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Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 11:58pm On Feb 20, 2012
FXKing2012:
Besides, if it were a sin as such the Bible couldnt have been silent about it while making mention of fornication, adultery and homosexuality. Abortion and being gay were clearly stated in the Bible as being sins.
Abortion - thou shall not kill
Gay -  the case of Sodom in the book Genesis.
So because the bible didn't specifically mention masturba.tion makes it not a sin right? When bible said, thou shall not kill, the bible could have have well said thou shall not commit abortion. The word, "Abrotion" didn't appear in the bible but you use kill to justify abortion. So if the word, masturba.tion didn't appear in the bible, why are you looking for word to justify it as not being a sin. The word, "homosexu.al" didnt appear in the bible also and so you can justify it then as not a sin. The word, "sex-trade and prostituti.on" didn't appear in the bible, so we can say it is not a sin then. C'mon my brother, I THOUGHT YOU KNOW BETTER.

I DO NOT CONDEMN PEOPLE WHO MASTUR.BATE BUT THE ACT ITSELF IS A SINFUL FROM BIBLICAL VIEW, NEITHER DOES THE SON OF GOD CONDEMN THEM BUT WANTS US TO COME TO REPENTANCE FROM EVERY SIN THAT EASILY TRAP US.

Hebrews 12:1
Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us.(NIV)

Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a huge crowd of witnesses to the life of faith, let us strip off every weight that slows us down, especially the sin that so easily trips us up. And let us run with endurance the race God has set before us.(NLT)
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 11:33pm On Feb 20, 2012
tunnytox:
If a married man mast.urb.tes while thinking about his wife who is away how is that a sin?
Psalm 2:1(KJV)
Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

intimacy is designed by God between a man and a woman. Deal with your self control if your spouse is out of town. God help you.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 11:16pm On Feb 20, 2012
Outstrip:
Goshen I went back to your post and there is no scripture there that says self-service is a sin. It is what you believe and you are twisting the word to support it. Why not show were it says that you should not get pleasure from touching yourself. What if you are married. Is it still a sin? Would it be a sin if I touched myself and my husband was out of town. Please just show me a scripture that I can read that says clearly that self-service is a sin. The Bible talks clearly on adultery and fornication so please I am waiting to read it. I think what people do not understand is that when they quote their own scripture to prove a point that is not there it makes christians come across as liars and generally dishonest. Why can't we say something liek the Bible does not say that but I choose of my own free will not to do it. Just like me choosing not to drink. Drinking is not a sin per say but it does nto edify the body in anyway so I choose not to drink. Lets be real here
First of all, let me ask you and you need to say it openly here. ARE YOU BORN AGAIN?

I will respond to the above highlighted. I didn't write the bible. The bible clearly states the process of sin which is thought as conception. Ok. It is not what I believe. It is what the words of the God says. To tell me to give a clear and specific bible verse where the bible clearly points that masturba.tion is a sin is to tell me to show you where the bible clearly point specifically that homosexual is a sin. It is to tell me to show you where it is wrtitten in ink that sex.trade/prostitu.tion is a sin because it is not written in ink. You can as well say abortion is not a sin because it is not written in ink in the bible that it is a sin.  

Seriously; If you have a problem of self-control and you can't hold your body while your spouse is out of town, kindly deal with it by fasting and praying rather than justifying your sinful act with the word of God.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 10:58pm On Feb 20, 2012
FXKing2012:
Now where is goshen's post is it stated that masturba.tion causes you to defile your mind or to lust?
Abeg no lie for my head o. I have not modified my post and you can read it again. I said it plainly undiluted it is a thought that defiles our mind which involves lust and hence makes it impure. The truth remains the truth. You can as well proof to the whole congregation of Nairaland and the world that masturba.tion is not a sin using bible verses as i did just because pastor Chris said so and let's listen to you.

You first said, it is not a sin and later you say there are 2 kinds of masturbatio.n. Again, you referred me to read a post where a woman slept with a dead man. How can you even imagine that. I masturb.ated in the past and I can say it openly but the power of God delivered me. The fact that i did it doesn't make it right and I will not hide under bible verse to twist the word of the Living God to justify my sins lest I face the judgment of God.

God bless you you my brother. I think am tired of this topic. You can as well prove from the bible mastur.bation is not sin rather than just telling us with words of mouth.

Am out of here.
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Quiz by Goshen360(m): 10:38pm On Feb 20, 2012
can i have some more please?
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Quiz by Goshen360(m): 10:37pm On Feb 20, 2012
10. Laban. Gen. 29:20-30.
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Quiz by Goshen360(m): 10:35pm On Feb 20, 2012
No. 9. 7 pillars. Proverbs 9:1
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Quiz by Goshen360(m): 10:33pm On Feb 20, 2012
8. Mountain of Ararat. Gen 8:4
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Quiz by Goshen360(m): 10:29pm On Feb 20, 2012
7. Korah. Numbers 16
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Quiz by Goshen360(m): 10:27pm On Feb 20, 2012
6. Gossip. Proverbs 17:9.
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Quiz by Goshen360(m): 10:23pm On Feb 20, 2012
5. Balaam, Son of Beor. 2 peter 2:15
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Quiz by Goshen360(m): 10:18pm On Feb 20, 2012
4. King Uzziah. 2 chronicles 26:19
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Quiz by Goshen360(m): 10:16pm On Feb 20, 2012
No.3 Ezekiel. Eze 8:8
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Quiz by Goshen360(m): 10:14pm On Feb 20, 2012
No.2. Prophet Jeremiah. Jer 16:1-2
Christianity EtcRe: Should A Christain Be Moved By A Horoscope Prediction? by Goshen360(m): 10:09pm On Feb 20, 2012
Image123:
Yep, stop reading them. Don't allow stargazing to manipulate your life. God has a better plan in the long run.
Can't but agree 100%. Better read the word of the living God than horoscope. Acts 20:32 (NIV)

"Now I commit you to God and to the word of his grace, which can build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.

God bless you.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 9:33pm On Feb 20, 2012
werepeLeri:
and why do you think everyone should agree with your argument? Na you write the bible or are you God who determines what is sinful or not? Abeg.
On the contrary, it is not an argument. So you want everybody to also agree/believe you and your mOG statement that masturba.tion is not sin? You and your mOG said it is not a sin without proving it from the biblical explanations and I have simply proved it is a sin. You can as well do us good to explain to us how and why it is not a sin,ok. I didn't write the bible but the bible, the word of the living God determines what is sin or not.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 9:27pm On Feb 20, 2012
FXKing2012:
Let me clarify this thing once and for all.
There are two types of mastur-bation and they are:
1) Mastur-bation where your mind is filled with immoral thoughts and such thoughts help you achieve erec-tion and ejacu-lation;
2) Mastur-bation where your mind is not involved, the erect-tion and ejacu-lation is achieved only the the feel of the cream on your skin.
This is the first time i ever hear such thing in my whole life. What dictionary gave this 2 kinds masturba.tion. My dear brother, honestly i respect you more than this you are saying. Sincerely. Masturba.tion is mAsturba.tion.

FXKing2012:
[color=#000099]Let me clarify this thing once and for all.
If anybody thinks it's not possible to achieve erec-tion and ejacu-lation without the mind being involved then I urge you to read the link below where a woman Were Intimate with a dead man and got pregnant for the dead man.
She works in a mortuary and she fumbled with the dead man's thing while washing him till the man's things became hard and she used it to get herself pregnant. This means it is possible to achieve erec-tion and ejacu-lation without defiling your mind. The link is: http://africanspotlight.com/2012/01/dead-man-in-mortuary-impregnates-woman/
Can you listen to yourself? A woman having fun a dead man and you want us to take that as biblical ground or reason to support masturba.tion? You want us to take examples of any kind from the world to perfect our walk with God? I think am beginning to loose my trust in you. Am sorry.

FXKing2012:
[color=#000099]Let me clarify this thing once and for all.
So let's quit condemning the MOG and concentrate on more important things such as salvation of souls.
But it doesn't bother you the little leaven that will spread through the whole lump from the pastor? So it doesn't bother that Christ died for these souls that are languishing in sin and they are being told masturba.tion is not a sin. So condemning the statement of a MOG bothers you more? Well, that is unlike Christ my brother.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 9:12pm On Feb 20, 2012
werepeLeri:
Una still dey here dey argue? How many of una don enter toilet ma.stuba.te since this thread start? Hypo hypo hypopotamuses.

If you have never done it before - arise and throw stones at those who have.
That is not the issue my brother. It is one thing to commit sin and admit it is a sin and it is another thing to sin but cover it under bible verses. I have masturb.ated in the past so I can explain it to you. How do you get delivered from a sinful habit when you don't admit it is wrong and sinful. I have shown from the bible masturbatio.n is a sin with bible verses. Let those that says it is not a sin also show us with bible verses that it is not a sin.
Christianity EtcRe: 'maame Water' Caught In A River In Ghana? - Pic by Goshen360(m): 9:03pm On Feb 20, 2012
diluminati:
so ghanaians are equally as dull as 1/2 of nigerians hmmm
Na wha for u o. Take am easy naw.
Christianity EtcRe: 'maame Water' Caught In A River In Ghana? - Pic by Goshen360(m): 9:02pm On Feb 20, 2012
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw9ASi3WdlY?version=3&hl=en[/flash]

This is the true story and please stop spreading false information. Thank you.
Christianity EtcRe: 'maame Water' Caught In A River In Ghana? - Pic by Goshen360(m): 8:58pm On Feb 20, 2012
Joagbaje:
It's a lie. I recieve same picture on my bb. And they claim a girl who slept with a man in a hotel turned to this snake monkey creature
You are right. I hope to get him the pix and link so. People should just stop posting false information on this forum mehn. Beside, that doesn't look like maame water o. haba. smh
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 8:54pm On Feb 20, 2012
@ FXKing2012,

Can you read from page 7 towards the end of the page while masturba.tion is a sin? I hope you get it straight brother. I do not judge you but your statement supporting masturba.tion not a sin is false.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 8:47pm On Feb 20, 2012
Outstrip:
So many pages. self-service is not a sin. I read the first few pages and no one could come up with a scripture that supports their belief that self-service is a sin. I might start paying attention to this man more because I know he is not afraid to tell the truth even if he knows that people with their opinions of what is right or wrong might boycott him.
I gave the biblical point of view how it is a sin. I guess you didn't read my article towards the end of page 7 on this same topic. I also quoted what pastor Chris himself said that it is your body and its got nothing to do with God. Read my article in page 7 above and maybe you can tell us how masturba.tion happens without the process i explained. You can believe any pastor if that is what you choose to but I have decided to believe the living word of God.
Christianity EtcRe: Spiritual Help To All Problem by Goshen360(m): 8:11pm On Feb 20, 2012
Seriously? As in seriously? Smh. Why do men think they are the way, the truth and the solution?
Christianity EtcRe: If Jesus Is God, Then Why Did He Say The Father Was Greater Than He? by Goshen360(m): 8:04pm On Feb 20, 2012
diluminati:
frosbel, let me help you out of your confusion. you need pu.s.s.y to get your head straight.
Smh, na wha for u o. you r too raw.
CrimeRe: I-n-c-e-s-t: Daughter Bears Baby For Own Father by Goshen360(m): 7:46pm On Feb 20, 2012
smh
Christianity EtcRe: Davidic Covenants. What Do You Think As A Christian? by Goshen360(m): 7:43pm On Feb 20, 2012
I think greater than David, Jesus had come and established a better covenant for us. This is my understanding.
Christianity EtcRe: Funny Church Adverts by Goshen360(m): 7:40pm On Feb 20, 2012
Laughing in Spanish language.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 7:22pm On Feb 20, 2012
Pastor Chris said, “It is an unclean habit but it is not a sin against God. It’s got nothing to do with God, it all you and your own body”

First, HE IS WRONG BY THAT STATEMENT and that makes his statement false. Hence, makes him a false teacher.

When a person comes to Christ, such person denies “self”, take up his “cross” and follow Christ and the ways of Christ.

Matthew 16:24
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. (NIV). Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If any of you wants to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up your cross, and follow me.(NLT)

Apostle Paul clearly confirms this to be true of believers and followers of Christ.

Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ. 1 cor. 11:1(NIV)

Hence, Apostle Paul said this to be true when we come to Christ as followers of Christ.

Galatians 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. (NIV). My old self has been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. So I live in this earthly body by trusting in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.(NLT)

1 cor.6:19-20
Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body. (NIV). Don't you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body. (NLT)

Masturb.ation is the self-stimulation to the point of sexual release without the gifting of a spouse.  It is not the sexual design of God for couples but it self-abuse or self-serviced through the mis-used sexual organ of our body which is the temple of God as a believer or follower of Christ. Masturba.tion is a selfish act whereby we take advantage of and abuse God's gift, our sex organ in this case. God cares about what we do with our bodies, in public or in private, and He doesn't want us to abuse ourselves in any way.

Mastur.bation involves sexual fantasies in the thought or mind of a person which makes it not pure and hence becomes a sin. The Bible clearly teaches that our minds are as important to God as our bodies are and that we are to remain pure in both. When mastur.bating, you are defile the mind with obscene thoughts and then defile your body by using it to act out those thoughts. To "defile" means "to make unclean, to make impure."

Every sin and sexual immorality (masturbat.ion inclusive) begins with a thought or lust as established by the bible:


"But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. T[b]hen when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin,when it is finished, bringeth forth death[/b]."James 1:14-15 (KJV)

Matthew 15:19-20a reads, "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications , these are the things which defile a man."

"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).

1 Corinthians 6:18 (NIV)
"Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body." Also bear in mind we established our body is the temple of God after we come to Christ.

The above verse clearly confirms that immoral and unlawful sexual relations defiles our own bodies which happens to be the temple of God.

Having established the above that our body is the temple of the Lord and which does not belongs to us when we come to Christ, we are to honour God with it. We do not own the live we live in our body anymore. Also we establised the precess of sin, beginning with a thought as masturba.tion involves illicit thoughts with mis-use of the organs hence making a man impure or defiles a man. It is therefore established as a sin.

"In the same way count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. For sin shall not be your master for you are not under law but under grace" (Romans 6:11-14).

1Thess 4:2-8 (NIV) For you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God, For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.

"Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God" (2 Corinthians 7:1).
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 5:27pm On Feb 20, 2012
coogar:
the act itself is not a sin against God. it could be a sin against your own body. God has nothing to do with it.
pastor chris is very correct based on that. it only becomes a sin against God if you allow it to dominate you and stop you from worshipping God. the act itself is what you do with yourself. you don't have to involve anyone with it.
Seriously? Isn't this your body the temple of God?

Don't you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body. 1 cor. 6:19-20 (NLT).
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 5:21pm On Feb 20, 2012
buzugee:
homosexuality is mentioned in leviticus 18 vs 22  wink
I know my brother but their argument is that, masturbat.ion is not specifically mentions as a name. The verse you quote is referring to homosexuality as we call it today but that name, "homosexuality" itself doesn't appear in context or in print. So my thought is, because masturbat.ion is not specifically mentioned as name doesn't mean it is not a sin.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 5:15pm On Feb 20, 2012
FXKing2012:
Pls tell me how mastur.bation is harming your body or anybody else for that matter. It is not a sin cos when u do it u harm no one and u dont harm your body.
Lusting after a woman in your heart is a sin cos u defile your mind when u do so.
So how do you masturb.ate without lustful thoughts? I have done it in the past and am not ashamed to say it. So i know what it means to masturb.ate. Can you tell us how one masturb.ates without illicit or lustful thoughts? Am going to show it to you in few minutes how the process is a sin to masturb.ate. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU OF ALL PEOPLE CAN COME OUT OPEN TO SAY THIS.

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