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Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 10:52pm On Feb 13, 2025
Janosky:
"God opened your eyes", pls Answer the questions:

* God the Father came out of whom?
Are you an atheist? He is the Beginning of all things. Himself has no beginning and has no end. He reproduced Himself to give us Jesus His Son.

* Which spirit sent by God did not come from God the Father?
It is different thing to come from, and a different thing to come from within.

Confused Trinitarian deceiving himself and exposing his folly.
If I have not shown you straight from the scriptures, you would have been correct. If you're the one contradicting the scriptures, you're the one deceiving yourself.

It is not even a mistake that Jesus called Himself the Almighty in the Book of revelation. You guys would be shocked on that day for allowing some men to deceive you.

May your eyes opened.
Christianity EtcRe: See 21 Arab Christians Praising Christ Before They Were Beheaded By Muslims by GothamCities: 8:44pm On Feb 13, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
Yada Yada Yada, broken records with no new songs
John Bull, is this the song you sing in your terrorist camps?
Christianity EtcRe: See 21 Arab Christians Praising Christ Before They Were Beheaded By Muslims by GothamCities: 7:43pm On Feb 13, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
Usual garrulos giberish without addressing the topic directly .
The skewed position where a Christian western world society solely depict violence as terrorism to whoever they define as Muslims but play with nomenclature when it relates to those of the Christian faith.
The usual rants of a defeated opponent. Tell me how many Christian organizations have gone on a beheading spree without a cause attached to it! Why are you so empty of knowledge even when you were advices to consult a dictionary? Killing and and commiting gruesome crimes against people who have no previous grudge or issues with you. I mean people loving peacefully and seeing you as a friend until you came for their heads, that's what make you a terrorist. If you have previous scores to settle as in the case of the crusaders, it's a different thing. You as a person know what the truth is but you're a bloody liar who would never stand on the path of truth.

I
slam clearly upholds the sanctity of every being but you all channel the narrative contrary to the absolute truth and ignore anyone from Christendom that does same.
Which Islam? Lol. Is it Mohammed or Boko Haram or ISIS or who are the very Islam that value human lives? The joke is on you.

You say the crusaders committed genocide but are too emmbarased and insincere to call them terrorists. Is this trying to hide the truth in shame?
Hey, John Bull, am I the one that will call them terrorists of their actions as defined by the dictionary. John Bull, it is your actions as defined by the dictionary that make you a terrorist. I am not the one who designated you a terrorist. A genocide is a genocide and terrorism is terrorism.

On Israel and Gaza, you definitely know it is not Islam vs Christianity or Judaism though it may have had some of that commotion. How old Israel got to where was formerly known as Israel you know and developments till date. Is it the non original native Americans thar usurped the land of the native aborigines that are morally and legally qualified to back Israel up on the lands in contention?
You should as the same question to the Arabs and all Muslims worldwide who back the Palestinians up on the land in question. The land is Israel's ancient land. That's where Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, Elijah, Elisha's and all the ancestors of Israel lived and were buried.

How much in dollas was used to expand the armour in very recent times. Alas the trurh is always there but sentiments try to claim otherwise.

Throw whoever is on board your ship off as I and you are too different to even consider sharing a ship.

Illiterate that feels educated yet knows nothing. Keep making noise, I guess it pleases you. I however implore you to get your TS treated.
Lol. John Bull, you make me laugh. You know, you didn't even read what you typed, so, how can you understand? You're even making a position that Americans uprooted the aboriginals of their place, hence, America should allow Israel to be uprooted by the Palestinians and not back them up. Hahaha. You're very entertaining.

John Bull, you can't condemn Boko Haram and ISIS like I did the crusaders. Go and sit down, you bloody terrorist!
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 5:27pm On Feb 13, 2025
Janosky:
Very relevant question exposing your delusion.
Confused Trinitarian, from whom did God the Father come out ?
Answer this question & risks exposure of your false doctrine, because God the Father has no origin.
Therefore, God the Father is the origin of Jesus existence, John 5:26 without the Father, Jesus has no life.




Confused Trinitarian,is there any Greek word "within" @ John chapter 16 you quoted?
Let me ask you this question again:
God the Father came out of whom?

All angels came from God the Father.
You don't want to allow your brain to function.
grin
May God open your eyes. You ignore the Word to cling to doctrines of men. Congratulations to you.
Christianity EtcRe: See 21 Arab Christians Praising Christ Before They Were Beheaded By Muslims by GothamCities: 3:56pm On Feb 13, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
I forget what you call off topic is too far above your reasoning and academic training.

The crusaders committed genocide but are not terrorists?


Point clearly to the lie don't just make your common nonsensical statement maybe it can be clearly rephrased to suit your level of comprehension.
You don't even have shame.

You still.have mouth to talk nonesense when your brothers in Islam are currently beheading someone somewhere as we speak!

I know you CAN NEVER CONDEMN THEIR ACTIONS because deep down in your heart, they're doing the service of your demon.god.

John Bull go take a dictionary and learn how to differentiate genocide in war from terrorism! I have condensed the genocides of the crusades nonetheless. Dem no born you well make you condemn Al-qaeda , Boko Haram or ISIS!

Do you want to change topic? I'm open okay? Just truthfully confess that you'll like to move on to another topic, and I'll oblige you. Don't write on a topic we're not discussing and middle it up with some paragraphs relating to what we're discussing making you look incoherent and disorderly. How can you ebb understand ordered conversation when your holy book is so disjointed that no narration runs smoothly together with other narrations within the sane contexts?

I am so well informed on the Gaza-Palestinian conflict that I'll throw you off board if we start looking into the matter historically and concurrently.
Christianity EtcRe: See 21 Arab Christians Praising Christ Before They Were Beheaded By Muslims by GothamCities: 3:04pm On Feb 13, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
A very clear example of this though there is no justification for the needless amount and time of violence that has led to numerous loss of lives and wanton destruction is the forming resolution of the Israeli-Garza conflict.

I see a resolve to resettle Gaza in another place and America which is largely pro Israel taking over Gaza region and renaming it Rivera.

Truth be told who originally owns the land? No point getting into it after all who really owns any land.
Off topic!

You talk of characteristics of war without regard to causes? Is this a cheap input or your usual non thought out irritational outburst of ignorance. Is it impossible to resolve land claims without war? Is there any justification for innocent civilians suffering for the egocentric desire of few to control land and wealth?[/quote]On what premise are you asking these questions? Have you asked your murderous brothers these questions already?

I have previously confirmed the actions of the crusaders calling them anti-christian. Have you ever condemned the actions of your murderous religious terrorists? What moral grounds do you have to be asking these questions,?

Your questions are off point. If we're discussing genocide, then your questions are valid. Moreover, I have previously said the crusaders were genocidal in their war campaigns. They detailed totally from the Christian faith. However, their acts do not construct terrorism. Genocide in war is not the same a terrorism. They had a valid reason for the wars humanly speaking but they committed genocide in the process. That's not terrorism okay? That's why I asked you John Bull to go to school.

Move on and away with your poor ability to appreciate plain truth
You've been lying all along. Where the truth? I shouldn't be surprised anyway,, since even your religion calls lies truth and truth, lies. I'll advice you to get a dictionary and lookup the word 'Terrorism'. Your Islamic organizations are terrorist organizations. No doubt. Only God knows how many people Islam has beheaded for the demonic Allah again today worldwide.

May your eyes be opened. A god that cannot judge sinners by himself but needs men to help him behead them is no God.
Christianity EtcRe: See 21 Arab Christians Praising Christ Before They Were Beheaded By Muslims by GothamCities: 10:44am On Feb 13, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
John Bull take your mid term assignment and submit as soon as you resume from break.



Get into the activities of the First Crusade and see that it easily became Acts of Terrorism.

The First Crusade (1096–1099), initiated by Pope Urban II, was presented as a holy mission to reclaim Jerusalem from Muslim rule. However, its brutal tactics align with modern definitions of terrorism, which involve the use of violence to instill fear and achieve ideological or political goals.
John Bull, you better go to school and stop disturbing the world with your illiteracy!

If they went to reclaim lost lands, then they'll go to war. What you've described up there are all characteristics of war.

Your murderous religion go to behead, maim and do all manner of gruesome atrocities to people who owe them nothing. People who have neither harmed nor attacked them. Your head is filled with satanic verses only, how can you see correctly?

The Crusaders waged war and carried out mass killings that deliberately targeted civilians.
Civilians suffer in wars especially in ancient times. Everywhere wars are waged, civilians also suffer. There's no single ear in ancient times where there was no civilian casualty.

Particularly during the siege of Jerusalem in 1099, the Crusaders slaughtered thousands of Muslim and Jewish inhabitants wading through streets ankle-deep in blood.

Expatiate in not less than 800 words how the indiscriminate violence was not merely a military strategy but a terror campaign designed to instill fear and submission.

You are free to credibly write in disagreement to this.

Good luck.
Even the Romans warred against Jerusalem in same manner in AD 37, the streets flowed with blood. That's called a genocide.

The people who never offended Boko Haram, ISIS, AL-QAEDA, ISWAP, etc whom they behead daily for Allah, what are they called? Terrorists! They 21 christians in the OP were killed in like manner to do the will.pf your blood sucking Allah demon. Deborah was killed under same circumstances just because she told them to stop spamming the class Whatsapp group with quranic verses. Are you not ashamed of yourself and of your god?
Christianity EtcRe: See 21 Arab Christians Praising Christ Before They Were Beheaded By Muslims by GothamCities: 4:36am On Feb 13, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
The primary objective of the Crusades, especially the First Crusade (1096–1099), was to reclaim Jerusalem and other sacred Christian sites from Muslim control.
How is this an act of terrorism?

Pope Urban II, who initiated the First Crusade in 1095, framed it as both a religious obligation and a way to support the Byzantine Empire against Turkish advances.
How is this an act of terrorism?

Rather than creating unity, they exacerbated the divide between the Catholic and Orthodox churches, intensified political rivalries, and led to a long-lasting disillusionment with papal authority.
How is this an act of terrorism ?

The assertion that Allah offers virgins (Hoor al-‘Ayn) as a reward for immoral actions or martyrdom in a manner that promotes violence misrepresents Islamic teachings.
Lies!

The Quran outlines the rewards in Jannah (Paradise) for the righteous, which include Hoor al-‘Ayn (pure companions), beautiful gardens, flowing rivers, and everlasting joy. These rewards are intended for those who genuinely follow Allah, perform good deeds, and seek righteousness—not for individuals who engage in wrongdoing.
And they will have [in Paradise] purified spouses, and they will abide therein eternally." (Surah Al-Baqarah 2:25)
Killing for Allah is Righteousness according to Allah. This is the motivation for your terrorist brothers worldwide. The same reason why Deborah was killed and the killers are applauded by all Muslims. The same reason why Pantami said Bin Laden was a better Muslim than himself.

Groups that misinterpret Islamic texts to rationalize violent actions often take Quranic verses out of context. Islam firmly prohibits suicide and the harm of innocent individuals.
Lies! Mohammed himself was a killer till.his death. He even ordered a woman to be tied to two camels and torn apart alive. Such a wicked soul! All because the woman didn't accept his prophethood.

Take your lying mouth away from here!
Christianity EtcRe: See 21 Arab Christians Praising Christ Before They Were Beheaded By Muslims by GothamCities: 8:07pm On Feb 12, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
You are unable to keep up. I mentioned Anti-balaka as terrorist. Tell the actions of the crusaders and show how they were unlike actions of terrorism?

Was it truly for religion or greed and desire for position.
You are unable to answer my questions!

Your organizations are terrorist organizations. Agreed?

The crusaders fought to reclaim lost lands and unify Christendom. While they also have a motive for wealth, none of these actions are terror inclined. The flight anti-christian marauders and applied force on fellow Christians whom they consider to be dissidents. They never went out to subjugate people of other faiths or behead head for not accepting Jesus while shouting Hossanah.

While their actions are anti-christian in all ramifications and are a gross departure from the tenets of the Christian faith, your terrorist organizations are the true face of Islam. They're following the paths that their murderous prophet left for them. Their actions are never confirmed by Muslims. The killers of Deborah never even got prosecuted for their bloodshed. They're walking free and being praised in Muslim circles. Boho haram, ISWAP, ISIS, Al-qaeda, etc are all heroes of Islam. Muslims all over the world are happy at what they do because they're acting according to the instructions of Allah. Allah even promised virgins for such despicable acts. Is the difference not clear?

The crusaders clearly ran contrary to the Christian faith even though they did not go about terrorizing people as Islamists do. The Islamic terrorist organizations on the hand are acting true to their religion. Infact, they all consider themselves better Muslims than those who don't kill.
Christianity EtcRe: See 21 Arab Christians Praising Christ Before They Were Beheaded By Muslims by GothamCities: 6:19pm On Feb 12, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
Re read your submission.

Crusaders were the Christian warriors who participated in the Crusades


The First Crusade (1096–1099) was driven by a variety of motivations that went beyond its religious pretext. It was officially launched at the request of Byzantine Emperor Alexios I Komnenos to defend against the Seljuk Turks, but it also aligned with Pope Urban II's goals of strengthening papal authority and mending the divide between Eastern and Western Christianity. Many participants were also inspired by the promise of heavenly salvation and the chance to have their sins forgiven. Economic interests were significant as well, with younger nobles eager for land and wealth, while Italian merchant states sought new trade routes. This intricate mix of political, economic, and religious factors influenced the direction of the Crusade.

Primcipally the Byzantine Emperor Alexios I Komnenos (r. 1081–1118) sought to defend against the Seljuk Turks, who had taken control of much of Anatolia, the empire's core region, following their victory at the Battle of Manzikert in 1071. This defeat significantly undermined Byzantine authority over its eastern lands, resulting in economic downturn, military instability, and increased threats to Constantinople itself.

Defense after being conquered or ego driven desire for control and greed for wealth.


JOHN BULL please go back to school.
How does an attempt to retake conquered land amount terrorism? Can you now see that you're the John Bull?

Which conquered land are you terrorists retaking? What aggression are you defending against? If that's what you're doing, no one would call you terrorists. You'll be militants at best.

But, you guys wake up in the morning to think of who to kill for your blood sucking god.
Christianity EtcRe: See 21 Arab Christians Praising Christ Before They Were Beheaded By Muslims by GothamCities: 2:27pm On Feb 12, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
Birds of a feather. Ottoman jihadists is terribly off point as the Ottoman empire didn't exist at the time Alexios initiated the crusades. Is this too advanced for you to comprehend?
We were talking about the crusaders, you brought in Alexios. It seems you didn't even know the difference between the two. Are you an illiterate?

The term "Crusaders" actually refers to the Western Christian armies that responded to Pope Urban II's call to arms in 1095, with the goal of liberating the Holy Land from Muslim rule.

The Crusaders were primarily composed of:

1. French nobles and knights_: Led by figures like Godfrey of Bouillon, Raymond of Toulouse, and Bohemond of Taranto.
2. German and Italian contingents_: Including forces led by Emperor Henry IV's brother, Conrad, and the Doge of Venice, Vitale Michiel.
3. Other Western European forces_: From regions like England, Flanders, and Normandy.

Alexios I Komnenos, the Byzantine Emperor, did not lead the Crusader army. Instead, he requested military assistance from the West, which ultimately led to the launch of the First Crusade. He himself was not one of the crusaders. The Byzantine army did provide some support to the Crusaders, particularly during the Siege of Antioch by murderous Muslims in 1097-1098.

So, while Alexios played a significant role in initiating the Crusades which were based primarily on self defense and Christian unification, the Crusaders themselves were primarily Western Christian forces defending against Islamic bloodshed.
Christianity EtcRe: See 21 Arab Christians Praising Christ Before They Were Beheaded By Muslims by GothamCities: 10:26am On Feb 12, 2025
AntilsIam:
He want to glorify taqqiya not knowing that it will backfire on him
It's their way.
Christianity EtcRe: See 21 Arab Christians Praising Christ Before They Were Beheaded By Muslims by GothamCities: 9:22am On Feb 12, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
You see why I am right that you are uncivil and uncultured and very likely too narrowly educated.

I asked you a simple question regarding Matthew 24 which you deliberately ignore. How did your Jesus ask you to defend yourself?

Your brittanica article discussed numerous reasons for the dispute and you know religion is the least. You cannot comprehend the political cause? Ego and ethnic supremacy?

Whar makes Brittanica more credible than Amnesty international? I see you are still under you British colonial masters; NIGGER literally.



Your church doesn't do it as they are a church in isolation of all others? What about the churches that do? Pathetically irrational submission.

Did you not lie that the crusades were in response to the Ottoman jihadists please when Alexis lied to start the crusades with the pope urban exploiting further? Were Eastern Christians not also killed in these crusades by the crusade army. Be better informed or shut up without exposing your ignorance.
He said the crusades were a response to the Muslim jihadists. He had other motives but the defence against murderous Muslims was still part of the motives.

Was it only the crusades you listed in your false and deceitful claims? You listed other organizations too which I said were created to defend against you murderers. You couldn't counter that, could you?

I read you asking Antiislam about Mathew 24 as a way of countering his stand that the the organizations were founded in response to you murderous lots. Did I read you asking him whether that was how Jesus taught us to respond? Is terrorism determined by how Jesus taught us to respond or by the actual act of terrorism itself? You're terrorists, not because of how mohammed taught you to spread Islam but because of the very act of terrorism you murderers practice. Mohammed was a terrorist, not just because of what he taught but because of what he did.
Christianity EtcRe: See 21 Arab Christians Praising Christ Before They Were Beheaded By Muslims by GothamCities: 7:21am On Feb 12, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
Same garbage of nonsense. Who are you feeding with your legend of lies?

Alexios was primarily focused on regaining lost imperial territories.
The notion that Emperor Alexios I Komnenos sought Western assistance mainly to protect Christians from the Seljuk Turks is a distorted view.

Although Alexios did request military support from the West, his motivations were rooted more in strategic interests than in concerns over religious persecution.

Context of Alexios' Appeal for Aid

By the late 11th century, the Byzantine Empire found itself in a vulnerable state for
1. Loss of Anatolia
Following the Battle of Manzikert (1071), significant portions of Asia Minor were lost to the Seljuk Turks, greatly diminishing Byzantine authority in its core regions.

2. Internal Struggles

The empire was grappling with civil wars, economic decline, and threats from Norman and Pecheneg invaders.

3. Seljuk Expansion

The newly established Sultanate of Rum represented a direct danger to Constantinople and Byzantine territories.

Sometime in 1095, Alexios dispatched envoys to Pope Urban II during the **Council of Piacenza, asking for mercenary reinforcements to reclaim lost Byzantine lands.
- He was in search of professional soldiers not a large-scale religious crusade.

Pope Urban II’s Response motivated by his own objectives (such as bolstering papal authority, reuniting the Eastern and Western Churches, and redirecting the aggression of European knights into a religious conflict), reframed Alexios’ request into a call for a Holy War, which ultimately led to the First Crusade (1096–1099).

Misinterpretation of Religious Oppression
- Some chroniclers from the Crusade era in the West (like Guibert of Nogent and Robert the Monk) portrayed Alexios' appeal as a desperate plea to rescue oppressed Eastern Christians from Muslim domination.
The reality was more complex:

- Byzantium had coexisted with Muslims for centuries, frequently forming alliances with Muslim leaders.
- While certain Christian communities did experience taxation and restrictions, widespread oppression was not the primary concern.
- Alexios was primarily focused on regaining lost imperial territories.
Ma, did you go to school or only the Quran is what you have inside your head?

How does this your post invalidate what i.said? Alexios founded an organization to reclaim lost lands on the pretext that he was defending christians against murderous Muslims. How is it a act of terrorism to reclaim your land or defend against murderers? Which of your murderous terrorist organizations is in the act for such purposes?

They're avowed to kill, maim, imprison, rape, subjugate innocent people who.havr done them no harm. All in a bid to forcefully make them Muslims according to the teachings of your false prophet who now resides in hell as a just punishment for his lies and deceptions.
Christianity EtcRe: See 21 Arab Christians Praising Christ Before They Were Beheaded By Muslims by GothamCities: 11:33pm On Feb 11, 2025
AntilsIam:
You will just copy link without going through the context..

The Anti-balaka is an alliance of militia groups based in the Central African Republic in the early 21st century said by the Guardian to be composed primarily of Christians, but also some Muslims.

Your fellow slaves are among them so why giving yourself unnecessary headache



FROM THE HISTORY

Some commentators have said that village militias formed in the 1990s to protect against highwaymen were a precursor to the Antibalaka. Unable to provide security throughout the remote areas of the country, President François Bozizé organized, self-protection groups in 2009 to combat crime on the village level; these took the name Antibalaka.

In March 2013, President Bozizé (a Christian) was overthrown by a coup during the Central African Republic Civil War by a mostly Muslim rebel coalition known as Séléka. The leader of the Séléka, Michel Djotodia, became the first Muslim president of the country. With the disbanding of the army by Djotodia, many army members joined the militia, boosting their numbers and helping train them.

Djotodia announced the dissolution of the Séléka in September 2013, but most of the militias refused to disband. The Séléka and the anti-balaka engaged in a cycle of increasing violence.


IN CASE OF NEXT TIME WHEN TALKING ABOUT ANTI-BALAKA, DON'T FORGET TO MENTION YOUR SÉLÉKA. ANTI BALAKA was founded because of SELEKA

While members of Anti-balaka were both Christians and Muslims, members of seleka were ALL MUSLIMS





Muhammad was the first False prophet and an antichrist

The question still stand, go straight to the point I don't want super story


You said I am uncivil bla bla bla because I called you Muslims Idolaters?

The question is, why did your religion copied the ways of hindu paganism if truly you are NOT idolatrous in Islam?




Exodus 20:4–6
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Anyone doing this is an Idolater
I like the way you're answering the guy ohyoudidnt.

He is a typical Muslim, he'll never speak the truth. All those organizations he listed were organizations formed to defend themselves against Islamic terrorist organizations and other attackers. Just like the crusaders who came together to defend themselves against the marauding Ottoman jihadists.

You'll even notice from the names of most of the organizations that they're not offensively organizations that go.out looking for who to kill like the murderous Muslim organizations do.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 1:49am On Feb 09, 2025
Janosky:

Confused Trinitarian, from whom did God the Father come out ?

Gotham, from whom did you come out?
Gotham from whom did Jesus come out?

Gotham came out from his parents.
Jesus came out from his Father.

God his Father has no origin.
Gotham, please allow your brain to function nau.
Trinity delusion hold you down real bad.
grin grin
Irrelevant questions.

Jesus said He came out from within (exelthron tou patros) the Father, and not from among the angels. Just prove that these Greek words don't mean what I said they mean. I have a lot for you, you can go through the thread or better still, engage me.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 1:47am On Feb 09, 2025
Janosky:

32. aggelos ►
Strong's Lexicon
aggelos: Angel, messenger
Original Word: ἄγγελος
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aggelos
Pronunciation: ANG-gel-os
Phonetic Spelling: (ang'-el-os)
Definition: Angel, messenger
Meaning: a messenger, generally a (supernatural) messenger from God, an angel, conveying news or behests from God to men.



Word Origin: Derived from the root ἀγγέλλω (aggellō), meaning "to announce" or "to bring tidings."

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H4397 (מַלְאָךְ, mal'ak): Often translated as "angel" or "messenger," used in the Old Testament to describe both divine and human messengers.

Usage: In the New Testament, "aggelos" primarily refers to a supernatural being sent by God to deliver messages, execute His will, or provide guidance and protection to humans. It can also refer to human messengers in certain contexts
John 7:16 , Jesus Christ is an angel sent to deliver God's messages, execute his Father's will and provide guidance for believers

* Gothamcities, STOP deceiving yourself.
You are TWISTING Isaiah 55:11, "my word that proceeds from my mouth" (@ Isaiah 55:11 is not a being).
Confused Trinitarian, LYING miscreant.
.
grin
John 1 says Jesus is the Word of God. In the Book of Revelation, His name was called The Wird of God.

May God open your inner eyes.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op):
gohf:
see this one, since the day I rejected your invitation to where gothamcities calls a cult, your love hate towards me increase. You remind me of that woman with unclean spirit that kept following Paul
So, you're not a member of that cult. Hahaha.

He holds the same views about Jesus as you do actually. The only difference is that you believe Jesus was a mere man while he believes Jesus is angel Michael. However, both you and Maxindhouse cannot deny that it was Jesus speaking here:

NRevelation 1:8,:

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

Who is speaking? The One Who is, Who was and Who is to come. The Almighty

1. God the Father is the One Who is. Jesus is also the One who is. That is to say the One who is existing right now. God the Father and Jesus currently exist. Both of them IS.

2. The One Who was, God the Father is not the One Who was. God NEVER was. He never ceased to exist. He always IS. Jesus is the One Who was. He died, and so He ceased to exist for 3 days. "...a little while you will see me no more ." At that time when Jesus died, He became the One Who was. The disciples saw Him no more. They even went a fishing.

3. God the Father is not the One to come. He's always here, we're not expecting Him to come at any time. He always is. GOD THE FATHER IS NEVER TO COME. Jesus is the One to come. The Coming King. The Almighty

So, who.is the Almighty? The One Who IS, Who WAS and Who is to come. The Lord Jesus. The Almighty.

You can see how it's all interwoven between the Father and the Son as it is in all scripture. This is because they're both the same entity who manifests differently.

If you think, Jesus is not God, this verse will definitely confuse you. You won't be able to explain it without errors. If you think otherwise, I challenge you to defend this verse as God the Father speaking and not Jesus.

Jesus is the One coming. And He ended His Revelation to John by saying "I come quickly..." Phew!

"Even so come, Lord Jesus. The Spirit and the Bride say come."
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 8:56am On Feb 07, 2025
gohf:
Those who take God's Word for granted and refuse to turn around in absolute submission to the Word of God even after they've been unwittingly shown their errors are buying eternal damnation for themselves.

So may my words you have read continue to remain lies to you forever, may you continue to reject them with your fervency 😊 👍. Congratulations 🎉🎉
Lol.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 7:29am On Feb 07, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
In Jesus Name, Amen! cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 7:26am On Feb 07, 2025
gohf:
yes the joke is on me, you win. Believe whatever it is that you want.

There was never a hope that you would change 😮‍💨 so ride on 👍👍
It's not possible for me to change from the truth to lies.

If I were you, rather than defending falsehood in the face of obvious truth, I'll humbly reconsider my position with deep consideration for my soul and my eternity.

Those who take God's Word for granted and refuse to turn around in absolute submission to the Word of God even after they've been unwittingly shown their errors are buying eternal damnation for themselves.

If you cannot prove that I lied on this thread, then, you're the one who lied, holding on to falsehood and have refused to shift your sinking ground for the sake of your own soul.

My prayer for you is that God will fill you with the burning desire for Truth and not human doctrines; give you a humble heart to see your shortcomings and not your need to be egoistic; open your inner man to embrace the true gospel and not the doctrines of demons; and provide you a pathway to choose salvation instead of religious loyalty.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op):
gohf:
exposing you 🤣 lol you can go ahead and call me a liar for life. The issue is you will only increase your punishment but that shouldn't stop you, are you not 100% sure you are right 😊 so keep up your confidence 👍

Lol I never took you seriously to attempt "exposing you" 😮‍💨 even a child would see your nonsense when reading the simple exchanges we have had
The normal rhetoric of iars after they're challenged to prove themselves. They usually shoot back a retort to escape their shame.

Instead of the gibberish you typed up there, a fewer lines of reference to prove yourself would have suffice. You don't take me serious, yet you spewed so much gibberish without proving a single thing against me. May God have mercy on your soul.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op):
gohf:
Rev.1.8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega--the beginning and the end," says the Lord God. "I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come, the Almighty One."

No matter how much you try to change the truth to fit your lies it will never become the truth. The devil will keep bringing up new ways to deceive you.

So it was God who died for you? Not Jesus anymore?
The joke is on you! That verse says the One who was" which is Jesus who died, but you're confused claiming God was the One calling Himself the Beginning and the End in that verse. So, with this your confused question, do you now agree that it was Jesus speaking and not God? Do you now agree that Jesus is the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega, The Almighty?

So the words Jesus spoke were from himself and not from God anymore? Continue.
How does that change the fact that Jesus was the One who spoke to John in Revelation 1?

So if I quote what God said in Isaiah I am now God and the originator of those words. Continue you will soon reach the bottom of the pit you are digging
SMH.

The difference here is that the Speaker was not quoting anyone. Or did you see the words in quote? He was speaking His normal language for identification sake as He introduced Himself. John knew clearly by those words Who it was that was speaking to him.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 10:49pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
I have been doing that even in your previous thread. You just choose to be blind or better yet be pretentious
We're now talking about this very thread dear. You said I'm blind and a liar to deny that you have debunked me on this thread. Prove yourself right now and stop using escapist responses.

Show me how you too the verse on this thread and exposed me to have lied or manipulated the verse.

I beg you to do that now or be called a liar for life!
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 10:45pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
to show you are a confused person deliberately letting yourself to be used.

This is what you are responding to, "really you were show three entities". You are just a liar. Even simple personal questions you can not answer with confidence, you will either avoid it or start typing nonsense
This is what you said that I responded to:

really you were show three entities 😀

Even Jesus did not call the Holy Spirit God but continue your story
And I told you that if your spirit is called man, what should God's spirit be called?

You're just a liar man.

I've screenshot you below:

Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 10:28pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
you are just a confused human that's why truthseeker10 was laughing at you saying so Jesus is no more in heaven right
Where did he say Jesus is no more in heaven? Point me to where he said that..

You who say Jesus has no physical body, listen to what the bible calls you and your rubbish demonstration of truths
Where did I say Jesus has no physical body? Please point me to where I said that!

[A quote]2John.1.7 There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist![/quote]Quiting from your manipulated scriptures. Lol.

The original Greek said jESUS CAME IN THE FLESH. it never said Jesus was truly human. These is a demonic rendering of that verse. I have attached the original Greek translation below. Check it out.

This verse is corroborating what I have been saying. Jesus CAME IN THE FLESH. The flesh is a vehicle that Jesus came in. The flesh is not Jesus.

You are a deceiver. The previous time I quoted this verse for you, you challenged it and accused it of lying against Jesus
You're the deceiver actually. Copiously lying against the word of God and manipulating scriptures to suite your false narratives.

See the Greek Interlinear attached. Debunk it since you know Greek more than even AI.

Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 10:15pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
are you not confused, which verse did you use or quote correctly that I didn't "debunk" is it not just revelations I did and you are here lying again shamelessly.

The fact you lie about simple things like this is already shocking that you claim to teach and clarify others
Please debunk my lies. Expose me. Just point me to where you dissected the verse I have used to create this thread, and proved my reasoning to be faulty.

I'm seriously begging you to expose me. You cannot just be alleging someone by mere shouting that the person has lied without proof!
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 9:47pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
Rev.1.8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, says the Lord God, He Who is and Who was and Who is to come, the Almighty (the Ruler of all).
Look at it, verse 8:

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was {the One who died), and which is to come (the One Coming again), the Almighty.

Now tell me, how:

1! God is - Yeah, God the Father is, and so is Jesus.
2. God was - God the Father NEVER WAS. He always IS. But Jesus WAS, when He died.
3. Is to Come - God the Father is NEVER TO COME. JESUS is the One who.us coming.

Jesus fulfilled all description in this verse, God fulfilled only one. Hence, the verse refers to Jesus speaking. He was first introduced in verse 1 and 2 as the One who signified these things to John. He now introduced Himself in verse 8.

Now, if you think God the Father wa the One speaking to John, when it was said expressly that Jesus was the One who signified these things to His servant John to be delivered to the Churches, then, I'm afraid.

Rev.21.5 - And the one sitting on the throne [/b]said, "Look, I am making all things new!" And then he said to me, "Write this down, for what I tell you is trustworthy and true."
6 - And [b]he also said, "It is finished! I am the Alpha and the Omega--the Beginning and the End.
To all who are thirsty I will give the springs of the water of life without charge!
Rev.21.7 - All who are victorious will inherit all these blessings, and I will be their God, and they will be my children.
Rev.21.8 - But cowards who turn away from me, and unbelievers, and the corrupt, and murderers, and the immoral, and those who practice witchcraft, and idol worshipers, and all liars--their doom is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death."
Jesus was clearly the One speaking here too. The Word "It is Finished* is a literal reminder of Jesus' same Word on the cross. Then, "To all who are thirsty, I will give of the springs of the water of Life" is a word of promised made by Jesus to the Samaritan woman in John 4, and at the feast in John 7:37-38. These are the exact same words of Jesus. You don't even need to confuse this verse at all.

Rev.22.9 - But again he said, "No, don't worship me. I am a servant of God, just like you and your brothers the prophets, as well as all who obey what is written in this scroll. Worship God!"

The person here is clearly the angel who has been the one conveying John from one revelation site to the other.


[quote]Rev.22.10 - Then he instructed me, "Do not seal up the prophetic words you have written, for the time is near.
Rev.22.11 - Let the one who is doing wrong continue to do wrong; the one who is vile, continue to be vile; the one who is good, continue to do good; and the one who is holy, continue in holiness."
Rev.22.12 - "See, I am coming soon, and my reward is with me, to repay all according to their deeds.
Rev.22.13 - I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."
So, who is coming soon? God the Father or Jesus?

Rev.22.14 - Blessed are those who wash their robes so they can enter through the gates of the city and eat the fruit from the tree of life.
Rev.22.15 - Outside the city are the dogs--the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.
Amen! Even so come, Lord Jesus. And the Spirit and the Bride says come.

🤣🤣🤣 how will you know the truth when you called Moses the house, now you are shameless avoiding your error. A confused person wants to clarify things, there's plank in your eye
We are God's house, perhaps you don't know. Jesus is not a house but the Builder. "I will Build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail."
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 9:19pm On Feb 06, 2025
sonmvayina:
So what was existing before the beginning?
And
Where did God create the universe?
There's no beginning, the concept of beginning is earthly. For man to understand , God Himself is the Beginning. In actual really, what we have is Eternity.

Marduk is the same as Hashem In judaism, he is also the same as Olodumare in Yoruba and Chineke. Same creator God, different nomenclature.
The nomenclature does not matter. What matters is who your Marduk is. If he's the universe, then, he's not God.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 9:15pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
so you agree your god is 3 different persons. And you confuse yourself that you have a god
Three different persons in manifestation but one in essence.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 9:14pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
is it because you are blind or you are pretending to be that you avoid all the verses and words I have posted. You can read them from the beginning maybe God out of His mercy will open your eyes
By posting verses and words, you're creating a new line of argument. That's not how to debunk a a position.

Take the verse I postulated and say what I said about that verse is not true. Puncture my interpretation or find a new and verified meaning to the Greek word I explained. That's how to debunk. Not by creating new lines of argument that has nothing to do with the actual argument.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 9:11pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
Well men don't give birth 😂, Mary gave birth to Jesus he didn't fall from the sky, she conceived him by God's power and spirit and gave birth to him.
Yes, she received Him by God's power and Spirit. He was not a product of any man's semen.

The Scriptures say He was the Word who in the Beginning with God, became flesh and dwelt among men.

Anyway you went from writing this, "By saying Jesus is God, we do not refer to the man but to the Spirit within the man Jesus."

To typing the above nonsense, are you not confused, are you not making a mockery of God's word. So Jesus was no more a man filled with the spirit of God right?
If Jesus was a just a man filled with the spirit of God, then His mission ended when He left the earth. That way, He lied when He said "Lol, I am with you even unto the end of the world "

K
eep twisting and turning like a brood of viper
No, sit down and learn. We would teach you Wisdom.

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