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Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 5:10pm On Feb 20, 2012

FXKing2012:
Consensual sex is a big sin cos u are cheating on your spouse and if u are still single it's a sin cos you lose your dignity to the other person (your sex partner) and also it is immoral to do so cos u are not legally bound together.
Homosexuality is a major sin and it was the reason God destroyed Sodom (Gen 19: 4-11)

So you can call homosexuality a sin now. But it wasn't specifically mentioned as a kind of sin name in the bible(as the bible mentioned fornication and adultery) and you don't see masturbat.ion as sin? Because masturbat.ion is not specifically mentioned doesn't mean it is not a sin and i will show you from the bible very soon.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 3:53pm On Feb 20, 2012

FXKing2012:
Only what you do and has a bad effect or is harmful to your body or others is bad. Is mastur.bation harmful to the body or others? NO! So how can it be a sin?

I can't believe you said the highlighted. I think we should begin to watch out for our next Christian brothers and sisters. As in seriously you can say this? I always thought differently (on the positive anyway) about you on this forum. So the thought that Jesus said that precedes forni.cation or adul.try without the person being lu.st after knowing about it is NOT sin because it doesn't harm the other party? Is this what you are saying? Anyway, let me leave you to straighten that statement of yours.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 11:03am On Feb 20, 2012

diluminati:
dont mind pastor jo. he thinks i dont know he is the same werepeleri. this guy has a grave multiple personality disorder.

Lwkmd o. I wan sleep but I no fit. Madam diluminati, make you no wound me wif laf o.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 10:47am On Feb 20, 2012

I will tie it up properly for him when I wake up with bible verses as Mr Jo wants us to prove it as if na rocket science we dey talk about here. However, I hope my other Christians will be able to explain to Mr Jo n Chris that masturbatio.n is a sin.

@ musKeeto, thank you for the above point.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 8:11am On Feb 20, 2012

@ Jo,
Just gave you bible verses above and you can as well see my comments from the beginning of this thread . You can as well tell me to prove abort.ion is not right because the bible didn't specifically say so. You and your pastor are spreading false teachings and it is obvious.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 8:06am On Feb 20, 2012

^^^ Just gave you bible verses.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 7:58am On Feb 20, 2012

Ozegbe:
when you self-service you think of many things like past sex, Unclad indecency photos and video you have watch and even some perspn you might have seen and lust after. Remember jesus made it clear that you dont need to Be Intimate with a woman to commit fornication which is a sin, just lusting after her or thinking about it you committed that crime already. So WTF is self-service not a sin?

Abeg help me tell joagbaje o. I can't believe the kind of Christians Christ Embassy and their pastor is breeding. New Testament Pt 2. Lord Jesus.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 7:50am On Feb 20, 2012

@ Jo,

I tire for you o. Seriously. We are talking about mas.tur.bation that someone did by himself and Abortion deliberately done and you are talking about abor.tion to save a mother's life. What kind of abortion is that? Every man will stand on his own in the day of judgement. I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS.

I DO NOT CONDEMN PEOPLE WHO DOES MAS.TUR.BATION BUT THE ACT ITSELF IS CERTAINLY A SIN. The person that committed called to ask because he was convicted by the Holy Spirit it as a sin but your pastor says it is not a sin. Smh.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 7:30am On Feb 20, 2012

Joagbaje:
It's a bad habit just like doing drugs. Or drinking .But it's not a Sin against God.

You mean you actually said the highlighted? IT IS NOT A SIN AGAINST GOD? SERIOUSLY, I MEAN SERIOUSLY?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 7:24am On Feb 20, 2012

@ Joagbaje,

Honestly, I can't believe you can defend your pastor in this matter and please stop beating around the bush. Am very sure if the bible had not SPECIFICALLY said fornication and adultery is a sin, you and pastor Chris would have also said it is a bad habit. You can as well say abor.tion is not a sin against God, just because the bible didn't specifically mention it and call it bad habit.

C'mon, let's face the truth my brother. We can help people get out of bad habit without condemning them and telling them is not a sin against God. Sin is Sin and let it be plain. Just because the bible didn't specifically mention some sins doesn't mean they are not sins against God. Our body is the temple of the Lord. Mas.tur.bation might not be a sin to the world but it is certainly a sin to a believe because the Holy convict of sin but your pastor Chris says it is not a sin against God.

Romans 6:12-16
"Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"

Romans 13:13-14
"Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof."

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Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 6:39am On Feb 20, 2012

Mr Jo,

I can't believe you can defend pastor Chris in this matter. I advice you not to share in the sin of your pastor.

Joagbaje:
It is an unclean habit . But it is not a sin against God. But that's the point he was making there.

Unclean habit is not sin against God? Can you listen to you and pastor Chris?

Joagbaje:
There are several unclean habits that may not necessary be a sin unto God. But that doesn't mean he encourages them. He has taught against unclean habits, drug ,drinking, but he will still say even though they are not sin against God in themselves "they are not for Kings like you" you are royalty etc. We do right because we are royalty.

Can you list more of the unclean habits that are not sin unto God?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 5:49am On Feb 20, 2012

^^^ May God help you and your pastor Chris. We have not right to condemn the person that does mas.tur.bation but mas.tur.bation itself is a sin. The bible don't have to tell you specifically, mentioning mas.tur.bation as sin before you call it a sin. Don't accept false teaching as grace is not a license for sin of any kind.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 11:36pm On Feb 19, 2012

Joagbaje:
Which one is my own na? DO your post leave it there.

Because you are always found defending your pastor Chris on every issue as he is your pastor. You often see everything he does as right. Can you defend his statement here ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Deconverted 2 Friends Of Mine To Atheism by Goshen360(m): 11:16pm On Feb 19, 2012

thehomer:
And what was God doing?

We are made to choose who and what we want to believe. God cannot force us as a free moral being.

Joshua 24:15 (NIV)
But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD."

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 11:10pm On Feb 19, 2012

Seriously, we need to start Apostasy watch on Nairaland. So many false teachers deceiving God's people.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 10:49pm On Feb 19, 2012

All of this false teachers need to be EXPOSED. I believe God is seriously exposing them to our generation in these last days.This is one of the reasons I have said, RELIGIOUS LEADERS ARE PART OF THE PROBLEMS IN THE BODY OF CHRIST.

Shaking my head.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes, Offerings And First Fruits - Do They Apply To Us As Christians? by Goshen360(m): 10:47pm On Feb 19, 2012

^^^ Let everyone of us keep doing good anyway. I rest my case for now. God bless you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 10:14pm On Feb 19, 2012

[quote author=Natasha,, link=topic=874534.msg10229527#msg10229527 date=1329685906][size=20pt]REALLY? LIKE SERIOUSLY HE SAID THAT? [/size][/quote]WATCH THE VIDEO. HE SAID IT AND I WAS SHOCKED ALSO. I CAN'T BUT CONCLUDE HE IS A FALSE TEACHER. GOD IS EXPOSING HIM. BELIEVE ME.

I HOPE JOAGBAJE WILL NOT DEFEND HIM IN THIS STATEMENT O.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Top-secret Illuminati Video Leaked: Illumicorp Into-part1 by Goshen360(m): 10:09pm On Feb 19, 2012

Where is the video?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 10:06pm On Feb 19, 2012

Eph 5:3 (International Standard Version)
Do not let intimate sin, impurity of any kind, or greed even be mentioned among you, as is proper for saints.

Genesis 38:8-11(NLT)

Then Judah said to Er's brother Onan, "Go and marry Tamar, as our law requires of the brother of a man who has died. You must produce an heir for your brother."

But Onan was not willing to have a child who would not be his own heir. So whenever he had intercourse with his brother's wife, he spilled the Fluid on the ground. This prevented her from having a child who would belong to his brother.

But the LORD considered it evil for Onan to deny a child to his dead brother. So the LORD took Onan's life, too.

Then Judah said to Tamar, his daughter-in-law, "Go back to your parents' home and remain a widow until my son Shelah is old enough to marry you." (But Judah didn't really intend to do this because he was afraid Shelah would also die, like his two brothers.) So Tamar went back to live in her father's home.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 9:58pm On Feb 19, 2012

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBi8l621wbQ?version=3&hl=en[/flash]

THIS IS STRANGE. I JUST LOST RESPECT FOR OYAKHILOME. MAS.TUR.BATION IS NOT A SIN? SERIOUSLY, I MEAN SERIOUSLY? TO THIS END, I SAY HE IS A FALSE TEACHER, TEACHING DEMONIC THINGS IN THESE LAST DAYS.

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes, Offerings And First Fruits - Do They Apply To Us As Christians? by Goshen360(m): 9:51pm On Feb 19, 2012

Snowwy:
@goshen360,
Yes, I believe so. I believe the father of faith gave tithes in honour to God. The mosaic law exposed it.
I can see you see offering as wrong as well. there will always be a call for offering, it's left to you if you don't want to. I think you should also know that Jesus delivered us from the curse of the law. Read up Romans 2 and 3.
Giving was the order of the day in the old testament. It did not just start in the NT.
We give to the work of the ministry in different ways, the poor, needy, family etc.
So which of the giving do you do?

Well, I guess you dont want us to go into that of the pre-mosaic law which Abraham did. But that's ok. We are fellow workers in the vineyard of God but we must be careful what we teach God's people. What Abraham did wasn't a commandment of God and it should be left open and not as teaching as many teachers of tithe does today. Besides, Abraham didn't give his personal properties. Again, Abraham was rich before this tithe of a tithe and we are not told he was rich by tithing. Also, Abraham didn't give tithe, he gave ALL of the spoils without taking anything except what the servants had already eaten. So many things we can deduct from Abraham's account.

Talking about giving. Giving is the nature of God and should be done as free will. This is the new testament order. When people are taught to love God, they will have it naturally to give and freely as every is blessed.

Above all, you are a wonderful brother and tithe or not tithes doesn't keep us away from the love of Christ as we have differences in this aspect.

My e-handshake once again.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Sin Against The Holy Spirit? by Goshen360(m): 9:38am On Feb 19, 2012

I think it is quench not the spirit and grieve not the spirit but I will try come up with bible verse. It is best for the bible to explain itself,not individual interpretation.

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Religious Organizations Be Made To Pay Taxes? by Goshen360(m): 9:29am On Feb 19, 2012

They are not giving to Caesar the things that belongs to Caesar and hiding under bible they are non profit organization but we all know what is going on. I don't wanna get in trouble o

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes, Offerings And First Fruits - Do They Apply To Us As Christians? by Goshen360(m): 9:20am On Feb 19, 2012

Joagbaje:
The principles if God transcend dispensations . Either they originate under the law or before the law. These are spiritual truths. People just ignorantly give a blanket assumption .why does paul make reference to certain things in the law.

The things done away in the law are the things Christ fulfilled. Tithe has no connection with Christ death. The only connection is his priesthood. Which is forever . As long as there's a high priest ,there must be tithing.

THANK YOU. If they are against tithing but believe in offerings . It's hypocrisy. And if they don't believe in giving offerings to God. Then what is their sacrifice. "FREEWILL" it's also part of old testament principle. You can't chose one part to take.

First of all, I didn't say I believe in offering. I said GIVING. Giving is a nature of God. Churches collect offerings today during every meetings but it is wrong. We have a foundation built by early Apostles and that is what we build on. Whenever the early church is in need, believers give not when they gather everytime as against today's practice. That is a different issue anyway.

You said Christ death has no connection with tithe? Are you saying, as an egg is, assuming it as the law and tithe is the yolk. When someone, Christ break that egg to give us sometime better. Are you saying we should still pick only the yolk that was broken along the egg, fry it and eat? Is this what you are saying?

Again, you said Paul made reference to the law concerning somethings. Kindly share with us such things if they relate to tithes or he was referring to such to explain certain things.

You also said, as long as there is high priest,there must be tithe. I hope you are not referring to Melchizedek. Please be reminded that, he didn't have father or mother and without genealogy but Jesus,our high priest has mother,genealogy in Matthew chapter 1 and from the tribe of Judah. I guess you know little about the priesthood of Melchizedek.

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes, Offerings And First Fruits - Do They Apply To Us As Christians? by Goshen360(m): 8:44am On Feb 19, 2012

@ snowwy,

Do you believe tithing still continues to stand based on pre-mosaic law? Yes or No

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes, Offerings And First Fruits - Do They Apply To Us As Christians? by Goshen360(m): 5:21am On Feb 19, 2012

Snowwy:
Tithing occured pre-law, during the law and the prophets as well. Many things that Jesus said, the law bore witness. Therefore, if I didn't get wrong, if you are telling me that you are neither of the pre-mosaic group or the law and the prophets group regarding tithing, then I do not think we have much to discuss, as those bare witness to the support of God's ministers as spoken by Paul.

Yes, You didn't get me wrong. Exactly what am saying, I do not believe in pre-law and law of tithing anymore EXCEPT GIVING. I believe in giving. If you say we do not have much to discuss, I will take that from you BUT I believe we have much to discuss except you dont want us to do deep studies. If I dont believe in pre-law, I must be talking from an understand and If you believe in pre-law of tithing, you must be also be talking from understanding. So it is imperative for us to look deeply into this matter and be rooted deep in sound doctrine. My reasons are based on my understanding of the bible based on the above highlighted and I explain below:

The bible in context as a whole is NOT based on how it is divided into laws (Genesis - Deuteronomy), The Prophets (Former: Judges to 2 kings; Major: Isaiah to Ezekiel; Minor 12: Hosea to Malachi) etc. The bible is divided as mentioned just to allow easy accessibility and readability. This is where many people are confused. We often talk about the Pre-law. Where does that fit in the divisions of the bible if the bible division actually starts with the law? This is what I found out in my studies about the division of the bible IN CONTEXT and AS A WHOLE. Allow me to share this with you:

Hebrews 1:1-3 (NIV)

In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven

The bible is simply divided into OLD and NEW TESTAMENT. A testament means, a will, contract, agreement or covenant which God established for/with man. Under the Old testament, two (2) periods of time/ages occurred namely: 1. The Patriarch/Father Age (This is what many refer to as Pre-Law; Genesis to Exodus 19). During this time, God spoke directly to the Patriarchs and sometimes through Angel to communicate HIS WILL or testament if you choose.

2. The Israelite/Jewish Age: Started from Exodus 20 where the nation of Israel was formed and ends with the death of Jesus. During this time, a lot of things took place such as, God appointing a law giver, Moses; God appointed Kings; Judges; Prophets etc. and this is the main reason why we have the bible divided into aspects like Prophets, Wisdom writings, etc. It is just for easy accessibility and readability. Imagine the bible merged together without these proper divisions? The way the bible is divided is also different from its chronological orders. Christ being a Jew, was born and lived under this period. For this reason, He had to obey and fulfill all the Jewish Law during His days. With Christ's death on the cross, an end came to the Law of the Jews, all of it was cancelled and taken away.

Hebrews 9: 15-17

For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance--now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living.

3. Christian Age: Beginning with Acts of the Apostles to Revelation. The is the time we are now and it is named after Christ. It includes us today and will continue until Christ returns. Acts 11:26 (NLT).

When he found him, he brought him back to Antioch. Both of them stayed there with the church for a full year, teaching large crowds of people. (It was at Antioch that the believers were first called Christians.)

Explained is my understand why I dont believed anymore in the pre-law and the old testament which ended after the death of Christ as a whole. It is clear from my explanation that we now have a better covenant or will or testament. The New testament is NOT a book from Matthew to John, they are ending books to the old testament in context when you interpret Hebrews 9:15-17 above into context. I hope this makes it clear to you.

Hence, am willing to discuss the pre-law (Genesis to Exodus 19/20, where the nation of Israel was instituted by God after they left Egypt) with you on tithing if you wish. I guess you also believe the pre-law was later included in the law. If this is what you believe, I have shown you that the old had been taken away and the new established. If you dont believe the pre-law was included in the old that was taken away, then we can still take about it as related to tithing.

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes, Offerings And First Fruits - Do They Apply To Us As Christians? by Goshen360(m): 3:40am On Feb 19, 2012

amor4ce:
I have a suggestion based on an attempt to use the Berean model of Bible Study. How about starting a Bible Series of threads on each Book of the Bible where attempts would be made at arriving at thorough understandings of each chapter. The first could be on Genesis for like 2 weeks (or whatever acceptable threshold) followed by Exodus and so on in that order with each thread beginning with a compilation of suggested topics for discussion and clarification, and no reference to the next Book such that the Book being discussed would have as its foundation the discussions of previous ones. By the time the New Testament is reached there should have been enough grasp useful in seeing clearly issues in the New Testament like Tithes and the Law. God is merciful and I am sure HE wants to guide us. What do you think?

GOD BLESS YOU MY BROTHER. I HAVE CARRIED SAME BURDEN IN MY HEART FOR LONG BUT I WILL SUGGEST WE DO THE NEW TESTAMENT ONLY RATHER THAN THE OLD. THERE ARE MANY THINGS WE CHRISTIANS NEED TO KNOW BECAUSE MANY FALSE TEACHERS ARE DECEIVING MANY CHRISTIANS TODAY AND IT BASICALLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO SOUND AND DEEP BIBLICAL STUDIES. AM 100% IN SUPPORT OF THESE. ALLOW OTHER TO CONTRIBUTE SO WE DECIDE WHERE DO WE START FROM, OLD OR NEW TESTAMENT. THANK YOU.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Picture Speaks Louder Than Words by Goshen360(m): 5:56pm On Feb 18, 2012

@ crossman9, I belong to Jesus Christ. I am NOT a member of Christ embassy. I love the pictures of power in the word of God and the bible as Anti virus to false teachers/prophets anyway.

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes, Offerings And First Fruits - Do They Apply To Us As Christians? by Goshen360(m): 5:21pm On Feb 18, 2012

@ Snowwy,

After we agree on above post, I hope to post how the bible is divided in context and in original scroll format to you apart from the easy readability format of the bible we have today. I will also back up with valid scriptures.

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes, Offerings And First Fruits - Do They Apply To Us As Christians? by Goshen360(m): 5:08pm On Feb 18, 2012

@ Snowwy,

We stay here to release the knowledge. We will compare as many as possible translations to establish our point. The main point is we are both bible student and we must reason together in the holy Ghost and agree so we continue.

Roman 3:21-22 (New Living Translation)

But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Moses and the prophets long ago.

We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.

I think this translation is clear enough that our righteousness is not by keeping the requirements of the law even though the law bear without to the righteousness which is faith in Jesus.

Also, we must establish establish every thing we say by biblical verses and we must both agree on what such bible verse is talking about should we need to check as many as possible translations. King James version is sometimes hard but other translations can help simplify matters.

We must also establish where we both stand so as to agree where we kick-off from. I am NOT of the pre-mosaic groups that still support tithe neither am I of the Law group that supports tithe. Where do you stand? let me know and let's agree and that is where we start from.

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Religious Organizations Be Made To Pay Taxes? by Goshen360(m): 4:25pm On Feb 18, 2012

Without mincing word, CAPITAL YES!

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