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So shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?

musKeeto: Hallo, JeSoul.. hope all's well..
I tried inserting a youtube video in a new post. I can't locate the flash button.. need help..

musKeeto my brother,

It happened to me too and people sorted it out for me. It is because Admin (Seun) had changed the code. Hence, "Flash" button is NO more needed. When a friend taught me, I laughed at myself in the sense that, technology had moved while I was still standing.lol. This is the same way/thing with us many Christians, God had moved/is moving but we are standing, getting stoked to one method/way,lol Just joking bro, but it's the truth.

This is your solution:

1. Go to the YouTube Video of choice
2. Share as you would do with the old style
3. Embed as you would do with the old style or version of Nairaland
4. Select the Viewing size (420x315; 480x360) I "think or assume" Admin ONLY accept any between these two sizes.
5. Activate "Use old embed code"
6. Also activate "Show suggested videos when the video finishes" IF YOU WANT OTHER VIDEO SUGGESTION AFTER YOURS IS DONE
7. All your process (1-6) are not coded in the link in the address bar of your browser.
8. Copy and Paste the link from the address bar and paste in Nairaland as you would do.

It works. Good luck bro.

[quote author=Okija_juju]And where was he during Christmas and Easter day bombings?! [/quote]The same place God was when you lied and got away with it. The same place God was when you cheated and committed some immoral acts and got away with it. The same place where God was when you broke the laws of the land you live and got away with it.

It's not every good things that happens that God is responsible for and also, it is not every bad things that happens that God is responsible for. Men should take responsibilities.

ATMC: @goshen nd others, mast.ur.b@tion is NOT a SIN...people believe dt what makes it a sin is d thought dt accompanies it but i want to ask u a question...those times u eat with negative thought or imagination, did eating become a sin? Nothing is wrong with eating rather with d thought so u change ur thought. D act on its own is not in anyway sin when carried out for d motive of self relief, d urge will always be there, its part of us just like hunger for food is part of us.when david was hungry, how did he satisfy himself...he ate d shew bread meant for priest, god does not see d way u see...one man may satisfy his sexual urge by adultery nd another by self relief nd its not of u to judge them. This is because he dt said do not commit adultery also said do not judge, so when u judge/condemn, u r no different from d person. MIND U, D ONLY PERSON PERMITTED TO REPLY ME IS HE WHO HAS NEVER DONE IT B4, ELSE PLS DON'T, RESERVE UR COMMENT. Again, who cares if u reject pastor chris' preaching if god approves him. Moreover pastor chris does not know dt u care less of his preaching.

Seriously, am DONE with this topic IF NOT THE FACT THAT YOU MENTIONED MY I.D. Can you and I deal with this issue here step-by-step or do we create another thread to deal with this? We will explain biblical meaning of sin and ask/answer some basic questions about sin/mastubation. Let me know what you want and we delve into it. Thanks

Buzugee,

You are just running and turning in circle, dodging my questions. You have to be really careful with these stuffs you read. Seriously. It's not your problem if a lot of folks had read the OT or not to talk of this "apocrypha" of yours/you guys. It's the validity of these books we are talking about.

Second. I told you testament, covenant, agreement and a Will - all means same thing and you said it's NOT. I asked you to explain, you said you are not going into word technicalities. How do you even understand the bible when you don't study word context along the reading/text? How?

Third, I asked you to quote anywhere from this "apocrypha" of yours where reference was made by Jesus or any of the Apostles so we can at least validate this "apocrypha", you are dodging around.

Kindly prove these books of "apocrypha" by quoting any of the books where jesus made reference to any of them and explain the how you meant by covenant is different to a testament OR.......

buzugee: when i say testament, i mean, the book is continuos. old -apocrypha-new. it seems like it is old and new because the apocrypha was taken out of it. [size=15pt]convenant is different from testament.[/size]

Explain the words in RED. You are in soup tonight. If i can't finish with you, i will continue when i wake up.okay

Hebrews 8:8-12
King James Version (KJV)
8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

buzugee: the apocrypha is between the book of malachi and matthew. see thats the problem. there is no such thing as testament. the bible is a whole continuous book. this whole testament thing was enacted at the council of nicea.

the authors
1 Esdras
2 Esdras
Tobit
Judith
Additions to Esther
Wisdom of Solomon
Sirach (Ecclesiasticus)
Baruch
Letter of Jeremiah (Baruch 6)
Additions to Daniel (The Prayer of Azariah and the Song of the Three Young Men, part of Daniel 3 in the Catholic Bible)
Susanna (Daniel 13 in the Catholic Bible)
Bel and the Dragon (Daniel 14 in the Catholic Bible)
Prayer of Manassheh
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees

Jesus made reference to most OT books and also quote directly from them. Paul made reference and also quote most OT book and like wise several Apostles, Can you quote anywhere in any of these "your books" where Jesus made reference or the Apostles, Paul, Peter etc. I permit you.

Testament was spoken of/about by God in the OT. How would you say there is no testament? I really have to spell check this apocrypha of you guys first by the Spirit of God. Testament, covenant, agreement and Will - All mean the same thing.

Okay, can you correlate these verse together:

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Jeremiah 31:31-34 kjv

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Heb 10:16 kjv.

This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. Hebrews 8:10 kjv

I tried read some thing about the apocrypha online now. My question to your is, what "testament" do we place this "apocrypha" since God only spoke about NEW Testament in the OT?

Q2. Who are the authors/writers of each of those books?

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@ buzugee,

Never mind, i found it online. Thanks. I will keep in touch with it. Thanks

Okay, where and how do I get the 1611 KJV?

^^^ Hey Son (buzugee),
Am not ready for debate tonight please. And how are you so SURE those books are NOT ADDED to God's word? That's why i don't enter the debate you quote those "books" of "your own bible",lol .

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Let me just leave it as it is. Don't want to pull you more. Thank you.

Guitarlife: @joel I get where you are coming from, I have also alway's questioned the spirituality behind blood donation and [size=15pt]it's so unfortunate that our MOG's do not take their time to dig deep on these issues but rather they'd want to continue 'enlightening' us on the reason's we ought to pay tithe.[/size] Life is in the blood and it's true but the crux is do we then condemn blood transfusion as christians seeing that it save's life? Is the use of condom and other birth control method's really scriptural? Should christian's support medical breakthrough's like IVF, viagra? But back to the issue of blood I think the blood carries a lot of significance remenber rhat those who enter into convenant also use their blood. The blood is the singular organ that touche's all part's of your body so should christians donate their blood for sick people? I think this is one of the many numerous questions that christian's would rather not answer.

. FUNNY

@ Buzugee,

You are my friend but sometimes, you beat my imagination when you spew some "kind" rubbish. and where the heck you get all these other bible books you often quote from? You are on your own o. u hear me so
Maybe one day, you will come out and say, to work is also a curse or symbol of hell,lol. Guy, be careful o. Hope say you never....

Am not going into this talk here and there BUT I know that certain prophesies MUST be fulfilled before the second coming of Christ. Very Simple!

After quoting what next? You no wan talk ni? Abi your hand don fall ni as you don chew pass wetin your mouth fit contain.lol.

Zikkyy: Don't know where Image is going with this, the idea of it being a type of proportional giving is something i don't understand. That said, i will add that as long as we don't give the whole of anything (i.e. we give part of), then we are giving a proportion (relative to whole). So i'll say 1 Corinthians 16:2 required the people to give in 'proportion' to how God has blessed them. Giving some of our spare time to assist in church is also proportionate giving (relative to the total time available). This approach could actually result in people giving more than a tenth. Image you must understand that relative proportion is not the same as fixed percentages (i.e. 10%), so i don't know what you want to achieve with this. Also note that proportionate giving is not based on set rules and actual proportion when measured in percentages vary from one person to another.

MAY YOUR GENERATION NOW AND YET UNBORN BE ETERNALLY BLESSED FOR THE HIGHLIGHTED STATEMENT IN RED.

Let's wait for Image123 to come up with all his marking scheme.

@ Snowwy,

I hear you. I will take a leave and study even as am still studying cos it's continuous BUT you dodged my question. My question is do you also through Christ stone your rebellious children to death since you claim to

Snowwy: I believe Christ fulfilled the law therefore it is only through Christ and in Him we can fulfill the righteous requirements of the law which the Israelites couldn't do.

You should be able to stone your non virgin wife to death or kill your rebellious kids SINCE YOU JUST SAID THROUGH CHRIST YOU/WE CAN FULFIL THE RIGHTEOUS REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW WHICH THE ISRAELITES COULD NOT FULFUL.

Answer the question.

I just looked into this subject recently. The fact that Jesus was being supported in ministry(Luke 8:1-3 nkjv), He probably would not be keeping gifts by himself. Hence, Judas was appointed to take care of the treasury. Treasury in context didn't mean like we have it today but a place where gifts are kept. This does not mean Jesus was rich in money and wealth as contrary to what the WoF preachers teach today.

If Jesus was rich in money, wealth and material things then there will not be need for below:

ogajim: Don't mind those yeye Pastors in Nigeria, UK and America...they are all FAKE for the most part because the only part of the Bible that appeal to them is the TITHE.
They have MUMU followers who have no idea how to open the Bible and STUDY it like the Bereans of old. It would have been easier for Jesus Christ to ask his "accountant" for the two Shekels he needed for the Temple tax rather than send Peter to catch a fish, open it's mouth and take the two Shekels from there right?
YEYE dey smell!

@ OP,

Am very sorry to say this but it's the truth. Some men of God that says that are still babies and they themselves still need to sit under another man of God for better teaching. The question you should ask them is, when Jesus said "all powers in heaven and on earth is given unto me", does that mean the power of witches and wizards is greater than the power of God?

And when it was said, at the name of Jesus, every knee shall bow..does this mean something else? Praying against physical enemies to fall down and die IS CLEARLY NOT THE CHRISTIANITY OF CHRIST. Christians have only one enemy, the devil.

Love your enemies, Jesus said. Love them that hate you. Matthew 5:44-47 kjv

Snowwy: Lol,
@Goshen, it was you that took off from our last discussion claiming you intended to go on sabatical only for you to show up on another thread.
I am doing really great by the way and I am sure you too are.
Do take care then...

I hear but you no answer my Firstfruit question o. Should be still keep/continue it since it is very clear from scriptures that Jesus fulfilled firstfruit?

Over to you, do justice...i no want lie o,lol

@ Snowwy,

How are you? Long time. How you come run away from me, your brother naw? e no good o,lol.

Back to topic, how about First-fruit? Since Jesus already fulfilled First-fruit, do we still need to keep it OR why are we still trying to keep it?

Image123: 1). Did Jesus Christ ever argue against tithes?

What tithe are we talking about here? TRUE BIBLICAL TITHE OFF COURSE! Hence, we define "true or God's biblical tithe" as 10% or tenth of increase from CROPS AND ANIMALS ONLY. Jesus was born under the law of Moses and lived in the time of law of Moses. Therefore, Jesus would NOT OR WOULD NOT HAVE ARGUED TRUE AND GOD'S BIBLICAL TITHE as long as it is done according to "GOD'S SPECIFIC INSTRUCTION OF BEING TAKEN FROM CROPS AND ANIMALS ONLY". Should TITHE NOT HAD BEEN DONE OR PRACTICED ACCORDING TO GOD'S SPECIFIC INSTRUCTION OF CROPS AND ANIMALS, JESUS WOULD HAVE CONDEMNED THE PRACTICE JUST AS HE CONDEMNED THE WRONG PRACTICES OF WHAT THE TEMPLE WAS MEANT FOR.

Image123: 2)Did Jesus Christ ever tell some group of people to tithe?

In relative to the biblical definition of God's instructed tithe in Q1, YES! Jesus told "SOME GROUP OF PEOPLE" to tithe (Specifically as defined above in Q1, because these groups ARE NOT TITHING SOMETHING ELSE IN REPLACE OF GOD'S BIBLICAL TITHE PRODUCTS - CROPS AND ANIMALS and because the law was still in effect at the time this was spoken to this "group" and thank God JESUS TOLD SOME GROUP OF PEOPLE, NOT EVERYBODY AND NOT HIS OWN DISCIPLES who will later become the foundation to the birth of Christianity. Who are these "some group of people?" They are scribes and pharisees and religious Hypocrites who taught they can be perfect by works of the law. They didn't understand/know that the law made NOTHING PERFECT NEITHER DO THEY UNDERSTAND THAT BREAKING ONE OF THE LAWS IS BREAKING ALL THE LAWS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY ARE BLINDED BY THE LAW of MOSES AND COULD NOT REALIZE THAT GRACE IS NOW AVAILABLE.

Image123: 3) Do you believe that there are different types of tithes in the Old Testament?

Yes but/and religious hypocrites ONLY TEACH/PREACH THE VERY ONE/TYPE THAT FAVOURS THEM AND THEY DON'T PREACH/TEACH THE TRUE GOD'S TITHE THAT IS SPECIFICALLY FROM CROPS AND ANIMALS, RATHER THEY TEACH/PREACH WHAT IS NOT INSTRUCTED AS TITHE CONTENTS. THESE RELIGIOUS HYPOCRITES THAT TEACH/PREACH UNBIBLICAL TITHE SHOULD START TEACHING THAT ONLY CROPS AND ANIMALS SHOULD BE TITHED, THIS IS TRUE AND GOD'S BIBLICAL KIND OF TITHE.

Image123: 4) Do you believe that there was a tithe to be eaten by the giver at home and a DIFFERENT tithe to be given at the storehouse?

Your/this question shows the fact that you ADMIT THERE IS A TITHE (CROPS & ANIMALS) THAT MUST BE EATEN BY THE TITHERS RIGHT! VERY GOOD. So the answer is YES and this MUST BE CROPS AND ANIMALS STILL. This is the true way to obey the law, if it must be obeyed. Also, the tithe teachers ONLY teach the type that is taken to "storehouse" but they dont teach it must be crops and animal, they teach otherwise. Storehouse? No! No more "storehouse" today but the "church" and we have instruction for the church as regards giving NEVER ON TITHING. If this (true biblical tithing) has to be obeyed to letters, it has to be crops and animals and ALL TYPES OF THE BIBLICAL TITHES HAS TO BE PREACHED AND OBEYED - THE TYPES EATEN BY THE GIVER AND OTHERS AS WELL, NOT ONLY THE TYPE THAT FAVOURS THE TITHE TEACHERS PLUS IT MUST BE CROPS AND ANIMALS AS INSTRUCTED.

Image123: 5). Did Apostle Paul observe temple rites?

Not according to tithe.

Image123: 6). Did Apostle Thomas observe temple rites?

Not according to tithe.

Image123: 7). Is tithe a form/type of giving?

Tithe is NOT a form/type of giving because tithe is SPECIFICALLY AND LIMITED ONLY TO CROPS AND ANIMALS while giving IS UNSPECIFIED AND NOT LIMITED TO CROPS AND ANIMALS. TITHING IS ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCES OF LAW WHILE GIVING IS BASED ON GRACE AND FREE-WILL. The biblical truth/reasons why giving is better than tithing are numerous, it's not restricted by "law" of certain percentage and to crops/animals. The bible tells us we can give OURSELVES (2 Corinthians 8:5) BUT YOU/WE CANNOT TITHE YOUR/OUR-SELF. You can give thanks/glory to God but you can't tithe thanks/glory to God. God GAVE His only begotten Son, He didn't TITHED His only begotten son. I can go on and on to list 1001 unlimited things you can give or that can be given but cannot be tithe. So, TITHE IS NOT A FORM/TYPE OF GIVING.

Image123: . Is anyone going to hell for giving tithes whether as money or crops today?

Error sir. There is NOWHERE GOD COMMANDED MONEY TO BE TITHE. THE ISSUE OF MONEY OR CROP IS OUT OF IT. God was/is specific, He said CROP AND ANIMALS. This again justifies the fact that you know within yourself that God's tithe is from crops and animal, for you to mention crop here. It was men that changed God's specific instruction from CROPS AND ANIMAL into MONEY. This is addition/subtracting from God's word and the end of such people that add/subtract from God's word is written in the volume of books. When money is "given" according to the NT way of giving, it is NOT considered as TITHE from the word of God because it does not fulfill the true biblical tithing pattern/products, hence we should have seen that the rooms of the true biblical tithers should have been filled that there will be no more space/room to take the blessings of open windows. It's either we do it as commanded and receive the blessing or God is a liar but alas, we are doing it as convenient, not as commanded hence we make God a liar by trying to manipulate God. When God told Moses, "make sure you build "according" to the pattern given to you". If it is not according to the pattern, it is disobedient OR counted as though it is not done. If it is MONEY, it is simply considered as giving which i just defined in Q7 that giving is unlimited and unspecific unlike tithe that is specific and limited to crops and animals only.

Image123: 9). Were ALL God's workers sustained through tithes in the Old Testament?

NO! Not ALL God's workers were sustained through tithe. Moses, Joshua and the likes were God's worker, they were not sustained by tithe. Jesus was born into/during the OT, he did God's work but never received tithe neither was he sustained through tithe. ONLY THE LEVITES AND THE PRIESTS ARE SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED TO RECEIVE OR SUSTAINED THROUGH TITHE. The bible clearly tells us who priests are today; that is we, ALL BELIEVERS ARE PRIESTS TODAY but levites are abolished.

Again, are you agitating we are still under the OLD TESTAMENT? I thought you knew better as a teacher of God's word that, he took away the OLD that he might establish the NEW. Hebrews 10:9-10. Are you saved by the OT or the NT through the blood of Jesus or through the blood of bulls? Definitely, WE ARE NOT SAVED BY THE OT. Why is when it comes to tithe that you tithe teachers quote or put us under the OT? Kill your rebellious children, you guys will say we are no more under the OT. Sacrifice goat and bull for atonement of sin, you say we are no more under the OT. As for in only Tithe, we are under and referred to the OT. Smh for such religious hypocrisy.

Image123: 10). Is "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." (1 Corinthians 16:2) a type of proportional giving or not?

This is very simple. You have answered this question by yourself AS YOU SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IT AS GIVING WITHOUT THE VERSE MENTIONING TITHE OR SPECIFIC PERCENTAGE. This verse is in line with the below verse:
"Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver". 2 Corinthians 9:7 kjv.

FEEL FREE TO QUOTE ME NOW.

Image123: Efficoooo! Effiwe!! O ti submit. No cross-checking sef. Goshen still dey pray, e never start, men ought to pray. Kunle, last warning, NO copying or pasting. HEHEHEHE.
SILENCE.

Apostle Image123,

You know that when student sabi PASS lecturer, kata-kata go burst. Wait and see wetin wan happen soon.

ijawkid: And remember if Jesus is the same as Yahweh then u will have to agree wit d catholics that mary is d mother of God....

Do u believe that??

This is another dimension. You have to understand the perspective at this subject now. In deity, Jesus is eternal and as man, he has to be born through a woman. Gospel of Luke presented Jesus as man, to redeem mankind from what Adam did. In this case, he has to be born. The mystery of this is that, he wasn't from the seed(fluid) of Joseph but the "Word" that became flesh by the revelation from the Gospel of John 1.

I don't have too much time tonight anymore. Maybe I will continue tomorrow to show you some revelation anyway. God help me. Okay.

mabell: @joagbaje and Goshen,
Ok, sense ruled

How do you mean? I don't understand too much grammar o,lol

newmi: At what point can a believe or a chriistian be termed rebellous?
Because almosst immediately, the statement of the prophet samuel comes to mind ". . . For rebellion is the sin of witch-craft"

I "think" the answer is YES, considering that witchcraft is among the works of the flesh. I stand to be corrected if am wrong.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies. Gal 5:19-20.kjv

Pastor Kun: I have not stopped image from asking his dubious kweshions, I only requested he asks it on a separate thread thread so he doesn't obfuscate issues on this thread.

O ya, Apostle Image123, Over to you. Start you kweshions. All four of us (me, Kunle, Nuclearboy and Jem1) has agreed. Let's have your questions please.

Also remember to state here if any of us can answer that is, if it's an open question anyone can answer or the question is directed to a specific person. Okay. Thank you.

Joagbaje: No deal.
But When such need arise ,we can cut deal

See as I dey laugh you in ALL KINDS OF TONGUES/LANGUAGES. You can walk on water and turn water into wine but yet, NO DEAL. And you tell me you believe? Today, I accept you as a JOKE!