaven.
Heaven is a beautiful place, and it’s already been
built perfectly from the beginning of Creation.

[size=16pt] The place Jesus went to prepare for us is our place in the right hand of the Father, where we now sit with Him in the heavenly realms, far above all
principalities and powers. That place is also called
Christ. [/size]

*can somebody shout Hallelujah!

So, not only is Christ a Person, He’s also a place.
That’s what the Apostle Paul alludes to in our opening
scripture. We are in Christ.
We’ve been made to sit together with Him in heavenly
places (Ephesians 2:6); that the place Jesus went to prepare for us and we’re there now. You came into Christ when you were born again; it’s a heavenly realm called Zion, the city of the living God. That’s the city of our habitation:

Hebrews 12:22
“But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city
of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an
innumerable company of angels”

In Christ there’s no sin, sickness, disease, failure,
poverty, defeat, weakness or death; all you have is
health, joy peace, success, strength, prosperity,
beauty and life forevermore! That’s your place of
inheritance; it’s the place of divine authority and
power, where you reign and rule over satan and the
cohorts of darkness.


So when you say “I’m in Christ,” you ought to understand the import of that statement, for it
means that’s where you live; your address is Christ!
Therefore, view the world from there.

You can make this declaration in Prayer:
Dear Father, I thank you, in the Name of Jesus, for
raising me up and making me to sit together in
heavenly places in Christ! Not only does Christ live in
me, I’m in Christ, and I function from the heavenly
realms of glory, as the heavenly man in Christ.


Hallelujah

*Kabashing already