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MaxInDHouse:
Please quote a verse in the Bible where this is written.
Thanks!

Please quote the full text where you carved this from.

MaxInDHouse:
You haven't shown me a verse that says "Jesus is not an angel"

Emusan and Courz already told me that you're always blind to scriptures. The scriptures above told you that Jesus is God. You're the one that should show me a verse that says Jesus is an angel. All the verses I showed you proved beyond reasonable doubt that Jesus is not an angel.

"But to the Son, he said "Your throne oh God... "

MaxInDHouse:
Quote the verse that denies Jesus being an angel!

Here are some scriptures that distinguish Jesus from angels:

1. Hebrews 1:4-5 "So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs. For to which of the angels did God ever say, 'You are my Son; today I have become your Father'?"

Note: God has never said to any angel "You are my son, today I have become your Father." He said it only to the Son who is also called God in verses 8 and 9.

Also note the question "To which of the angels...?" If Jesus was an angel, the question would have been "To which of the other angels ..."

Can you see it? Or you want StillDtruth to come and force the truth into your JW head?

2. Hebrews 1:8-9: "But about the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever...'"

Note: The Son is explicitly called God.

Let me show you one more scriptures. There are so many including Revelation 1:17-18 where Jesus said to John "I am the First and the Last. The one who lived and was dead and is alive forever more..." Your co-traveller on the path of destruction (may God show you mercy), Janosky ignored this verses in the other thread and was barking Revelation 1:1. That JW cult miscreant needs some spiritual eye surgery.

My dear, hear what Paul said below:

Galatians 1:8, Paul says:

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!"

Notice that Paul didn't say "If we or another angel..." if Jesus was an angel, Paul would say "If we or another angel..." By simply saying "If we or an angel..." Paul is saying there has never been an angel to bring the gospel, if any angel brings another gospel in future, let him be cursed. You see, he said "another gospel" because there had been a gospel. He didn't say "another angel" because there had been no angel.

Janosky:
Pls shove your question into your toilet.

Revelation 1:1 is in your Bible but not in your heart.

I pity you. What does your own Revelation 1:1 say that makes all other parts of Revelation irrelevant to you?

Ohyoudidnt:
FORGIVE THEM FATHER FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO AND SAY

My prayer for you of course. Sadly, your Quran doesn't have such prayers. Only beheading for those who rejected Mohammed.

1. Talking about the Messiah is talking about Islam? Did you go to school at all?

2. Opening another mention is the same as opening a thread? How old are you?

Janosky:
Revelation 1:1
"This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass".

@ Matthew 12:15-18, Jesus said himself is a servant of whom?

LYING miscreant ,if you get liver Edit Revelation 1:1 in your Bible nau.

Empty JW cult miscreant, son of the devil, Revelation 1:1 didn't say anything I have not said. It was John's own written introduction to the Book of Revelation. What's special about Revelation 1:1? Is that the only scripture they put in your head? Your eyes are blind to other scriptures because of Revelation 1:1 that you don't even understand! God gave Jesus a Revelation. Normal, the Father is the source of all Revelations. Jesus is the One who administers it to His Church. He can send mean or angels to deliver His word. What's special about Revelation 1:1 exactly that this JW cult miscreant is always crying about!

Revelation 1:17-18

"When I saw him, I fell at His (Jesus) feet as though dead. Then He (Jesus) placed His right hand on me and said: 'Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead (crucified), and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.'[/b"

That is Jesus in a visual and tangible interaction with John. He is the First and the Last. Kee kissing your smelly deceits.

[b]Acts 2:33-36, Peter said God made Jesus Lord and Christ..

The God his Father made Jesus & sent Jesus His messenger angel, envoy.

Kiss the truth.

Where's your truth after making Jesus an angel. Yest it's good that you agreed that the Father made His Son Lord and Christ. That's the Bible truth. But who is this Lord and Christ? Is it angel Michael? That'd the devil's lie! Here's the Lord we're talking about:

1 Corinthians 8:6 (NIV)

"...for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but [b]one Lord, Jesus Christ, THROUGH WHOM ALL THINGS CAME (Including Michael) and through whom we live."

Empty headed JW miscreant, do you see any difference between God the only God and Jesus the only one Lord in the above scripture? Blind Freemason, do you see that all things including Michael came into existence through the only one Lord Jesus Christ?

Janosky:

LYING miscreant, is John 5:19 & John 12:49 written in your own Bible?
You don't understand anything,so Stop deceiving yourself.
Every angel speaks the message Yahweh gives them.
Jesus Christ is no exception.
Jesus Christ confirmed he speaks Yahweh's messages, John 14:24, John 12:49. John 7:16..

Everyone including prophets speak the message God gives them. Okay? JW cult miscreant. Son of the devil, Jesus clearly introduced Himself in the Book of Revelation and spoke directly to John as early as Revelation 1:17-18. The letters were directly Jesus' own words to the churches.

In Acts 10:36, Peter said Jesus is the Lord of all.

"The message he declared was good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all."

LYING miscreant, did Jesus say "it is written" in your own Bible?

You are rejecting John 12:49 & John 5:19,30.

Archangel Michael copied Zechariah 3:1-2 "Yahweh (LORD) rebuke you" @ Jude 1:9.
Gotham, Stop deceiving yourself.

John 12:49 and John 5:19-30 never said Jesus is the only one who speaks from the Father. Every child of God with a message speaks the same way. Revelation 1:17-18 is Jesus introducing Himself to John and calling Himself the First and the Last.

Empty JW cult miscreant, hater of truth, son of the devil, you shall by yourself spread your own folly.

Ohyoudidnt:
1. You don't seize to expose your ignorance.
Where did Prophet Muhammad pbuh say he was bringing something new regarding the supreme nature of one God and his interaction with his creation?

Then as long as he didn't bring anything new, he left the world the way he met it. Then, what makes him any important in the scheme of things?

That people behave in inappropriate manner does not translate to religion prescribing and encouraging it.

The difference is that all those who did evil in the name of Islam got heir inspirations from the Quran.

Reality is the skewed way the world operates with a person with believed association with Islam is called a religious terrorist yet if of another faith a different classification is given fron the large expanse of language.

That skewed operational way resides in the heads of Muslims. When someone shouts Allah Akbar before committing mass murder, he's an Islamic terrorist. If he did't do it for Islam, then he's a criminal. Presently as we speak, somewhere in the world, someone is being beheaded for Islam as you read these texts right now. That's how murderous and satanically infused that your religion is. If anybody comes out to murder anyone shouting the name of Jesus or yelling Hallelujah, he's a Christian terrorist of course. But you just need to point me to one.

2. Correctly said the prophet Muhammad pbuh lived around 1400+ years ago but please ascertain the community of paper for documentation in the area where he was. Why were writings on leaves, animal skin, tree barks etc.

My dear, scrolls were all over the known works in the days of mohammed. He himself had access to many scrolls. The absence of writing material itself does not support your claim. You're not even getting it. The builders of the pyramids could in write, and those who came after them who could write had no information. If they had information, they'll write what the builders didn't write. Since the said founders of the ka'aba didn't write about the monotheistic nature of its establishment, those who came after and could write would write about it if it is truly monotheistic as you claimed. There are Arabic books pre-mohammed. Stop lying. There were the Safaitic inscriptions, Nabataean inscriptions, Pre-Islamic poetries.

3. Are you absolutely sure the builders of
the pyramids couldn't write yet they built such enormous structures that modern and present day builders marvel on how it was achieved?

When I said "they couldn't write" that does not mean they have no ability to write. 'They couldn't write' can have several reasons attached to it.

Please what documented interaction with a former builder of any of these pyramids? Don't just try to make points without considering them[/quote,]
I have never referred to any such documentation.

[quote]4. Abraham's journey as recorded in the Bible perhaps but how come the interaction with Hagar? He left his father's land where and migrated to ? Where did he transverse? Is your Bible an absolute record of all historical travels?

Hagar was most likely bought as a slave from slave traders. Abraham didn't go to Arabia to pick her. Slave traders in those days do move around. Moreso, Hagar was an Egyptian not an Arabian. And we all know Abraham did visit Egypt. Abraham never married Hagar. He impregnated her at the instance of Sarah when she couldn't give Abraham a child.

5. You shamelessly make a useless and vulgar claim about Aisha peace be upon her. You really think the Arabs will have supported so young a marriage even at that time?

Are you books lying? It seems you don't even know your religion. I'm telling you what you books have written about Mohammed and Aisha. If there's anything vulgar about the claims, you should allege your books instead.

6 indeed. Your brother Mightysparrow shares stuff he gets from one apologists on YouTube and definitely he's not the only one.
I have seen some and find some reasoning far below expectation. Faulty premise and conclusion. Very poor jokes if anything at all.

Don't you have time to criticize Islam despite shallow knowledge?

Do you know what is said to be cost benefit analysis? Where sometimes you allow something to solve a problem weighing in on a weaker consequence effect.

Sometimes, when I see ignorant Muslims talking like this to defend that false religion, I shake my head in pity. Obviously, you cannot be a Muslim if you're not spiritually blinded. These things are plainly written in your own books. Rather than address the matters headlining, you always prefer to spin the stories to give them a new colouration. Even your wisest interpolations always come off as illogical and lacking in sensibility. Yet you must dance with it as long as it proves your loyalty to your false prophet. That you do as the expense of your own soul.

Why must you open another thread? Is it too much or complicated to mention concisely here?

See who claims no one in Christendom has time yet you are jumping all over opening threads.

Hey, can you show me where I said I'll own a new thread? It is this apparent lack of understanding in you Muslims that's affecting you in seeing the deception in your Quran. Go back to what I said again. People who cram a book without understanding what they're crammng are only brainwashed. There cannot be any sound knowledge that breeds sound judgement in such an oppressive practice.

When exactly did I say Christians don't have time? These are the types of twisting and false narratives you Muslims are known for.

Ohyoudidnt:
Seriously! You are ignorant of the strict monotheism, submission to the will of Allah and acceptance? Worship, moral conduct for self and community, eternity and consequences? The great mercy of Allah.

My dear, these are mere rituals with no guarantees for the lost soul of man. There are at least 5 monotheistic religions in the world. Mohammed didn't bring anything new. All religions submit to the will of their gods. Most religions uphold moral conduct much better than Islam which kills unbelievers and legalize bloodshed. The case of Deborah in Kano is still fresh.

It is sad that the human race has advanced in such a manner to have the wrong views about documentation. There have been non paper type documentation that served remarkably well in the past. Do you not wonder why they haven't found documents on how the Egyptian pyramids were designed and built? There indeed are many other pyramids in Sudan and environs. The lack of a documented design and construction plan does not remove the reality of the existing pyramids which are amongst the wonders of the world.

Will you say because there's no seen plan seen used to build the ancient pyramids they weren't built? Do you also believe Africans had no formal records as they depend on the west and neglect that the first documented libraries are in Africa, Timbuktu Mali?

You don't need all these useless talk. Mohammed surfaced in the world barely 1,400 years ago when that world was already populated with books. Are you telling me that there were no books in Arabia in Mohammad s day? The Pyramid narratives don't fit. Should I tell you why? The builders can't write and those who could write after them had no information. But in this case, we have books telling us of the polytheistic nature of the ka'aba but not telling us of its monotheism. The whole thing about the ka'aba is a lie. Abraham never visited that site let alone establishing it for crying out loud. You cannot find any document in the history of Arabia giving any credence to this tale. Abraham only visited the site in the Quran but not in reality. The journey of Abraham never went beyond the Negev Desert, Mesopotamia, Canaan and Lebanon, and had a little stop over at Egypt. Abraham never journeyed with Ismael who was separated from his father at the age of 14. That was the last time Abraham ever set his eyes on Ismael. This is the plain truth. The Arabians know this for the truth and never disputed this fact until Mohammed came to spin a new history.

The ka'aba was established by the Arabs. All the 360 gods they worshipped were found there. It has never had any monotheistic existence since its inception. You cannot dispute this fact without lying or talking in abstraction.

Perhaps you can tell the idol a particular tribe worshipped that was spared. How the idol looks and is worshiped then explain how the other tribes were convinced or compelled to abandon their own idols.

Mohammed conquered Mecca and simply destroyed all other gods to retain Allah - his tribal god.

You should look into how and why the girl baby was killied in jahiliyah Arabia first. That a concept is told doesn't necessarily confirm it and indeed you know too little about such conduct though may be aware of some in present day. Even worse the forceful copulation of toddlers barely even 2 years.

Was Aisha not a toddler at 4 when Mohammed started fingering her?

Go on your own independent study not what you are guided to believe. You will find the truth not the falsehood you are guided to wrongly believe.

You're the ones who actually guide your children to believe one thing or the other about Christianity. No one has time to be talking about Islam in Christendom. It's inconsequential in the scheme of things. Everything I know of Islam today is mostly by my own personal findings, and that added to the little I knew before my family became Christian.

The issue of Camel's urine was a singular case in respect of one tribe and has a full story. Research and read it up.

If you understand what is ablution and appropriately know what polluted water is and how health is promoted in various guidance in Islam.

It does not erase the fact that Mohammed affirmed the use of a particular stinking water full of sewage.

I will appreciate you restating these questions in a concise and precise manner so they can be attended to unless you have jumped them up in this last post of yours.

Did prophet Muhammad make himself a Messiah or try to? Tell me who the Messiah is and stop shying away unless you cannot do justice to explain?

Maybe I'll open a different mention for a discourse about the Messaiah. It seems you missed everything I said previously about the topic.

Ohyoudidnt:
A closed mind can not see otherwise. There are literal meanings and symbolic when the same words are used metaphorically.

Do you claim these metaphors are not abound in rhe Quran?

Was he speaking metaphor when he announced Allah's warning that his aorta would be cut off if he was a receiver? Lol. The announcement was a warning but the fulfillment a metaphor according to Mr. critical thinker. Open your mind and think now. If someone is deceiving you, must you deceive yourself?

The context is what you refuse to see.
Did prophet Muhammad pbuh complete the deliverance of the message?

Which message exactly? What message has Islam?

Did he return the Kaaba to it's original state where Allah alone is worshipped? Yes.

Can you produce any documents before mohammed that claim Allah was the only one worshipped in the kabba before it turned polytheistic? For your information, the kabba has always housed many gods including Allah. It had no original state other than the state in which Mohammed met it.

Were all idols in it removed and all idolatry in the Kaaba stopped? Yes

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All other idols were removed to promote only one idol - the idol of Mohammed's clan.

Did he achieve the social change from ignorant practice in Arabia from killing the female baby? Yes.

Stop killing the female baby but marry them at 6, finger them till they clock 9, and marry them on their 9th birthday Hahaha.

How about the many people that murderer killed? Including the woman he tied to beasts to be torn apart alive. Very wicked soul!

Did he stir towards the upholding of best morals amongst mankind in servitude to Allah? Yes.

Which best morals exactly? Caravan robbery or pedophilia? These are all the hallmarks of Mohammed including bloodletting. Or are we to talk about drinking camel's urine for healing, or to use stinking waters for ablution? Best morals indeed. A man must be demented to see all these as best morals.

What do you mean by Eternity is noti religion? Is there a typographic mistake? If there is or Isn't what are you trying to say?

I'm telling you that religion does not procure salvation.

Eternal dominion and messiah or what? Will the Israelites not start having a feel of this fron here? Will there be tribes in paradise?

Face the questions I asked you dear. No k e is asking about the eternal dominion of the Messiah whom you don't know and whose message you have referred in preference for that of an imposter.

Tell me what messiah means and how different it is from Mashiah in Hebrew please ?

Have you been skipping the all the posts I made in response to you so far? There I explained what the term Messaiah means, how it has a different meaning in Islam and how the messaiah is the most superior prophet the Jews are still expecting today. I explained that the Messiah is God's Salvation among men. He is the centre of the whole of man's interactions with God. There's no prophet who can ever get greater than the Messaiah. If Mohammed knows who the Messiah is, he would have made himself the Messaiah instead of acknowledging Jesus. His ignorance is good for your soul if you indeed love the truth.

Ohyoudidnt:
I mistook the fact your reasoning ia barely even elementary.

What idiom is referred to? You have already lost track?


You need elementary tutelage I see.

The phrase"انقطاع أبهرى(aortic rupture) refers to a serious medical condition where the aorta, the body's main artery, tears. However, in a non-literal or metaphorical context, it evokes a striking and dramatic separation—one that is sudden, overwhelming, and deeply impactful.

The word انقطاع"** (discontinuation, rupture, or severance) implies a break, a sudden end, or a forceful detachment.
The word "أبهرى", aortic, related to the aorta metaphorically suggests something vital, life-sustaining, or deeply rooted.

Together, انقطاع أبهرى, ainqitae 'abhraa describes profound emotional rupture—perhaps the loss of something essential, like love, beauty, or passion, in a way that is both breathtaking and tragic. It reflects beauty intertwined with loss, as if something magnificent was abruptly taken away, leaving a visceral absence, much like the sudden and devastating impact of an aortic rupture in a literal sense.

This phrase could be poetic, capturing moments of heartbreak, the conclusion of a life-altering experience, or even an artistic representation of the delicate balance between beauty and suffering.

Please use a dictionary which you should know how to use if certain words are not clear .

In the wisdom of Allah a prophet was sent to the Arabians who spoke with them in the language of Arabic which they understood. This was to effectively communicate the guidance from Allah. This as mentioned is to prevent them from complaining that no one came to them as stated in the Quran. Do the Ethiopians majorly speak Arabic?

No, the most widely spoken languages in Ethiopia are Amharic (the official working language), Oromo, Tigrinya, Somali, among others.

How then can Islam be an Arabian religion when the king of Ethiopia agreed with the truths of the message?


Is messiah same as Moshia in Hebrew language?

The anticipated eternal dominion of the Messiah in relation to Jesus as is commonly interpreted remains unfulfilled because pervasive injustice and human suffering stand in stark opposition to the envisioned reign of peace and righteousness..

My dear go and sit down!

Who's asking you to explain what the aorta cutting phrase means? We're telling you his aorta was cut off as predicted to confirm that he was a false prophet. Are you this empty?

He was the one who wore that his God said if he were a liar, his god would cut off his aorta. Then, before he died, he complained that felt his aorta being cut off. More or less like a confession: "I have been deceptive and now I can feel my aorta being cut off ." You're making a long useless post just to cover up and defend nonsense. You better sit up. Eternity is noti religion.

You will do well to go read my posts about the Messaiah again. No one is here to discuss His eternal dominion with you. These are things higher than you. What I'm telling you is that Mohammed cannot be more important than the Messaiah. If only you know what the Messaiah means.

Highly commendable.

Ohyoudidnt:
Anger? Referring to yourself?

Sadly if you cannot develop beyond your preferences for fairy tales and keep tied to the elementary fantasy of Disney comics, you just won't get it.

You as a non Arab with terrible bias cannot appreciate the very rich language and it's metaphorical statements. The influence of culture and context used in differentiating figurative from literal meaning.

You are incapable of independent thought and critical thinking to appreciate the emotional and contextual use of this Arabic idiom and probably a lot more.

I hope you grow up mentally and psychologically soon.

Lol. Just tell us that Islam is an Arabian culture that was dispersed into the world. It's not a real deal. What's really rich about the culture of praying useless prayers for the dead? Hey, if you think it holds any good meaning for your life, you would have said it boastfully. But of course, you can't. You only want to abuse me and make blanket statements that make no sensible import. I chalk you to highlight any particular benefit of the so called richness of the culture of praying for dead people. It is only rich in your head. If you want to keep wasting your energy in pbuh, keep up but let me give you a gust - that action has neither profit nor loss.

Hey, Mr critical thinker, I see you ignored the iorta points and focused on what makes you happy. Mohammed was a false prophet. Confirmed. His iorta was cut off to establish this truth.

Ignored the Messaiah talks again? I will tell you the truth for the umpteenth time that the Messaiah is the fulcrum around which everything rotates. All the prophets pointed towards the Messiah. If Mohammed acknowledged Jesus as the Messiah, then, he can never be greater than the Messaiah. The Messaiah is the Salvation of God among men; the coming judge and the head of God's anticipated eternal Kingdom. The Jews are still earnestly looking for Jim today. They missed Jesus as the Scriptures foretold. If Mohammed knew what the Messaiah truly meant, he would never have acknowledged Jesus as the Messaiah because he was only out to deceive and to create a religion around himself. But God has allowed him to be this ignorant so that those who love the truth would eventually see the truth.

Ohyoudidnt:
How easy it is for you to show your shallow learning - - assignment pending.

Who says Abraham pbuh is not already blessed? If you understand the supplication for blessings on Muhammad pbuh you will see this but sadly the ignorant slanderin g of your apologetic evangel Christians blinds you. See a debt of misleading.

In Christendom prayer for the dead is useless but I wonder if this is entirely correct. Why the funeral prayers and wake keeps? Tell me these are strictly for the living. How come you just don't bury the dead?

You can not comprehend how praying for the Prophet is a means to praying for yourself.

Let's give you a free lesson if you can learn anything outside your apologetic ignorant mumbo jumbo.

انقطاع أبهرى ; ainqitae 'abhraa, aortic dissection or cutting aorta is an Arabic idiom that translates to mean remarkable interruption.
It is often used to describe an unexpected break in routine or normalcy. It conveys a sense of impressiveness and astonishment, applicable in various contexts like storytelling or social discussions. This idiom showcases the rich tradition of storytelling and eloquence in the Arab world, emphasizing the significant impact that unexpected events can have on our lives.

In the hadith the phrase transcends a simple medical diagnosis. This phrase captures the emotional and spiritual turmoil surrounding the Prophet's approaching death. The deep sorrow he feels reflects the burden of a mission accomplished in the face of societal challenges.

Sadly the jealousy and hatred of many twists the truth in usual fashion to say he was poisoned. Please tell me which poison takes that many years to kill from a slight if any administration? Show some learning John. This is not BATMAN entertainment but reality.

Look, you're just ranting for nothing. Rants don't make lies into truth. We were once Muslims. But today, we give God all the glory. We left that darkness. That pitch darkness.

Pray for yourself dear. Pbuh is useless for the dead, okay? Exercise your spiritual energy in something meaningful if you have any.

Christians don't pray for the dead during funerals. We only celebrate their lives. We don't pray for them. Wake keep is just for honoring the life they lived.

You're twisting your own Quran because you don't want to face the truth. What's there to envy about Mohammed? Is it his murderous lifestyle or his lying personality? Or his caravan robbery business? Lol.

He himself wrote that Allah said he'll cut off his iorta if he was found to be deceitful. Years later as he was dying, he cried that he could feel like his iorta was being cut off. False prophet confirmed.

You still ignored what I said to you about the Messaiah? You think I hate you by telling you the truth? Any demon that makes you angry when you're being fed with the truth is actually aiming for your destruction.

Put your anger aside and open your eyes. The eternal destination of your soul will depend on it. Mohammed has done his own and passed. Sadly, he was not saved. Now, it's your turn, use it wisely.

Ohyoudidnt:
Fortunately the part that interests you most is what you respond to and it shows your envy of one who the almighty, angels and mankind send blessings on.

Why do you ignore Abraham on who blessings are also sent?

Well it's typical and within your personal rights.

I'm giving you a fundamental truth. Abraham is already blessed. There's no amount of blessing you send him that would increase his blessings. Prayers for the dead is useless They're actually the ones who can intercede for you.
Mohammed on the other hand is not blessed. He even had his iorta cut as proof that he was a false prophet. No amount of blessing you send to.him can change his fate. You guys are just ignorant of spiritual realities. None of the prophets who came before Mohammad was ignorant of this reality. Till today, the Jews show their love for their deceased loved ones by saying "May his memory be blessed." That is it. Only the remembrance of the person can be a blessed recall. The dead person himself or his fate is not influenced by prayers, blessings or curses. A lot of ignorance reels in that religion.

Did you ignore what I said about the Messaiah? You better sit up and find eternal peace for your soul.

Janosky:

Gotham,Would Jesus perform anything & speak anything without Yahweh's command ?
No nau.

Open your eyes to Psalms 103:20, John 12:49 & Revelation 1:1.
Yahweh MUST give the Command.
John 12:49,Then,Jesus His angel MUST Obey or other angels MUST Obey with Jesus support.
Psalms 103:20 & Revelation 1:1, Yahweh talk am.
John 12:49, Jesus Christ must do am.....

No matter who gives the command, that dies not make Jesus Michael. We understand the relationship between the Father and the Son quite well but you don't.

Jesus never says, I say unto you in the name of Yahweh. Does He? He gives the rebukes and commands as coming directly from Himself. Michael can never dare do that. He had to rebuke Satan in the name of the Lord Jesus. There's only one Lord according to the scriptures. And Jesus is the only one Lord in all the universe.

Janosky:
Who is the "Lord" @ Jude 1:9?
Let's start....

Let the Bible answer you directly. You can now argue with the scriptures if you like.

Here are some powerful Bible verses that declare Jesus as Lord:

1. Romans 10:9 says, "Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved" ¹ ².

2. Revelation 19:16 describes Jesus as "King of kings and Lord of lords" ¹ ².
3. Matthew 28:18-20, Jesus himself declares, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me" ¹.

1 Corinthians 8:6 states, "Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live"

Shhhh, there are no two Lords. Only one Lord - the Lord Jesus, through whom ALL THINGS CAME INTO EXISTENCE including Michael.

4. 1 Peter 3:15 encourages believers to "honor Christ the Lord as holy"

Revelation 1:17-18[b]

.Revelation 1:17-18 says:

"And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; [b]I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

[quote author=Janosky post=134375297]Who is the "Lord" @ Jude 1:9?
Jesus is Lord, not Michael.

"Please note that "CONTEND & dispute" @ Jude 1:9 were verbal exchanges which led to the statement of 'rebuke' from archangel Michael.

I'm not even talking about the contention here. I'm talking about the fact that Michael couldn't directly rebuke Satan. Even I, a child of God directly rebuke Satan. I say, "I rebuke you Satan in the name of Jesus," and he bows. I can narrate uncountable experiences. The thing is that those of you who reduce the Lord Jesus to a mere angel can never experience His power in your lives. You don't even know what you're missing.

The point you are missing is this:
@ Matthew 4:10 Jesus performed Yahweh's word and obeyed Yahweh's voice to REBUKE the devil.
" You MUST worship Yahweh your God, only Him you MUST serve."(Jesus copied Deuteronomy 6: 13).

Dis He say "Yahweh rebuke you." He rebuked him directly and even said "Get thee behind me!". That's superiority and authority! That's my Jesus!

@ Zechariah 3:1-2, "Yahweh rebuke you" was copied in Jude 1:9.

In both Matthew chapter 4 & Jude 1:9/Zechariah 3:1-2, it is the command of Yahweh that REBUKE the devil.
Likewise,Revelation chapter 20:1-2, the command came from God Yahweh @Revelation 1:1/Psalms 103:20 & executed by Jesus Christ in tandem with other angels.
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See, stop all these deceits. Jesus does not rebuke Satan in the name of anybody. He never rebuke any demon in anybody's name. Michael rebuked Satan in he name of the Lord. Give me the instance in which Jesus rebuked Satan in the name of Yahweh or anyone.

Hey Jesus is not Michael. Jesus is Lord of lords and King of kings. Not Michael.

Janosky:
Archangel Michael "strengthened" the angel to overcome the Prince of Persia & later this same angel "is about to return to engage the same Prince of Persia in another battle as well as the Prince of Greece, @Daniel 10:20-21.

Jesus Christ archangel Michael is the leader of all angels in battle and Victory, this fact is scripturally confirmed.
Matthew 25:31, 2 Thess 1:7-8 & Revelation 12:7-9.

Janosky!!! Must you lie?

This is Daniel 10:13, show me how Michael strengthened the angel!


"But for twenty-one days the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia blocked my way. Then Michael, one of the archangels, came to help me, and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia."

The Angel was helped by Michael who continued to fight the king of Persia to relieve the angel to carry on with his mission to Daniel. The Angel returned to go continue fighting alongside Michael. Is this your Jesus!

The Daniel 12:20-21 you quoted never said Michael strengthened the angel but rather an angel, not Michael, strengthened Daniel. Janosky!!! I pity you!!

Daniel 12:20-21

"Do you know why I have come to you? Now I must return to fight against the prince of Persia, and when I am through with him, the prince of Greece will come. But I am to tell you what is inscribed in the book of truth. There is no one with me who contends against the prince of Persia except Michael, your prince."

Is this your Jesus! I ask again!
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Ohyoudidnt:
It depends on what is seen to be truth. I am aware Trump intends to focus on Nigeria after resolving what is the Russia - Ukraine conflict. He says this is to address injustice over decades however was it just to almagamate diverse tribes to suit an economic goal in the past?

There is nothing new about the Civil/Biafra war issues, the greed of some Nigerians including those who may be Biafra but more importantly is the interest of the west that won't let go of the wealth within the geographical region called Nigeria. Indeed the pretense in human action cannot be overlooked.

We are barely scratching the surface regarding our human and mineral resources yet some foreigners see these well. The wanton theft of mineral resources hidden behind a strategically grown insurgency. The fret at the refining capacity of the Dangote refinery, the never commissioned to function Ajaokuta steel industry, the irony that Nigeria is about the world's largest producer of Yam and Cassava yet no meaningful derived revenue?

If you see the Prophet Muhammad pbuh as a terrorist for encouraging people to obey the supreme and engage in best interaction it is your opinion. Indeed the thieves and armed robbers see effective and honest police as terrorists. Perhaps your pain stems from him not being from Israel. It is as is.

Mohammed deceived you, open your eyes. Which peace be upon him. Listen, you cannot send peace on someone who is already dead. That itself is deception.

The Quran is just full of lies, lies and lies.

Which supreme commanded Mohammad to kill people for God when Jesus the Messiah who came before him already abolished physical punishment? Or you don't know that the whole scripture points to the Messiah? Everything all the prophets who prophesied before Mohammad preached put all focus on the Messaiah as the Saviour and the only One who can lead us straight to God. Look, if Mohammed had understood what the word 'Messiah" means, he would never have called Jesus the Messaiah because he was only out to deceive and not to speak why truth. If Jesus is the Messaiah, then, Mohammed is useless in the scheme of things even if he were a true prophet. The Jews are still waiting for the Messaiah till today. They missed Him as the scriptures already foretold. The problem with you Muslims is that you're very ignorant. If you know the meaning and import of the Messianic prophecies and personality, the moment Mohammed admitted Jesus to be the Messaiah, you'll quickly leave him and cling to the Messaiah. A Muslim on this forum once said that Islam has a different meaning for the term "Messaiah". I just laughed. Is Islam the originator of the term? If they changed the meaning in Islam, can't you see how obvious the deception is?

I just pray God opens your eyes before it's too late.

AbuTwins:
Freeing a Muslim man is better than all these Bible verses that condone slavery!
Not once did Jesus or your God ever said anything about freeing believers!

Verses of Slavery in the Holy Bible
1 Peter 2:18
Slaves should remain submissive, with every fear, to masters, not only those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are crooked.

1 Timothy 6:1 6
All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered.

1 Corinthians 7:21
Were you a slave when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so.

Colossians 3:22
Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.

Ephesians 6:5 NLT
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

1 Timothy 6:1-2
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.

Luke 12:47-48
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.”

Alhamdulillah for Islam! At least slaves can be freed! Not perpertual servitude as in the Bible!

These scriptures were written to Christians who were slaves of unbelieving masters to be submissive and not be disloyal to their masters or commit any crime. Do you want them to write to them to riot against their masters who bought them rightfully or what?


These are the scriptures written to Masters which you blindly overlooked:


1. Ephesians 6:9 (KJV)

"And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him."

2. Colossians 4:1 (KJV)

"Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven."

These scriptures emphasize the importance of treating servants with fairness, kindness, and respect, reminding masters that they also have a heavenly Master who holds them accountable.

I wonder wonder whether you expected the Bible to write unto slaves to slap their masters or to run away or something!

The Bible is about absolute justice and righteousness. If you're a slave, do not disobey or disrespect your master. If you're a master, do not use your servant derisively. Balanced!

Emusan:
Definitely!

For instance look at the scenario where Apostle Peter was talking about last day.

"And by the same word, the present heavens and earth have been stored up for fire. They are being kept for the day of judgment, when ungodly people will be destroyed." - 2 Peter 3:7

An average JWs will only focus on last part of verse 7 where it says "... ungodly people will be destroyed"

As God will only destroy wicked people and earth and heavens won't be destroyed to justify watchtower doctrine of LIVING FOREVER ON PLANET EARTH.

Meanwhile, the rest of that same 2 Peter 3 expressly talked about the very ELEMENTS that made up Earth and Heavens

As seen below.

8 "But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day. 9 The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment. 11 Since everything around us is going to be destroyed like this, what holy and godly lives you should live, 12 looking forward to the day of God and hurrying it along. On that day, he will set the heavens on fire, and the elements will melt away in the flames. 13 But we are looking forward to the new heavens and new earth he has promised, a world filled with God’s righteousness.

Even a secondary school student should understand this plain & simple sentences but yet you see an adult rejecting it just because some men in Warwick say don't believe it.

Just the same way when Jesus was talking about His flesh and blood, Christ made it clear that whoever did not eat His flesh and drink His blood will not have part in Him.

Yet Watchtower teaches that ONLY FEW SELECTED people need to eat and drink Christ's flesh and blood.

From the horse mouth Himself:
"So Jesus said again, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you cannot have eternal life within you. But anyone who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise that person at the last day." - John 6:53-54

This is seriously serious.

From your explanation, they don't read the Bible. They only read any part that highlights watchtower teachings, then become blind to the rest of the passage. Their brains are even locked so that the rest of the passage has no meaning to them. It's the devil's trick to use half truth to destroy the lives he wants to destroy.

Let's tell JWs that the whole Bible is the Word of God, and not just a fraction of it.

I gave Janosky some pertinent questions straight from the Bible to answer question by question (which clearly showed Jesus can't be an angel), he ignored them and was referring to Revelation 22 that never correlated with what we were discussing.

When will these guys see that they've been deceived?

Thanks for the clarification.

Courz:
All these your explanations from the Bible cannot be understood by a JW. JWs have had their brains washed with Bleach. The most basic Biblical understanding is lacking in that Cult because their leaders do not operate with the Holy Spirit which they have admitted to. The Cult was specifically designed to promote Lies and Instill brainwashing techniques on the members. There is also a Spiritual viel covering the eyes of JWs such that when you show them Bible verses, they can't see what you are seeing. It is that serious because their Leaders get their inspiration from Fallen Angels. These verses you posted are very simple to understand when you have the Holy Spirit. But since Watchtower Leaders prefer Human understanding with many Errors they brand as New Light, A JW will completely ignore these verses and stick to the brainwashed points from their Freemason Governing Body.

Fantastic!

Thanks for the heads-up. Now I understand.

Emusan has also raised similar concerns.

Emusan:
He doesn't have that cognitive capability to understand this post of yours.

That is why you always see him making disjointed posts.

Smiling. Now I understand.

Antoeni:
This situation ultimately comes down to common sense. Ukraine was formerly part of the Soviet Union, and the policies of perestroika and glasnost marked the end of communism and the fragmentation of the Soviet Union. This fragmentation led to the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact with other communist countries.

Russia has primarily demanded that NATO respect its alliances with other Slavic nations and refrain from allowing former Soviet states to join NATO. Instead, these countries could participate in the European Union based on economic ties. However, NATO's aggressive actions underestimated Russia’s willingness to attack Ukraine, even when it was clear what the consequences might be.

One must consider whether more lives could have been saved if President Zelensky had approached these issues more logically for the greater good of Ukrainians. He knew that Ukraine was outmatched by Russia in terms of military power but relied heavily on NATO and the United States. This reliance illustrates the danger of entering a conflict with the assumption that your alleged supporters will fully back you. Notably, the funds spent so far in the war have largely come from U.S. taxpayers, with the United States contributing twice as much as the entire European Union combined.

In my view, the primary solution is to stop this needless war. NATO seemed to want to weaken Russia militarily by using Ukraine as a pawn.

A Soviet alliance that saw Russia annexing Crimea in 2014 with more interests in annexing more lands? What's more logical than forming an alliance with NATO to help curb Russia's land grabbing menace?

Janosky:
Empty shallow WAILING WAILER,go and view the Biblehub aggelos screenshot again and again until it sinks into your heart.
Also,angels are "the sons of God" @ Job 1:6 @ Job 2:1.@Job 38:7.
Angels and men are the sons of God @ Psalms 82:1,6.

Revelation 1:1 has already exposed your folly before you typed your first paragraph.
@ John 9:4 Jesus Christ proven that himself and the disciples (@Revelation 1:1) are servants of Yahweh.

Gotham is not interested in the Bible truth.
Abeg go get some sleep & get ready to tickle your ears in your pastorpreneurs business center.

Answer the questions one by one. You're very shameless and lacking in honour. Is Bibkehub superior to the Bible!


I have asked you questions that beg for retrospection an sincere response. Answer them one by one. Revelation 1:1 says Jesus directly gave His message to John through an angel. It never said Jesus didn't feature in the Book of Revelation. Jesus was the One who held the seven stars, walked among the candlesticks, had his hairs like wool and his feet like burning brass. He was the One who said "I come quickly. "

Hey, open your eyes otherwise you'll wait with gnashing of teeth if you fail to repent and embrace the true Jesus.

Janosky:
Please bring the chapter and verse supporting your claim
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Look at these Scriptures:

Jude 1:9

"bYet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee[/b]."

Can you see here that Michael had to CONTEND with Satan, and had no authority to personally rebuke him? He had to say "The Lord rebuke thee Satan ". Michael had no authority to even rebuke Satan himself.

Open your eyes my friend!

See again:

Here's the updated passage:

Daniel 10:13, 20-21

"But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; for I remained there with the kings of Persia... Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince."

Here In verse 20, the angelic messenger says he will return to fight alongside Michael against the prince of Persia. Meaning, he expected to meet Michael still fighting the king of Persia and would therefore support Michael against the prince Persia. Does this look like the Mighty Jesus to you?

Now, see again and compare the power of this angel with that of Michael:

Revelation 20:1-3

"And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

In this passage, an angel descends from heaven, binds Satan with a great chain without any resistance, and in the blink of an eye casts him into the bottomless pit, where he remains for 1,000 years. No fighting, no contention. At this time, the earth already became Satan's domain because he was already evicted from the heavenlies. The earth in trouble. Satan came with all his might, strength and fury, yet an angel caught him like a fowl without the support of any other angel. No single resistance. He just picked him and threw him into prison. Do you think this particular Angel is mightier than Jesus whom you call angel Michael? Think my friend and stop being deceived.

This is what the scriptures say after Satan was defeated and cast out of the heavenly realms:

Revelation 12:12 :

"Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

He was not cast out with broken bones and a dilapidated body. His strength and fury remained with him, yet an angel simply picked him up without any resistance. Just compare Michael with thia Angel, and you'll see clearly that Jesus is not Michael.

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I have been told that you can never understand what I explained up there because you're already brainwashed by the cult you're locked in. Therefore, I would not take your response serious. Make a summary of my post if you think you understand. Prove your accusers wrong.

Janosky:
Nah angel acting on the Orders of Yahweh @ Revelation 1:1 carried out what you read in Revelation 22:1-2.

Who is talking about Revelation 22?

I am telling you that Satan was cast out of heaven. He was not stripped of his might. The Angel that bound him was too powerful for him. He couldn't even resist. That angel looks stronger than Michael who had to battle Satan before subduing him in every occasion of the encounters. This angel.csught him like an ordinary down, and the Lord Jesus who cast away Satan by His mere words is stronger than this angel.

Open your eyes, I pray thee.

Janosky:
You still don't get it.

Satan has been defeated in Revelation chapter 12:7-9.
Therefore,he has no power to resist any punishment carried out by any other angel, that is why Revelation chapter 22:1-2 is in your Bible.

Did you read Revelation 12:12?

According to you,he has been defeated in Revelation 12:7-9 but Revelation 12:12 tells us that "Woe to the inhabitants of the earth..... because he knows his time is short."

Does that look like a weakened person to you? He was cast out of the heavenly realms. His power and strength were never taken from him. He was merely cast out to the earth.

Janosky:
Study Genesis 3:15 & Revelation 12:7-9 to visualize the vivid imagery of Satan's defeat

If you expect any being that was "hurled down (as in "use am stone ground)" to put up resistance against handcuffs, your comprehension skills have failed you.

Hehehe, ignorance is not bliss dear.

Angels are spirit beings with wings. The Fabio is a fallen angel. A spirit. Spirits don't crash on the ground like a stone. Lol.they can't make any physical impact on the solid earth. Chai! I can't imagine that I'm still to be teaching you this.

*"Woe unto the inhabitants of the earth, for the devil is come unto you having great wrath... " That's Revelation 12:12 but you stopped at verse 9 to peddle lies. Does that verse 12 look like someone who became weak after falling to you? These were the words announced immediately after the fall you quoted in Revelation 12:7-9.

Open your eyes dear!

Janosky:
Gotham continue WAILING and deceiving yourself.

The screenshots evidence is enough proof of your folly and IBERIBEISM.
"A messenger generally (supernatural) messenger conveying news or behests from God to men"

MUMU WAILER, which criteria did Jesus not fulfill?
Is Jesus supernatural?
Is Jesus a messenger?
Is Jesus divine messenger?
Did Jesus convey news from God to men?

Your IBERIBEISM is very nauseating.

My dear, where's the screenshot that says Jesus us an angel?

You said angel means messenger/son of God. Was that not what you said? I wad the one who corrected you and told you that angel means messenger, not son. You should at least first recognise your own ignorance and folly.

In your screenshot, tell us how that screenshot makes Jesus an angel.

You're just too illogical. You mean any one who is masculine, supernatural, divine and conveys a message from God is an angel. Wonders shall never end. Is it JW that did your head like this? And then, you even gave Him Angel Michael as His name. How did you come about that too? Or anyone who is masculine, divine, supernatural and conveys a message from God is Angel Michael? Hilarious!

Every Angel is a messenger but every massager is not an Angel. Angels are all divine but, not all who are divine are angels. Angels are masculine but not all who are masculine are angels. Angels are supernatural but not everything supernatural is an angel.

You neglected Scriptures and clung to screenshots that you don't understand.

Hey, talk and answer the below questions directly:


1. Jesus is the Resurrection and the Life. Is an angel your life or God Himself?

2. Jesus is the Bread of Life. The very source of Life itself. Is an angel your source of Life or God Himself?

3. Jesus is the Light of life. Is an angel the Light of life or God Himself. Angels are often referred to as angels of light. But Jesus is referred to as the Light Himself. Think about that.

4. Jesus is the One coming with clouds. The One coming with clouds declared Himself the Almighty. Is that not God or you want to lie against Him because of human doctrines?

5. The One who is coming said He is the First and the Last, and that He is coming quickly. Then, we hear "Even so come, Lord Jesus. The Spirit and the Bride say come ," Who is the First and the Last? Jesus of course. Are your eyes still blind or they're now open? Answer me!

6. Hebrews 1:1-3 explained that Jesus is the Brightness of God's Glory and the Express Image of His Person Care to express how that fits angel Michael?

Revelation 1:1 (KJV)

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto His (Jesus) servants (Jesus' servants) things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified it by His angel (Jesus' Angel) unto His servant John (Jesus' servant):"

Read that verse again and research it.

I want a direct answer to the above, provided question by question. Do not derail into things I never asked you. I'll see it as a deliberate attempt to cover up your shame. JWs have no shame anyway, otherwise you won't come on a public forum bearing the tag of your organization and keep abusing people while discussing the Holy Word of God.

cornelboy:
Wasn't it Michael that defeated Satan and his angels in heaven?

Rev 12:7-10

They faught real battles. This particular angel didn't fight Satan. He just simply grabbed him like a fowl and cast him into prison.

On another one on one encounter with Satan in the book of Daniel, Michael fought really hard.