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EXPRESSSMAN:
You are the one contradicting yourself. You cannot talk of Israel without making refrence to the Bible. The Isrealities are also known as the Bible nation. Whether you believe the Bible or not does not make any difference.
You said the present Isreal is not linked to the biblical Israel. And I asked you whether the whole Jews died at a point without offsprings and you are talking of another thing instead of answering the question.

The Israelites believe in Judaism. Most of them dispute the new testament of the Bible. Most of them dispute the Jesus of Christianity therefore they can not and are not the Israelites of the Bible.
It is Africans like yourself who are ignorantly mixing things up about a religion that was imported and superimposed on your culture and this is the same for all the Abrahamic religions.
Once again I advise you to remove all your prejudice that was imposed on you from your youth and go down the rabbit hole and investigate the history of the Bible.

Dtruthspeaker:
It is you who fails to comprehend. You have just said that "This verse is talking about the disciple whom Jesus loved" is this not proof that it means that this disciple called John was present with Jesus and therefore he is a very good witness?

Comprehension issues.....MUCH! MUCH!! MUCH!!!

Dtruthspeaker:
Clearly your allegations are empty showing that your only complaints is that they were illiterates.

And clearly you real eyes that it does not make sense to say that an illiterate cannot be a good witness hence your difficulty in continuing your line of reasoning.

Further, the bible did not say that they wrote it themselves having also stated that they were fishermen. But Mathew, being a tax collector clearly means that he is literate.

Are you saying Mathew the tax collector wrote the gospel of Mathew?

This book was originally written in Greek.
Mathew spoke Aramahic.
Make it make sense. ..

Dtruthspeaker:
Acts 5:32 and Acts 10:39 directly tells us that they were witnesses which is what their direct testimonies in their books also prove.

So, I am definitely interested in seeing what made you think that they were not present when all these things happened for I thoroughly examined their reports and i did not find any thing that was out of place.

So, what did you find that made you think that they were not there to witness these things?

So because the illiterate fishermen witnessed the ministry of Jesus,it means they constructed and wrote the complex stories in the gospels of Mark,Matthew,Luke and John in Greek when their native language was Aramaic?

Lol...😁😁
Don't worry, although I know the indoctrination is deep I am ready to lead you deeper down the rabbit hole.
You must see the light.

Dtruthspeaker:
This statement is saying that he wrote these things. Even Google A.I is saying so

AI Overview+2
John 21:24 serves as a concluding statement in the Gospel of John, affirming that the disciple who wrote the book, traditionally identified a[b]s John, is the one who testified to the events described [/b]and that his testimony is true. It emphasizes the reliability of the Gospel as an eyewitness account and a true record of Jesus' life and ministry.

So you are in error

You and the Ai you are relying on have obvious comprehension issues.
This is why I seldom rely on Ai because it is easy to decieve and mostly comprehends what the questioner wants it to say.

Go back to the beginning of the Chapter. This verse is talking about the disciple whom Jesus loved who is actually the source of the story the person claiming to be John wrote as a gospel.
Read to understand. The passage is not written in Greek or Latin.

So many incestuous and sexually explicit stories in that religious book.
My personal favourite is the one between father in law and daughter in law between Mr Judah and Mrs Tamar that produces the bastard off spring masters Perez and Zerah that occurs at Genesis chapter 38.

Go ahead and look up Genesis chapter 38 in the Bible.
You will never see pastors read out that chapter during Sunday service.....lol....😂

Below text is quoted from the last chapter of the gospel of John which confirms from John's own hand that he was not a witness to the events but relied on hearsay from others.
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24This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.

25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]

Dtruthspeaker:
If you accept Paul's report, then you would have seen that Paul corroborates the reports of the disciples for even his own story starts on the basis of a disciple.

So, if you accept Paul then you must accept the disciples and their corroborating testimony.

And since you allege that none of the disciples were witnesses to Christ and all, I would like to see what proof
you have of them and I hope you are not going to say that it was the Romans who created it. That proposition was bursted.

I am not accepting any of the reported accounts of the Jesus ministry as being true.
Not Mark,Matthew,Luke,John or even Paul. I am simply saying that based on the writers ups Paul who claimed to have had a visionary encounter with Jesus that left him blinded on the road to Damascus had a more close hand message about Jesus ministry than the purported writers of Mathew,Mark,Luke and John because they were never witnesses to the events they reported. They relied on oral traditions and hear say,In fact John states this clearly at the end of his own account of Jesus ministry that he was not a witness to the events he reported on.
On the other hand Paul claims to have had a personal encounter with the spiritual Jesus on the road to Damascus. In fact Paul talks about this spiritual encounter in most of his missives.

Dtruthspeaker:
People may not be able to conclusively state which human wrote the bible. But what is clearly evidenced is that it is written by Person/persons, Who/who was there at the time the reported events occurred.

And persons named Mark,Matthew,Luke and John or whatsoever names they might have had where with the Person called Jesus Christ.
That is the bottom certain line.

None of the purported writers of the gospels were witnesses to the events they wrote upon. That is why even though the four gospels inserted I'm the Bible are clever copies of each other the writers super-imposed their own agenda and believe over the message of Jesus.
In fact it may be argued that Paul had a more close encounter with the message of Jesus on the road to Damascus than the writers of the gospels who did not know Jesus but relied on hearsay and oral tradition about the activities of Jesus more than 50 years later.
None of the writers of the gospels were witnesses. Stop misleading people!

EXPRESSSMAN:
Why is it absurd for you. Is it that after the biblical times, all the Jews died off, no reproduction of new humans?
Well, they are the offsprings of the biblical Jews because their life did not stop at any point. Secondly, the Bible predicted all that is happening in Israel to the present day. The restoration of 1948 and all the wars that followed till date were predicted by the Bible.

Lol...🫤
The fact that the Bible is your point of reference in this discussion makes me realise there is no need for me to engage you any further in this discussion.
Even Benjamin Netanyahu would never point to the Bible as his point of reference in the present day conflict. However you are free to make the Bible your point of reference.
My sincere advise to you is that you do research on these issues. Your first assignment should be to find out the origin of the Bible itself.
Lol.....😊

360degreess:
It is not.You see many Africans are ignorant about the Jews.The Jews practice Judaism as their religion and it is not the same as Christianity.The Jews hate both Christians and Muslims.Infact, they consider Christianity as the most downgraded religion.Do you know that there are far more Muslims in Israel than Christians?,also there are far more mosques in Israel than there are churches?. But most Christians are not aware that is why they see Jews as their gods.

Lol...😂
It is absurd for any person in this modern age to think the Israelites mentioned in the Bible and the Jewish Tanakh are the same as the modern state of Israel created at the end of the 2nd world war on the 14th of May 1948.

TheMadame:
Interesting take. Thanks a lot.
My conclusion on this issue two years ago before the fanatics took over and tried to derail the thread was that almost every ancient civilisation has this creation stories in one form or the other because mankind always try to explain their etymology.
So it would not be a strange thing if these oral traditions and myths were copied from each other.

Thank you for your take on the issue and the enlightenment. Appreciated.

Read up on the writers of the Bible OT. Scholars who dedicate their lives to study of the Christian Bible have found that these books were written by various writers and edited and named by those who cobbled the Bible together.

You may like to ask yourself if it is possible for Moses ro have written the book of Deuteronomy and then recorded his OWN DEATH in Chapter 34 verse 5 ?

The simple logical truth is that the editors and compilers of the books of the Bible just decided to affix names of religious leaders to these books. It doesn't mean the person whose name is affixed to a book wrote it.

There is no evidence that the gospels were written by people named Mark,Matthew,Luke and John. The editors and compilers of the Bible who were the early leaders of the Church decided to affix these names to these books because they were names of disciples of Jesus.
Close study of these gospels shows that they are just clever copies of each other with each individual writers embellishments to push individual ideologies and agenda's.

Dtruthspeaker:
So because CNN reports Benue murders before NTA, the report is a myth?

Secondly, you admit that the bible was compiled, does that not tell you that it means that they their own report is independent, especially as the report flows from 1,2,3,... different from the Babylon accounts which are even suspected of being created for the purposes of making people like you think the way you are?

Educate yourself and stop running all over the thread constituting a nuisance.
My last response to you.

TheMadame:
Good day brothers and sisters,
I have always been interested in why there appear to be two different creation stories in the book of Genesis.
One story is recorded in Genesis chapter one and the other story is recorded in Genesis chapter 2.
In the Genesis chapter one story the Almighty omnipotent and omniscient God wills everything into existence, while in the account in Genesis Chapter two,God appears to be more closer to his creations and appears not to be so omniscient .

These are myths plagiarised from earlier myths from ancient Babylonian Civilisations that existed long before the Bible was cobbled together. The two creation stories in Genesis chapters 1&2 are written by two different writers. If you study the two chapters carefully you notice that the writing style and composure are vastly different. One writer talks about the creation being the work of the Eloihim while the second creation story is credited to Yahweh. These are two different deities in fact the Go's El is a superior God to Yahweh but some how over the course of history the Jews replaced El with Yahweh as the main God of Israel.
My point is that these two creation stories which have their source in ancient Babylon are written bu two different unknown authors. The compiler / editor of the book of Genesis decided in his wisdom to join the two stories in one book as if they are a continuous story.
These are two different stories describing a single event from different perspectives of two different writers.
Once you understand this point the mystery disappears. There are no originals of these Bible stories that are stories that have been translated,copied,re-copied,edited,redacted and mistranslated ad nauseam. These are basically the words and thoughts of humans passed off mischievously as the infallible words of a God for mind control.

Lekison:
Source: https://thenationonlineng.net/we-caught-ipob-members-eating-human-flesh-says-dss/

Lol.....😊😊😊

The prosecution is slowly and steadily building up incontrovertible evidence and a devastating case against Nnamdi Kanu.

1. Illegal importation of a German transmitter without legal licence from NBC in order to broadcast treasonous and seditious messages to his IPOB hordes.
2. Using same illegal transmitter to broadcast messages to his IPOB followers and direct murder and mayhem through its murderous military arm ESN.
3. IPOB members under explicit directions of Nnamdi Kanu engaged in murder and cannibalism of their fellow tribes men.
4. IPOB members under explicit instructions of Nnamdi Kanu engaged in murder of various security agents from all the arms of the Nigeria armed forces.

This case must proceed to its logical conclusion. No soft landing for any terrorist!

Mrviktor:
Our first 12 games are bloody..

17 Aug: Arsenal (H)
23 Aug: Fulham (A)
30 Aug: Burnley (H)

13 Sep: Manchester City (A)
20 Sep: Chelsea (H)
27 Sep: Brentford (A)

4 Oct: Sunderland (H)
18 Oct: Liverpool (A)
25 Oct: Brighton & Hove Albion (H)

LOL....
We all know how this story is going to end except we are deluded.....LOL...

idanone:
One things is certain we the youth will give. Obi another trial come 2027. I still believe he is the best candidate.

Can you give reasons for this belief that Peter Obi is the best presidential candidate?

43Ronin:
That's why they moved it there. People have been leaking the proceedings online and are begining to see that the buhari FG had bullsh1t charges which could not stick in any court. That's why nepotism is bad. If merit was employed, the FG would have been able to get him with sound lawyers & law enforcement.

Oga
Read and understand.
They are moving to the DSS facility temporarily to inspect the 40 foot container Kanu imported into the country illegally to broadcast his hate speech insurrection and treason.
Or do you want the DSS to transport a 40 foot container to the court when the court can simply relocate to the DSS facility to examine the exhibit?

gidgiddy:
Funny thing is that to import a Radio Transmitter into the country is not illegal

It may not be illegal if imported appropriately however what is the radio transmitter being used for?
Is it for sedition,treason,insurrection, and transmission of hate speech?

This case must get to its logical conclusion. No amount of IPOB propaganda can deter the court and the legal system.

wanimo:
nothing will happen and nothing will change. The agitation won't stop. In fact jailing him will fuel the agitation.

Kidnapping Nnamdi Kanu from Kenya introduced Simon Ekpa. Maybe the next introduction would have an out regional agitation.

Biafra is bigger than any single individual.

More Simon Ekpas and more Nnamdi Kanus will come outside.


It's not chest beating, it's telling you the realiy

At bolded,
Are you not an Ibo man? What stops you from following in their foot steps and taking up the gauntlet of terrorism and treason against your country ?
The appropriate law is there to deal with you and any other misled miscreants.

Lol....😁😁😁

gidgiddy:
https://punchng.com/release-nnamdi-kanu-ohanaeze-urges-fg/

Lol....🤣🤣
Empty chest beating as usual.
When Nnamdi Kanu was instigating insurrection and carrying out a treasonous campaign of terrorism on his country Nigeria,where were all the elders in Ibo land?
When Nnamdi Kanu instigated murder and Mayhem on numerous citizens of Nigeria and in particular his own Ibo people, where was this Ohaneze group?
When Nnamdi Kanu continually breached national security,where were all the political leaders of Eastern Nigeria?

Nnamdi Kanu MUST face justice in court.
The case is before the law Court.
Let the case proceed to it's logical conclusion.
If the law courts find Nnamdi Kanu innocent then let him be set free to go home and become a useful citizen of Nigeria. However on the other hand,if the law courts find Nnamdi Kanu guilty,then let the full weight of the law be brought down on his head appropriately.
Full stop.

mrvitalis:
I have only one watch for the past 17 years

Now u judge

Men like this should never be allowed to hold power

No amount of spin can eradicate the bolded.
Should crass incompetence and utter failure be rewarded with promotion to a higher office?

The interview Obi granted on ARISE TV to his acolyte Rufai Oseni was cringe worthy and devoid of any worthy political or economic solutions to any of Nigeria's socio political issues. It is glaring that Obi has nought to offer the polity. It is clear that his emptiness is being bolstered by his Ibo tribesmen like yourself because of your rabid uncontrollable tribalism!

gidgiddy:
You guys keep talking about Igbo coup, the coup happened 18 months before the civil war

What about the lopsided Hausa/Fulani coup of Murtala Mohammed? The same Murtala Mohammed was put on the N20 and has Airports named after him

What about the lopsided Fulani coup of Buhari? The same Buhari was elected President twice

What about the lopsided Dimka coup?

The coup was not what caused the war, people put in things to prevent war, which Gowon and his Northern elements put aside to fight war because they wanted control of Nigeria

No amount of spin,propaganda,lies,falsehood and double speak can erroneously change the facts that the main cause of the Nigeria-Biafra civil war was the January 15th 1966 Ibo coup carried out by the military wing of Nnamdi Azikiwe's NCNC party with the main point heads being Majors Ifeajuna and Nzeogwu. The ultimate aim of which was Ibo domination and Ibo supremacist agenda.
Any other cause are elementary to this Ibo coup of January 15th 1966.

mrvitalis:
Show me where I condemned obi governance of Anambra and get 200k

It's obvious you don't understand English

Should I type it in Yoruba ?

It is obvious that apart from your rabid TRIBALISM,you equally suffer from COMPREHENSION issues.
When it comes to English language I assure you that you are a Lilliputian beside me and where your final knowledge of English ends is the point where mine begins.

Once again I repeat NOT everybody is a money monger. Not everyone is enticed by money. Not everyone is Ibo.
Some of us can't be bought with filthy lucre and that 200 thousand Naira you are waving about as an enticement is just a pittance of £100 in the environment where I live.

Finally Peter Obi is a confirmed failure based on his antecedents. He was given 8 years as a governor in Anambra State and ended up as a colossal failure!
So I ask you again:What has changed that qualifies Peter Obi to aspire for a higher office of President except your primordial TRIBALISM?
Should crass incompetence and failure be rewarded with a higher office?

akelicious:
The Governor of Anambra State, Chief Willie Obiano has revealed that contrary to the sanctimonious posturing of his predecessor, former governor Peter Obi,

the state was saddled with a huge domestic debt of N127bn when Obi left office in March 2014.

Speaking in the Governor’s Lodge, Amawbia on Tuesday, Governor Obiano explained that his silence over the monstrous debt his predecessor sought to tie his hands with had been mainly because he did not want to allow his regime to be distracted at inception so that he would concentrate on the delivering his promise of good governance to Ndi Anambra.
According to him, the N127bn debt came mostly from the 101 road contracts that the former governor hurriedly awarded at the dying minutes of his regime without making any provision whatsoever for them in order to wrong-foot his administration from the very first day.
Governor Obiano further listed other disingenuous designs by his successor to make sure that his regime never really took off as the last minute employment of 6000 workers without provision for their welfare as well as the various hotels and independent power projects which he had no plans to complete.
He however revealed that he has quietly completed 51 out of the 101 roads that Obi saddled him with and assured Ndi Anambra that the remaining 50 would soon be completed too.
Governor Obiano’s revelation came on the heels of the growing inconsistencies in the figures being thrown up by former governor Obi which have left many discerning observers wondering just how much the former governor actually left behind.
They point at Obi’s sudden volte-face from his earlier declaration that he handed N75bn cash to his successor to declare at the flag off of the PDP campaign in Onitsha yesterday that the actual amount he left when he handed over was N48,626bn.
While delivering an address that has been mostly castigated by political analysts as suicidal, former governor Obi was caught on camera saying “when I was leaving this place, we left in savings N26bn. We set aside for important projects, N23,629bn. If you put the two together, it will come to N48, 626bn.”
The former governor’s contradictory accounts of the exact amount he bequeathed his successor leaves huge gaps in the emerging narrative of dubious accountability and an even more doubtful integrity.
This becomes more so in the light of the revelation that in former governor Obi’s so called N75bn handover are embedded all manner of moribund and toxic assets which the former governor cleverly reported as profitable investments in the handover note.
For instance, Obi’s reportage of the 16.5% equity stake in Emenite, a fibre cement roof and ceiling manufacturing company set up by the Premier of the old Eastern Region, Dr M.I. Okpara which was shared between the five states that made up the old Eastern Region as part of the trumpeted investments he had handed over to Obiano is nothing but pure fraud.
Observers also complained that it speaks volumes about Obi’s vaunted integrity to realize that the former governor also reported that he had invested the sum of N3.5bn in Interfact Beverages Limited when in reality what he invested was N1.4bn only. This followed Governor Obiano’s announcement that his administration would soon revise the discrepancy to reflect the actual equity stake of the state in the company.
Other dead bodies buried in Obi’s handover note include the N9bn involuntary investment in the Nigerian Independent Power Project, conceived in 2004 by the Obasanjo regime which the Federation Account was charged to fund on behalf of the 36 states of the federation. One wonders how this investment could have found its way into Obi’s phantom savings that he handed over to Obiano in cash.
Other components of Obi’s “famous” N75bn cash handover include the N4bn estimated value of the land resources of Anambra State on which the oil installations of Orient Petroleum Resources stands which Mr Obi “cleverly” converted into the state’s

http://www.akelicious.com/2017/10/breakingpeter-obi-left-me-with-n127bn.html?m=1

OBI!
OBI!!
OBI!!!

Importer and exporter for NEXT CASH AND CARRY SHOPPING MALLS IN PORT HARCOURT AND ABUJA........

LOL......😂😂😂

gidgiddy:
Gowon keeps making all these statements about how the civil war was a difficult time for him, how he was fighting for the unity of Nigeria, and that the war was not about hatred for anyone

Who does this man think he is deceiving in this social media age? The man is in his 90's but still thinks we are back in the stone age when information was from propaganda? Lying through his teeth.

Gowon should tell Nigerians the truth, not continue with the same lie on which he justified killing millions of people for a non-existent unity

Gowon should tell Nigerians why he did nothing as thousands of Easterners were being killed in pogrom, all over Nigeria, particularly in the North.

Was it because Northerners were the ones doing the killing?

Gowon should tell Nigerians why he broke the agreement he signed with Ojukwu in Aburi, Ghana. An agreement that was supposed to restructure Nigeria, keep the country one and prevent war. Thereby causing war.

Is it because the agreement prevented Gowon and his fellow Northerners from getting political control of Nigeria?

Gowon should tell Nigerians that he was the one who declared war after Ojukwu declared Biafra, and that he waged this war not primarily because of the unity of Nigeria.

But because of oil. Had the oil been in the North, it would have been Gowon who would have declared Arewa Republic long before Ojukwu declared Biafra. The only difference is there would have been no war as many would have been happy to see them go with their oil.


Gowon should stop these lies he keeps spewing about the war he caused. The war was not about Nigeria's unity, it was about the political and economic control of Nigeria by the North

Lol...😁😁😁

On your job as usual playing the victim and twisting history of the civil war.

Actions beget reactions.
The precursor of the Nigeria Biafra civil war was the bloody and one sided murderous IBO coup of January 15th 1966 which was carried out by acolytes of Nnamdi Azikiwe's NCNC party in the Nigeria Army.
This military wing of the NCNC party had its point heads in Majors Ifeajuna and Nzeogwu who recruited and misled other rogue elements in the Nigeria army to kill the political and military leaders of all other regions except their own.
The aim az usual with the Ibo was domination and ultimate Ibo supremacy.

This January 15th 1966 coup was the genesis of the Nigeria civil war and the deaths thereafter. Any other causes of this war are secondary and not as relevant as the main issue which was the tribal fueled Ibo coup of January 15th.

mrvitalis:
Show where I said he failed as a governor and get 200k

I repeat no amount of spin or double speak exonerates the fact that you condemned the abject and calamitous 8 years of Peter Obi as governor of Anambra State. You opened this thread in 2017 condemning Obi's failure as a governor. So what has changed in 2025 that qualifies Obi to be president of Nigeria except your blatant TRIBALISM?
Obi granted an interview on ARISE TV just a few days ago where his void and emptiness in all ramifications was glaringly exposed once again. All questions thrown at his were deflected by his emptiness.

Finally I find it grossly insulting and condescending that you feel that 200 thousand Naira is my problem which is just £100 where I live but then it is a common trait of the typical Ibo to think you can buy every person's conscience with money! Money!! And more money!!!

mrvitalis:
I have only one watch for the past 17 years

Now u judge

Men like this should never be allowed to hold power

@ Mrvitalis,
In 2017 you said that Peter Obi failed as governor of Anambra state. What has changed for people like you to start projecting such a political failure as the president of Nigeria??
No amount of spin or double speak gets you out of this except the fact that you are a tribalism!

mrvitalis:
Obi has always said he built houses when he was in school

The present sultan was his tenant

He has always maintain he has one just one personal house in Nigeria and that's his official house in Onitsha

This same Obi that lies from all sides of his mouth......




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW9jynFIKK8?si=sfSx_SwD3uns89l1







And by the way Mrvitalis, this thread was opened by you a few years ago. It makes interesting reading.
The only reason you are supporting Peter Obi is because of tribalism!

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https://www.nairaland.com/3773717/hypocrisy-peter-obi

mrvitalis:
Poor man he said personal house... Obi has over 300 shops in trade fair alone

Smh

Keep to the specifics of the ARISE TV interview with Oseni Rufai or better still rewatch it to refresh your memory which obviously fails very quickly because I remember you opened a thread on this same Nairaland.com lambasting the dire and abject performance of the same Obi as governor of Anambra state for 8 years.


Back to the issue on hand. Obi in that abject interview categorically ststed that he has ONLY ONE house in Onitsha and that if the authorities see any other house in his name anywhere in the world it should be confisticated.

That house in London was from the proceeds of money laundering for General Sani Abacha when Obi was in charge of Tin can Island sea port in the 90's. You saw him bragging in that video that he paid cash for the house.

This was the same way they found over 250 million cash which was Anambra state money he was taking to Lagos when he was Governor.

The same way he laundered Anambra money and used it to build shopping malls in Port Harcourt and Abuja. A reasonable person would have at least built one of those malls in Anambra state so that the people of the state could at least benefit from their stolen money. The name of the mall is next cash and carry in case you are not aware!

Obi should stop pretending to be a saint. He is as corrupt and crooked as any other politician in this country!