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The historian who first came out with such a fallcious statement was our very own benin historian with the name Dr egharevba who had several imaginative writeups in his earliest historical works of friction, at this time the edo people was still in the western region. he wrote against the benin people to promote his carrer in the western region the benin people had found themselves although is father was a benin man his mom too was a yoruba woman from ondo state, he wrote with no authority and was not even close to the palace, his works lack referencing other than just selfish intrest his later works were he corrected most of this notion, was not made circular by the yorubas that took his baseless works serious never the less frank willet a french historian did an excavation on the very orun oba ado site in 1969 hoping to find some truth in what yoruba belive to be an historical site, all nine site the excavation took place in nothing happened to be have found in them ascertain to the earliest work of dr
Egharevba as works of friction


Refuting
https://www.nairaland.com/7924393/oba-benin-went-ile-ife

ecolime:
"The Benin empire consist of lagos, ondo, ekiti, delta and Co...."




This guy is definitely on Kolos

Qoute me directly don't be scared repeat what you said

The historian who first came out with such a fallcious statement was our very own benin historian with the name Dr egharevba who had several imaginative writeups in his earliest historical works of friction, at this time the edo people was still in the western region. he wrote against the benin people to promote his carrer in the western region the benin people had found themselves although is father was a benin man his mom too was a yoruba woman from ondo state, he wrote with no authority and was not even close to the palace, his works lack referencing other than just selfish intrest his later works were he corrected most of this notion, was not made circular by the yorubas that took his baseless works serious never the less frank willet a french historian did an excavation on the very orun oba ado site in 1969 hoping to find some truth in what yoruba belive to be an historical site, all nine site the excavation took place in nothing happened to be have found in them ascertain to the earliest work of dr
Egharevba as works of friction

Mraphel:
It is not that Benin must be Yoruba it is the Monarchy of Benin and their chiefs that is Yoruba. The settings of the Omo N'oba of Benin is typical of any Yoruba town. Each time you mention Benin know for the fact you're mentioning Yoruba to me. If you mention Ogiso, Ijaw, Esan, Iduland, Igodomigodo, Urobo and Igbo (Aborigines of Edo) I will know you're not making reference to Yoruba).
There's no ego about it. Edo palace knows that Ife established Obaship in Ile-ibinu.
Itsekiris and other Delta tribes will tell the true Benin history very soon if you people doesn't want tell the truth.

Evidence eeeh..

No evidence move....

The setting of oba of Benin is yoruba name the setting

Na by force you won turn our oba to yoruba man

Mraphel:
I didn't read d screenshot it was too tiny for me. But have told you anytime you're mentioning Benin you have mentioned Yoruba same anytime you Mentioned Useh you have Mentioned Yoruba.

The question I am asking you is Are you Igodomigodo or from Ogiso?

Because Before Oranmiyan, Oba and Benin kingdom. it was Esan, Urobo, Ijaw, Igodomigodo and Igbo ruling Edo state as Ogiso there was no Bini town and Bini tribe then.

You can download and expand it

Read it so it will kill the little ego you think you have don't be afraid read it,

Speaking of igodomigodo did you read my writeup all you're just hell bent on making sure Benin must be yoruba by force

I threw a question at the ending I will give you another one to add to it.

How come throughout history the Europeans that took and noted every Benin war and culture ever notice when the oba of Benin was carrying the heads of the previous oba to Ife
But notice how Benin dominate the ebtirw yoruba people


Lastly provide me any historical evidence that date back 1897 to 1914 that support any firm of Benin and Ife relationship

If you can't then you're simply wanting to force Benin as yoruba to massage the yoruba ego

Mraphel:
Gregyboy. I am sure you have never been to Lagos in your entire life. Where your Ogiso of Benin claimed he founded in Lagos is not upto 3%, of Lagos.

Do you know Lagos is a state? Ikeja the capital city and d most important places has no trace to Benin.

Give kudos to the Yoruba that founded up to 20 towns in Edo state. Anytime you're using the word "Benin" have it at the back of your mind you're using a Yoruba word. Even if you used it has your tribe.

Haha.. You are not new here when we beat tao11 out of nairaland u saw all of it as it unfolded yet you still come at me with thesame lies I have scrunitize
And renderd useless over the years, the most painful part is that you saw it unfolded why you still dare to challenge me with the same old lies baffles me

I will engage you because you're not a youngster here so I will let it slide


Please read and digest those writeup in the screenshot I sent ... Benin influence was not pronounce in most place in lagos apart from lagos island which was the sit of power this does not mean ikeja and it's environs was not under the Benin command, mind you it was only 3 general that was stationed in lagos after it was brought down by the Benins, so don't expect 3 people to influence the entire landmass of the present lagos state


The third screenshot shows that the entire yoruba and the ijebu people was influence and feared by the oba of Benin command

As we may have it Benin wasn't organised or a powerful kingdom in the early times, in the beginning they were several villages who had Thier various leaders called ogiso they were several ogiso( sky kings) in the various settlement of Benin. at this time Benin was not one, the various settlement with their own ogiso existed independently. there were no one ruler, until a man called evian, killed a spiritual beast that had been disturbing the various villages surrounding Benin. which the various Ogiso heads couldn't handle and he found favour in the Benin community and the villagers came together to make him the oba of igodo. he ascended the throne as eweka the first
He was blessed with mystical powers and the people likened him as the son of a God, the Ogiso who refused to surrender their sovereignty where forced and the kingdom was formed, this several ogiso heads became chiefs in the new kingdom called ogidomigofo
Which later renamed as edo during oba ewaure reign and turned Benin during the Portuguese arrival who had corrupted Ile binu from the itsekiri warnings that had earlier told them not to venture into Benin City during their arrival and inquisition about the edo people
Years after eweka had died his son expanded the kingdom further Benin on several occasion
Lost some villages under the kingdom that had to be brought back through force, the king of the sea (ogiamen) was a powerful ruler who had ruled the river banks of Benin is territory was independent of Benin even when the Benin kingdom was long establish, oba ewakpe who was a conquerer had waged war on his kingdom that lasted for years but his kingdom was too strong to be defeated lots of lives was lost until an agreement was reached by the ogiamen that Benin would one day take over his territory which was a sure thing, because Benin was flourishing and expanding unlike his territory and that if they have to join Benin that the oba of Benin would respect is terms,and that every oba that ascends the throne would always come and buy his sovereignty from his family at every coronation in terms of paying homage and that if the contract is broken they can choose to live the kingdom, this practice continued for centuries until after Benin empire was brought down by the British and that tradition was stopped by the oba, the only way the ogiame family could use to attack the oba was by false acclimation Of his illegitimacy

Just the way the yoruba were brought into one canopy by awolowo during the formation of Nigeria so as evian who became the first oba of Benin united the kingdom

The Benin kingdom consist of the 36 Benin families

The Benin empire consist of lagos, ondo, ekiti, delta and Co....

The yorubas and other tribes that have issues with the oba of Benin would always use the screenshot to support their claims that the oba of Benin is a yoruba man, not until you ask them, if there is any trace of yoruba titles or names or even idols in the oba palace that can trace that the oba of Benin is a yoruba man, then they will be left dumbfounded

Basic123:
You can start by the founders of all town in Igbo land.
Nobody will argue with you on that

You think am an Igbo man take your rant elsewhere

Iamgrey5:
Bring the source of ijebu and the entirety of Lagos!


You think this is Benin bear parlour gist.

First bring the source of the towns found by the 62 settlement of lagos


The Benin had influence over the ijebu people. And hence the name ijebu was coined by the Benin who refrence them to Europeans who had inquired about them
source - samuel Johnson, the history of yorubas

The ijebu was constantly raided as sacrificial slaves by the benimswho were constantly captured for sacrifice to the Benins God's and would be slaughtered and beheaded and the rest of their bodies dumped in the river
- samuel joshson
History of yorubas


The Benins formed areas like lekki and other edo related names found in lagos till date

Basic123:
So because England once controlled Nigeria they own and founded Nigeria.


I don't believe a whole benin tribe can be mumu sha

England found some settlement in Nigeria like port Harcourt and go organised Nigeria and gave places their names

Benin did thesame

Oshodi as a matter of fact is an edo name

Padipadi:
Booked to nuke any Benin or Igbo saying trash!

Benin controlled the entirety of lagos and Ijebu if you want to argir I will bring source you're just a small boy who is emotionally paralysized

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According to what the europeans documented from the oyo prople about ife in 1824, the oyo people referred to the ife people as strong idol worshipers unlike them, they saw the ife people as monks who were devoted to their idol worshipping and as such the oyo people revered and believed the ife people could be the centre of the world, for this single reason, it gave importance to ife town in the formation of yoruba history prior to amalgamation. There was no mention of the ooni in the documentation because as at that time they never knew if a person or title like that existed in the first place , awolowo was the one who made ooni of ife a king from a priest he was, according to the ife people the ooni was a mere priest who was a strong idol worshipper, then after amalgamation there was a need to unite all yoruba under one historical and political umbrella the history of oduduwa in ife becoming the father of all yoruba monarchy was born so as not to make any king a lesser king to the other they accepted direct migration
From Ife to their new found kingdoms, and made a priest who was the ooni the traditional head .the history of oduduwa coming from mecca is as a result of yoruba muslim trying to seize ownership to oduduwa and oduduwa coming from benin is a mere tribal war which started in the western region that made the bendel people pull out of the then wester region


The significant of the ife artworks before amalgamation, there was an international attention in 1910 when Leo Frobenius, a German ethnographer, discovered bronze in ife, this gave another reason among the yoruba tribes in accepting ife has a focal point in the formation of the new identity called yorubas, before the amalgamation of Nigeria in 1914, which has already saw the discovery of ife art in 1910

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Although there are still some Europeans who wrote the truth despite the widespread misconceptions about Benin, the benins did once take part in a gesture whereby they provided workers for the Portuguese in exchange for their good friendship to work as laborers in the Portuguese colony of Sao Tome and Principe. However, they only did this for the Portuguese and never for any other European country. the relationship between benin and Portuguese lasted for 200yrs from the 1400 to 1600, tho this gesture by the benins to the Portuguese never lasted that long before the benins ended it on the terms of morality the benins believed the souls of the people gifted without the people approval could bring bad omen to their land The Benins and the British had a rift not because the British intended to end slavery as they made us believe, the act already being a taboo in Benin, but rather to gain control of palm oil, and in 1700 Oba Adolo made a decree to officially punish Benin merchant who engaged in the act of slave trading illegal.
Before the arrival of the first Europeans, the Portuguese, the benins controlled a large area of territories. The Portuguese refused to sell benin weapons on the grounds that it was a pagan nation, so benin never gained power as a result of Europeans or her trade with Europe merchants. not until the arrival of the Dutch in the 1600 who were willingly to exchange guns with benins for Benin local goods like pepper, ivory tusk, clothes, local wine, although the benin employed the help of European military assistance against her enemies in few occasions, the benins were wealthy because they were economically independent even when the European decided to sanction benin trades they saw the benin weren't really affected the only way to stop benin was to attack it to get full control of the Niger area now called Nigeria

Samuk
AreaFada2
UGBE634

In the past before the creation of Nigeria, tribes were very territorial and migration could only happen in mass to gain strength to to be able to fight if they ventured into an unknown territory, if you ventured into a territory as a looner you're likely to be killed or taking captive by people who you ventured into their territory even Europeans wrote on this and requested the Oba of benin soldiers to access the hinterland in their exploration

The question is how did izoduwa venture as a looner from benin forest and passed several territores without him being caught....


And how did the yoruba people send their prince to rule benin with just few messengers who could easily be outnumbered by people from territories they came across with while coming to benin, if they sent an army how come the army presence wasn't felt in the benin palace, no names of yoruba chiefs, no name of bashorun balogun in the palace or benin history

My point still stand benin and ife never had a relationship and the forgery of oduduwa of an history in benin. Happened after 1914, when oba Eweka sort political alliance with the the ooni of ife during the indirect rule system of government, and the the history of oduduwa coming from Ife to benin history was formed to identify oba eweka11, of benin. as an oduduwa son, after some years in the western region benin sort out to leave the western region, because of tribal attack by yoruba leaders accusing edo people and oba of benin as not a true son of oduduwa that the Oba of benin couldn't speak yoruba, but yet he held second position after the ooni of ife, and when the benins finally pulled out of the region the story of izoduwa was born by the benins to write the forged history that was being promoted to insult the benin people and her monarchy



Samuk
AreaFada2
UGBE634

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It is wrong to call the Oba of benin just the word oba, very wrong oba is the short form the European used to describe his original title
Which is omo n' oba, omo n' oba on the other hand is also a short form the benin people use to refer to the omo n'oba of benin the full title
Is Omo n’Oba N’Edo Uku Akpolokpolo meaning
"The child that shines shines or come through for the edo people and the giant being"
If you hear anyone using the title oba of benin always know it is wrong and inappropriate and was a short form the European used to describe the Oba in their document the short form reconginse by the edos is omo n' oba which can be pronounced as omo no' ba
Further more the yorubas are using the wrong title to describe themselves and their kings this is quiet understanding because the word oba is alien to the yorubas

OGIE
Ogie has many prefix from different edoid clan, ogie is a general word for kingship regardless of the position be it enogie, onogie, Ovie, ogie could be liking to the word Government regardless of the position be it a governor, president or a local government chairman, we can say an ogie is coming and could be refering to an enogie who is a Duke and we can also say an ogie is coming, and we could be refering to the omo n'oba of benin when we say ogie we mean royalty which are dukes, kings prince just like the word government

OBA
Oba like I said is the short form used by Europeans to refer to the omo n'oba of benin
No one in the entire kingdom or empire bears the title, the names in benin who has prefix with the word oba, like obaseki, obasohan were personal confered titles made by the Oba of benin to honor the person, it is forbidden to use the word oba without being confered by the Oba in the entire empire and this is the reason you cannot find the word oba as a prefix name in the entire empire but rather ogie which could be liking to the word government or royalty

UGBE634
AreaFada2
Samuk
Davidnaze

christistruth01:
Tao11 you are being missed

Happy New year

Hope everything is ok

He/she ran out of lies or probably accepted the truth

And they killed Deborah for even a smaller crime


Why are we sharing same country with this aboki self

Omo e should better keep the dread, he looks like a criminal from the creeks after the haircut

Eblike na former armed robber give am d cut

laiperi:
Sorry, that was s computer auto correct.

Tell us where you are from.

Certainly not from any Royal House IN Edo

Everyone is from a royal house in benin no family you won't visit that was a never in the royal lineage now or before now

englishmart:
If the kitchen is too hot, leave. This thread isn't for simpsons. Go and bury your head in a pus.sy.

I love pussy I pay to Bleep it, because it's not expensive broke niggas make it look like pussy takes their life savings away....

I can spend 100k on myself within 2 days, and what I will spending for all my chicks within a month won't be upto 15k.... Tell, me why should I be complaining of debit alert from the opposite gender

I prefer a society were I pay the bills and I command respect from who I pay the bills for

If you alpha males want a society were you split bills go to europe, then you will know all that glitters is not gold

Alpha mail abi alpha male😒 una need carry una agender to something meaningful

Alpha mail keeps disturbing nairaland and her peace the topics they create are like that of a 16yr old

How much woman won chop for una hand 2k5

And how much do you guys spend a day if you all alpha male wants a society were the women provide for themselves go to europe

That's were the alpha male shit began

macof:
I'm sure the man is intelligent enough to understand the concept of data collection from vast sources.
Ogiamien, Oba Palace, Usen, Ife, older Benin accounts as recorded by Europeans etc

That is after all how history is done properly

Lets not go far, oduduwa was a female first, the history of oromiyan written by Samuel j the originator said he ventured into nupe areas to war....



Samuel Johnson brought the ife, and oduduwa fairy tale into lime Light in 1897 with his book