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Eddee:
Yeah, she's strong willed and that's a very important trait. Great choice bro, but I don't think it ended well for Cookie, I think there was prison and somewhere along the line is it death? Details are a bit fuzzy now

I apologise for derailing. won't happen again

Cookie going to prison was a choice.. her choice.. Moreover her sisters actually called the police.. from latest release.
Sorry for derailing the thread too

xtremecr8:
Not everybody sir. Only true trolls especially those speaking from both ends sir. At first, we innocently thought they are passing comments until we found you all out sir.
You are following this thread every time all these days but you still lied that you are not following and had even unfollowed it.We have been seeing you every time but just shook our heads and remembered what Saharareporters journalists told us that big brands do.
You can be in the business section and may not need to open our thread let alone spend so long on the thread.
Like we said. Just be a force for good and tell them that a labourer is worthy of his wages.
We put all our heart in that masterpiece.

You forcefully wanna join me to first bank
I won't be replying your mentions again

xtremecr8:
Hmmm.
Thank you for following this thread daily sir.
We know FBN online crew are on this thread morning, afternoon and night sir.
Whoever of the top management of FBN who authorized the use of our Intellectual property behind us is monitoring this thread too.

First of all.. your thread is on the business section, which of course I do frequent.
Secondly,
It's funny how you see everybody who made a contrary opinion on your thread as been a troll
I know you must have gone through my profile and post over and over again, looking for something to associate first bank with me.
I have already unfollowed your thread, long before today
Don't you ever quote me again.

I will state clearly again my position on this... Pls nobody should mention me again.

Firstly, way before the Sahara reporters video, when op didn't give out much info,
my opinion then was that, he did designed and added the logo images to the iPad covers, and FBN uplifted the logo design, which of course is wrong

But all through this issue,
The only thing I have been saying all this while, is that the OP should meet FBN legal team and hear what they have to say, I suggested him taking lawyers, journalist, recording devices along, so he could get hardcore evidence, no one else made this suggestion
It still baffles me that some people will think I support FBN even with the above point.

I was and only concern about his money and his brand... No one here seems to be concerned about that.
Clearly, no one here is concerned about that,
The ops startup does not end or start with FBN, there are still other contracts out there to be won,
So I kept hammering the advice of meeting the legal dept, instead of creating this thread only because of the negative pr, this will bring to his brand. People will know of the brand, but will top jobs want to give him jobs with all this public show. This was and is still my position.
I am only concerned about him getting his money and without damaging his prospect of getting better and bigger jobs with other brands..

I wasn't the only one that suggested this.

At no point in time did my opinion alligned with any of those trolls...

I have clearly stated
That I have passed through similar thing with what ops is passing through.
I had to wait for 6 months to get paid, with a brand way more bigger than FBN.

So for those attacking me, pls and pls take a step back, read, understand and know that this is clearly my position on what the op is going through.
Ejo pls no one should quote me again

Hotfreez:
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May your children work for people and those they work for treat them the way First bank treated this man.

You need help... Seek it.
I return those prayers back to you.. may you face more problems than what the op is facing.
Since you can't see that I wasn't supporting FBN.. I was only concern about how OP can get his money out from them

xtremecr8:
Dear sir. You are lying by saying you offered us help. All you have done is bully us online and write in defence of First Bank,Jide Aboderin and top management of FBN. You are an interested party that is profiting or stands to profit from how badly we have been treated by big brand First Bank. There are so much invectives you have poured on us that we shudder at quoting those unsavoury words you used on us and your audacity to boldly lie that you want to help us. You are obviously part of them. You all write the same way.
Words like Daft, insane, stubborn, blackmailer etc you used at us are not words thrown around by decent people especially when they take advantage of the annonymity this platform provides.We assure you for certain,you will reap what you sow in life sir. Like egbon Leye4u said, Osa bi o le Gbemi....

.
It's obvious,
You have a problem.

I didn't offer to help you do anything.. and I didn't even say anything in that direction, all I did was give you advice, of meeting the FBN legal team
When everyone kept asking you to meet the legal team and you kept mute, I clearly stated that you are afraid of meeting them.
My initial assumption was that they didn't ask you to do logo for them, you did the hard cover and they saw the logo and lifted it, someone else also made that assumption, and this was way before the Sahara reporters video.

Also.. I apologize for calling you daft, but my personal opinion about you been stubborn and egocentric still remains the same.

And no where did I support Mr whatever.. I will try not to reply you again. I don't know you.. you are nothing to me, I only goofed by offering my opinion.
But shalom.. have a nice day
I wish you the best
The screenshot you posted didn't say anything..I didn't deny any of those.

xtremecr8:
You should please remember how you moved from accussing us to cursing us to now calling us very derogatory words we shudder at and finally wishing us well.
You are not helping us in one bit and actually have sustained attacks on us.
We have been victimized to the point that we almost called it quit but when we see the encouragement and the support we have been offered so far and the prospect that others going through same punishment by big brands draw inspiration from us.
We will get paid and it will be victory to truth and Justice. We have not done anything to deserve all these bullying and victimisation . We worked out our heart and soul to create that logo , during the period, they keep sending us back and forth several times,one meeting and another, requests to us to position it like this for them to see, tweak that for them so they can compare again to make a better choice and all the usual demands until we delivered that our original logo masterpiece to them. Lo and behold, all that hardwork and not even a dime yet they went behind us to lift it and use on all their documents, buildings, gifts,tellers etc yet still didn't pay us.
Where is that done anywhere in the world?
We have been suffering all the while and Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney and other top management members of big brand First Bank carry on with no conscience that we deserve our pay for all the hardwork and you kept on using unsavory derrogatory words on us and claimed to help us.
We will remain resolute. We deserve to be paid for designing the 125th year anniversary logo of big brand First Bank.
Big brands don't kill small brands.

I said.. "who ever is sending trolls after you is stupid"
I guess you didn't see that one.. they I also said.. it could be you sending the trolls against yourself.
Also.. I stand by my words that you are stubborn,
And egocentric.
I have never abused anyone on social media before, so I apologize for calling you daft.
I have since unfollowed your thread, you are not paying me or gonna pay me, all what I did was to give you the advice of meeting the legal dept in order to sort this mess out, and my major concern was your brand not even the money. If I have done otherwise.. screenshot and bring it up.
Have a nice day
And I wish you the best

You also accused me of lying, so I guess we are in the same path, you shouldn't have accused me of lying when I didn't .. you couldn't even point out the lies

leye4u:
Ewo ni gba romi di eleru
Osa bo le gbe mi,

If you cant help these people then leave them alone,wetin be your own ,
They want to be paid for a job they did and they have a right to be paid . SHIKENA

If you are part of their adversaries let them know,the more the merrier.

Egbon, I don't have problem with them, I want to see them get paid, I only offered advice.. nothing more.. I have since unfollowed the thread.. I am only replying to mentions nothing more.. I wish them well and I hope they get paid for the job they did.
I only offered advice. Nothing more
So Iwo na... Lo kalm down.. sho gbo

xtremecr8:
Please compare these your two remarks below and that of Mr Jide Aboderin and their social media influencers, PR attackers etc they sent after us






That's the problem with lying. You will need other lies to cover other lies. Your change of tone is not sincere and it's understandable after you have been condemned on your previous actions of mocking us, trolling us and defending FIRST Bank has failed and fallen flat.
Sir, you're one of them. Our issue is not about legal, please tell them again.
Our issue is that the same legal didn't see anything wrong with their bank using the logo without paying us, didn't see anything wrong with them not paying us and now brought in, recieved our correspondence after Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney claimed to have referred it there and went silent for months even till now is part of the system that cheated and still cheating us. Is it because of legal they're doing the recruitment too? Is it because of legal that the social media influencers unleashed on us are saying same thing you,Jide Aboderin,Social Justice,Jamesid, GhostPr etc are saying and same way? You are using different monikers.

Every attempt to sustain the script will not work. We are the victim. Tell them to pay us for designing your 125th Year anniversary sir.

Lol
Mr
I don't work for first bank, I am not a social media influencer or anything close to that
I don't operate any social media account, apart from nairaland and say WhatsApp. Thou my start up has social media page, Instagram only.

Secondly, I didn't change my view or anything close to that. I have always insisted you visit FBN.
And I still maintain that stance.
Also if I have changed my view, you can go through my post on here and highlight them

Also
Pls do point out where I lied in any of my post
Or where I use one lie to cover another lie,
You can't get public sympathy this way.
Mention any lie from any of my post on here
In all my posts, I didn't mention you not working for first bank, or first bank not owing you money, I kept saying you should take a step back and see their legal dept.

..but it seems you need serious schooling.


the job of the legal dept, of any org. Or company doesn't just stop at handling court cases, just incase you don't know.. they draft contracts, they handle negotiations, ensure the brand does its require obligation, assist in vendor management they handle complaints, and a whole lots of contract litigation issues. So if there is any department you need to meet right now in FBN.. then it's their law dept.

No one has condemned me apart from the deranged fellow up there who is happy about victims of an explosion.
Neither have I mocked you, instead I have offered you advice. Just so you know, I don't know anyone in FBN, my ,NGO only has account with them, and this is in far north, Kaduna state.
But I have come to a simple conclusion.

you are stubborn, egocentric and lastly daft,

Anybody who says a contrary opinion to yours is against you...that is the number one sign of stupidity
Go back to the drawing board, hear out your staff, talk to more people hear them out, people in real life, not people who depend on you. They will tell you to go to the legal dept and hear them out. You re even funny, do you expect the legal dept to be a court, and be upright, nooo they are employed by FBN so they have to do FBNs bidding, they are lawyers l, not judges.. you only have to negotiate with them, and they inturn advice FBN on what to do...

DNSPro:
In your mind, you think you are making sense. May this country kill of you soon or later. I dnt even feel pity for those who experienced explosion in Lagos last Sunday cos many of them felt that as long as they have their cars and duplex, they are fine.

Don't worry continue

Most Nigerians have wicked heart.
And you are just displaying that.
Firstly
Most of those people who died in the Lagos explosion are not rich folks, they are just struggling people trying to make ends meet, you can see from the video of the explosion how the the environment looks like

Secondly, nobody, no matter how rich or how poor deserves that. Well people like you are too wicked to see that.

With regards to if I am making sense or not, from your little write-up I don't expect you to understand.
I clearly stated earlier, that I had gone through similar phase with Nescafé. A bigger brand than First bank
A way more bigger brand than first bank , I was supposed to collect a small amount of 1 million, it took me 6months to do that. This was in 2018.
I don't work for any of those big brands, and I have nobody who does so.
But in our clime, and because OPs money is hooked there, you have to do as they say. Just for him to get his money out.
I understand that is wrong, but you have to look at the fact that the money will do something to OPs business.. it will give it a lift no matter how small.
This issue is what needs to be resolved without much fight.
That's what I have been ringing in ops hears.
They did wrong, yes, we know that.
But instead of this, you can clearly take another approach get your money and still safe yourself all this unnecessary stress and trauma.
I can't imagine what the op is going through because of this, not just him, his staffs too will be feeling horrible.
You just have to save yourself all this.
Not just that, your brand is going to get affected too, cos this is clearly a negative pr.
Pls note
NSE can't compel FBN to pay him, they can only advice, if you think they can do so, pls give me an example of a previous scenerio.
Only CBN, court and the combine voice of thousands of Nigerians, can make them pay him.
Nigerians are not United to speak up
Court is a long and time wasting process
There is no assurance with CBN cos first bank will reply them with a long letter of defence.

Diplomacy is the best bet, meet the legal dept, take lawyers along hear them out. This will let you know if they wanna pay you or not. Cos for now you don't even know, they only stalled on payment. Meeting the legal dept with recording devices, this will even enable the op to get more support from Nigerians, have a solid case in court when he presents evidence of bullying in that meeting

What is happening to OP is happening on a daily basis, with thousands of other contractors, not just in Nigeria, all over the world.
But still, people get paid.



As for you .. you are not worth it.. it's very very clear

olalekan9320:
This is one of the reasons why we will never get it right in this country. After job done, does one still have to lobby before being paid?

You are 100 percent correct.
But then that's the way things are . You can't just forgo your payment.
When it's your turn, you pay others immediately.

The country is bad. Not just the leaders . But everybody, we are very bad, greedy and wicked

tee10:
NSE will throw your petition into the dustbin, become they do not have the legal powers to do what you are asking them.

You are asking NSE to preform the functions of a law court

Now you can go ahead and write Securities and Exchange Commission too, it still amounts to wasting your time. Go read about the Ansbury vs Oando ownership tussle

You are killing your own brand here and not First bank, while burning your money too...keep it up

Remember I told you so when you go bankrupt

Asin what he is not understanding is that he is killing his own brand, way more than first bank.
First of all.. first bank will never give him another job.
Secondly, other brands will run away from him.
This is Nigeria.. all the top ogas at the helms of these brands are friends, they are seeing what is happening, after the kind of ridicule you re subjecting fbn to, you think they will want to come to you.
They ofcourse know that if something happens and they default on payment, you will do something similar to their brands..
I am only concern about your beautiful brand.. to come up with that logo is no easy task sir.

From look of things.. you gave them an invoice after they must have already lifted and started using the logo.
And they felt they amount you want is outrageous.

Sir
From the video I saw on Sahara reporters.. you look mature and old.
You don't just go to the village square and accuse your neighbor's son of stealing your goat, you first of all meet one or two elders and visit his house.

Also begging on public forum is not gonna help you sir, except if you re been sponsored by other forces.

Don't bother going to court, waste of time and resources.

Only solution is set up a meeting with the legal team or the top management of FBN.
Go along with a reporter and a lawyer, if you are scared.
But this show will only hurt your startup.
You will end up collecting jobs from minions instead of the big fishes out there.

If I was the one..I will never create something like this.
The money in that bank does not belong to the CEO or any manager or legal department. It's not a one person's bank..so they are even looking to spend the money




People work for govt. Brands, they don't get paid and they don't make fuse about it . They only lobby to be paid.
No one is saying this is good.
But sometimes you lose to gain, lose some money to gain bigger money.
This is all business.
People spend 1million just to get a contract of 500,000. You think they are foolish? Noo they know that more bigger ones will come.

But
Look at this scenerio sir.
If you had not come up with this act
If first bank have a contract at a future date.. and you come up.. they will look back at your previous service, which they so much love and Def give you a better job.
Jobs will now even come in more frequently

ogbiwa:
Of course I always appreciate when people give, but did he really need a fundraiser to raise this amount? This is less than 5% of his weekly income from football alone.

Asin

These people make huge money,,, but they still set up crowdfunding pages just to donate 10k
Pogba makes mad money in monthly salary, makes mad money in image rights, Instagram, and a whole lots of side hustles
Yet he was only able to raise a paltry sum of £7600 for his last birthday.
I understand that it's his money.. but still na

jamesid29:
Where in his write-up did he bully you? How are you certain he is the one behind the other monikers you claim to be trolling you? Finally, I read the Twitter screenshot and what he asked there are legitimate questions not too different from the one I asked in the things we do not know section of my original write up. It's funny sir that you have intentionally not tried to engage any of these questions and many others like it that have been posted by other users.
So once again sir, the only reason you have singled him out and have been dragging him for several pages now is because of his family name and you have been using that against him (which is a form of bullying). I don't know who Mr jide is and I never even knew who owned punch newspaper until you made it known on this thread but what I do know is that, this world we are building, where someone can quickly run online, accuse people of wrong doing without concrete proof and have public sentiment become judge jury and executioner, is not a world I want to leave for my children.

Sir you are hundred percent correct.
I dont know the stupid person sending trolls against the man.
Also.. It can be that the man created those trolls account himself cos heaven knows that I doubt if firstbank will go this cheap way of sensing trolls against this kinda tiny business in relation to their mega empire.
Whatever this man is owing them is def. No more than 10m, first bank can easily pay this money without blinking
.also let's not forget that the people this man is calling are at the top top top tier of FBN.
I know how much a bank manager takes home yearly, how busy they are and I doubt if they will send trolls against this man,
They will rather send twitter influencers.
Also
I have noticed something with big brands, they dont always go the public way, I mean they dont bring their stuffs to twitter to sway public opinion, example is case of gtbank vs innoson
Amcon issues with banks,,, glo vs Mtn debt
These are monies running into billions and yet they are not looking for public sympathy

Why then will first bank send cheap nairaland accounts after this man because of less than 10million.
Its very very likely that the woman he is accusing takes home close to 20m yearly. Haba bro, levels dey na


The question this man shoukd answer is that.

why hasn't he gone to their legal dept after their invitations

I dont work for first bank
I am only concern cos there was a time I had issue similar to this.
I had to wait for 6 months to get my money.

Ameboperoo:
From what I can see, it's like the op was given some printing job to do and FBN pulled out the logo from the iPads the op printed and started using it without paying for the logo even though, the payment was made for the printing of the iPads.
Now, the op sees the logo he design for the iPad being used by FBN and felt he should be paid for the logo separately.
Even though the op is not coming out clear on this.
If my assumption is true, what is the legal implications for both of the parties? Lawyers in the house.

That was clearly what I said in my earlier post.. And op didn't talk about it.
Its obvious they took the logo from the iPad job.

If you are in. Ops shoe.
You are supposed to meet the legal dept to rectify it
They clearly wanna negotiate, if not they would have sent police men to him or even called him out.
Op should meet the legal dept. They can reach a fine figure.. Its as simple as that.

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12345DKO:
@op, I love your sincerity.

There is no need to lie over this.

Funny thing is that I saw a slight increase . Of about 1.5 cm.. but that increase is not worth it
People want fast and visible growth
.. I am looking to grow a business out of this.
I just believe the drug is out there.. when erect.. I am 5.75inches.. now

doggedfighter:
Okay, keep trying.
How about the car? Have you been able to buy?
I need small car for my hustle honestly

I don't understand you

doggedfighter:
How far with your p, enlarged?

No honey.. Drug didn't work.. Made contact with someone else.. Yet to hear feedback

commodore007:
I see people here talking about meeting the legal department..we have to be clear on some issues here
first the OP has no reason to see the legal department at all, simply because first bank tried to play on their intelligence by using their logo without paying which in it self is illegal .there is this legal maxim A fortiori " with even stronger reason, which applies to a situation in which if one is true then it can be deduced that the second thing is even more true. so there fore if it's true that this logo design was was not paid for, then it is more true that first bank has an a ulterior motive all through the transaction. Ask your self this question, why hasn't FBN come out to deny this allegations or why haven't they sue xtreme cr8 to court.....think friends, think

So how do you advice he gets his money ?
I will tell you why first bank is yet to see the man.
Dude is still an upcoming startup
Should first bank sue them.. public opinion will shift against first bank no matter who is at fault
Secondly.. why hasn't the dude sue first bank too

Look when you have issues like this . With a company over 100000 times bigger than you, and they refer you to their legal dept . The best thing to do is to meet the legal dept first and hear them out.. meeting the legal dept doesn't cost a thing
Why can't you just leave out a day and even hear what the legal dept has to say..
This issue is about IP infringement.. and trust me... The only person that can handle it is the legal dept. No other dept will handle it.. if you handle job or something like this comes up between you and FG... And they refer you to the legal dept, not efcc or DSS or even police.. will you stay at home and not go.
In any establishment, organization or even govt. The legal dept alone always go out to negotiate deals... Not the finance dept or marketing dept.
Example
Our money
Our own money
The abacha loot that is been repatriated yearly, who do you think handles it. It has always been the attorney general. This is our money that is stashed outside the country.. not their money, why haven't the country gone on BBC and CNN to be begging for it.
I repeat marketing dept source for deals.. the legal dept finalize it.
That's why there are lawyers in brands like these.. it not everyday that these lawyers go to court on behalf of FBN... They always come in on issues like this.
If man wants his money, he will have to meet them. Not even a campaign on channels will give that money

I want to unfollow this topic, but the truth is that I want to see the end.
The truth is that.. any sane person will see that the op is not telling the complete story.


First of all. With all due respect . Your logo might not be more than 10m
Secondly for this campaign to have gotten the attention of the GM.. and other top members and nothing has been done about it shows that.. the fault is clearly with the op.
And first bank don't have time to waste on his case.
They know that he can't go to court or do anything like that.

I feel that.. the op is feeling cheated and wants to renegotiate the pay.
Or FBN stole the logo from the ipad covers he did for them, they paid for the iPad covers, saw the logo on the iPad and took advantage of it.

The op is clearly afraid of visiting FBN legal team, he knows they will put him in his place legally. Show him that he has no case against them.

op is clearly not after his money/pay. He just wants to run a smear campaign against FBN.. nothing more

Any sane business man would have met the FBN legal team
The money you are owning FBN is no more than 1-5million. That's if you re owning them, secondly I feel you didn't even negotiate any logo with them.
They didn't ask you for anylogo
You did the hard cover, added a logo on it, they love it, stole the concept and you wanna be compensated.

I don't work for FBN or even have any personal account with them, I am a start up owner and I know the pain of running business in Nigeria.
But pls.. let's be guided, our money is very important plus other future prospects.
We shouldn't destroy this cos of a mere campaign.

There are other brands out there. The moment you tell them that.. oh, I design FBN 125 logo.. they will go gaga.

So Mr op
go to FBN legal team, or sue them... But don't think any magu will come on nairaland and take up your case.. the best you can do is to report to some agencies or even report to industrial court. Just do something.. a smear campaign or begging for your money on nairaland won't bring it out... You have to go after your money.. 0.00005% of FBN customers won't see your post and only few will close down their account because of you.. they are not nairaland's scammers

Let no one deceive you sir.
You are taking the wrong approach.
Totally wrong.
First of all.. this is your business right
You also have had dealings with this same FBN in 2015 or so
All this campaign to smear their image won't work
Not just that.. you are spoiling your business reputation.
Other brands will surely run away from you.
I once had issue with Nescafé.. we took it the slow easy step.. we got paid and no issue.
Doing this will make the bank not even pay you.
Firstly
Secondly . They will most likely not give you another job again.
Thirdly. Other organizations will run away from you.

You are not the only vendor or what should I say that works with FBN.
There are tons of other people working with them and you think they will just want to take your "small money" and run.
These monies goes through a whole lot of process . They won't just pay you instantly...

The simple thing for you to do is get InTouch with their legal dept. Nothing criminal here.. hear them out, discuss and get paid.
You have to do their bidding ooo.. if not you re wasting your time.

There are contractors who handle projects way bigger than yours, with institutions and govts.
They get owned and things like this happen often, do you see them rushing to court or paying thousands in a bound to fail campaign ?
No
They will rather protect their interest, get paid and bid for more and more jobs.

Set up a meeting with their legal dept. Or even the Mrs in question, discuss... Apologize for the smear campaign and get paid..


People also suggested you met Twitter influencers.. I am sure you must have talked to one or two of them and they declined you, cos they eat from these banks too and will never use your small change to severe the relationship they have built over the years with these brands.

So uncle.. please don't be stubborn.
Go to FBN legal dept, you don't even need a lawyer for this... Go there..tell them you have not been paid.. and you wanna be paid simple.
Smear campaign won't rubbish a brand as big as FBN

Dreazy23:
Hey, Karik is looking great
How’s his overall traits coming out?

He is behaving better now..and now barks to stagers.. Tries to intimidate people on the street too..
Once he notice any fear factor in you

Thank you sir

naturepride008:
What's the work of salesman?

This issue is something you can just ignore, moreover, I didn't tagged you with it or are you his PA.

Mr I know it all, this is how you will just jump on stray bullet.

With all due respect Sir . he is actually right.

Some if us have become too lazy to source for information.

I look at people who ask silly questions like
"Is shipping included ?" as been too lazy and a bit stupid.

You see a thread with over 100 pages..
You then check the last page straight.. And ask stupid questions about if the money includes shipping
Why can't you just take few minutes, go through just first 3 pages of the thread and the last 3 pages of the thread.. It won't cost you anything.
Doing that will make you know if the guy is still legit, if he is already misbehaving or anything else.
Simple google search will bring out lots of information, that goes beyond just one aspect of a car.
Shalom

geminy:
Oh wow!! Karik’s head is soo Massive. It took after Pumba. Pumba has always been my favorite ever since it was a pup. Planned to get one sired by pumba but I was equally impressed when I saw drogo so I decided to get from drogo and sarabi litter...lol, cost just over 200k plus a crate I had to get from bsquared...and yeah, his dogs are impressive and about stamping authority, I am doing that o.. Maya is just 11weeks but the strength she exerts pulling her chain and try to take the lead ehn..lol.. but thankfully she has learnt to walk by my side now..when she tries pulling I give the sit command and she sits, looking up at me like “Wetin Dey do this man sef”. Ehehe... anyways, thanks for Your comment and get Karik a female partner soon. ;DCheers

I have always told myself that drogo s as big as pumba.. If not bigger.
But I have this picture of where pumba was standing on his hind legs..
He was taller than bsquared.
People gave offered to get me a good cauc like karik
But the truth is that
Fake can never be as good as original.
I made a mistake with the upbringing.. He was my first pup...
But now.. I am trying to rectify it..before he grows more older..
As soon as I have money.. I am buying the female dog.
Cheers mate

Karik is 11 months and 5days old...
He will clock 1 year on 27

geminy:
Ohh Thank you... I got her from Bsquared kennels, Jos

I got my dog too from bsqyared kennel..
But mine is from pumba and Lola.
11 months old last week

The only mistake I made then was not buying the female version along side the male.

When I got him.. he was the runt of his litter... Despite that.. look at how lovely he has grown
Even thou I have never feed it with chicken and co
It still turned out great..eating just bingo alone till date.

I wish I can get a female adult dog from bsquared
If he has I can pay as much as 200k for it.
Drogo is damn big.. almost as big as pumba.
That man had good dogs.
No one can deny that




Btw


You have a lovely ... Awesome ... And beautiful dog here... Pls spend on her .. don't hesitate..
Don't be stingy like me.
Lastly.. stamp your authority as soon as possible
Don't ever allow him lead the way or drag you. When you are walking him.
I had to pay 20k to correct this mistake . And till date.. boy is still damn stubborn.

your dog is very very beautiful

Pls who will help me to register for noun.. Undergraduate