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MaxInDHouse:
About Max:

Those who see you from afar don't know who you are because you're very dubious and pretentious.




























So you're entitled to your own personal opinion! [/quote]

MaxInDHouse:
So there is no verse in support of many Archangels.
Thanks for your time!

Rather, there's no verse in support of Jesus being Michael. Thanks for your time.

Gabrielshow24:
Well, I appreciate your efforts in standing for Christ against those that have nothing but false equivocations to offer.

The same Janosky in some thread defined angel as (man or spirit) that can be sent by God on an errand.

A seemingly yet simple definition that's plagued with unintended implications!!!

In the literal sense of the word, Jesus is a messenger of God - which also happens to be the interpretation of the word "angel".

Based on identity, he is not.
Digging further by probing them into their definitions you can easily see, it's flawed.

It doesn't account for instances or cases where God The Father intends to do something of his own will and does it.

That technically makes God whether they allude is Jesus or not, a messenger - Angel🙃!!!

After all, he is a messenger of himself🤨!!!
You can ask them whether they agree🤔 then you will notice it's something they didn't accomodate for in their initial posits🥲.

This also reflects their own logic against them.
The other cases or extension of that shameless fool's definition, is that as a consequence, the whole of creation became angels🤔 - an unintended consequence from a shallow mind.

Hence from the elegant mind of Janosky, the spirit of trees, to name one, is an angel🤔.

Although he won't allude to it but if you ask him whether or not God could send anyone/anything/any spirit on an errand? You render his elusions void🤔!!!

It's an organization of short sighted and feeble minded individuals!!!

They are very sensitive to logic - not the sensitivity you are familiar🤣🤣🤣

You made me laugh hard. These are very true about them. I like the broader implications of Jesus being an angel which you alluded to above as I quote you again below:

"The other cases or extension of that shameless fool's definition, is that as a consequence, the whole of creation became angels🤔 - an unintended consequence from a shallow mind."

I told Janosky that every Angel is a messenger but not all messengers are angels. He just looked the other way. I told him that God has sent men and women on different errands and messages. Does that make them all angels? He was quoting a scripture that says God sent His angel but neglected the other Scriptures where God sent His Word, His prophets and even fire and brimstones. By the logic of the empty JW miscreant, even brimstones are angels.

In their organization, higher education is a prohibition, hence sound logic is far from that group.

Gabrielshow24:
The point you raised above is spot on!
I have indeed asked them a similar question myself🤔 whether or not Jesus was a fan? 🤨After all, one in a certain place records of him coming with a fan.

A question to this day, they have not provided an answer to!!!

Simple semantics will make you see that "coming with" doesn't equate you with that thing🤨.

Or by someone coming with phone, suddenly equates one to a phone🤔?

Another point, I enjoy is when you raised up the known fact that "Michael is one of the archangels🤨" something to this day, Max and his colleagues have failed to reconcile to the rest of scripture!!!

In some cases, you will find Max blabbing about "first set" 🤔.
When probed further, you will find his "first set" theory - primus conventus - rather implausible as its implications are rather unfortunate!!!

All, I can see is that some men had a preconceived notion of Christ being an Angel - A conclusion, from which they worked backwards to find corroborating premises, neglecting others that "do not fit".

There's little to no difference between them and Muslims, Muslims likewise read the bible from the lens of a preconceived conclusion!!!

Gbam!

You have summarized them at the bolded. Honestly, you nailed it even further by juxtaposing them with Muslims. I have always noticed these similarities. They will ignore all other Scriptures no matter how solid, and hold on to very few Scripture verses they have misinterpreted.

I have asked them many questions my brother. No single answer. Only a weak allusion to another Scripture somewhere already turned upside down by them. Few of the questions are here below:

1. Jesus is the Resurrection and the Life - Is an angel the resurrection and life of anyone? No answer.

2. Jesus is the Bread of Life, the very source of Life- Is an angel the source of your life? No answer.

3. Jesus is the Light Himself. All angels are called Angels of Light, not the Light- Does this make Jesus look like an angel to you? No answer.

4. In Revelation 1:17-18, Jesus referred to Himself as "I am the First and the Last, the One who lived and was dead, and is alive forevermore." If you say the person speaking here is God the Father, you're wrong because God the Father was never dead or resurrected. If you say the person speaking here is angel Michael,, you're wrong again because Angel Michael cannot be the First and the Last. The only conclusion here is that Jesus is the One who died and rose again, and if He's the First and Last, He's definitely God - Now, counter me. No response. Janosky kept barking Revelation 1:1. Maxindhouse feigned deaf and blind.

5. Hebrews 1:1-3 called Jesus the Brightness of God's Glory and the EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON. If only they understand that God's Glory is God Himself. When Moses told God "I want to see you." God replied, "This is how you will see me. My Glory will pass before you..." Christ is God's Glory and Express Image. Does that sound like an angel to the JWs? Till today, they've kept mute about Hebrews 1:1-3 .

There are several other questions I have asked them to which they have not provided a single answer. No single answer except to be abusing people and be quoting words from a different verse they don't don't understand.

I hope Maxindhouse and the empty JW miscreant, Janosky will call themselves to order this time around and be men enough to answer the questions posed to them above.

Gabrielshow24:
Are you answering Max?

You should have known by now that he has nothing logical upstairs.

All what he speaks are nothing but jw indoctrinations!!!

Use methods of reasoning and logic, table all the verses he alludes to, you will he is saying rubbish🧐.

I saw the other time on some thread where he was disputing with someone to provide evidence, that Jesus is not an angel! - I didn't feel the need to provide response 'cause I have come to a conclusion that he's not intellectually sound!!!

The person should have used his own standard against him, then all will see how quick he is to elude things logically unfavorable to him.

Also, in another thread where Max, was condemning trinity saying it can't be found in the bible.

I laughed, the same way Jesus' equivalent to Michael can't be found in the bible but he very well alludes to it. His hypocrisy didn't let him see that, while the "exact word" is not found, the concept of such is found. The same way his claims: Jesus is Michael 🤨 is not found anywhere in the bible but Jw seemingly allude to its concept by looking for correlations between them.

Know the bible, use logic and you will see Max is very much incoherent!!!

You're 100% correct.

Everyone knows this of him. Sometimes he even makes blunders that his fellow JWs become ashamed of. He's indeed intellectually inept.

MaxInDHouse:
The title chief prince totally differ from Archangel just as the word prince differ from the word heir.
There are many princes but only one is designated to inherit the throne.
So while the title Archangel is used for only one angel (Michael) the title chief prince is used for many angels who are closer to God than others that's why Paul could say:

Just name another angel that the title 'chief prince 'was used for. Name one.

The Bible is not a book of angels. Michael is the angel over Israel, and that is why his name was specifically mentioned as an archangel, since the Bible is a book of God's dealings with Israel. The Angel specially told Daniel "There's no one that helps me in these things except Michael your prince..."

The Bible is not the only source for these things. Peter and Jude quoted from other sources not canonized in Nicea . These other sources mentioned some other archangels and their names.

For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 1Corinthans 8:5

There are gods and lords in heaven but only one Archangel has the highest position among them all!

The Bible never said there's only one archangel. That's your own interpolation. There is only one God and one Lord in heaven. Open your ears. On earth there are many gods and many lords. That's what that Scripture is telling you.

Lucifer was an archangel. He was a commander over a host. An archangel is simply a commander in God's host. Ignorance is not bliss.

Now, I'm discussing your points directly, puncturing the loopholes in you're submissions. Why are you shying away from discussing my points? Because there are no loopholes of course!

MaxInDHouse:
You guys aren't trained to debate!

First of all if two people are to debate over something and there is no rule or audience to monitor the debate then each topic has to be discussed with few words that's straight to the point each debator want to establish because you will surely cut off lots of statements that you feel is irrelevant to the debate.

So to debate or discuss with me try to focus on a point and use few words not an epistle expecting me to digest all what you wrote remember you're a lost sheep to me so you can't expect me to start digesting what i view as gibberish and the same applies to you!

See how you're telling lies. You write epistles yourself and we don't quote a phrase out iof your epistle to distort your points.

Who uses phrases as excerpts from full contents if not satanists?

MaxInDHouse:
Please quote verses where these things are mentioned in the Bible.
Thanks!

Did you read where I said Biblical traditions? The fact that Michael is referred to as one of the chief princes and not the only chief prince should be enough for you.

Or tell us that Michael is the only chief prince.

StillDtruth:
Clearly, this is the Jws plan of ensuring that his Lies and Lies are planted for as long as the argument goes on.

Thereby proving that he is indeed a true child of Satan.

So it is him and his kind the bible was referring to when it said we should not argue

2 Timothy 2:23
"But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife (and Lies)

I thought it was only devils and atheists who fall into this well. But now, he proves that both JWs too are members of Satan's family as I have always pointed out

What about Maxindhouse that has the habit of cutting off your entire statements to take a phrase out of context and then pinning the phrase on you to establish another line of discussion? A very dubious character. They all work the same way using different methods. .They're satanists.

Whenever they encounter scriptures that expose their lies, they would simply ignore the Scripture - they won't even say a single word on it but they'll go look for other Scriptures and bring in a distorted view of those Scriptures (just as Janosky has done up there) to make deceitful submissions.

All deceivers actually work the same way as Satan their father. He mixes lies with truth to catch more candidates for hell.

Dalohad:
Dem don smuggle out Ademoyega's names out of the list of protagonists.

You should mention anyone who Ademoyega killed. We only mentioned those who killed people.

kedeojo:
Everybody knows is an igbo coup. IBB is suffering from brain disorder and so I don't expect him to be reasonable again. I thank God he is reaping his many atrocities.

IBB actually clarified on page 39 of his book that "the coup eventually took an unmistakable ethnic coloration compounded by the fact that there was no related coup activities in the Eastern Region."

MaxInDHouse:
Right below is my own submission.
Why do you choose to avoid it?

You never made that submission to me.

God has millions of angels. How many of them are mentioned in the Bible? Answer me.

Tell me where the Bible says the angels that visited Abraham had Michael among them.

Tell me where the Bible says Michael is an angel of the Lord whose duty is to speak for the Lord.

Michael does not run messages for God. He is a warrior angel as depicted in Scripture. Gabriel is the one who delivers messages. Gabriel is also an archangel according to Bible traditions. Gabriel does not fight. He wasn't made for that. Michael fights because he's a warrior.

Bible addressed only Michael as the Archangel but if you have another please quote the verse!

Lucifer was also an archangel. Michael is not the only archangel.

An archangel is simply the angel in command of a certain number of angels. They're also called chief princes. God has millions if not billions of angels with several Divisions. Each division has an angellic leader. That angelic leader is called an archangel. Why are you so ignorant?

You would do well to counter my submission as I have countered yours instead of ignoring to go pick scriptures you don't even understand.

MaxInDHouse:
Please provide one verse in the Bible that say this word for word.

You saw the verses I quoted with it. Why cut them off? You're very dubious.

Please quote a verse where another archangel is mentioned in the Bible
Thanks!

Michael is not the only chief prince. He's obe of the chief princes.

Logistics of January 1966 coup:

Ifeajuna led the Lagos faction that went to Tafawa Balewa’s residence…. He is Igbo

Nzeogwu led the Northern faction in Kaduna…. He is Igbo

Nwobosi led the faction that went to Ibadan and killed Aare Akintola…. He is Igbo

Timothy Oneatuegwu led the faction that went to Ademulegun’s house and killed him and his pregnant wife. He is Igbo.

Timothy Onwatwegu led the faction that went to Ralph Sodeinde’s house in Kaduna…. He is Igbo.

Ezedigbo led the faction that went to Okotie- Eboh’s house…. He is Igbo

Chris Anuforo led the faction that went to Col Kur Mohammed’s house…. He is Igbo

Donatus Okafor led the faction that went to Maimalari’s house. He is Igbo.

Lt Oguchi was sent to the East to kill Okpara…. He spared his life…. He was Igbo.

Everyone who died in the January 1966 coup was killed by Igbos. Nobody from another tribe pulled a trigger that killed anyone in the January 1966 coup.

My own grandfather was one of Awolowo's closest allies. He was also a target of the coup plotters but he escaped and ran to Ghana. He died the shortly after arriving in Ghana. If the coup plotterss targeted Awolowo's allies, how can you call it Awolowo's coup? How can you say they wanted to free Awolowo? My dad of blessed memory used to tell me that God used Awolowo's imprisonment to preserve Awolowo's life. If he had not been in prison, he would have been killed.

To imagine that the January 1966 coup was not an Igbo agenda is an insult on the memory of the Innocent Victims that were brutally killed for no just cause.

So Nzeogwu spoke Hausa fluently and lived in the North…. SO WHAT

Ojukwu was born in the North. Spoke Hausa fluently. Up until he was made Governor of Eastern region, he never lived in the East. He schooled in Lagos and England before joining the military. History remembers him as the warlord that led the Senseless Biafra war.

Zik was born in the North. Spoke Hausa fluently. His parents had to send him home so he could learn the language. He spoke Yoruba fluently. His early political career was in Yorubaland.

That did not stop him from building an Igbo supremacist group called Igbo federal union where he declared that his people were created by God as a special race to lead Africans.

Propoganda has no place in our time. Your fathers killed innocent people… murdered innocent women and even pregnant women. You can never whitewash the sins of your fathers with any kind of Propaganda.

It is obvious that many still carry the DNA of their ancestors. And while they deny the evil committed by their Forefathers, they patiently wait for another opportunity to unleash mayhem, especially in Lagos Yorubaland.

We will never lose guard in Yorubaland Again.

MaxInDHouse:
You are the one who first demanded a word for word quotation so it should start from you.

Why are you lying? Quote where I first made this demand you lied about.

To me everything you people are claiming regarding Jesus being God or Trinity all came from comparing what is found written in the scriptures no verse explicitly says Jesus is God

This is another lie. There are verses that claim Jesus is God. The verses made the claims. Most of what we hold as truth today are claims made by the scriptures. Claims and Assertions are both strong components of faith. We have the claims of scripture that Jesus is God but there is not a single claim of scripture that Jesus is Michael. You can never find such claims. You must be deluded to be looking for assertions when there are claims already ignored by you.

neither can we find the word TRINITY so instead of asking for doctrines in a word for word quotation we must all agree to see reasons with whatever quotation anyone presents for his doctrine.
From my own point of view Jesus is the Archangel Michael before coming to planet earth!

The problem with your point of view is that there is no single claim of Scripture to support your point of view. They're all fabrications made in your head. Here are several Scriptures that claim Jesus is God.

Here are some scriptures that affirm Jesus' divinity:

1. *John 1:1*: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

This verse clearly states that Jesus, referred to as the Word, is God.

2. *John 1:14*: "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

The Word which the Scriptures claimed to.be God became flesh and dwelt among men as Jesus.

This verse also emphasizes Jesus' divinity, calling Him the "one and only Son" who came from the Father.

You cannot see any verse that claims Jesus is angel Michael.

3. *Isaiah 9:6*: "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

This Old Testament prophecy refers to Jesus as "Mighty God."

4. *Hebrews 1:8*: "But about the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever...'"

This verse quotes Psalm 45:6-7, which refers to the Son as God.

5. *Colossians 2:9*: "For in Christ [/b]all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily" form[/b]

Does that look like angel Michael to you?.

Jesus is called our God and Savior:

6. *Titus 2:13*: "while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ."

7. *2 Peter 1:1*: "Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours."

In Revelation 1:17-18

Jesus personally introduced Himself: as the First and the Last:

"When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades".

These are direct Biblical statements. There are many more. The Bible claims Jesus is God.

The most prominent Scripture which guys you to deluded yourself is the Letter of Paul to the Thessalonians where Paul said Jesus would come with the voice of an archangel. How can coming with the voice of an archangel make you an archangel? To be an archangel, you must come as an archangel and not just with his voice. That single isolated scripture with all your distortions of it cannot make Jesus Michael. There are many archangels. Michael is not the only one. Jesus was not even said to be coming with the voice of archangel Michael.

Jesus said he is the First and the Last as quoted for you above.

Who is the First and the Last? Can you answer that question or would you feign blindness? Is an angel the first and the last?

MaxInDHouse:
That's exactly why i said it's not working unless we can have a direct word for word quotation in the Bible that is undeniable like:

"Jesus is God"
Or
"Jesus is the Archangel Michael"

In the absence of this it's better for each person to hold onto his or her own opinion!

Then let it start from you.

Give me a direct word for word quotation from the Bible that says "Jesus is angel Michael "

MaxInDHouse:
Would you also welcome my words when i reference the Bible without asking for a word to word quotation?

I referenced the Bible, quote my words and dissect the references i made. Don't be dubious by cutting out a phrase and neglecting contexts. If you quote the Bible and make references, I'll quote the same Bible and make counter references if I consider your reference to be in deceit.

MaxInDHouse:
Those are your own words not the Bible, i need where it's boldly written in the Bible "Jesus is God"

Thanks!

My words referencing the Bible. Give me what I said in full. Your dubious character of cutting off a phrase from full texts must stop!

MaxInDHouse:
Please quote a verse in the Bible where this is written.
Thanks!

Please quote the full text where you carved this from.

MaxInDHouse:
You haven't shown me a verse that says "Jesus is not an angel"

Emusan and Courz already told me that you're always blind to scriptures. The scriptures above told you that Jesus is God. You're the one that should show me a verse that says Jesus is an angel. All the verses I showed you proved beyond reasonable doubt that Jesus is not an angel.

"But to the Son, he said "Your throne oh God... "

MaxInDHouse:
Quote the verse that denies Jesus being an angel!

Here are some scriptures that distinguish Jesus from angels:

1. Hebrews 1:4-5 "So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs. For to which of the angels did God ever say, 'You are my Son; today I have become your Father'?"

Note: God has never said to any angel "You are my son, today I have become your Father." He said it only to the Son who is also called God in verses 8 and 9.

Also note the question "To which of the angels...?" If Jesus was an angel, the question would have been "To which of the other angels ..."

Can you see it? Or you want StillDtruth to come and force the truth into your JW head?

2. Hebrews 1:8-9: "But about the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever...'"

Note: The Son is explicitly called God.

Let me show you one more scriptures. There are so many including Revelation 1:17-18 where Jesus said to John "I am the First and the Last. The one who lived and was dead and is alive forever more..." Your co-traveller on the path of destruction (may God show you mercy), Janosky ignored this verses in the other thread and was barking Revelation 1:1. That JW cult miscreant needs some spiritual eye surgery.

My dear, hear what Paul said below:

Galatians 1:8, Paul says:

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!"

Notice that Paul didn't say "If we or another angel..." if Jesus was an angel, Paul would say "If we or another angel..." By simply saying "If we or an angel..." Paul is saying there has never been an angel to bring the gospel, if any angel brings another gospel in future, let him be cursed. You see, he said "another gospel" because there had been a gospel. He didn't say "another angel" because there had been no angel.

Janosky:
Pls shove your question into your toilet.

Revelation 1:1 is in your Bible but not in your heart.

I pity you. What does your own Revelation 1:1 say that makes all other parts of Revelation irrelevant to you?

Ohyoudidnt:
FORGIVE THEM FATHER FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO AND SAY

My prayer for you of course. Sadly, your Quran doesn't have such prayers. Only beheading for those who rejected Mohammed.

1. Talking about the Messiah is talking about Islam? Did you go to school at all?

2. Opening another mention is the same as opening a thread? How old are you?

Janosky:
Revelation 1:1
"This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass".

@ Matthew 12:15-18, Jesus said himself is a servant of whom?

LYING miscreant ,if you get liver Edit Revelation 1:1 in your Bible nau.

Empty JW cult miscreant, son of the devil, Revelation 1:1 didn't say anything I have not said. It was John's own written introduction to the Book of Revelation. What's special about Revelation 1:1? Is that the only scripture they put in your head? Your eyes are blind to other scriptures because of Revelation 1:1 that you don't even understand! God gave Jesus a Revelation. Normal, the Father is the source of all Revelations. Jesus is the One who administers it to His Church. He can send mean or angels to deliver His word. What's special about Revelation 1:1 exactly that this JW cult miscreant is always crying about!

Revelation 1:17-18

"When I saw him, I fell at His (Jesus) feet as though dead. Then He (Jesus) placed His right hand on me and said: 'Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead (crucified), and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.'[/b"

That is Jesus in a visual and tangible interaction with John. He is the First and the Last. Kee kissing your smelly deceits.

[b]Acts 2:33-36, Peter said God made Jesus Lord and Christ..

The God his Father made Jesus & sent Jesus His messenger angel, envoy.

Kiss the truth.

Where's your truth after making Jesus an angel. Yest it's good that you agreed that the Father made His Son Lord and Christ. That's the Bible truth. But who is this Lord and Christ? Is it angel Michael? That'd the devil's lie! Here's the Lord we're talking about:

1 Corinthians 8:6 (NIV)

"...for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but [b]one Lord, Jesus Christ, THROUGH WHOM ALL THINGS CAME (Including Michael) and through whom we live."

Empty headed JW miscreant, do you see any difference between God the only God and Jesus the only one Lord in the above scripture? Blind Freemason, do you see that all things including Michael came into existence through the only one Lord Jesus Christ?

Janosky:

LYING miscreant, is John 5:19 & John 12:49 written in your own Bible?
You don't understand anything,so Stop deceiving yourself.
Every angel speaks the message Yahweh gives them.
Jesus Christ is no exception.
Jesus Christ confirmed he speaks Yahweh's messages, John 14:24, John 12:49. John 7:16..

Everyone including prophets speak the message God gives them. Okay? JW cult miscreant. Son of the devil, Jesus clearly introduced Himself in the Book of Revelation and spoke directly to John as early as Revelation 1:17-18. The letters were directly Jesus' own words to the churches.

In Acts 10:36, Peter said Jesus is the Lord of all.

"The message he declared was good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all."

LYING miscreant, did Jesus say "it is written" in your own Bible?

You are rejecting John 12:49 & John 5:19,30.

Archangel Michael copied Zechariah 3:1-2 "Yahweh (LORD) rebuke you" @ Jude 1:9.
Gotham, Stop deceiving yourself.

John 12:49 and John 5:19-30 never said Jesus is the only one who speaks from the Father. Every child of God with a message speaks the same way. Revelation 1:17-18 is Jesus introducing Himself to John and calling Himself the First and the Last.

Empty JW cult miscreant, hater of truth, son of the devil, you shall by yourself spread your own folly.

Ohyoudidnt:
1. You don't seize to expose your ignorance.
Where did Prophet Muhammad pbuh say he was bringing something new regarding the supreme nature of one God and his interaction with his creation?

Then as long as he didn't bring anything new, he left the world the way he met it. Then, what makes him any important in the scheme of things?

That people behave in inappropriate manner does not translate to religion prescribing and encouraging it.

The difference is that all those who did evil in the name of Islam got heir inspirations from the Quran.

Reality is the skewed way the world operates with a person with believed association with Islam is called a religious terrorist yet if of another faith a different classification is given fron the large expanse of language.

That skewed operational way resides in the heads of Muslims. When someone shouts Allah Akbar before committing mass murder, he's an Islamic terrorist. If he did't do it for Islam, then he's a criminal. Presently as we speak, somewhere in the world, someone is being beheaded for Islam as you read these texts right now. That's how murderous and satanically infused that your religion is. If anybody comes out to murder anyone shouting the name of Jesus or yelling Hallelujah, he's a Christian terrorist of course. But you just need to point me to one.

2. Correctly said the prophet Muhammad pbuh lived around 1400+ years ago but please ascertain the community of paper for documentation in the area where he was. Why were writings on leaves, animal skin, tree barks etc.

My dear, scrolls were all over the known works in the days of mohammed. He himself had access to many scrolls. The absence of writing material itself does not support your claim. You're not even getting it. The builders of the pyramids could in write, and those who came after them who could write had no information. If they had information, they'll write what the builders didn't write. Since the said founders of the ka'aba didn't write about the monotheistic nature of its establishment, those who came after and could write would write about it if it is truly monotheistic as you claimed. There are Arabic books pre-mohammed. Stop lying. There were the Safaitic inscriptions, Nabataean inscriptions, Pre-Islamic poetries.

3. Are you absolutely sure the builders of
the pyramids couldn't write yet they built such enormous structures that modern and present day builders marvel on how it was achieved?

When I said "they couldn't write" that does not mean they have no ability to write. 'They couldn't write' can have several reasons attached to it.

Please what documented interaction with a former builder of any of these pyramids? Don't just try to make points without considering them[/quote,]
I have never referred to any such documentation.

[quote]4. Abraham's journey as recorded in the Bible perhaps but how come the interaction with Hagar? He left his father's land where and migrated to ? Where did he transverse? Is your Bible an absolute record of all historical travels?

Hagar was most likely bought as a slave from slave traders. Abraham didn't go to Arabia to pick her. Slave traders in those days do move around. Moreso, Hagar was an Egyptian not an Arabian. And we all know Abraham did visit Egypt. Abraham never married Hagar. He impregnated her at the instance of Sarah when she couldn't give Abraham a child.

5. You shamelessly make a useless and vulgar claim about Aisha peace be upon her. You really think the Arabs will have supported so young a marriage even at that time?

Are you books lying? It seems you don't even know your religion. I'm telling you what you books have written about Mohammed and Aisha. If there's anything vulgar about the claims, you should allege your books instead.

6 indeed. Your brother Mightysparrow shares stuff he gets from one apologists on YouTube and definitely he's not the only one.
I have seen some and find some reasoning far below expectation. Faulty premise and conclusion. Very poor jokes if anything at all.

Don't you have time to criticize Islam despite shallow knowledge?

Do you know what is said to be cost benefit analysis? Where sometimes you allow something to solve a problem weighing in on a weaker consequence effect.

Sometimes, when I see ignorant Muslims talking like this to defend that false religion, I shake my head in pity. Obviously, you cannot be a Muslim if you're not spiritually blinded. These things are plainly written in your own books. Rather than address the matters headlining, you always prefer to spin the stories to give them a new colouration. Even your wisest interpolations always come off as illogical and lacking in sensibility. Yet you must dance with it as long as it proves your loyalty to your false prophet. That you do as the expense of your own soul.

Why must you open another thread? Is it too much or complicated to mention concisely here?

See who claims no one in Christendom has time yet you are jumping all over opening threads.

Hey, can you show me where I said I'll own a new thread? It is this apparent lack of understanding in you Muslims that's affecting you in seeing the deception in your Quran. Go back to what I said again. People who cram a book without understanding what they're crammng are only brainwashed. There cannot be any sound knowledge that breeds sound judgement in such an oppressive practice.

When exactly did I say Christians don't have time? These are the types of twisting and false narratives you Muslims are known for.

Ohyoudidnt:
Seriously! You are ignorant of the strict monotheism, submission to the will of Allah and acceptance? Worship, moral conduct for self and community, eternity and consequences? The great mercy of Allah.

My dear, these are mere rituals with no guarantees for the lost soul of man. There are at least 5 monotheistic religions in the world. Mohammed didn't bring anything new. All religions submit to the will of their gods. Most religions uphold moral conduct much better than Islam which kills unbelievers and legalize bloodshed. The case of Deborah in Kano is still fresh.

It is sad that the human race has advanced in such a manner to have the wrong views about documentation. There have been non paper type documentation that served remarkably well in the past. Do you not wonder why they haven't found documents on how the Egyptian pyramids were designed and built? There indeed are many other pyramids in Sudan and environs. The lack of a documented design and construction plan does not remove the reality of the existing pyramids which are amongst the wonders of the world.

Will you say because there's no seen plan seen used to build the ancient pyramids they weren't built? Do you also believe Africans had no formal records as they depend on the west and neglect that the first documented libraries are in Africa, Timbuktu Mali?

You don't need all these useless talk. Mohammed surfaced in the world barely 1,400 years ago when that world was already populated with books. Are you telling me that there were no books in Arabia in Mohammad s day? The Pyramid narratives don't fit. Should I tell you why? The builders can't write and those who could write after them had no information. But in this case, we have books telling us of the polytheistic nature of the ka'aba but not telling us of its monotheism. The whole thing about the ka'aba is a lie. Abraham never visited that site let alone establishing it for crying out loud. You cannot find any document in the history of Arabia giving any credence to this tale. Abraham only visited the site in the Quran but not in reality. The journey of Abraham never went beyond the Negev Desert, Mesopotamia, Canaan and Lebanon, and had a little stop over at Egypt. Abraham never journeyed with Ismael who was separated from his father at the age of 14. That was the last time Abraham ever set his eyes on Ismael. This is the plain truth. The Arabians know this for the truth and never disputed this fact until Mohammed came to spin a new history.

The ka'aba was established by the Arabs. All the 360 gods they worshipped were found there. It has never had any monotheistic existence since its inception. You cannot dispute this fact without lying or talking in abstraction.

Perhaps you can tell the idol a particular tribe worshipped that was spared. How the idol looks and is worshiped then explain how the other tribes were convinced or compelled to abandon their own idols.

Mohammed conquered Mecca and simply destroyed all other gods to retain Allah - his tribal god.

You should look into how and why the girl baby was killied in jahiliyah Arabia first. That a concept is told doesn't necessarily confirm it and indeed you know too little about such conduct though may be aware of some in present day. Even worse the forceful copulation of toddlers barely even 2 years.

Was Aisha not a toddler at 4 when Mohammed started fingering her?

Go on your own independent study not what you are guided to believe. You will find the truth not the falsehood you are guided to wrongly believe.

You're the ones who actually guide your children to believe one thing or the other about Christianity. No one has time to be talking about Islam in Christendom. It's inconsequential in the scheme of things. Everything I know of Islam today is mostly by my own personal findings, and that added to the little I knew before my family became Christian.

The issue of Camel's urine was a singular case in respect of one tribe and has a full story. Research and read it up.

If you understand what is ablution and appropriately know what polluted water is and how health is promoted in various guidance in Islam.

It does not erase the fact that Mohammed affirmed the use of a particular stinking water full of sewage.

I will appreciate you restating these questions in a concise and precise manner so they can be attended to unless you have jumped them up in this last post of yours.

Did prophet Muhammad make himself a Messiah or try to? Tell me who the Messiah is and stop shying away unless you cannot do justice to explain?

Maybe I'll open a different mention for a discourse about the Messaiah. It seems you missed everything I said previously about the topic.

Ohyoudidnt:
A closed mind can not see otherwise. There are literal meanings and symbolic when the same words are used metaphorically.

Do you claim these metaphors are not abound in rhe Quran?

Was he speaking metaphor when he announced Allah's warning that his aorta would be cut off if he was a receiver? Lol. The announcement was a warning but the fulfillment a metaphor according to Mr. critical thinker. Open your mind and think now. If someone is deceiving you, must you deceive yourself?

The context is what you refuse to see.
Did prophet Muhammad pbuh complete the deliverance of the message?

Which message exactly? What message has Islam?

Did he return the Kaaba to it's original state where Allah alone is worshipped? Yes.

Can you produce any documents before mohammed that claim Allah was the only one worshipped in the kabba before it turned polytheistic? For your information, the kabba has always housed many gods including Allah. It had no original state other than the state in which Mohammed met it.

Were all idols in it removed and all idolatry in the Kaaba stopped? Yes

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All other idols were removed to promote only one idol - the idol of Mohammed's clan.

Did he achieve the social change from ignorant practice in Arabia from killing the female baby? Yes.

Stop killing the female baby but marry them at 6, finger them till they clock 9, and marry them on their 9th birthday Hahaha.

How about the many people that murderer killed? Including the woman he tied to beasts to be torn apart alive. Very wicked soul!

Did he stir towards the upholding of best morals amongst mankind in servitude to Allah? Yes.

Which best morals exactly? Caravan robbery or pedophilia? These are all the hallmarks of Mohammed including bloodletting. Or are we to talk about drinking camel's urine for healing, or to use stinking waters for ablution? Best morals indeed. A man must be demented to see all these as best morals.

What do you mean by Eternity is noti religion? Is there a typographic mistake? If there is or Isn't what are you trying to say?

I'm telling you that religion does not procure salvation.

Eternal dominion and messiah or what? Will the Israelites not start having a feel of this fron here? Will there be tribes in paradise?

Face the questions I asked you dear. No k e is asking about the eternal dominion of the Messiah whom you don't know and whose message you have referred in preference for that of an imposter.

Tell me what messiah means and how different it is from Mashiah in Hebrew please ?

Have you been skipping the all the posts I made in response to you so far? There I explained what the term Messaiah means, how it has a different meaning in Islam and how the messaiah is the most superior prophet the Jews are still expecting today. I explained that the Messiah is God's Salvation among men. He is the centre of the whole of man's interactions with God. There's no prophet who can ever get greater than the Messaiah. If Mohammed knows who the Messiah is, he would have made himself the Messaiah instead of acknowledging Jesus. His ignorance is good for your soul if you indeed love the truth.

Ohyoudidnt:
I mistook the fact your reasoning ia barely even elementary.

What idiom is referred to? You have already lost track?


You need elementary tutelage I see.

The phrase"انقطاع أبهرى(aortic rupture) refers to a serious medical condition where the aorta, the body's main artery, tears. However, in a non-literal or metaphorical context, it evokes a striking and dramatic separation—one that is sudden, overwhelming, and deeply impactful.

The word انقطاع"** (discontinuation, rupture, or severance) implies a break, a sudden end, or a forceful detachment.
The word "أبهرى", aortic, related to the aorta metaphorically suggests something vital, life-sustaining, or deeply rooted.

Together, انقطاع أبهرى, ainqitae 'abhraa describes profound emotional rupture—perhaps the loss of something essential, like love, beauty, or passion, in a way that is both breathtaking and tragic. It reflects beauty intertwined with loss, as if something magnificent was abruptly taken away, leaving a visceral absence, much like the sudden and devastating impact of an aortic rupture in a literal sense.

This phrase could be poetic, capturing moments of heartbreak, the conclusion of a life-altering experience, or even an artistic representation of the delicate balance between beauty and suffering.

Please use a dictionary which you should know how to use if certain words are not clear .

In the wisdom of Allah a prophet was sent to the Arabians who spoke with them in the language of Arabic which they understood. This was to effectively communicate the guidance from Allah. This as mentioned is to prevent them from complaining that no one came to them as stated in the Quran. Do the Ethiopians majorly speak Arabic?

No, the most widely spoken languages in Ethiopia are Amharic (the official working language), Oromo, Tigrinya, Somali, among others.

How then can Islam be an Arabian religion when the king of Ethiopia agreed with the truths of the message?


Is messiah same as Moshia in Hebrew language?

The anticipated eternal dominion of the Messiah in relation to Jesus as is commonly interpreted remains unfulfilled because pervasive injustice and human suffering stand in stark opposition to the envisioned reign of peace and righteousness..

My dear go and sit down!

Who's asking you to explain what the aorta cutting phrase means? We're telling you his aorta was cut off as predicted to confirm that he was a false prophet. Are you this empty?

He was the one who wore that his God said if he were a liar, his god would cut off his aorta. Then, before he died, he complained that felt his aorta being cut off. More or less like a confession: "I have been deceptive and now I can feel my aorta being cut off ." You're making a long useless post just to cover up and defend nonsense. You better sit up. Eternity is noti religion.

You will do well to go read my posts about the Messaiah again. No one is here to discuss His eternal dominion with you. These are things higher than you. What I'm telling you is that Mohammed cannot be more important than the Messaiah. If only you know what the Messaiah means.

Highly commendable.

Ohyoudidnt:
Anger? Referring to yourself?

Sadly if you cannot develop beyond your preferences for fairy tales and keep tied to the elementary fantasy of Disney comics, you just won't get it.

You as a non Arab with terrible bias cannot appreciate the very rich language and it's metaphorical statements. The influence of culture and context used in differentiating figurative from literal meaning.

You are incapable of independent thought and critical thinking to appreciate the emotional and contextual use of this Arabic idiom and probably a lot more.

I hope you grow up mentally and psychologically soon.

Lol. Just tell us that Islam is an Arabian culture that was dispersed into the world. It's not a real deal. What's really rich about the culture of praying useless prayers for the dead? Hey, if you think it holds any good meaning for your life, you would have said it boastfully. But of course, you can't. You only want to abuse me and make blanket statements that make no sensible import. I chalk you to highlight any particular benefit of the so called richness of the culture of praying for dead people. It is only rich in your head. If you want to keep wasting your energy in pbuh, keep up but let me give you a gust - that action has neither profit nor loss.

Hey, Mr critical thinker, I see you ignored the iorta points and focused on what makes you happy. Mohammed was a false prophet. Confirmed. His iorta was cut off to establish this truth.

Ignored the Messaiah talks again? I will tell you the truth for the umpteenth time that the Messaiah is the fulcrum around which everything rotates. All the prophets pointed towards the Messiah. If Mohammed acknowledged Jesus as the Messiah, then, he can never be greater than the Messaiah. The Messaiah is the Salvation of God among men; the coming judge and the head of God's anticipated eternal Kingdom. The Jews are still earnestly looking for Jim today. They missed Jesus as the Scriptures foretold. If Mohammed knew what the Messaiah truly meant, he would never have acknowledged Jesus as the Messaiah because he was only out to deceive and to create a religion around himself. But God has allowed him to be this ignorant so that those who love the truth would eventually see the truth.

Ohyoudidnt:
How easy it is for you to show your shallow learning - - assignment pending.

Who says Abraham pbuh is not already blessed? If you understand the supplication for blessings on Muhammad pbuh you will see this but sadly the ignorant slanderin g of your apologetic evangel Christians blinds you. See a debt of misleading.

In Christendom prayer for the dead is useless but I wonder if this is entirely correct. Why the funeral prayers and wake keeps? Tell me these are strictly for the living. How come you just don't bury the dead?

You can not comprehend how praying for the Prophet is a means to praying for yourself.

Let's give you a free lesson if you can learn anything outside your apologetic ignorant mumbo jumbo.

انقطاع أبهرى ; ainqitae 'abhraa, aortic dissection or cutting aorta is an Arabic idiom that translates to mean remarkable interruption.
It is often used to describe an unexpected break in routine or normalcy. It conveys a sense of impressiveness and astonishment, applicable in various contexts like storytelling or social discussions. This idiom showcases the rich tradition of storytelling and eloquence in the Arab world, emphasizing the significant impact that unexpected events can have on our lives.

In the hadith the phrase transcends a simple medical diagnosis. This phrase captures the emotional and spiritual turmoil surrounding the Prophet's approaching death. The deep sorrow he feels reflects the burden of a mission accomplished in the face of societal challenges.

Sadly the jealousy and hatred of many twists the truth in usual fashion to say he was poisoned. Please tell me which poison takes that many years to kill from a slight if any administration? Show some learning John. This is not BATMAN entertainment but reality.

Look, you're just ranting for nothing. Rants don't make lies into truth. We were once Muslims. But today, we give God all the glory. We left that darkness. That pitch darkness.

Pray for yourself dear. Pbuh is useless for the dead, okay? Exercise your spiritual energy in something meaningful if you have any.

Christians don't pray for the dead during funerals. We only celebrate their lives. We don't pray for them. Wake keep is just for honoring the life they lived.

You're twisting your own Quran because you don't want to face the truth. What's there to envy about Mohammed? Is it his murderous lifestyle or his lying personality? Or his caravan robbery business? Lol.

He himself wrote that Allah said he'll cut off his iorta if he was found to be deceitful. Years later as he was dying, he cried that he could feel like his iorta was being cut off. False prophet confirmed.

You still ignored what I said to you about the Messaiah? You think I hate you by telling you the truth? Any demon that makes you angry when you're being fed with the truth is actually aiming for your destruction.

Put your anger aside and open your eyes. The eternal destination of your soul will depend on it. Mohammed has done his own and passed. Sadly, he was not saved. Now, it's your turn, use it wisely.