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Lucifyre:
Nah they're not allegory, seeing as your first statement reflects the facts especially through critical textual lens, I'm surprised you're saying they're allegory.

P.S : While typing I think I found the answer to your view of allegory, correct me if I'm wrong. You're obviously a xtain who for some reason also accepts the facts from scholarship through textual critical analysis but you also need to make sense of your xtain beliefs ergo allegory.

I am not a Christian. Stop assuming things. Explain how you came to this conclusion and retrace your steps to read and understand my posts.
This is the issue I have with that Kobojunkie lady,always jumping in and assuming things. Never doing any research!

Meanwhile the earliest Pauline letters was written between AD 48 -AD50.(The epistle to the Galatians)
This information is everywhere but because of obstinate dogma of Christians they keep on spreading ignorance all over the place.

Dtruthspeaker:
Saul aka Paul had to first learn before he could preach. So the Bible's sequence is correct

The main problem I have with Christmas like you is the propensity to spew ignorance and falsehood as the truth. The Internet is free. Books have been written by scholars on thrse issues but Christians are scared to seek the truth about the origins of their religion and the Bible.
It is just embarrassing.
Just goggle the date the first letter of Paul was written vis a viz the first gospel was written.





While there's some debate about the exact dates, scholarly consensus points to Mark being the earliest. Several sources suggest that the Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Luke were written later, drawing upon Mark as a source, along with another hypothetical source called "Q". The Gospel of John is generally believed to be the last of the four canonical gospels, written some timebetween 90 and 110 AD.

Naaa waaa ooooo!!!!
How many monikers do some people have?
Is this not against forum rules?


😆🙃😂🤣😃😀

A sincere word of advise:TAKE ANYTHING PETER OBI SAYS WITH A PINCH OF SALT. HE HAS SEVERALLY PROVED HIMSELF TO BE THE FATHER OF LIES AND FALSEHOOD!

1. I have never met Abacha in my life.

2. I have never met Abacha,until that day.

3. Abacha banged his hand on the tabla,and pointed his finger at me,that I should be included in the task force.



Three different and divergent accounts of the same story by one person. Which account is true now?
The simple fact is that Peter Obi is an unrepentant, pathological liar. He tells so many lies that his memory fails to remember lies he has told before.
The fact is that Peter Obi was a military rule apologist and a military rule benefactor. While others were fighting for democratic rule,he was cozy in bed with General Sani Abacha. A confirmed money launderer for General Abacha.

Kobojunkie:
YOu made an unsubstantiated claim without even a lick of backing, and that is your answer? 🙄🙄🙄

Abeg, I am not in the mood for this nonsense today! Waka pass me! 🙄🙄🙄

Madam,
Retrace your steps up this thread. You engaged me first. Now because you hate the truth or because the truth does not tally with your beliefs and obstinate dogma, you are behaving like an ostrich.
I said do a research on the two questions I raised and you will discover that Paul's letters were one of the sources that Mark used to write his gospel before Luke and Mathew copied him and themselves.
Once again I advise you to do research.

Kobojunkie:
Are you simply here to go around in circles with me or something? 🙄🙄🙄

I already answered these questions, so why are you struggling to answer my one question?

Madam,
I have answered your question. You are the one dancing around into a cul-de-sac. The questions are simple. You are the one refusing to go down the rabbit hole.

Kobojunkie:
1. Where do you get this notion of yours from? What evidence do you have of this claim of yours?

2. I never had such thoughts, and I don't see what relevance they are to this discussion you have opened up.

I am asking you to re-think all you thought you knew. I have challenged your beliefs. There are two questions I have placed before you.
1. Are the names on the gospels the real names of the authors of those books?
2. Which came first: (a) Paul's letters OR (b) the gospels of Matthew,Mark,Luke,and John?
Do your research. It is not a difficult task.

Kobojunkie:
Sigh! 🙄🙄
I answered your question. Now proceed to answer mine.

What makes you think your ideas regarding the man named Paul came before the Gospels? Let's start with that instead.

Paul's letters had been circulating amount early Christians years before the Gospels were written. I understand that it is very difficult to adjust your mind from what you learned from your youth.
I will ask you another question,do you think the gospels were written by the persons whose names are attached to them as authors?
Do you really think those books were written by persons named,Matthew,Mark,Like and John?

Kobojunkie:
Who wrote first? The evidence we have points to the Gospels(at least one or two) being written before Paul came into the picture as a preacher.

What year were the gospels written and what year were Paul's missives written? Forget the sequence in which these books appear in the Bible.
Do proper research and don't rely on the misinformation you have received since childhood.

Kobojunkie:
What makes you think your ideas regarding the man named Paul came before the Gospels? Let's start with that instead.

Answer my question first.
Who wrote first?
Paul's letters or the writers of the gospels?

Kobojunkieee:
Did you bother to read his post at all? OP already confirmed in his writeup that he reads backward like you do.

Reading a book backwards does not boost comprehension; it instead fuels confusion. A parable is a type of allegory, but not all allegories are parables.

IWhy not disregard bibliography and tell me which came first?
The true Pauline missives or the gospels?

Good day.
If you really want to understand the Bible I suggest you read backwards.
Start from the seven confirmed Pauline letters of :
1. Galatians
2. Romans
3.1st Corinthians
4. 2nd Corinthians
5. Philemon.
6. Philippians.
7. 1st Thessalonians

Then

Mark.
Mathew.
Luke.
John.


Most of these stories are allegory.
Once you accept this everything else falls into place.

Godjone:
Tinubu crippling people's businesses with his anti-business and anti-peoople policies. The Baron is only good in sneefing coc and looting in trillions

Are you saying a debtor should not pay back the loan he took from a bank or are you just ignorant of the facts of this case?

Afrobasic:
You are absolutely right. This country is for SW and North. SS and SE are outsiders.

One day sha. This contraption would eventually collapse.

So in your wisdom a person should loan billions of Naira from a bank and refuse to pay back?
Tomorrow if the bank where you kept your small change folds and liquidates and your money is lost you will start blaming the Federal government. You will forget that the bank folded and collapsed because your towns man took a loan from the bank and refused to pay.
Ignorance that stems from rabid tribalism.

Peter Obi has always been a pathological liar. Let him tell the people about the PROFESSIONAL IMPORT DUTY ADMINISTRATORS(PIDA) set up by General Abacha to duplicate the functions of the Nigeria Customs Service.
These PIDA group were in the sea ports on a Decree to wait for the revenue from import and export duty collected by the Customs and then extract a large percentage for themselves on behalf of Abacha.
Obi certainly has a lot of questions to answer on how he aided General Abacha's looting spree in the sea ports.

Christistruth03:
Too many lies

No be Peter Obi be this?


Are you now telling us he was lying against himself?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUCRQBkV0t4?si=q8UFpnVFbHPHR0zd

Peter Obi tells so many lies that he sometimes forgets them. He is a proven pathological liar.
I insist that Peter Obi was in charge of the group called PROFFESSIONAL IMPORT DUTY ADMINISTRATORS which operated under the acronym PIDA.
This PIDA was a body created by General Sani Abacha to duplicate the functions of the Nigeria Customs Service and they were then paid a large percentage of duty generated.
In other words this PIDA group headed by Peter Obi was a bureaucracy organisation of Abacha boys legally appointed by the go ernment to act as a watch dog to revenue generated by the Customs and then fraudulently take a percentage of the revenue generated . This is revenue that should have gone to the Nigeria government purse but was being scammed into private pockets .
Peter Obi was in charge of this fraudulently activity at Tin can Island sea port!

GothamCities:
Can you define robbery? If someone robbed somebody, is it the robbed that committed robbery or the robber?

Tamar rejected her brother's advances but being weaker, was forced and raped. How can you accuse her of incest when she didn't make the move or willfully engaged in it?

Mr Gothamcity,
Is this not you?
Or were you coming in from fighting The Joker,the Penguin and Batman?
I don't like talking to people who have very short attention spans. A written discussion that happened this morning is being denied by the same person this evening.
I have wasted enough time on you.

GothamCities:
Tamar was raped by her brother. She didn't commit any incest.

Gothamcities,
Is this quote not from you or were you just coming in from Gotham City when you typed this statement!

GothamCities:
Yeah, Judah. That was just an oversight.

Your too know attitude is appalling. Please stay humble. There's nothing praiseworthy in pride. My apology is a reflection of humility and not inferiority of knowledge. I've probably read the Bible cover to cover many more times than you do. It is not uncommon to have slight oversights.

Please humble yourself.

Shalom.

Says a person that jumped on my comment trying to lecture me about incest and its application in everyday usage in English language.....lol😁

Secondly your empty booast that you have read the Bible from cover to cover several more times than me is just an attempt to score cheap beanie points. It is not how many times you read but did you comprehend what you claim to have read. However from your attitude on this thread I seriously doubt this.
As I told you when all this back and forth began this is Nairaland.com where the wrong poster always claims to be right and you come across as a typical example of this.
It is no big deal to accept you do not know something because that is the simplest way to attain knowledge.Several times during this exchanges I posted Bible books,chapters and verses but in your know it all attitude,you refused to check these passages and kept on blundering all over the thread.
And as per your jibe about reading the Bible several times more than me,I just chuckle and laugh out loud because from your performance on this thread,I assure you that where your knowledge of the Bible ends is where my own knowledge begins.
My last response to you on this minute issue.

GothamCities:
Oh, my bad!

You're talking about the one that seduced Jacob her father-in-law, pretending to be a prostitute.

I apologize for the misconception.

Jacob keh!
Okay ooo.
I give up.....😆😆😆

The name of the father in law is Judah.
You need to calm down so you don't get these names twisted.
The story is in Genesis Chapter 38.

GothamCities:
Can you define robbery? If someone robbed somebody, is it the robbed that committed robbery or the robber?

Tamar rejected her brother's advances but being weaker, was forced and raped. How can you accuse her of incest when she didn't make the move or willfully engaged in it?

Oga,
Nobody is talking about the Tamar in 2nd Samuel Chapter 13 who was abused by her brother Amon.

The Tamar we are talking about is found in Genesis chapter 38 who disguised herself as a prostitute to engage in incestuous relationship with her father in law Judah.

Argument is NOT knowledge. Educate yourself please. The Bible is a vast book and many names are mentioned in different books severally. I expect you to read the different chapters mentioned and enlighten yourself and while at it try to understand the concept of incestuous relationships. Incest is not judged on guilt but sexual relationships between same family members.However I won't be surprised if you come back with more arguments after all this is Nairaland.com where the WRONG is always the RIGHT!

Moremii:
...my approach to it is highly unconventional, haha.

For instance, I completely reject the Yahweh deity worshipped in the mainstream. To me, he's a fraud and deceiver and he's the one Christ came down to preach against. This doesn't make me an unbeliever though. I still insist that I'm a Christian anyway, because that's literally what I am: a believer of Christ.

I'm sure I've already confused people with my first paragraph and so this is why I've decided to create a thread to discuss what Christianity actually is, because many people think they know what it is, when they actually don't. Everything I will say here is not necessarily strange or original per se, but the average Christian in the mainstream probably (and ironically) considers all of it to be blasphemy. At any rate, I don't see it being spoken about much on here and so I'm writing all this for anyone who, like I once was, is currently filled with nagging questions about his/her faith that just won't go away, no matter the amount of apologetic gymnastics.

Questions will be appreciated all the same. My response time might be erratic because of my irregular schedule, but I'll try my best keep up.

Interesting...
I see traces of Marcion of Sinope in this your write up. He was the first personality in the church to create his own bibliography which excluded the Demiurge God of the old testament.
His own Bible consisted of the gospels and the letters of Paul but the church elders and leaders branded him a heretic and a blasphemer . They confisticated and burned all copies of this Bible and banished Marcion.

However reading your thread further I see that you probably know about Marcion already.
I personally find that most Christians don't know much about their Bible and it's origins and are not even interested in knowing any thing about the Bible, in fact I would go further to state that Christians are scared to research into the history of the Bible because the mind control is very deep
Closely following this thread.

GothamCities:
Tamar was raped by her brother. She didn't commit any incest.

Can you define incest?
The answer is in your post. Lol....😉

Your second assignment is to go and read Genesis chapter 38 because your premise is already flawed. Genesis 38 is the story of the incestuous relationship between a father in law and a daughter in law. Happy reading!

judewrites:
Sin is sin...no sin is greater than the other. Both incest, adultery and murder attracts God's wrath and can condemn anyone to hell.

However, God particularly punished David for his adultery and murder. Remember David was the man after God's heart.

I'm speaking out of my opinion, so your contribution is appreciated.

Like I said :you need to go down the rabbit hole and research these things no matter how difficult it seems .
Why is Tamar's sin of incest exalted in the Bible while Bathseba's sin of adultery is apparently condemned?
Your explanation that it is the:"The word of God" is flawed.
The simple fact is that these books were written by men with personal agenda's ,masquerading as writing under the influence of a God.

judewrites:
📖 2 Samuel 12
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⁹ Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

¹⁰ Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.


In Matthew 1: 1_17, we see a comprehensive list of the generations that eventually produced Jesus in the flesh.

However out of all the names on this list, a particular name is omitted: Bathsheba's_


📖 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias.
— Matthew 1:6

Why was her name not mentioned?

Was she abominable by her adultery with king David? I don't think so.

Tamar committed incest with Judah her father in law, but her name was boldly written in Jesus' genealogy (Matthew 1: 3)

It's worthy to note that Bathseba was identified by her husband's name: Uriah_ and not king David who later married her.

God is perfect (2 Samuel 22:31 Psalm 18:30) Therefore He's incapable of mistakes, therefore His WORD is perfect_

📖 The law of the LORD is perfect...
— Psalms 19:7

I believe God didn't mention her name but used her husband's name to remind us all of the troubles that befell David to this day several years after his adultery and murder of Uriah.

It's sad that many men and women today refuse to heed God's perfect Word and live an adulterous lifestyle... thinking they are enjoying life.

But God cannot be fooled.

It is funny how Christians argue points in a circular manner.
1. Tamar engaged in incest .
2. Bathseba engaged in adultery.
3. The assumed writer of Mathew's gospel decided in his wisdom to mention Tamar who committed incest in the genealogy of Jesus but for reasons best known to him alone decides NOT to mention Bathseba in the genealogy but rather identifies her through the name of her murdered husband Uriah.
4. In conclusion incest is a better sin than adultery because God cannot be fooled .


This is the manner in which some Christians make circular arguments that are contrary to all forms of logic.

Christians need to open their minds and proceed to go down the rabbit hole. It costs you nothing to research the SYNOPTIC GOSPELS PUZZLE to understand that the writers of Mark,Matthew and Luke were scribes who were not witnesses to the ministry of Jesus and and such either 1.Copied the accounts from one another. 2.Copied the accounts from the same sources. 3.Relied on oral traditions.

Each of these nameless writers wrote their accounts from a particular point of view and with a decided agenda from the beginning.
Mark which was the first gospel written was obviously written with the aim of telling the Jesus story with no frills and direct to the point while Mathew's gospel which obviously was copied from Mark had an agenda to tell the story from a Jewish stand point. Luke on the other hand copied both Mark and Mathew and embellished the Jesus story from the Gentiles point of view. The gospel of John on its own part is a story for another day.

Kushites:
You people just come online and type all sorts of nonsense.

As we speak there is a Battle for Victor Osimhen’s signature between Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea, Juventus and Al Hilal!

They have all held talks with him, and it’s left for him to Choose where he wants to go.

He’s just in Napoli as a formality before he leaves.

Do you people even check the news about Osimhen on Google before coming here to type all this stuff?

You don’t read or research anything, but you are full of ‘opinion’.

Osimhen is very likely ending up at Liverpool this season.

You people just come on line and type all kinds of insults forgetting you don't have the monopoly on insults. When you lack knowledge on issues your first resort is Insults.
This is why the country is where it is because the average Nigerian does not do any research on issues but relies on lies,propaganda and innuendos which are the work of his agent placing false information in the media to work the clubs against each other but apparently it is not working because most of these clubs are limited in what they can spend due to financial fair play rules. If Oshimen ends up at Liverpool on a permanent contract and not a loan,I would be pleasantly surprised because the facts don't point in that direction.
Oshimen is a professional footballer and a good one at that however no coach trying to establish discipline in his camp would take a risk of a permanent football contract with a player with so much circus and social media baggage that surrounds him for an astronomical transfer fee.
I hope he gets a good club but from my nonsensical view point according to you the facts point to another loan deal until the Napoli contract runs out.

Runaway:
He should just leave for another club. Conte don't like Nigeria players. He did to to Mikel at Chelsea, now Osimhen.

Lol....😁
Conte does not like Nigerian players indeed.
When Conte converted Victor Moses to a rampaging wing back and won the league with Chelsea,did he hate Nigerian players?
A good coach uses his best players because the target is to win games and amass points on the log.
The simple point is that as good a player as Victor Oshimen is,he comes with a lot of unwanted baggage. The circus of so called Nigerian Internet influencers he rolls with is an clear and obvious distraction that no serious coach would want in his camp. The fact that no serious club wants to sign him except for short loan deals is self explanatory.