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TAO11:
Lazy people can't defend Benin Kingdom from my destructive grip. 

Fasten your belt for this ride or present another Bini to save your kingdom from me.



He is still on the run, borrowing your excuse that he is unwilling to read many words.


The guy you're pushing to me, seem to be faster in speed than Hussain Bolt.

Won't you help him?

TAO11:
gregyboy has logged out at 11:18, and Edeyoung came in at 11:22.

Can't you sharply borrow someone's phone.

TAO11:
Mumu, because you're the same person. Ode!

Should I give you more proof


cc: babtoundey

babtoundey:
Edoyoung, you are funny. comment is "dumP", too long that you can't read yet you're not tired of wearing different masks on daily basis creating "dumP" and lifeless topics. Isn't that absurd?

Once again, Tao11 has tutored you as she always does. We know you won't learn (You never did). Tomorrow, we expect you to come back under another moniker probably Edoyoung or Edoold or gregman to contend the very issues and subjects you were made to understand in the hard way.

Tao11, God bless you. You've as usual undone Gregboy the mask under Edoyoung. May God increase you in knowledge.

RuggedSniper:
^^^First off @TAO11, I'm commending your doggedness on this thread, your good usage of written English with very tiny to mostly no typographic errors... and this shows that you pay attention to little details. 2. Ok... As an avid reader and lover of genealogy and world history for over 40 years now, I've read a lot of world/Nigerian history books such as: THE HISTORY OF NIGERIA by Sir Allan Burns (In the 1920s, he was a Governor of Ghana and an Acting-Governor General of Nigeria. The book can also be read for free via Google Books). In the book's chapter on LAGOS HISTORY, Ashipa was clearly referred to as a YORUBA man from among the Yoruba nobility of Isheri who gained the friendship and support of the then Bini monarchy. Ashipa (or Asipa) then returned from the Bini Kingdom with the assistance of royal aides that came back with him and set up a monarchy on EKO Island which was of YORUBA/BINI origin and traditions! The children of Olofin (who are the official land owners or IDEJO till today) REJECTED the new monarchy on their Island but were accepted into EKO aristocratic activities as WHITE CAP CHIEFS. 3. Indeed Ashipa is a widely used name that is of Yoruba origin from ancient times. 4. Last but not least, in his coronation speech in 2016... Which you can still read online, Oba Ewuare the 2nd, then newly crowned king of Bini Kingdom clearly stated that it is Oranmiyan (and NOT his son-Oba Eweka) that was the 1st Oba of Bini Kingdom while he is currently the 40th Oba! Cheers to you and everyone reading this.

TAO11:
Lazy people can't defend Benin Kingdom from my destructive grip.

Anyways, my comment has two purposes: (1) to destroy you and your 2by2 Kingdom as well as (2) toinform the whole world about the actual reality.

Enjoy this ride while it last.

davidnazee:
Did you use a crystal ball to see this??

TAO11:
I only call you out in an exchange whenever you're adamantly dumb so you can realize it and then adjust. That's all.

Moeover, your hero Etinosa1234 has been running from pillar to post -- now he's claiming to be unable to read long comments.

Is this really the best person you could present to save Benin Kingdom from my destructive grip?

Anyways, if you can't save him (while he also can't save himself or Benin), will you then fold your arms and watch Benin Kingdom continue to cast before your eyes?

BabaRamota1980:
Benin is different from Edo. Benin is different from Edo.
Benin is different from Edo.

How many times we go talk am before it sticks? See picture to understand difference between Benin and Edo. One does not need any bugger permission to wear garment, the other must be told and approved to wear cloth. If i have to tell you again I will shoot down your witch broomstick when you mount it tonight. Benin is not Edo.

BabaRamota1980:
Hayoholla, keep distance from these people. They are wicked. Theyve killed my car. I cant get it started. It was working fine. Keep away from them. Befoye you converse with Edo witcher chop plenty alligator pepper first so their strike can be deflected. Becareful, and dont touch any broom you see attached to a long stick, dont touch it.

AreaFada2:
Lol. Hehehe.

TAO11:
What a pity that your hero is on the run!

Moreover, since you want you runaway here to help himself, why no you help yourself them regarding the reductions I addressed to you particularly.

Are you incompetent?

hayoholla:
Stop stressing yourself, they will still ask for archeological evidence from one year to another, even with all this detailed explanation. Especially that greyboy. That guy na trolling winch!

TAO11:
Channel this your typing energy into addressing my refutation of your junks. .

Or channel it into bailing out Etinosa from my grip of countless refutations to him which he's still fleeing from even as I type.

To make it worse for you and him, I have replied him with even more refutations.

TAO11:
I really pray he comes back though.

Set awon Lagosian wanna-be.

TAO11:
And for your (gregyboy and Etinosa1234) posting of the super stories written by Gabriel Omonhimin, we need you to explain the following even further:

(1) How King Ado (according to your NewsPaper) was the first King, and not King Ashipa.

(2) How King Ado (according to your NewsPaper) is the son of the Oba of Benin, and not King Ashipa (according to the Benin account which says he is son or grandson).

(3) How Awori are Edo people according to your NewsPaper -- aka Gabriel Omohinmin. Rotflmao

Having said that, in case you Lagosian wanna-be Bini ret@rds aren't aware already; King Ashipa is Awori, his wife is Bini -- and as such Lagos kings link to Benin through her, as well ad through the political annexation which Ashipa initiated.

Moreover,

sesan85:
What "historical evidence" supports that fact that all the Obas of Lagos from Ologun Kutere are descendants of Alaagba, the Ijesha Babalawo of Oba Akinshemoyin? It's a fact that Alaagba, the Ijesha man, was the father of Oba Ologun Kutere. What "historical evidence" are you looking for?

TAO11:
Is this the best you can do to salvage your damage that some 10,000 men fighting for Benin Kingdom (including Ulsheimer) carrying guns made advances fighting to conquer Lagos and settle in??

I haven't seen you provide evidence for this foregoing nonsensical claim.

What you did was simply to show that there was some fighting going on in Lagos which I repeatedly been as fact as admitted by the Lagos account.

What I have, however, rejected outrightly as being without any basis is the interpretation that this conflict in Lagos was an attempt by the Benins to conquer Lagos and settle in there.

This is utterly absurd because the Binis had long settled in Lagos (for trade purposes) even before Ulsheimer (1603). As such, the conflict in Lagos around 1603 is as the Lagos account indicate -- trade conflicts between the Aworis and the Benin group et al.

Ulsheimer was no part of any men invading Lagos to conquer it.

No gun was involved as guns weren't introduced to the Benin army until the late 1600.

The event wasn't in the 1500 as you had claimed.

10,000 men is obviously an exaggeration.

Get help!

davidnazee:
You are obviously troubled by Benin treatment of Lagos.. only a troubled person can distort history so much the way you do..
For the umpteenth time, Ulsheimer served in Great Benin powerful miltary and fought in the campaign against Lagos (Aworis, your tribe).. You can see it in the attachment below and if you like intepret it to mean he was a cassava farmer in Lagos, na your way be that.. or you can even start to insult him for his role in annhilating the Aworis (your tribe)

sesan85:
What "historical evidence" supports that fact that all the Obas of Lagos from Ologun Kutere are descendants of Alaagba, the Ijesha Babalawo of Oba Akinshemoyin? It's a fact that Alaagba, the Ijesha man, was the father of Oba Ologun Kutere. What "historical evidence" are you looking for?

sesan85:
You mean Oba Rilwan Aremu Osuolale Akiolu identifies as Benin? Then how come he has no Benin name? Lol. So, can you show me any link where Akiolu identifies as Benin? I'll wait.

sesan85:
Dude, I'm talking about Alaagba, not Ashipa. Ashipa's Origin is not my business. Just setting the record straight that all the Obas of Lagos from Oba Ologun Kutere are descendants of the Ijesha man Alaagba. The Obas of Lagos since then have been Patrilineally Ijesha (Yoruba), not Benin. It's not in your place to deny that fact, amigo.

Etinosa1234:
I'm basically tired of having this argument with u...
Aisikpa-hienvborre was corrupted to Ashipa.. or shortened.... after u heard the meaning of the name but instead discarded it... There are many sources that state that it was a shortened name but time would not allow me to do the research

And for the umpteenth time when Josua came...He saw a military camp...in the island...He mentioned Lagos island...
Now let me tell u...u can't set up a military camp without military aims..
u can't set up a military camp in someone's area without fight... u dey claim I too know ..when Josua account was clearly shown to have corroborated the account...is it not clear to u.... Ur only source is Akintoye but u go play down other Benin account
Lol Akintoye account is true because he's a seasoned historian...and Egharevba work that was revised in university of Ibadan and in Michigan is fake....Na u go still talk shit abt Edo blogs like say dem nor do research but still post abt Akintoye (say Na seasoned... seasoned ko,maggi ni)

You are consoling yourself ongoing conflict btw the Benin and Awori.. But ur source is Akintoye .. was Akintoye alive then

Having said so... pls answer my simple question..
let's assume the Lagos account is true(of which it isn't)Esp with the fact that u claimed according to Lagos Ibadan reports, the Benin military commander (Asheru) was killed by the Awori

1)If Lagos was peacefully infiltrated, What were the circumstances that made it a vassal of the Benin Empire

2) If Lagos was peacefully infiltrated,What gave Benin the undisputed right to choose who becomes the next oba

3)If Lagos was peacefully infiltrated, what were the circumstances that made Lagos to be paying annual tributes for over 200yrs...

4) if Lagos was peacefully infiltrated, why were ur previous oba being buried in Benin...land nor dey lagos
Thanks ..I expect ur straightforward reply

if u like Post 12 page reply...if it doesn't fit my answer...u go explain am again

The last picture is from Robert Smith the book The Lagos consulate .... I'm pretty u know better than Robert... Social media champion

davidnazee, gregyboy , edeyoung... this one wey Tao never answer for up to 2hrs despite the fact that her last seen is 1.20pm, Una know wetin be the problem... Shey Na so she dey do

MetaPhysical:
Bini kept slave stock. Historical accounts say those stocks were sold and at one point the palace stopped selling them and started using the stock to sacrifice to Yoruba deities. History says Edo were the ethnic stock.

To prove it, history went further to provide evidence that your ancestors, as slaves, were forbidden from wearing clothes unless they were first granted an okay from palace to cover nak3dn3ss.

History says all these, not me.

hayoholla:
Bro, why are you ignorantly stubborn? When it seems you've been beaten to a corner, you ask for archeological evidence

MetaPhysical:
We have told you origin of our Sword in Ife.

I separate Bini royalty from Edo slaves like you.

Tell us if Edo has a sword and the origin of it.

I bet since your ancestors were roaming bush nak3d they also carried machette. Machette is not Sword, huge difference between the two.

You can talk about Edo machette but never open your mouth to talk about Bini Sword until you are first permitted by Omo Oba palace to do so.

You can barely get permission to cover your penis in public.....and now you want to talk about Sword.

You freak!

MetaPhysical:
You will not accept Dmitri's account backed by many world reputable academic institutions but you accepted Olfert Dapper, a writer of fantasy.

Ife is the only civilization in Africa that uses indigeneous Sword as symbol of State Rule. That symbol originated in Ife.

Other civilizations of Africa use machette and spears and arrow as their articles of Kingship.

There is authenticity behind it. What is the authenticity behind Bini sword?

Cc
Tao12

TAO11:
Ask your brother Etinosa how far! Body don tell am. At least, he pretended to be presenting evidence. Won't you follow suit?



I think you need to see a psychiatrist, no jokes now. You are already exhibiting clear traits of mental disorder. This right here is a clear manifestation of schizophrenia disorder through the messiah complex.

Days ago, you were busy clowning as if with bipolar disorder jumping from "Edeyoung" to "gregybo" and even going to the extent of exchanging comments with yourself.



You must first demonstrate that the criterion you requested is not as shitty as you yourself before you ask others to meet it.

Your claim is that Benin and not Ife originally owned the royal emblems. You have to prove your own claim first.

A picture or plaque showing the emblems proves absolutely nothing about your claim of original invention.

I will be waiting on you.

While waiting on you to get out of the trap you've set for yourself, be reminded that the Benin account makes it clear that the royal emblems were introduced to "Benin" by Ogiso Ere.

However, we know from the works of the most prominent and prolific historian of Benin Kingdom alive -- D. M. Bondarenko -- that Ogiso Ere was an Ife-Yoruba sent from Ife to oversee the administration of "Benin"



There wasn't a single time when a Bini became king in Lagos. Not once. The first king of the present Lagos dynasty is Yoruba. The claim of the Benin account is unfounded. Refer above to see the latest spanking received by your Lagosian-wanna-be brother.

The relationship between the Lagos royalty and the Benin royalty is completely different from what you Edos wish it was. It began purely as a political alliance and then got consolidated through marriage. You all must stop dreaming.

Moreover, the royal emblem which Oba Akiolu is holding is an indigenous Yoruba emblem of office called Akpe by the Yorubas. They are original despatched from Ife in ancient times alongside the Ada/Ida another ceremonial 'sword'.

The Ada & Eben, as the Binis call them, were first introduced to Benin from Ife by Ogiso Ere who is an Ife-Yoruba emissary sent to oversee Igodomigodo. I have beaten you black and blue on this before.

To be fair, it is not impossible that the present Lagos dynasty obtained its own from Benin considering the political and familial connection that later played out.

This is however by no means the same thing as your shallow conclusion that Ada & Eben (as the Binis call it) was invented by Benin. No, ifor the umpteenth time time it was introduced to Benin itself from the Yoruba center of civilization -- Ife. And the Lagos use could have survived from the earlier Lagos dynasty prior to Ashipa himself, it could also have been the result of cultural accretion from Benin.

For a certainty, however, the present Lagos dynasty is purely of Yoruba patrilineal blood from Ashipa himself (an Awori), and so on to Olokun-Kutere (an Ijesa), and so on till date. There is no Benin patrilineal blood whatsoever in that royal line anywhere from the beginning till date.

These ceremonial emblems are originally known throughout Yorubaland as Ada-Ogun & Akpe with the Ada-Ogun coming later to be associated with another later war personage in Yoruba history, i.e. Oranmiyan. Thus these emblems came to be know as Ida-Oranmiyan & Akpe.

Other Yoruba kingdoms have variant names for the "Ada"/"Ida" such as "Agada" or "Ele" as is popular among the Ijebus. Samples of the Ada Ogun ceremonial sword can be seen in Museums across the world.

Refer to the attachment below to behold the despatch of Ada & Akpe from Ife to Sir Kesington A. Adebutu of Ijebu-IperuRemo during his installation as the Odole Oodua.

gomojam:
That thick head is a fraud. He always need articles or evidence as if he was a thesis supervisor. Who knows maybe he is collating materials to write some fictionalized Benin version of The Game of Throne.

Since he is too lazy, as proven so far, to source for materials independently, he keeps creating silly threads with sillier claims that will incite debates (with proves, evidence, citations etc) from which he fraudulently copy paste into his scripts. He no go remember paraphrase am self.

Do not be surprised if you recognize an adaptation of your arguments here by a certain "scholar from Benin" has been transitioned into a blockbuster movie. Netflix, Amazon, Irokotv etc. will scramble for it

Worst of all, being the fraudster that he is, he will never give credit or admit that it is an intellectual property from Nairaland by one "EDUCATOR TAO12. May God bless her"

I just weak when I imagine the scam

TAO12:
You must first demonstrate that the criterion you requested is not as shitty as you yourself before you ask others to meet it.

Your claim is that Benin and not Ife originally owned the royal emblems. You have to prove your own claim first.

A picture or plaque showing the emblems proves absolutely nothing about your claim of original invention.

I will be waiting on you.

While waiting on you to get out of the trap you've set for yourself, be reminded that the Benin account makes it clear that the royal emblems were introduced to "Benin" by Ogiso Ere.

However, we know from the works of the most prominent and prolific historian of Benin Kingdom alive -- D. M. Bondarenko -- that Ogiso Ere was an Ode-Yoruba sent from Ife to oversee the administration of "Benin".

TAO12:
(1) Lmao at trans. Anyway, you forgot to tell him that you're gay. At least that was confirmed by you yourself when you were once describing gay joints.

(2) Why are you so dead-scared of me? Is it because of how I tear Benin Kingdom apart? Don't worry I will soon leave Nairaland. I know Binis will hold a fest if I eventually leave. Anyways, I will be here for a long time. Year 2030 will only be the beginning.

(3) You smelly-mouthed, janus-faced, fatuous, pathetic lair. Where did I ever have such discussion as the bolded with you. Attach a screenshot, or a link or both to where I discusses the bolded with you. Olodo. Atoole. Benin Kingdom obviously needs pathetic liars like you.

I was already considering your application to be naturalized as a Lagosian, but you just ruined your chance with this big lie. You lie through your teeth shamelessly. Scum of the earth.



There wasn't a single time when a Bini became king in Lagos. Not once. The first king of the present Lagos dynasty is Yoruba. The claim of the Benin account is unfounded. Refer above to see the latest spanking received by your Lagosian-wanna-be brother.

The relationship between the Lagos royalty and the Benin royalty is completely different from what you Edos wish it was. It began purely as a political alliance and then got consolidated through marriage. You all must stop dreaming.

Moreover, the royal emblem which Oba Akiolu is holding is an indigenous Yoruba emblem of office called Akpe by the Yorubas. They are original despatched from Ife in ancient times alongside the Ada/Ida another ceremonial 'sword'.

The Ada & Eben, as the Binis call them, were first introduced to Benin from Ife by Ogiso Ere who is an Ife-Yoruba emissary sent to oversee Igodomigodo. I have beaten you black and blue on this before.

To be fair, it is not impossible that the present Lagos dynasty obtained its own from Benin considering the political and familial connection that later played out.

This is however by no means the same thing as your shallow conclusion that Ada & Eben (as the Binis call it) was invented by Benin. No, ifor the umpteenth time time it was introduced to Benin itself from the Yoruba center of civilization -- Ife. And the Lagos use could have survived from the earlier Lagos dynasty prior to Ashipa himself, it could also have been the result of cultural accretion from Benin.

For a certainty, however, the present Lagos dynasty is purely of Yoruba patrilineal blood from Ashipa himself (an Awori), and so on to Olokun-Kutere (an Ijesa), and so on till date. There is no Benin patrilineal blood whatsoever in that royal line anywhere from the beginning till date.

These ceremonial emblems are originally known throughout Yorubaland as Ada-Ogun & Akpe with the Ada-Ogun coming later to be associated with another later war personage in Yoruba history, i.e. Oranmiyan. Thus these emblems came to be know as Ida-Oranmiyan & Akpe.

Other Yoruba kingdoms have variant names for the "Ada"/"Ida" such as "Agada" or "Ele" as is popular among the Ijebus. Samples of the Ada Ogun ceremonial sword can be seen in Museums across the world.

Refer to the attachment below to behold the despatch of Ada & Akpe from Ife to Sir Kesington A. Adebutu of Ijebu-IperuRemo during his installation as the Odole Oodua.

cc: RuggedSniper, lawani, MetaPhysical, BabaRamota1980, gomojam