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Ohyoudidnt:
Fortunately the part that interests you most is what you respond to and it shows your envy of one who the almighty, angels and mankind send blessings on.

Why do you ignore Abraham on who blessings are also sent?

Well it's typical and within your personal rights.

I'm giving you a fundamental truth. Abraham is already blessed. There's no amount of blessing you send him that would increase his blessings. Prayers for the dead is useless They're actually the ones who can intercede for you.
Mohammed on the other hand is not blessed. He even had his iorta cut as proof that he was a false prophet. No amount of blessing you send to.him can change his fate. You guys are just ignorant of spiritual realities. None of the prophets who came before Mohammad was ignorant of this reality. Till today, the Jews show their love for their deceased loved ones by saying "May his memory be blessed." That is it. Only the remembrance of the person can be a blessed recall. The dead person himself or his fate is not influenced by prayers, blessings or curses. A lot of ignorance reels in that religion.

Did you ignore what I said about the Messaiah? You better sit up and find eternal peace for your soul.

Janosky:

Gotham,Would Jesus perform anything & speak anything without Yahweh's command ?
No nau.

Open your eyes to Psalms 103:20, John 12:49 & Revelation 1:1.
Yahweh MUST give the Command.
John 12:49,Then,Jesus His angel MUST Obey or other angels MUST Obey with Jesus support.
Psalms 103:20 & Revelation 1:1, Yahweh talk am.
John 12:49, Jesus Christ must do am.....

No matter who gives the command, that dies not make Jesus Michael. We understand the relationship between the Father and the Son quite well but you don't.

Jesus never says, I say unto you in the name of Yahweh. Does He? He gives the rebukes and commands as coming directly from Himself. Michael can never dare do that. He had to rebuke Satan in the name of the Lord Jesus. There's only one Lord according to the scriptures. And Jesus is the only one Lord in all the universe.

Janosky:
Who is the "Lord" @ Jude 1:9?
Let's start....

Let the Bible answer you directly. You can now argue with the scriptures if you like.

Here are some powerful Bible verses that declare Jesus as Lord:

1. Romans 10:9 says, "Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved" ¹ ².

2. Revelation 19:16 describes Jesus as "King of kings and Lord of lords" ¹ ².
3. Matthew 28:18-20, Jesus himself declares, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me" ¹.

1 Corinthians 8:6 states, "Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live"

Shhhh, there are no two Lords. Only one Lord - the Lord Jesus, through whom ALL THINGS CAME INTO EXISTENCE including Michael.

4. 1 Peter 3:15 encourages believers to "honor Christ the Lord as holy"

Revelation 1:17-18[b]

.Revelation 1:17-18 says:

"And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; [b]I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

[quote author=Janosky post=134375297]Who is the "Lord" @ Jude 1:9?
Jesus is Lord, not Michael.

"Please note that "CONTEND & dispute" @ Jude 1:9 were verbal exchanges which led to the statement of 'rebuke' from archangel Michael.

I'm not even talking about the contention here. I'm talking about the fact that Michael couldn't directly rebuke Satan. Even I, a child of God directly rebuke Satan. I say, "I rebuke you Satan in the name of Jesus," and he bows. I can narrate uncountable experiences. The thing is that those of you who reduce the Lord Jesus to a mere angel can never experience His power in your lives. You don't even know what you're missing.

The point you are missing is this:
@ Matthew 4:10 Jesus performed Yahweh's word and obeyed Yahweh's voice to REBUKE the devil.
" You MUST worship Yahweh your God, only Him you MUST serve."(Jesus copied Deuteronomy 6: 13).

Dis He say "Yahweh rebuke you." He rebuked him directly and even said "Get thee behind me!". That's superiority and authority! That's my Jesus!

@ Zechariah 3:1-2, "Yahweh rebuke you" was copied in Jude 1:9.

In both Matthew chapter 4 & Jude 1:9/Zechariah 3:1-2, it is the command of Yahweh that REBUKE the devil.
Likewise,Revelation chapter 20:1-2, the command came from God Yahweh @Revelation 1:1/Psalms 103:20 & executed by Jesus Christ in tandem with other angels.
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See, stop all these deceits. Jesus does not rebuke Satan in the name of anybody. He never rebuke any demon in anybody's name. Michael rebuked Satan in he name of the Lord. Give me the instance in which Jesus rebuked Satan in the name of Yahweh or anyone.

Hey Jesus is not Michael. Jesus is Lord of lords and King of kings. Not Michael.

Janosky:
Archangel Michael "strengthened" the angel to overcome the Prince of Persia & later this same angel "is about to return to engage the same Prince of Persia in another battle as well as the Prince of Greece, @Daniel 10:20-21.

Jesus Christ archangel Michael is the leader of all angels in battle and Victory, this fact is scripturally confirmed.
Matthew 25:31, 2 Thess 1:7-8 & Revelation 12:7-9.

Janosky!!! Must you lie?

This is Daniel 10:13, show me how Michael strengthened the angel!


"But for twenty-one days the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia blocked my way. Then Michael, one of the archangels, came to help me, and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia."

The Angel was helped by Michael who continued to fight the king of Persia to relieve the angel to carry on with his mission to Daniel. The Angel returned to go continue fighting alongside Michael. Is this your Jesus!

The Daniel 12:20-21 you quoted never said Michael strengthened the angel but rather an angel, not Michael, strengthened Daniel. Janosky!!! I pity you!!

Daniel 12:20-21

"Do you know why I have come to you? Now I must return to fight against the prince of Persia, and when I am through with him, the prince of Greece will come. But I am to tell you what is inscribed in the book of truth. There is no one with me who contends against the prince of Persia except Michael, your prince."

Is this your Jesus! I ask again!
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Ohyoudidnt:
It depends on what is seen to be truth. I am aware Trump intends to focus on Nigeria after resolving what is the Russia - Ukraine conflict. He says this is to address injustice over decades however was it just to almagamate diverse tribes to suit an economic goal in the past?

There is nothing new about the Civil/Biafra war issues, the greed of some Nigerians including those who may be Biafra but more importantly is the interest of the west that won't let go of the wealth within the geographical region called Nigeria. Indeed the pretense in human action cannot be overlooked.

We are barely scratching the surface regarding our human and mineral resources yet some foreigners see these well. The wanton theft of mineral resources hidden behind a strategically grown insurgency. The fret at the refining capacity of the Dangote refinery, the never commissioned to function Ajaokuta steel industry, the irony that Nigeria is about the world's largest producer of Yam and Cassava yet no meaningful derived revenue?

If you see the Prophet Muhammad pbuh as a terrorist for encouraging people to obey the supreme and engage in best interaction it is your opinion. Indeed the thieves and armed robbers see effective and honest police as terrorists. Perhaps your pain stems from him not being from Israel. It is as is.

Mohammed deceived you, open your eyes. Which peace be upon him. Listen, you cannot send peace on someone who is already dead. That itself is deception.

The Quran is just full of lies, lies and lies.

Which supreme commanded Mohammad to kill people for God when Jesus the Messiah who came before him already abolished physical punishment? Or you don't know that the whole scripture points to the Messiah? Everything all the prophets who prophesied before Mohammad preached put all focus on the Messaiah as the Saviour and the only One who can lead us straight to God. Look, if Mohammed had understood what the word 'Messiah" means, he would never have called Jesus the Messaiah because he was only out to deceive and not to speak why truth. If Jesus is the Messaiah, then, Mohammed is useless in the scheme of things even if he were a true prophet. The Jews are still waiting for the Messaiah till today. They missed Him as the scriptures already foretold. The problem with you Muslims is that you're very ignorant. If you know the meaning and import of the Messianic prophecies and personality, the moment Mohammed admitted Jesus to be the Messaiah, you'll quickly leave him and cling to the Messaiah. A Muslim on this forum once said that Islam has a different meaning for the term "Messaiah". I just laughed. Is Islam the originator of the term? If they changed the meaning in Islam, can't you see how obvious the deception is?

I just pray God opens your eyes before it's too late.

AbuTwins:
Freeing a Muslim man is better than all these Bible verses that condone slavery!
Not once did Jesus or your God ever said anything about freeing believers!

Verses of Slavery in the Holy Bible
1 Peter 2:18
Slaves should remain submissive, with every fear, to masters, not only those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are crooked.

1 Timothy 6:1 6
All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered.

1 Corinthians 7:21
Were you a slave when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so.

Colossians 3:22
Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.

Ephesians 6:5 NLT
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

1 Timothy 6:1-2
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.

Luke 12:47-48
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.”

Alhamdulillah for Islam! At least slaves can be freed! Not perpertual servitude as in the Bible!

These scriptures were written to Christians who were slaves of unbelieving masters to be submissive and not be disloyal to their masters or commit any crime. Do you want them to write to them to riot against their masters who bought them rightfully or what?


These are the scriptures written to Masters which you blindly overlooked:


1. Ephesians 6:9 (KJV)

"And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him."

2. Colossians 4:1 (KJV)

"Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven."

These scriptures emphasize the importance of treating servants with fairness, kindness, and respect, reminding masters that they also have a heavenly Master who holds them accountable.

I wonder wonder whether you expected the Bible to write unto slaves to slap their masters or to run away or something!

The Bible is about absolute justice and righteousness. If you're a slave, do not disobey or disrespect your master. If you're a master, do not use your servant derisively. Balanced!

Emusan:
Definitely!

For instance look at the scenario where Apostle Peter was talking about last day.

"And by the same word, the present heavens and earth have been stored up for fire. They are being kept for the day of judgment, when ungodly people will be destroyed." - 2 Peter 3:7

An average JWs will only focus on last part of verse 7 where it says "... ungodly people will be destroyed"

As God will only destroy wicked people and earth and heavens won't be destroyed to justify watchtower doctrine of LIVING FOREVER ON PLANET EARTH.

Meanwhile, the rest of that same 2 Peter 3 expressly talked about the very ELEMENTS that made up Earth and Heavens

As seen below.

8 "But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day. 9 The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment. 11 Since everything around us is going to be destroyed like this, what holy and godly lives you should live, 12 looking forward to the day of God and hurrying it along. On that day, he will set the heavens on fire, and the elements will melt away in the flames. 13 But we are looking forward to the new heavens and new earth he has promised, a world filled with God’s righteousness.

Even a secondary school student should understand this plain & simple sentences but yet you see an adult rejecting it just because some men in Warwick say don't believe it.

Just the same way when Jesus was talking about His flesh and blood, Christ made it clear that whoever did not eat His flesh and drink His blood will not have part in Him.

Yet Watchtower teaches that ONLY FEW SELECTED people need to eat and drink Christ's flesh and blood.

From the horse mouth Himself:
"So Jesus said again, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you cannot have eternal life within you. But anyone who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise that person at the last day." - John 6:53-54

This is seriously serious.

From your explanation, they don't read the Bible. They only read any part that highlights watchtower teachings, then become blind to the rest of the passage. Their brains are even locked so that the rest of the passage has no meaning to them. It's the devil's trick to use half truth to destroy the lives he wants to destroy.

Let's tell JWs that the whole Bible is the Word of God, and not just a fraction of it.

I gave Janosky some pertinent questions straight from the Bible to answer question by question (which clearly showed Jesus can't be an angel), he ignored them and was referring to Revelation 22 that never correlated with what we were discussing.

When will these guys see that they've been deceived?

Thanks for the clarification.

Courz:
All these your explanations from the Bible cannot be understood by a JW. JWs have had their brains washed with Bleach. The most basic Biblical understanding is lacking in that Cult because their leaders do not operate with the Holy Spirit which they have admitted to. The Cult was specifically designed to promote Lies and Instill brainwashing techniques on the members. There is also a Spiritual viel covering the eyes of JWs such that when you show them Bible verses, they can't see what you are seeing. It is that serious because their Leaders get their inspiration from Fallen Angels. These verses you posted are very simple to understand when you have the Holy Spirit. But since Watchtower Leaders prefer Human understanding with many Errors they brand as New Light, A JW will completely ignore these verses and stick to the brainwashed points from their Freemason Governing Body.

Fantastic!

Thanks for the heads-up. Now I understand.

Emusan has also raised similar concerns.

Emusan:
He doesn't have that cognitive capability to understand this post of yours.

That is why you always see him making disjointed posts.

Smiling. Now I understand.

Antoeni:
This situation ultimately comes down to common sense. Ukraine was formerly part of the Soviet Union, and the policies of perestroika and glasnost marked the end of communism and the fragmentation of the Soviet Union. This fragmentation led to the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact with other communist countries.

Russia has primarily demanded that NATO respect its alliances with other Slavic nations and refrain from allowing former Soviet states to join NATO. Instead, these countries could participate in the European Union based on economic ties. However, NATO's aggressive actions underestimated Russia’s willingness to attack Ukraine, even when it was clear what the consequences might be.

One must consider whether more lives could have been saved if President Zelensky had approached these issues more logically for the greater good of Ukrainians. He knew that Ukraine was outmatched by Russia in terms of military power but relied heavily on NATO and the United States. This reliance illustrates the danger of entering a conflict with the assumption that your alleged supporters will fully back you. Notably, the funds spent so far in the war have largely come from U.S. taxpayers, with the United States contributing twice as much as the entire European Union combined.

In my view, the primary solution is to stop this needless war. NATO seemed to want to weaken Russia militarily by using Ukraine as a pawn.

A Soviet alliance that saw Russia annexing Crimea in 2014 with more interests in annexing more lands? What's more logical than forming an alliance with NATO to help curb Russia's land grabbing menace?

Janosky:
Empty shallow WAILING WAILER,go and view the Biblehub aggelos screenshot again and again until it sinks into your heart.
Also,angels are "the sons of God" @ Job 1:6 @ Job 2:1.@Job 38:7.
Angels and men are the sons of God @ Psalms 82:1,6.

Revelation 1:1 has already exposed your folly before you typed your first paragraph.
@ John 9:4 Jesus Christ proven that himself and the disciples (@Revelation 1:1) are servants of Yahweh.

Gotham is not interested in the Bible truth.
Abeg go get some sleep & get ready to tickle your ears in your pastorpreneurs business center.

Answer the questions one by one. You're very shameless and lacking in honour. Is Bibkehub superior to the Bible!


I have asked you questions that beg for retrospection an sincere response. Answer them one by one. Revelation 1:1 says Jesus directly gave His message to John through an angel. It never said Jesus didn't feature in the Book of Revelation. Jesus was the One who held the seven stars, walked among the candlesticks, had his hairs like wool and his feet like burning brass. He was the One who said "I come quickly. "

Hey, open your eyes otherwise you'll wait with gnashing of teeth if you fail to repent and embrace the true Jesus.

Janosky:
Please bring the chapter and verse supporting your claim
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Look at these Scriptures:

Jude 1:9

"bYet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee[/b]."

Can you see here that Michael had to CONTEND with Satan, and had no authority to personally rebuke him? He had to say "The Lord rebuke thee Satan ". Michael had no authority to even rebuke Satan himself.

Open your eyes my friend!

See again:

Here's the updated passage:

Daniel 10:13, 20-21

"But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; for I remained there with the kings of Persia... Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince."

Here In verse 20, the angelic messenger says he will return to fight alongside Michael against the prince of Persia. Meaning, he expected to meet Michael still fighting the king of Persia and would therefore support Michael against the prince Persia. Does this look like the Mighty Jesus to you?

Now, see again and compare the power of this angel with that of Michael:

Revelation 20:1-3

"And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

In this passage, an angel descends from heaven, binds Satan with a great chain without any resistance, and in the blink of an eye casts him into the bottomless pit, where he remains for 1,000 years. No fighting, no contention. At this time, the earth already became Satan's domain because he was already evicted from the heavenlies. The earth in trouble. Satan came with all his might, strength and fury, yet an angel caught him like a fowl without the support of any other angel. No single resistance. He just picked him and threw him into prison. Do you think this particular Angel is mightier than Jesus whom you call angel Michael? Think my friend and stop being deceived.

This is what the scriptures say after Satan was defeated and cast out of the heavenly realms:

Revelation 12:12 :

"Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

He was not cast out with broken bones and a dilapidated body. His strength and fury remained with him, yet an angel simply picked him up without any resistance. Just compare Michael with thia Angel, and you'll see clearly that Jesus is not Michael.

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I have been told that you can never understand what I explained up there because you're already brainwashed by the cult you're locked in. Therefore, I would not take your response serious. Make a summary of my post if you think you understand. Prove your accusers wrong.

Janosky:
Nah angel acting on the Orders of Yahweh @ Revelation 1:1 carried out what you read in Revelation 22:1-2.

Who is talking about Revelation 22?

I am telling you that Satan was cast out of heaven. He was not stripped of his might. The Angel that bound him was too powerful for him. He couldn't even resist. That angel looks stronger than Michael who had to battle Satan before subduing him in every occasion of the encounters. This angel.csught him like an ordinary down, and the Lord Jesus who cast away Satan by His mere words is stronger than this angel.

Open your eyes, I pray thee.

Janosky:
You still don't get it.

Satan has been defeated in Revelation chapter 12:7-9.
Therefore,he has no power to resist any punishment carried out by any other angel, that is why Revelation chapter 22:1-2 is in your Bible.

Did you read Revelation 12:12?

According to you,he has been defeated in Revelation 12:7-9 but Revelation 12:12 tells us that "Woe to the inhabitants of the earth..... because he knows his time is short."

Does that look like a weakened person to you? He was cast out of the heavenly realms. His power and strength were never taken from him. He was merely cast out to the earth.

Janosky:
Study Genesis 3:15 & Revelation 12:7-9 to visualize the vivid imagery of Satan's defeat

If you expect any being that was "hurled down (as in "use am stone ground)" to put up resistance against handcuffs, your comprehension skills have failed you.

Hehehe, ignorance is not bliss dear.

Angels are spirit beings with wings. The Fabio is a fallen angel. A spirit. Spirits don't crash on the ground like a stone. Lol.they can't make any physical impact on the solid earth. Chai! I can't imagine that I'm still to be teaching you this.

*"Woe unto the inhabitants of the earth, for the devil is come unto you having great wrath... " That's Revelation 12:12 but you stopped at verse 9 to peddle lies. Does that verse 12 look like someone who became weak after falling to you? These were the words announced immediately after the fall you quoted in Revelation 12:7-9.

Open your eyes dear!

Janosky:
Gotham continue WAILING and deceiving yourself.

The screenshots evidence is enough proof of your folly and IBERIBEISM.
"A messenger generally (supernatural) messenger conveying news or behests from God to men"

MUMU WAILER, which criteria did Jesus not fulfill?
Is Jesus supernatural?
Is Jesus a messenger?
Is Jesus divine messenger?
Did Jesus convey news from God to men?

Your IBERIBEISM is very nauseating.

My dear, where's the screenshot that says Jesus us an angel?

You said angel means messenger/son of God. Was that not what you said? I wad the one who corrected you and told you that angel means messenger, not son. You should at least first recognise your own ignorance and folly.

In your screenshot, tell us how that screenshot makes Jesus an angel.

You're just too illogical. You mean any one who is masculine, supernatural, divine and conveys a message from God is an angel. Wonders shall never end. Is it JW that did your head like this? And then, you even gave Him Angel Michael as His name. How did you come about that too? Or anyone who is masculine, divine, supernatural and conveys a message from God is Angel Michael? Hilarious!

Every Angel is a messenger but every massager is not an Angel. Angels are all divine but, not all who are divine are angels. Angels are masculine but not all who are masculine are angels. Angels are supernatural but not everything supernatural is an angel.

You neglected Scriptures and clung to screenshots that you don't understand.

Hey, talk and answer the below questions directly:


1. Jesus is the Resurrection and the Life. Is an angel your life or God Himself?

2. Jesus is the Bread of Life. The very source of Life itself. Is an angel your source of Life or God Himself?

3. Jesus is the Light of life. Is an angel the Light of life or God Himself. Angels are often referred to as angels of light. But Jesus is referred to as the Light Himself. Think about that.

4. Jesus is the One coming with clouds. The One coming with clouds declared Himself the Almighty. Is that not God or you want to lie against Him because of human doctrines?

5. The One who is coming said He is the First and the Last, and that He is coming quickly. Then, we hear "Even so come, Lord Jesus. The Spirit and the Bride say come ," Who is the First and the Last? Jesus of course. Are your eyes still blind or they're now open? Answer me!

6. Hebrews 1:1-3 explained that Jesus is the Brightness of God's Glory and the Express Image of His Person Care to express how that fits angel Michael?

Revelation 1:1 (KJV)

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto His (Jesus) servants (Jesus' servants) things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified it by His angel (Jesus' Angel) unto His servant John (Jesus' servant):"

Read that verse again and research it.

I want a direct answer to the above, provided question by question. Do not derail into things I never asked you. I'll see it as a deliberate attempt to cover up your shame. JWs have no shame anyway, otherwise you won't come on a public forum bearing the tag of your organization and keep abusing people while discussing the Holy Word of God.

cornelboy:
Wasn't it Michael that defeated Satan and his angels in heaven?

Rev 12:7-10

They faught real battles. This particular angel didn't fight Satan. He just simply grabbed him like a fowl and cast him into prison.

On another one on one encounter with Satan in the book of Daniel, Michael fought really hard.

StillDtruth:
Exactly.

That definitely is the Angel, the, Warden, I think Chief Warden of the prison of the bottomless pit, who of course is super stronger than Satan moving here.

He definitely sounds stronger than Michael.

And yet, even him is no where near Jesus Christ.

Clearly, Jws are Lying

Gbam!

StillDtruth:
Here is another proof why Jws are Lying.

The Bible shows us that Angel Michael struggles a little bit when fighting with Satan and does not easily overcome him.

But when Satan came against Jesus, you can see he only used talk.

And when Jesus was done with him, He drove him away like a parent drives a little child.

And we can all see, Satan left, even without protest or fight.

So, Jws are Lying.

That's even in Christ's manly body o.

Have the JWs seen the scriptures below or they're feigning blindness?

"And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years" (Revelation 20:1-2).


Do JWs think that this angel in this scripture who caught Satan like a fowl is mightier than Jesus? Angel Michael couldn't catch Satan this way.

JWs are liars!

Ohyoudidnt:
https://youtube.com/shorts/T_ihqlYWEhk?si=p0CkdYycYI-mald0

Are you sure the Americans are still the best to deliver Justice?

How can the Americans deliver Justin? Are they God. They can only support the Truth.

You refuse to turn in your assignment, how will you graduate when it's not certain you will make it to the next class.

How does that change the fact that Mohammed was a terrorist and all Muslims support terrorism?

Gabrielshow24:
In the generic usage of the word, Jesus is an "angel" but as an identity "he is not".

But Janosky thinks he's wise and plays dishonestly, refusing to set a boundary and even when I finally got him to settle for "divine messenger"; he's yet to answer whether indeed Jesus as an identity, was a seraph, cherub or other 'ims that might exist in the kingdom which we aren't aware of.

Hence the word angel is actually quite vague.
And even Satan fits right in.

Don't bother with him, he is creating confusion to himself and infact commits fallacy of false equivocation!!!
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Exactly bro.

He has seen the truth but has refused to admit it.

Yes, in a sense, Jesus is an angel, but He is not specifically an angel in His make as you said. He is not angel Michael. Everyone God sends on an errand is an angel in a sense. That doesn't make them specifically angels.

Angel Michael is actually a warrior angel. God sends him to fight only. Never has angel Michael been sent just to go deliver a message. He was never made for that. The angel that usually delivery messages is Gabriel. But JWs are so ignorant. It's actually not a Janosky thing. It's a serious problem emanating from the group he frolics with.

Janosky:
Empty rants upandan because you know nothing!
What is the meaning of aggelos in your Bible?
John 10:34-36, Did Jesus Christ teach you himself is the son of God?
@ Revelation 1:1 & John 7:16, whose message did Jesus deliver to John?
Please allow your brain to function nau.

Where are the rants? Or is that a new word you just learnt?

I have already defined angels to you to mean messengers. Repeating what I have said to me again makes you very childish. You are yet to prove how someone would become an angel just because He was sent of God on a mission. There are many humans whom God has sent on assignments, are they angels too? This your logic is very faulty.

God sends His Word on assignments, therefore God's Word is an angel according to Jabisky Lol.

Everything we claim about Jesus are the things the Bible directly said about Him. The Bible said He is the Song of God. He is the Wird of God, and that this Word of God is God. Where did the Bible say that Jesus is an angel? You're the one who should get sense and infact, you must get it by force.

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b]God sent his apostle,angel /messenger, prophet, Jesus Christ to do it.[/b]

We believe in all that, except that Jesus was never called an angel in the Bible. You should address the scriptures I gave you directly and do not start quoting other scriptures that you don't understand.

JESUS IS THE ONE COMING WITH CLOUDS. Yes or No? The One coming with clouds called Himself the Almighty. Yes or No? Simple!

You'll see while and call it black just because of doctrines stemming from a cult.

Confused Trinitarian, angels are sons of God meaning they are also children of God.

We all are children of God but before we became children of God,JESUS WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. No angel is a begotten son of God. Own your ears wide and listen.

Imperfect sinful Gotham with spiritual gen , this is the height of your self deceit.

Ignorant Jabisky, I am what the Scriptures say I am.

Galatians 3:27

"For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ."

1 John 3:9!

"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for HIS SEED remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

2 Peter 1:4!

"Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might BE PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."

Should I give you more scriptures? Only God knows what they teach you in that cult of yours. You guys are too ignorant. You do not even know about the transformative work of the Holy Spirit in the life of a believer.

Did you see ghost in your Matthew1:18 screenshot?
Ghost has no place in the Bible not in your own screenshot evidence.

Oga receive sense..

I have told you the words are used interchangeably. Didn't you go to school?

Who told you that a ghost is a demon? Lol. Are you an illiterate so that I can actually come to your level during discussions.

'Ghost' was simply a spirit in old English but as English evolved, it has taken on some other meanings. So, contemporary English Bibles don't have the word Holy Ghost

Janosky:
Oga, I must not spoon-feed you, pls go and study your Bible.

It's not a matter of spoon-feeding. It's a matter of puncturing your lies or your deliberate lack of knowledge. The world Angel means messenger but it does not mean messenger/son. Angels are called sons of God.jesus is not just a Son of God but the only Begotten Son of God. Check your Bible. Not your fake JW Bible. Wherever Jesus is mentioned as Son of man or Son of God, it's always in capital S. Jesus is the only Begotten Son of God. Not just a son.

Now, tell us where Jesus ever called Himself an Angel or a messenger. He cal

Oga,your Trinitarian mentors say Jesus is second of their triune deities & you moved him to Almighty.
Jesus told you Revelation chapter 1 was given to Jesus, yet you no believe your Bible..

You don't get it. He is everything. He is God. He is also Jesus. He's also the Almighty. God is able to make Himself anything to fulfil whatever purpose He has ini mind. Only God can save man from his sins. No angel can do it. Hence, God had to do it by Himself.

Let me also ask you this:

Who is the Resurrection and the Life? The very source of Life and the giver thereof. An angel? No! That can only be God. But this is what Jesus claimed to be.

Who is the Bread of Life? An angel? No! God forbid! The Bread of Life can only be God.

Who is the Creator? God of course. Both the Adamic creation and the New Creation were created by Him. We are a new creation in Christ Jesus. Bought by His precious blood. We are the generation of Christ. The spiritual gen is in our spiritual bodies. We do not have the gens of angels otherwise we cannot be the children of God.

Ghost nah demon. Ghost is NOT holy.

Ghost is not in any Greek manuscript.[/b]

If you have problems with the Holy Ghost, do you have with the Holy Spirit too? Both terms are used interchangeably for the same Person. The word 'pneumatos' is translated Spirit and Ghost. See Mathew 1:18 in Greek attached below, where we were told that Mary was found with child of the Holy Spirit.

Janosky:
Oga, is John 3:16 & John 5:37,43 & Psalms 103:20 in your Bible?
This is the reason I said you don't know your Bible but pride won't let you calm down and learn something worthwhile.
Psalms 103:20, did you learn that Yahweh sends angels to perform Yahweh's command?
Yes?
John 5:37,43, did Yahweh come to the earth?
No.
Did Jesus come in the name of Yahweh?
Revelation 1:7-8, Yahweh's son obeys his Father Yahweh by coming in the name of Yahweh.
Oga, learn something.



If you put your brain to function, you would understand that Jesus spoke the message (revelation) that God his Father gave Jesus.

Jesus is a servant/angel delivering God's message (@Psalm103:20 & Revelation 1:1- to other servants.

Oga, open your eyes & see the hierarchy in Revelation 1:1-8 & Psalms 103:20.
God the Father OWNS the message, Jesus is his servant, working with other servants.
John 9:4 read it until you understand.

It's a simple question. I've already shown you on this thread that God and Jesus are One.

Who is coming? We have read that the One who is to come, that same One who WAS is the Almighty. Can you dispute that?

Nowj, stop answering questions you were never asked. Who is the One to come ? Who is the One who WAS? God the Father is not the One to come. He is not the One who WAS. If you disagree, give your reasons. It's just as simple as that. Bad mouth cannot suppress the Truth.

If God the Father is the One talking and He is the One who claims that He WAS and He's coming with clouds, then you already have your truth. God the Father is the same as Jesus because we know that Jesus is the One coming with clouds. Dispute this if you can.

Whether you claim that God the Father was the One speaking or that Jesus was the One speaking, you cannot prove that God the Father is not the same as the Son because God the Father is not coming with clouds. Jesus is the One to come with clouds and He's the Almighty. He's the One who was.

Answer the question directly. Stop going to take scriptures that you don't even understand. No one interprets Scriptures by saying angels are mess anders, and because Jesus said He was sent, then, He is an angel. Hilarious. Did Jesus ever call Himself a messenger?

Janosky:

Oga,pity your delusion.

Angel meaning
"Messenger/son of God" in your Bible.

Is John 3:16 in your Bible?


Abeg you stop deceiving yourself.
You no know anything!

Bring your dictionary that says Angel means messenger/son of God

If angels means messenger/son of God, does that mean God cannot have other messages or son apart from angels?

Jesus Christ declared Himself the One to come and the Almighty. Keep deluding yourself. He is the brightness of God's glory and the express image of this person. It seems there's a veil cast on your eyes. Only the Holy Ghost can remove it.

Atheists are the most foolish beings in the whole world!

Janosky:
Read the screenshot evidence and see how your Trinity worshipping devotees twisted the holy scriptures of Revelation 1:1

Correct rendition:
"The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him....."
You deceptively failed to highlight this portion.

God Yahweh owns the Revelation given to Jesus his Son.


LYING miscreants deceiving gullible folks.

Even in your screenshot, it is called
THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST.

Your screenshot didn't show anything different from what I've been quoting dear.

Your deception is very clear. You deliberately left all the scriptures pointed out to post something else.

How does that change the fact that Jesus is the One who WAS and is to come?

Janosky:


Read Revelation 1:1 until it sinks into your brain.

If you give Janosky letter addressed to your employees.
When janosky reads Paragraph 8 to your employees:
" He is coming, says ....'the LORD God, the Almighty."

Will your employees agree that janosky is the LORD God Almighty?
Revelation 1:5-8 refers to the God Almighty who gave Jesus the message of Revelation.

Please,Abeg dey use your brain nau.

So, according to you, God the Father is the One coming? He is the One coming with clouds? Is this the nonsense in your brain you're asking me to allow sink into mine? God the Father is the coming who is coming? Even when the book of Revelation ends with the words "...even so come, Lord Jesus."

So, God the Father was the One who WAS? Tell me exactly at what time God the Father ceased to exist for Him to have become the One who WAS. I pity your soul.

I pity you most because in spite of your nasty errors, you still have a very bad mouth. You obviously don't know God

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John",

Can you see the fault in your analogy? God gave Jesus the Revelation, Jesus sent an angel to deliver it to John.

Take a closer look dear. Take away your JW biases and look at this scripture with pure eyes:
Here is the passage:

Revelation 1:7-8
7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be! Amen.

Then, the One who is coming spoke:

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

God the Father is. God the Father never was. It was Jesus who WAS when He died on Calvary. He even said "a little while you shall see me no more."

Jesus is the One coming with clouds. He was the One who ascended with the clouds and will return in like manner according to Acts 1.

Janosky:
You are not my enemy, Agreed!
But you don't want to listen to the holy scriptures.

Whatever you read in Revelation chapter 1 was given to Jesus Christ.

Jesus is NOT the Author of the messages revealed.
Read Matthew 12:15-20 where Jesus copied Isaiah's prophecy.


Let this fact sink into your heart & get you freed from Trinity delusion.

I pity you dear.

Jesus directly said that He is coming soon and that He's the Almighty. You ignore that?

And no, Jesus was the one who give John the messages of Revelation direction. He even appeared among burning candlesticks, and John described His appearance.

I pity you o. God gave Himself to us but you're saying God gave us angels when the scriptures never said so. If Jesus was an angel, it will be very clear from scriptures. Jesus is the express image of the Father according to Hebrews 1:3. Go and think about that

So, an angel is your begging and the ending. And angel is the one who is, who was and who is to come, the Almighty?

Or you're saying God is the One who is, who was and who is to come? Tell us how this fits into the description of God

sonmvayina:
See my explanation up there...maybe you will learn a thing or two. Marduk is same as the Jewish God. He is the same creator of the universe. Just with a different name

Which tribe called God Marduk?

If he's the universe, he's not God.

Janosky, take a look at these direct words of Jesus. May God open your eyes!

Revelation 22:12-13

“Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. [b]I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

Revelation 1:7-8
“Look, He is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see Him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be! Amen. “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, THE ALMIGHTY .”

Can you see? Jesus calls Himself The Almighty. It will shock you on that day!


Compare the passages above with these below where God Himself was speaking.

Isaiah 40:10
See, the Sovereign Lord comes with power, and he rules with a mighty arm. See, his reward is with him, and his recompense accompanies him.

Jabisky, His recompense accompany Him as He comes with the clouds as the Son of man.

Isaiah 44:6
This is what the Lord says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, [b]the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

Compare the above to the Words of Jesus in the verses of Revelation I shared prior.

May your eyes be opened in Jesus name. Your deceivers shall be mightily judged and brought to justice.

Isaiah 41:4
Who has done this and carried it through, calling forth the generations from the beginning? [b]I, the Lord—with the first of them and with the last—I am He.

Just relax yourself, take a deep breath and read without bias and without loyalty to any organization. Read for truth and not for criticism. No one is fighting you. We're just enlightening one another in the scriptures. I'm not your enemy.