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MetaPhysical:
Respond logically to what Tao said.

You said only those on coast have Olokun. You mentioned Itsekiri.

Tao said Itsekiri taught you about Olokun.

Dont dodge.....give a logical response and forget about emoji for now.

How did Edo originate Olokun, a foreign deity?

Mraphel:
Oronmiyan was not Oduduwa's son...he was Oduduwa's great grandson.

TAO12:
(1) Is this the best you can do to defend Benin Kingdom from collapsing.

(2) Anyways, I am awaiting your defence for your lie that Oba controls the sea in Edo religion or spirituality

[See 1st attachment].

(3) Also, I am waiting for your proof that Olokun has a goddess aspect in Edo religion/spirituality.

[See 2nd attachment]

"Olo" means goddess /s . LMAO.

TAO12:
(1) That's another bold lie. In Benin religion the Oba does not control the sea.

In Edo spirituality, the Oba's control is strictly limited to land. While, Olokun controls the sea.

[See 1st attacment below from an academic journal article which you yourself attached above]. #Exposed.


(2) Yes, I already admitted that the Yorubas introduced "Olokun" to the Edos so that they can worship it and keep fond memories of it.


(3) Address your lie that "Olo" (in Olokun) means "Goddess" in Edo language; when, in fact, your own source states clearly that Olokun is a MALEdeity in Edo spirituality.

[See 2nd attachment below from your an academic journal article which you trust.]

#Exposed

TAO12:
(1) That's why the Istsekiris (Yorubas) introduced it to you. And that's why you have no name for it

(2) What do you mean by control? And when did such control begin?

(3) Yes, I agree that the Itsekiris introduced it to you so you can worship it and keep memories of it.

TheGodlessGod:
You are probably the most stupidest person on nairaland

TAO12:
Hahahaha!

"Olo" means "goddess" in Edo.

And

"Okun" means "sea" in Edo.

ROTFLMAO

Benin has been crushed to pieces, so I understand that it needs the help of deranged liars.

Your brothers will hate you for this. RammessesIV come and see something oo.

TAO12:
By indigenous do you mean you ancestors inventend it, or you mean it's been introduced to your ancestors from a very early beginning.

Are you your ancestors invented this deity and then gave it a Yoruba name (instead of an Edo name)??

TAO12:
A deity which you have absolutely no name for in your native tongue was certainly imposed on you by others -- 100%.

"Olokun" was introduced to the Edo people by your closest Yoruba neighbours -- The Itsekiris.

"Olokun" [from the Yoruba words "Olu-Okun" -- "Lord of the Sea"] is a Yoruba deity with a Yoruba name.

We also alternatively call it by the name: "Umale-Okun", or "Imale-Okun", or Umole-Okun, or "Imole-Okun"; meaning "Spirit of the Sea".

All these are pure Yoruba words. Stop attaching screenshots from Edo blogs and fraudulently passing them off as academic materials.

TAO12:
I refuse to accept that this is your best to save Benin Kingdom from me.

Etinosa1234:
gregyboy nor reply that her mention ooo..she nor get talk again

TAO12:
You're going in circles now perhaps because the issue here is bigger than you and your hero, Etinosa who has been beaten blue and black in this.

The idea that Lagos was conquered is an interpretation which, in fact, does not gel with the earliest known eyewitness report (Ulsheimer, 1603), nor with the generally well-known historical realities of the then Lagos.

The account of Ulsheimer (1603) indicates clearly that what has been often widely interpreted as a conquest of Lagos by the Binis is in fact a misinterepretation.

On the contrary, the report indicates that the Binis must have settled in Lagos pre-1603 -- that is , prior to the conflict alluded to in that report -- and as such the conflict it talks about can not possibly be an imperial attempt to settle in Lagos to take it.

Moreover, the historical fact of the early begginings of European trade on the coast of Lagos (pre-1600) is an obvious corroboration to the beginnings of Benin's presence (an active participant in the coastal trade) in the region pre-1600. This is true for many other immigrant groups too apart from Benin.

The foregoing consideration of these two facts (i.e. the report of Ulsheimer(1603) and the early beginnings of European trade in Lagos) supports the aspect of the Lagos traditional account (and not the Benin traditional account) which holds that the settling in of the Binis et al. in Lagos [pre-1600s] was via a peaceful infiltration -- i.e. trade.

This same consideration also supports another aspect of the Lagos traditional account which holds that the [post-1600] conflicts in Lagos [one of which Ulsheimer(1603) talks about] relates simply to trade-induced violence long, long after all immigrant groups had in peacefully for trade purposes.

Refer to the attached for details on this.

Furthermore, while there is also nothing in Ulsheimer's(1603) report to even suggest that the first king of Lagos is a Bini (as the Bini traditional account holds); inguistic clues ("Ashipa" ) indicate that the first king of Lagos is of Yoruba descent. Moreover, an independent 1920s non-Yoruba and non-Bini account also confirms this about Ashipa being a Yoruba royalty from Isheri.

In addition to these, the custom of burying the kings' heads in Lagos and their remaining body in Benin although suggests connection with Benin (i.e. a maternal and a political connection as I have once shown), it does indeed confirm Lagos to be the paternal homeland of Lagos kings.

And the Benin traditional account finally finds its way to the dustbin.

cc: RuggedSniper, MetaPhysical, lawani, gomojam, babtoundey, Moneywomen17, sesan85

Juliusmalema:
Still don't get the message.

Juliusmalema:
All these evidence points to the fact that Benin are yorubas.

So much historical ties that is very difficult to untie.

Eileene:
Destiny in Edo language is "ehi"

while laugh or smile is "gie"

Etinosa1234:
Robert Smith openly said Egharevba account is earlier corroborated by Josua Ulsheimer...but one emotional Awori 400 yrs later is still saying that Akintoye report is backed by Josua...

Those pictures I put up there have already shown the fraud that u are...So I don't have anything to say to u except u have solid proof I mean European eyewitness not ur Maggi historian
https://https-www-nairaland-com.0/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity-olokun/22?iorg_service_id_internal=1646953538912597%3BAfpO0sNZfVFSuWT9#90647919


Admit it...u've lost the argument and u are only looking for a comeback ...

By the way...u must be my grandmother's incarnate..cos she tells good folktale stories

TAO12:
Finally, you couldn't muster a come back! Interesting!!

I know it's a difficult one seeing your child-hood indoctrinations fall apart like a pack of cards before your own very eyes.

The very comment you 'cancelled out' (due to your admitted incapacitation) contains the very answers, clarifications, and refutations, to your attachments.

Good news is, it is already out there on the interent just as the several greatly detailed ones that I have writting before it on this same thread.

Your lines over it is ineffectual in preventing the people from reading the actual comment and then realizing the falsehood of oft-repeated Benin propaganda.

But anything that helps you sleep at night though.

Finally, when are you going to reply the several other that you fled completely from without uttering any word (sensible or not)??

Etinosa1234:
Incase u were unable to read it all..this is Tao emotions why writing this essay

TAO12:
First of all, your silence in response to my refutation of your position (of a supposed 'conquest' of Lagos, and of Ashipa's supposed Bini indigenship) is interestingly deafening.

You appear to have either ran out of means to spin my analysis, or you've conceded to have been unfortunately long-misled into ingesting a mis-interpretation of history, hook, line and sinker without hesitation and scrutiny.

In any case, it is my pleasure to have helped you eventually outgrow the childhood indoctrination force-fed to you along the lines that the Binis settled in Lagos via some conquest that established an Edo dynasty there.

Having said that, I should add some word of light to the self-inflicted delusions that you've been lately clouded with in relation to the remittances to Benin, etc. which resulted from the alliance -- with the foreign (Benin) government -- initiated by the Isheri prince and to-be-founder of the new Lagos dynasty, Ashipa.

It is important that I make it clear that the context of your use of the word "brainwashed" is not only farfetched but also pain-induced.

To brainwash another party is to have initiated some "mischief".

In the light of this consideration and in the light of your pettiness, it will appear then that Ashipa brainwashed the Benin government (and not the other way round), as there is not a single account which speaks of the Benin government initiating the alliance with him.

However, the reality is that there is in fact no "mischief" from either side of the alliance -- the Lagos side or the Benin side -- except the one in your poor little mind. Lol.

Ashipa -- a contending Awori prince (and his party) -- allied with Benin government for support at the outset of the 'Lagos' succession tussle. Other eligible Awori princes must have also sought similar supports from elsewhere.

The Ashipa alliance obviously emerged triumphant over the other(s). Naturally, such alliances and supports obviously do not come without treaties of commitments from the parties involved.

One of such commitments is evident in the fact that annual remittances were made to the Benin government. Another is evident in the fact that the newly formed Lagos dynasty did not have the need for its own home-grown standing military in the course of its history.

As opposed to the imagery you are desperate to portray, such ties that continued between the Lagos dynasty and the Benin government was, rather than a parasitic relationship, reminiscent of symbiosis & diplomacy as well as maternal ancestry.

I hope I have been able to finally absolve you from the shackles and dungeon of Igodomigodo. But in any case, the aplication your submitted before me for Lagos indigenship has been torn, crushed, burnt and trashed.

cc: RuggedSniper, MetaPhysical, lawani, gomojam, babtoundey, Moneywomen17, sesan85

BabaRamota1980:
Yoruba people, becareful with Edo. They are wicked. You have conquered and ruled them for centuries so they are very bitter. Be careful. Ok if you dont believe me just read this. They are witches.

babtoundey:
Which ancestors? The same ancestors you're ashamed of and curse daily in your dreams for selling you cheap for political gains.

You are always an inconsistent braggart. What happens to shiny Seki, red and all those beautiful nonsense you ascribed to the meaning of Oba in Edo. I will love to see you sweating like a he-goat trying to overcome the threat of slaughtering when you're asked to give a simple, straightforward analysis of "oba" in Edo. That's when you will throw in your shinning Seki and it's red nonsense

Simply dumP

babtoundey:
The guy is a lost course. Seriously, he is. You can see him showing me Edeyoung viewing the thread with Gregboy after he had borrowed his daddy's phone to log in his other moniker. What manner of stupidity can beat that!

He introduces his Edeyoung moniker to redeem his soiled image on Nairaland and make stupid u-turn whenever he losts roads. There was a time Gregboy admitted oba does not mean in king Edo that it means one shinning nonsense. When you lashed him to the extent that he realized his undoings he started shouting oba means king with Edoyoung moniker.

The guy is simply dumP

TAO12:
Just as Ekeladerhan, Eweka, Ewure, et al.

Who witnessed them?

macof:
You said no author mentions oduduwa and ife

I mentioned two

Anything else you have to say is null and void

Receive sense

macof:
You are real mumu
You said no author (I'm sure you meant scholar, cus an author can be anybody)
You said no author talks about Oduduwa's existence and the unification of Ife

I mentioned two. And you say your screenshot says otherwise
Bloody mofo, I just mentioned two scholars that talk about Oduduwa and Ife during his era

That there already renders your claim null and void
Jeez.. So dumb

Mraphel:
Why won't Oranmiyan existed? He was famous that he and his emissaries won the war from ife to Benin land.

He founded many towns Benin inclusive.

TAO12:
Hahaha!

TAO12:
Now, you've just pushed me. >: Lol.

(1) The following link relates to a thread you [as "gregyboy"] created on May 18 at 6:38 PM

https://www.nairaland.com/5866543/identify-benin-greetings-here#89693577

[See also 1st attached screenshots for evidence that you created this thread].

(2) As expected, your second moniker ["Edeyoung"] was not cc:ied because at that time you were still acting naturally, as there was no need to copy yourself.

[See 1st attached screenshot for evidence for this].

(3) (i) The thread was meant to be an invitation [from "gregyboy"] to all Edos/Binis to identify their native dialectal Edo forms of greeting.

(ii) You [as "gregyboy"] identified your native dialectal form of greeting.

[See 1st attached screenshot for evidence of this].

(iii) In fact, other Edos/Binis who commented on the thread all follwed suit and identified thier own native dialectal forms too -- except for one Edo/Bini monker who commented but didn't identify[/b]. Lol.

(v) This Edo/Bini account (who failed to identify) goes by the moniker "Edeyoung".

[See 2nd attached screenshot for this].

Could it be that Edeyoung didn't really pay attention to see the topic of the thread?? Lol.

Well, the context of his comment doesn't seem to support this suggestion.

[See 2nd attached screenshot for this].


(vi) Oh wait a minute!

Could it be that the person behind "Edeyoung" has already identified his native greeting under a different moniker ["gregyboy"], and was simply unintentionally submitting to natural psychological inclinations??

(vii) As at now, Edeyoung's comment is the only comment on that thread from that moniker.

It is also the last comment on that thread.

[See 2nd attached screenshot for this].

(viii) Let's hope that after reading this, you will go back to that thread and make up some random native dialectal Edo greeting for Edeyoung.

Cheers!

valirex:
Bro she no fit miss me we don break up