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Etinosa1234:
Bro I don tire for them...

So tey one don say na political alliance we take control Lagos...
The one wey I dey follow argue nor get facts Again...she come dey change the words of my source...I Jus know say she don go out of steam...common yes or no..she dey write essay for persom
Abeg... arguing with Awori be like arguing with a mad man...people wey our father brainwash... according to Tao sha

Abeg I nor dey do again boss

valirex:
You can thank us again

TAO12:
If you push me to the edge, I will present even more damaging evidence to expose you as one and the same person.

TAO12:
Dont mind that boy. He is just "dump".

TAO12:
Now, youve just pushed me.

Comment to be modified in a while.

TAO12:
If you push me to the edge, I will present even more damaging evidence to expose you as one and the same person.

macof:
This was your comment


And I gave you two scholars who have written extensively on it

Small pikin still dey do you.

TAO12:
Lagos has had contact with the Portuguese as early as the 1400s when it was named Lago de Curamo. Just putting that out there.

Moreover, I am not aware of any 1603 account which says that Lagos was violently infiltrated and captured for royal conquest by the Binis. Which when and what does it say?

Furthermore, I am not aware of any 1603 account which says that an Edo man was imposed by Benin as king of Lagos.

TAO12:
Lagos has had contact with the Portuguese as early as the 1400s when it was named Lago de Curamo. Just putting that out there.

Moreover, I am not aware of any 1603 account which says that Lagos was violently infiltrated and captured for royal conquest by the Binis. Which when and what does it say?

Furthermore, I am not aware of any 1603 account which says that an Edo man was imposed by Benin as king of Lagos.

TAO12:
You will cry blood on this one.

I'm glad you later agreed that he should be pitied for being stuck on this one.

Your application for Lagos indigenship has been torn to pieces. I am set to even burn the pieces.

Lagosian wanna-bes.

sesan85:
From Usen Development Foundation website: The People Of ODE AWURE
(USEN)
"Usenland originated as a farmstead about the tenth
century A.D. It was founded by some indigenes of
Ile-Ife, who migrated to settle on the well-drained
and fertile plain of the present Odomukpe quarters
of the town. The leader of these first settlers was
called Oyebo. He was a farmer and a famous
hunter who was very eager to kill any game in the
gigantic forest where he settled. Tradition has it
that during one of his expeditions he discovered a
stream which he named ERI-ODE (the hunter’s
stream) the stream is now commonly called
EREDE. The stream was later believed to have
some mystical powers. It was accordingly deified.
Erede is one of the most revered deities that are
worshipped by the people of Usen.
Oyebo was an elegant man, he was hardworking,
respectful, honest, and courageous. He had strong
affinity with Ile-Ife which made him to visit Ile-Ife
frequently and to persuade his co-settlers to
adhere strictly to the culture of Ile-Ife. The
prosperity, comfort and peace which he radiated
whenever he visited Ile-Ife attracted more indigenes
of Ife to the “new foundland”. The place expanded
and Oyebo and his co-settlers regarded it as an
extension of Ile-Ife and named it Ufe-kekere (Little
Ife).
He went to request the Olofen (Ooni of Ife) to send
one of his sons to rule over the settlement so as
to enhance its status among other settlements. It
was the practice in those days for Princes of Ife to
be sent out to rule in other settlements. The Ooni
obliged and gave the necessary regalia and staff of
office to one of his sons to become the traditional
ruler of the settlement. The new traditional ruler
took the title ALADIN.
On arrival at the settlement, he decided to change
the name “Ufe-Kekere” so that it would not conflict
with Ile-Ife his ancestral home. He considered the
place as a land of fortune and named it “Ode
Awure”. His royal highnessAladin thus became the
first OluAwure of Ode Awure. The current OluAwure,
His Majesty,OluOgbe II, is the thirty third (33rd)
OluAwure of OdeAwure (Usenland)."

This is from the Usen people themselves telling you their own origin. You Bini revisionists should stop being shameless for once. Geez!

MetaPhysical:
Why e be say na only your phone does it?

babtoundey:
All phones.. You're an irredeemable liar. Kuku say your phone does it.

babtoundey:
Funny enough, your Gregboy moniker could not differentiate between "dumb" and "dump" and he repeatedly write "dump" instead of dumb. One would expect Edoyoung, a different entity, different person to be able to note the difference. But no. He too writes "dump" for "dumb".

What more evidence do I need to confirm Edoyoung is Gregboy and gregboy is Edoyoung?

Baba, you are the dumPEST to think people are dumb enough to buy into your deceit.

macof:
LOL Suzanne Blier, Omotosho Eluyemi just to mention two
You are still a small boy in this matter. Keep reading sha
God help you

AreaFada2:
Oh boy, even the Benin national/ war flag nor be here o. Blood red flag with a man beheading another. Those dope ancestors were truly scary.

If not, fighting off Jihadists in Edo North in 1515/1516 period for nor easy o. Those who embrace death for 72 virgins.

Na so Benin General Ezomo comot Deji Arakale of Akure head with one cut in 1818. The Deji go do yanga kill Osague, Oba's envoy bring his instrument of inferiority (confirming Deji as a subordinate) from Oba's palace.

Not easy o.

macof:
LOL you're not a bad person. You just don't know much

The ekaladaran story is not taken seriously by anyone outside Bini.. Almost half of Bini call it false especially the Ogiamien family
To top it all off, no traditional relic supports this narrative

So it doesn't matter if you support the oba or not

AreaFada2:
What if I an Exco member of that same coven?

Hahahahha! Evil laughter like Mama G/ Susu.
Gregyboy
Ghostwon
Valirex

Etinosa1234:
Asin...The first question we suppose dey ask them Na... WERE THEY THERE

TAO11:
For (1), refer to my detailed reply to you (which you've been avoiding) on the political alliance with Benin Kingdom which Asheru initiated in the course of the Lagos succession tussle between him and the other Awori prince-candidates for the details of these circumstances.

This may be found, for example, in point number (6ii) in of an earlier refutation comment to you



Also, For (2), refer to the same detailed reply to you (which you've been avoiding) on the political alliance with Benin Kingdom which Asheru initiated in the course of the Lagos succession tussle between him and the other Awori prince-candidates for the details of these circumstances.

This may also be found, for example, in point number (6ii) in of an earlier refutation comment to you



Similarly for (3), refer again to the same detailed reply to you (which you've been avoiding) on the political alliance with Benin Kingdom which Asheru initiated in the course of the Lagos succession tussle between him and the other Awori prince-candidates for the details of these circumstances.

This may also be found, for example, in point number (6ii) in of an earlier refutation comment to you


(4) In the light of the fact that Lagos kings trace their ancestry to Benin (through King Ado's Benin mother), and to Lagos itself (through King Ado's Yoruba father -- Ashipa); Lagos and Benin then developed the custom of burying Lagos' kings' "bodies" in Benin, but their "heads" were buried on the soil of their paternal home land -- Lagos.

Refer to R. Smith's "The Lagos Consulate, 1851 - 1861" on page 6 (which is interestingly the same attachment you've attached) where he writes as follows:

"Instead, the connection with Benin was recognized in the customs of taking the body of a dead king (after severing the head) to Benin for burial".

This ancient custom of retaining the heads is clearly reminiscent of the Yoruba saying that "ori ade kii sun ita" which simply translates to: "the crowned-head is never laid to rest in a foreign land".

This again proves the Lagos account which rightly identifies Ashipa as Yoruba (and thus disproving the Benin account of a supposed conquest leading to the supposed installing of an Edo man as king).

This becomes even clearer if one relates this to a similar Bini custom (documented by Chief Egharevba from his Bini informants) that Benin kings have their heads severed and taken to Ife (their ancestral paternal home) for burial, and their bodies buried in Benin.

As has been shown, your attachment at no point alludes to any report of a royal conquest, rather it indicates -- from the burial custom -- that the Lagos account which identifies Ashipa (the progenitor) as Awori, is astonishingly accurate.

The obvious influence of the Benin government which this attachment shows has already been explained repeatedly by the political pact between Lagos and Benin Kingdom which was initiated by Ashipa. Refer again to my point number (6ii) in one of my foregoing comments which you fled.

macof:
LOL.
I wouldn't stress myself teaching you something as basic as Idu
You should be ashamed of yourself as a Bini who doesn't know of Idu
Before you come to online platforms to act like you are a proud edo defender, know about what you are defending

TAO11:
Yes, the Benn account talks of conquest.

The Lagos account contradicts it.

The Lagos account agrees more with the historical realities and European accounts.

Sir Allan Burns writing in c.1920 also confirmed the Lagos account that the first king of the present dynasty is a Yoruba from Isheri.

TAO11:
Greetings to you from Oba Akiolu

TAO11:
Greetings to you from Oba Akiolu

sesan85:
Balderdash! The Elawure (Olu Awure) of Usen and the Usen people still bear Yoruba names despite having left Ife for today's Edo State hundreds of years ago. Akiolu is not Bini, stop deluding yourself.

Etinosa1234:
On this matter,akintoye is ur only authority and it was not corroborated by any European who were present around that period. low self-esteem now makes u say that Josua account corroborates the Lagos account(u are so druuuunnnk).. I know u lack understanding so I'll quote the Benin account for u one more time
Egharevba said" the oba set a A WAR CAMP in Lagos to extend his control over the area... Hope ur brain gets this
Then in the same page 73( that shame didn't allow you to post).. it was said that there is an early corroborative account by Josua Ulsheimer who said Lagos was A MILITARY CAMP with soldiers of the Benin kingdom governed by by four generals

See definition of camp
A base of a military group

So does that in anywhere state that Benin pple had settled down b4 1603.. its only ur Brown roof historian that has made such claims that Benin settled prior to 1603

There is no proof anywhere that Benin had been dwelling in Lagos b4 1603. Ur only authority is an Akintoye who was born 300yrs later and documented only what he was told

For ur info.. Josua was a German serving in the Benin army and there is every possibility that if Benin was residing there prior 1603 he would have included it in his account...but he didn't Because it never happened...stop taking in Akintoye tales by moonlight..
Besides the other professors are useless in this topic because...they didn't witness it and would be relying on oral stories to create their history

Once again...I have established the fact that ur Maggi historian called Akintoye only wrote what was told to him by the elders of the village...and his story is not in any way backed by any evidence of Europeans present as at that time...

So as u can see I have squashed ur false talk that the Benin lived in Lagos prior to 1603 except u can prove it with evidence of Europeans living during that period

By the way are u able answer my yes or no question or u want the Benin to re-brainwash u again like we did ur forefathers(if ur claim that it was by political alliance has a 1% truth attached to it lmaoooi)

Gregyboy...we don reduce am to the extent that she now writes a 20 page essay of lies that no one understands and then declare herself winner out of low self-esteem... Yunno this must be hard to deal with especially when u remember the fact that her forefathers were easily brainwashed by the Benin to be paying tributes and also give the Benin undisputed right to dictate who becomes the next oba....

Omo those Awori nor Smart at all my guy!!!!

TAO11:
Edoid is what I wrote. I anticipated your dumbness because I think many, many steps ahead of you obviously.

So the challenge is still there for you to meet below:

Which of the following is Edoid:?

Rilwan, Aremu, Osuolale, or Akiolu. 

macof:
The deity in question is not peculiar to Yoruba. You find the same element of creation of the world symbolically representing founding of a great settlement or great era
So history inspires the myth


Umueri Igbos say Eri descended from the sky to create land and his children populated the world
Edo say same of Idu.
Yoruba same of Oduduwa

So when you think to attack Yoruba for such tradition don't forget to attack everyone that has the same tradition

Infact best you don't attack anyone at all because you just don't comprehend anything

TAO11:
At leat they have Edoid names!

Since you seem to be willing to, can you then point out which of the following is Edoid?

Rilwan, Aremu, Osuolale, or Akiolu.

cc: sesan85

sesan85:
Akiolu never granted that spurious, ahistorical interview claiming Awori people were Bini. I read this same fraudulent article when it came out. It was some dubious Benin revisionists who put those words into his mouth to give their codeine-influenced ahistorical horseshit a modicum of credibility. Try harder.

sesan85:
You mean Oba Rilwan Aremu Osuolale Akiolu identifies as Benin? Then how come he has no Benin name? Lol. So, can you show me any link where Akiolu identifies as Benin? I'll wait.

TAO11:
If running away from me (and from my refutation of all his comment without any exception) means the same as that, then yes.