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achi4u: this one na doctors prescription...if i join deeper life whos people hadly watch TV,am i going to sell my set and my computers and stop watching football matches?.

achi4u: you said Redeem,haha,i heard their pastor get 4private jet and a fleet of airplanes,he also slap a young girl who sue him to court.

Point of correction sir, that's NOT Redeem BUT Winners Chapel.

achi4u: well,am not trying rubbish your advise to me but am just pointing that all this oneman show churches are weak from its inxception.

GREAT POINT! The church is NOT a family enterprise OR one man business but unfortunately.....

achi4u: but am considering Catholic.

Catholic? Error sir
Pls take your time prayerfully and carefully. God will lead you to a bible teaching/believing church. Don't rush. You will notice I have tried in all my advice NOT TO MENTION A PARTICULAR CHURCH TO YOU. Kinly relax, take your time prayerfully and carefully. You will get one bible teaching and believing church soon. God bless you sir.

Great thread frosbel.

I thank God that many of these false teaching by these WoF preachers are crumbling. Everything is money, money, money and prosperity. I am not saying money is not needed but sometimes I question somethings and in my quest for answers even as I open the word of life, I have answers. Think of Joseph in PRISON. I mean PRISON and yet, the bible recorded that God prospered him. This is strange and you begin to question, Could that prosperity be MONEY? The bible says, Jesus was rich but yet....Is that money? If it was money, then I don't think Jesus would need to ask Peter to go get money from the mouth of a fish to pay taxes.

Thank for the post. God bless you.

@ Everyone,

Please, kindly help me appeal to Olaadegbu to COME ANSWER MY DIFFERENT QUESTIONS because he also asked me some questions and I answered with the "promise/deal" that he will answer my question is return. After that he said he asked me 3 questions but I only answered 2. I can't see that third question. He should ask the 3rd question again openly OR he come answer my own questions please.

Now you said I put the word "ONLY" and you answered that God is "SOMETIMES" Specific on instructions and sometimes he is not. You gave the example saying

Image123: i know that God means what He says. Sometimes God is specific and detailed like when He gave instructions for building of the ark, some times, He's not like when He says if your eye offend you, cut it off. It takes a relationship with God and a balanced knowledge of God's Word(the Bible) to understand God more and grow in His knowledge. Not A1 in English.

However, the whole world knows that Jesus wasn't giving INSTRUCTIONS in the verse you used as example, Jesus was teaching and making use of illustration. Okay. I take that answer from you and that leads to us to "narrow down" to tithe "specific instruction" since you have said, sometimes God is specific and sometimes He is NOt.

Q3. WHAT ARE GOD'S SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS WHEN HE INSTRUCTED TITHE?

Image123: @Goshen
2 ). i said that SOMETIMES, God is specific and detailed on instruction, OTHER TIMES, HE IS NOT. And i gave examples. It's either we're just trying to win an argument, or we're learning and discussing. It's good if you'll choose which in sincerity and not be seeking to catch me in my words like the pharisees. God NEVER put the word 'ONLY', antitithers did. You're becoming guilty of adding to God's Word and i hope you know the consequences. It's good you realise your sins and repent quickly. Tithe is clearly from 'ALL things' as read in 2Chronicles 31v5. We should look at the whole scriptures in totality, not just picking and choosing our fancies. Abraham gave tithes and it was not ONLY of crops and animals, was it? His tithes was accepted and acknowledged even in Hebrews 7 as by God's Spirit.

Image123: @Goshen
2 ). i said that SOMETIMES, God is specific and detailed on instruction, OTHER TIMES, HE IS NOT. And i gave examples. It's either we're just trying to win an argument, or we're learning and discussing. It's good if you'll choose which in sincerity and not be seeking to catch me in my words like the pharisees. God NEVER put the word 'ONLY', antitithers did. You're becoming guilty of adding to God's Word and i hope you know the consequences. It's good you realise your sins and repent quickly. Tithe is clearly from 'ALL things' as read in 2Chronicles 31v5. We should look at the whole scriptures in totality, not just picking and choosing our fancies. Abraham gave tithes and it was not ONLY of crops and animals, was it? His tithes was accepted and acknowledged even in Hebrews 7 as by God's Spirit.

I See you are "trying" to beat around now. Well, it doesn't matter. I will still ask my questions. However, if you are NOW teaching us that tithe is from "ALL THINGS" according 2 Chro 31:5. Then WE (GOD'S PEOPLE) NEED TO GO BACK TO GOD'S FIRST INSTRUCTION ON TITHE IN ORDER TO DETERMINE "ALL" THAT GOD MEANT.

CAN SOMEBODY PULL OUT GOD'S FIRST INSTRUCTION ON TITHING FOR US SO WE KNOW "ALL THINGS" GOD'S IS TALKING ABOUT AND THAT THE PEOPLE HAD BEEN DOING BEFORE THE ACCOUNT OF 2 CHRO. 31:5. (I CANT PULL IT OUT FROM MY PHONE RIGHT NOW)

Let Abraham tithe for now, your question will get there. Okay.

Image123: Now you call the thing 'God's tithing' to entrap me. If i mentioned 'tithing' now, nuclear will go on a holy lecture on verbs, nouns and adjectives. At your convenience too, you'd call it 'Levitical tithing', let's be sincere please Goshen. i implore you to come out of the old testamental veil of the letter, into the grace that abounds. Allow God's people to give their tithe as God has increased them, not by your lettered view. Some of you are so like the levite and the priest in 'the good Samaritan' story: i don't want to be unclean, i don't want to be late for church, i want to keep the law, wholly mechanical. Truth is spiritual in essence, not confined to words and letters. Why at the end of the day after all has been argued, do you guys not find peace? No, you must argue a little more, call on snowwy and Olaa and ABD to come talk tithes all over. There's a mark you're not taking note of. Let's humble ourselves, and also heed advice like Olaa my brother just posted.

Well, you have just caught yourself in one of the future questions I was going to ask. I quote you in advance. Leave all this talk sir. It's a deal or promise you made openly before the whole world that after we answer you questions, you will answer mine. You are dealing with your own issues so please answer my questions. None of us beat around when you asked your questions. We answered it straight away. I "think" you are the one not being sincere as regards this "tithe questions".

Call it "tithe", "levitical tithe", God's tithe" What exactly are you talking about? The tithe that is recorded in the bible, is that not what we are talking about. Please, just answer my question and you yourself will see weather you have been fed with heresies or you have teaching God's people heresies. Nobody is entrapping you. Answer my question please because you are taking too long on Q2, how long will you take for the remaining 8 questions.

YOU CAN DECIDE TO BACK OUT OF THIS THREAD AFTER YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION, I DON'T MIND BUT AS LONG AS YOU HAVE DEAL, YOU MUST ANSWER TILL WE GET TO THE TITHE/TENTH QUESTION.

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I can't remember telling you not to go to church sir. On the contrary, I said after or as you study the word of God for yourself and you attend a good bible believing/teaching church, God can use you to change things where God wants you to function. Do not forsake the assembly of the brethren saith the Lord.

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Hehehehehehe. Great. I saw it but omitted it. I thought it was a reply from JeSoul. Obviously, I didnt pay attention to your name, I just assumed. Am very sowie. But you know say na same job me and you dey do, computer. I caught you right there. "Print to capture YouTube Video + PowerPoint to label",lolz. Yes or No? BUT the coded link you are suppose to copy is the "short" one IN THE ADDRESS BAR, NOT THAT LONG ONE. Though that long one works too but I rather copy from the address bar because the one from the address bar is a shorted version of the one the that box. Try it out.

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Am on PC right now. I see a pic attached by JeSoul. Is that the pic you are talking about? It's very lovely....it says, You're The Best ***with some shining stars and cross*** and a coloured image background....cooolest.

LoJ: Hello Goshen!

It's usually a pleasure for me to read you. You're well established in the word of Justice. And the fear of GOD overflows from your heart. I'm happy to read that you're an apostle of the Most High.

If I may add something is "be careful". There are dangers ahead of you, for the devil is willing to bring you down.

Be blessed!

Lion-EL

Hi Bro LoJ,

Thanks for the word of the Spirit. God bless you. You are a wonderful brother also. I have read your comments here on this session and I must say, they are full of great thoughts. Keep doing the work till we finish the race.

Unitedsatanist: This is an interesting topic with which we can share ideas.

It is also one of the reasons we all have favorite threads which we find to be an inspiration pertinent to either our own psyche or to aid our more pragmatic ends.

I have a few personal favorites. It's hard to choose. But here is one of my own that I find most inspiring since it is a literary enforcement of my strong anchorage in this carnal world:

There is no heaven of glory bright, and no hell where sinners roast. Here and now is our day of torment! Here and now is our day of joy! Here and now is our opportunity! Choose ye this day, this hour, for no redeemer liveth. Say unto thine own heart I am mine own redeemer.

Okay Miss,

It's okay. I get where you are going. We will deal with some issues of life "maybe tomorrow". I have to go off the internet soon, okay. God bless you.

Unitedsatanist: Goshen dear i can see that u are very intersting man and funny too . Well , ain't in new york city i based in Paris my friend is a member of this online forum and he asked to sign up too...been refusing because sometimes i really find it so hard to read some of the words--- I guess most of the people here do not write in English---okay , Mr.Goshen u can address me as miss and thanks . I'll be addressing u as it pleased u too .

**eyeroll** but the only thing we have in mutaul is that we're both single! -- my boyfriend is on this thread and i guess he'll be seeing the whole conversation so please , phuk off my heaps before he kick u . . .

Okay Miss, no problem. You are most welcome on board. Sometimes, it's not good to be too rigid and too serious. I had to first use that method of laughter to ease all tensions first and then we can treat the thread. Like I said, we just met and we will deal with some issues, "maybe" from tomorrow. Okay. My regards to your friend. Tell him Goshen say Hi to him and tell me say no nothing o, make him no come kick me o.lolz. Thanks. ***waving***

When you deal with John Gospel, you have to be prepared for some heavy study of mysterious and powerful statements that you have to break down in order to understand it. I will expand that single verse by tomorrow when I wake up, God willing but before then, kindly do some work by yourself if you will get it as I give you the key to understand that verse. If you don't get it, we will look at it together tomorrow. Okay. The key to understand this very verse is tied in the previous verse, verse 4. So go back to verse 4 and tie it to 5. See if you can solve the mystery. I will be back tomorrow friends.

Unitedsatanist: Mr.Goshen you quit sound too funny.....wow!

please just a point of correction i am a woman and i shouldn't be address as a man . okay , i also mistype sometimes from

my keyboard . -- as a single woman u can address me as miss alright?

urrmm....addressing u as my dear isn't bad idea Goshen -- okay p^lease tell me how to address u just in case of next time okay? thanks but I'll be asking question if i have one later

Now you don start dey do advert cos you don see say na same NY we dey. . I knew you are woman, I only set the trap. Alas, my bait caught you,lolz but I didn't know you are single except now that i also see you want to be addressed as ~Miss~. So when you dey type those things, your keyboard over power you

Addressing me as "my dear" isn't a bad idea huh Okay I will accept it and also address you anytime on this forum as "madam dearest"......don't tell anybody, just between you and me. okay. Na code wey we(u n me) go dey use anytime we jam ourselves here to exchange thoughts,So anywhere and time I respond to you with heading stating, "madam dearest", you should know am talking/referring to you. okay.

Well, my name I.D is ....(find out later) Goshen360. Son of the Most High God; A preacher of Righteousness; An Apostle of God, called to open the eyes of them that sit in darkness and to make ready a people prepared for God through the preaching/teaching of the power of the Gospel and the presentation of the Gospel of Power.

And in addition.....I'm also single.

@ Prophetic-Apostle Image123,

Don't mind Kunle o, na so him dey do. I don tell you sef make you give Kunle tithe you no gree. Maybe na tithe wey you no give Kunle dey pain him as you say na anybody wey dey do God's work suppose collect tithe. I see Kunle too is doing God's work and he is set aside for that purpose for over 7 years now

I'm still waiting for my own answer jare and after this Q2, just few more to go, e fit no even reach ten again sef and we will be done. Okay. Make Anointing no dry at this stage o,lolz Over to you sir.

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Oga musKeeto,

What is your kweshun on pic? I can't see it o. Maybe I fit help you.

Unitedsatanist: What is the meaning of word 'Sharaaap '...huh??

okay dear Goshen nobody is moking i believe this is a free online forum where people share things together in various thread and topic honestly my dear u really misunderstood me i guess . no mocking just expressing myself unless u are only hating me because of my name. Satan is a very lovely helper to the World and please i want we should discus that some other time lets face our topic

okay....and when u are talking about the last time i wonder how long long does it takes a time to count up to twenty hours.

Mr Satan,

I don't hate you bro. You are not my enemy and will never be my enemy,okay.

Why did you just suddenly start using "my dear" on me Huh? Abeg take time o. Thou shall not tempt,lolz.

On the issue of last time or last days, you might have also misunderstood bible languages. A thousand years is like a day in the eyes of God. Many things we misunderstood in our childhood due to bible languages. For instance, when the bible says, last time or last days; it doesn't mean the world would end today or tomorrow,okay. It simply means we are in the last lap as in a marathon race. Also, the last time or last days doesn't begin today/now, it began in the 2000 years ago.

I hope this helps but if not, ask your questions and i will be willing to help.

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Sharaaap 'satan!

How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. Jude vs.18

nellyverre: Rom 6:2 Certainly not! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer?
Rom 6:3 Are you ignorant of the fact that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?

We are dead to sin and its not possible for us to live in it any longer, that is being baptized into the death of Christ...

Read the whole of Romans 6 with an open mind to be thought of the spirit (if you are a Christian) and you will be thought...
you can continue to study the letters of the apostle paul in the bible to learn more on this...

Also you can listen to preachers of the gospel of Grace which is the gospel of Christ like Dr Shawn Smith, Joseph Prince,
Bertie Britz to name a few websites where you can get free teachings...
http://drshawnsmith.org/
http://dynamicministries.com

Thank you my brother. I understand your first post i gave that verse to call you back a little bit. What you did in that post #792 was one side of the truth and that is why i gave you a hint. I know you will definitely answer right. We have an obligation to balance the truth. This is what I have just done. Don't let anyone deceive you. Prove all things for yourself and hold on to the good ones. The fact is mastubation is NOT mentioned in black and white as sin in the bible BUT the truth is, IT IS A SIN. You can believe otherwise but am not going to keep going in circle about it anyway except you want us to prove it from scriptures.

Besides, I listen to Joseph Prince very well but I will give others a shot. I believe it is wisdom to first study on my own as well as I listen to other great preachers that functions in the same grace as I do. Then I will be able to confirm within me when I listen to someone and know if that preacher is preaching truth or heresy or truth mixed with heresy,lolz. Thanks

bigd4050: Why is it necessary to know his name?

Because PA1982 asked him but he didn't know so i suggested he go research it out. It doesn't mean anything if he doesn't want to find out anyway,lolz

@ buzugee,

Thanks also. I think I should give it a shot considering your advice and also that of LoJ. How do I get the hard copy in english version of online version. Expecting your feedback. Thanks

louisadiks: Beloved Sorry for the delay i had been very busy putting together more books with fantastic topics to prepare the people of God for the soon coming event. Thanks for the compliments. We give all the glory and honor to our Lord Jesus Christ and thanks for the encouragement.i felt strenghtened from those few words. Beloved at times i felt lonely on this road and enquire from the Lord why those beloved ones He disclosed to me aare not coming out. I needed to feel their warmth, support and fellowship in this move. Please let us chat on phone or send me your email so that we discuss freely. i have more than twenty books ready. I had prayed and received confirmations to work with you. Please call me on 2347035112227 or email me through this contact.manchildfaq@gmail.com God bless you and thanks. Louisadikibarasika bassey okokon

Thanks and God bless you greatly. I have sent you and email. You mobile contact is noted but am out of mobile contact for now due to some reasons. I will be back on mobile in the next three months. However, we will keep in touch via email. Thanks.

@ Image123,

In reference to you question to me above as to how many questions am going to ask you. Well, I will ask the number of questions you asked and it will be very clear if you are worshiping God in spirit and IN TRUTH or otherwise. My questions are going to be progressive in nature; that is Q1 leads to 2 and 2 to 3 and so on till we get to ten.Okay. I would have asked all at a time but permit me as this method makes it very clear and summarizes all being said taught from both sides

Q2: Since you accepted and believed that God is VERY SPECIFIC ON INSTRUCTION

Image123: i know that God means what He says. Sometimes God is specific and detailed like when He gave instructions for building of the ark, some times, He's not like when He says if your eye offend you, cut it off. It takes a relationship with God and a balanced knowledge of God's Word(the Bible) to understand God more and grow in His knowledge. Not A1 in English.

Q2 NOW, Do you BELIEVE and ACCEPT that God SPECIFICALLY INSTRUCTED THAT TITHE SHOULD BE TAKEN/BROUGHT FROM CROPS AND ANIMALS ONLY AND MONEY IS NEVER/NOT INSTRUCTED IN GOD'S TITHING EVEN THOUGH MONEY EXISTED THEN?

(After you answer this Q2, I will tell you the reason why it was specify) Thank you.

debosky: Why all this name calling?

Y'all should allow Goshen to ask the questions and Image to respond - as far as I've seen he has answered the single question asked thus far so please let's honour the process before making conclusions.

As for Olaadegbu, please handle a discourse with him on a separate thread - I have enjoyed reading this one without any regurgitation of links and pseudo-scientific references. Let's stay focused.

Goshen please resume your questions so we can proceed - I trust Image will respond as he has done thus far.

I really have to thank you for the maturity you came into this thread. Very Impressive. God bless you.

Also, I like you engage Olaadegbu in his statement that Jesus,(as God) created man. I want to him or Kunle to open another thread to that effect and we will dig deep together by the grace of God.

@ ijawkid,

I don't know OR understand why this thing is too mysterious for you to understand.lolz. Anyway, am not going into that today. I will save it for next time. The bible calls this "Godhead" a mystery and it is what it is,okay. In truth, God is incomprehensible. We might not be able to fathom God in totality (Psalm 139:6; 145:3, Romans 11:33-36) however, we can truly know God because He created us in His image, gave us His word, gave us revelation of himself even though we cannot fully God, we may know him truly. Deut 29:29. Human speculations about God is never sufficient to lead us to the full knowledge of God.

Can I give you a puzzle to solve....if you can?

When you hear the word "Godhead" what does it imply to you?

JeSoul: ^great job, thanks Goshen! Looks like I can hand over the modding reigns to you and you would do a fantastic job

Freely I have received, Freely I will give OR Freely I gave,lolz. You're welcome my honourable Moderator. I don't know of others o but you and MMW are the best. No controversy!

@ musKeeto,

The video appeared twice? That's just a tutorial. Follow the steps and your "own" video won't appear twice unless you post twice. How una dey?

OLAADEGBU: You and your cohorts should have read the fine prints before "jumping" to conclusions.

@ OLAADEGBU,

You don't have to classify ALL of us,okay. It shows the kind of person you are. You asked me some questions PERSONALLY and I answered you with the terms and agreement that you will answer mine also. I answered your questions and was waiting that I ask mine then you disappear. I have told you what I believed but you are still dodging my questions.

Kindly come on board and let me ask you my own questions. Very Simple.

@ Image123,

I have many questions BUT will ask them one by one. Okay.

Question 1: Do you believe God says what He meant and mean what He says? As in, Do you believe God is SPECIFIC when it come to instruction? As in, Moses, Speak to the Rock is different from/to Moses Strike the Rock?

Hello Everyone,

I promised I was going to add more nuggets/teachings yesterday but was busy. This teaching might be in series depending on how far I can go each time. If I can't finish it today, we will definitely continue it. Can we know or understand the deep things of God? Yes. How? By the Spirit of God. Hence, we have to search it out by the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 2:10 kjv,

But God hath revealed(past tense, i.e already done.) them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Okay, lets look at what God meant when He said, "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him". Genesis 2:18 kjv.

The New King James Version reads the same verse thus:

And the LORD God said, "[It is] not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him."

First, we need to observe some things in this verse and just going to pull them right out.

1. From Genesis chapter one to chapter 2:6, All you will see or notice in use of word is God said but when it was time to create man, the word changed in Gen 2:7 to "LORD God" Why? Just by chance? No. I will get there in a later.

2. After God created anything/everything, God would say/saw "That it was good" BUT only after He created man that He said, "It is NOT good.....I will make him an help/helper...."

Ladies and Gentlemen, I submit to you by the Spirit of God that this helper in the deep things of God to us is THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT IS TO BE GIVEN TO US CHRISTIANS/BELIEVERS.

In the PHYSICAL/NATURAL, this helper was Eve that meets/comparable to the physical/natural man (Adam) BUT in the Spirit or to spiritual man (Adam), it is the Holy Spirit. Here, God was declaring the end to us from the beginning but we can only search it out by the same Spirit of God because this same Spirit was manifested in the beginning of creation. So only the Spirit can explain it to us. Let me break it down the more for better understand.

The bible gives us a picture and type of Jesus in Adam. Rom. 5:12-15; 1 Cor. 15:45-50. So God was painting a picture of the end/last days from the beginning in the natural man, Adam. God is going to Revelation but He had to start from Genesis. Are you getting the picture? Okay.

God put Adam to "deep" sleep and made Eve out of Adam. God put Christ to "deep" sleep in the form of death and out of Christ came out "Christ-ian, new birth" and that happens when a man becomes BORN AGAIN. When am a man becomes born again, it happens in the spirit of a man. Man is a tripartite being (spirit, soul and body) 1 Thessalonians 5:23. When the new birth takes place, man in the eyes of God is considered born anew and this spirit man need a helper/comforter so as NOT to be alone because God never intended that man to be alone, IT IS NOT GOOD FOR A MAN TO BE ALONE. As it applies to the natural man, so it applies to the spiritual man that is born anew at new birth or at born again. This helper to the this new spirit man at new birth is HOLY SPIRIT.

When Jesus was about to be put to death as in a kind/type of the deep sleep God put Adam into to produce Eve, Jesus announced to His disciples in John 14:26 nkjv,

"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you."

Some translation used comforter in place of helper. The truth is, the Helper does the work of comforting and the comforter does the work of helping. Jesus produced the new birth (new spirit man) but must not be alone just as it is not good that the natural Adam should not be alone. This helper was then given at the beginning of the end/last days. The last days or end time began at the day of Pentecost for Peter said,

"For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is [only] the third hour of the day. "But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 'And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. Acts 2:15-17 nkjv.

Am out of time. I got to go out now. For your "love gift or free will" offerings to support the spread of the gospel, you may send it to goshen360@yahoo.co.uk

I will be right back so we can have fellowship maybe question and answers. Thanks

ijawkid: [size=15pt]Sometimes I feel God should throw a new original bible frm d skies and let's start afresh.....[/size]
Man has rili tampered wit d scriptures to d extent that God is now 3 distinct individuals not making up 3 gods but 1 God...

Thanks to pagans for showing false christianity d light of trinity....

Mayb d jews,abraham and all d rest never understood this sacred secret.....

God died,God prayed to himself,God within himself never knew somethings(like when d world would end) while another part of himself knew d secret.....

God is also greater than himself....

The founders of trinity will surely pay for this crime when d end comes

. Funny statement.

I thought you are the one I explained this to in another thread? Just asking pls.

@ LoJ,

Okay. Thanks.

@ Nuclearboy,

Yes! Image123 is a reasonable person. He remains my brother in the Lord though we may have differences/disagree on some issues BUT WHERE IS HE NOW? He asked us questions and we answered him WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT HE WILL ANSWER MY/OUR QUESTION IN RETURN and all of a sudden he disappeared, ignored us and was attending to other threads. He should simply come and answer our/my questions and we can prove the truth.

Very Simple.

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I "think" you should study "more" of the word by "yourself". You will know who is telling the truth and who is preaching heresy. This is my own opinion sir.