samuk: I can see you are really having a tough time with the Thebadpolitician
The truth is you are the very few on this forum that still believe that the Oba migrated from somewhere. Most of us on this forum have gone beyond this, we are now trying to sort out the confusion that came into Benin history after 1897. There is nothing presented so far to support the oba coming from Ife. Ife doesn't necessarily mean Uhe.
I recently saw the video where Imaseun Izoduwa disgraced with the Esogban on the Ife story, mind you Izoduwa is also very close to foremost Benin historians and palace chiefs.
Anyone that will be taken seriously on Benin history will have to produce documents on Benin history dating from 1896 and backward to the 1400s to back up what they are saying.
It should worry you that Benin history from 1400s to late 1800s, a period of over 400 hundred years doesn't mention Ife. The Catholic Church actually had a mission and resident missionaries on Benin city that documented various aspects of Benin history.
Even the popular tao11 has seen the light on the false history
samuk: I can see you are really having a tough time with the Thebadpolitician
The truth is you are the very few on this forum that still believe that the Oba migrated from somewhere. Most of us on this forum have gone beyond this, we are now trying to sort out the confusion that came into Benin history after 1897. There is nothing presented so far to support the oba coming from Ife. Ife doesn't necessarily mean Uhe.
I recently saw the video where Imaseun Izoduwa disgraced with the Esogban on the Ife story, mind you Izoduwa is also very close to foremost Benin historians and palace chiefs.
Anyone that will be taken seriously on Benin history will have to produce documents on Benin history dating from 1896 and backward to the 1400s to back up what they are saying.
It should worry you that Benin history from 1400s to late 1800s, a period of over 400 hundred years doesn't mention Ife. The Catholic Church actually had a mission and resident missionaries on Benin city that documented various aspects of Benin history.
OKAIDUN: You cannot be a Uniben student and a graduate at the same time, you already expose your folly, you are gregyboy the Auchi student or graduate,you write like him, and worse still you directed me to your deadpost. Of all Binis here, gregyboy.
Delauhe means everything idiot, timestamp 09:57 -10-30, the Esogban made it clear where he came from
Some communities are homogeneous, and tend to greet alike. Usen is a family on its own, it is a small community, home and abroad should be about 60- 70 thousand, lesser than some families in Benin. The fact that they migrated together did not tell your 0 byte brain that they are a family
The people of Ehor aside their king also greet Alike. They greet Delaeho to show their homogeinity as a family. The people of Ehor also greet to show their village time stamp 9:45 to 9:55
I graduated before you were born, we are not mate, I meant it literally and otherwise.
Yea I am gregyboy and I will begin to reply you with my official account
Without diving deep
I would assume what you're saying or giving as an evidence to oduduwa existence is true and truly oduduwa came into benin through usen let's assume that we are agreeing to that
The above screenhot shows the usen greeting as Delaihe and not what you presume as deluhe, another example of falsely twisting history to suite tribal glorious narrative
The usen are agreeing that they were the ones That brought about the second dynasty Which they are simplying doing to spite the oba of benin for encroaching their lands and selling it off to buyers
Everybody who wants to spite the oba of benin Would always quote such unfound history to tackle his illegitimacy on the throne
I still don't believe the connection you're trying to draw with the usen origin, if truly the second dynasty came through the usen people there would have been a notable focal point or even be made the capital of benin city
Throughout the bini history both in ancient written document, usen as a place in benin holds no historical fit or acknowledgement but places like udo, uselu, ughoton holds great fit in benin history
This gives another difficulty to believe the second dynasty emerged from the usen people that is if it even existed
Logicisfree2: I have a precolonial book in which an european visitor to our shores was on his way to Jebu. The European refers to some Benin nobles with the title Obi, which he describes as basically a Duke title. I let dogmatic and clueless ignoramuses to continue their show of intellectual lazyness.
I love to read it please share reference or links
There is a bini book you share one time written in French i still need to read that book I lost it... The book was talking about some European who were traveling with bini soldiers and to the north please share if you still have it at your disposal
Igboid: Nope. You were never one with Western Igbos. The union between you and Western Igbos into [s]Bini empire was made possible by Portuguese firearms[/s] you acquired, while British firearms brought to an end of that ungodly union. That's your bitterness. Move on. You can't be one with a people you can't converse with except with the use of English language that the same British you begrudge brought to you. You should be looking towards Urhobo, Isoko, Epie-Etissa, Degema, etc. They are your real brothers, the Edoid language you all speak proves that. Move on.
Bini empire was made possible by Portuguese fire arm what!!
Please don't make or assume such thing again
They are scholars here in bini history
That is an historical fallacy from you, bini had an empire before the Portuguese came
The bini relationship with the Portuguese lasted for only 200yrs
Bini already had an empire before the arrival of the Portuguese or any European
The Portuguese deliberately didn't sell guns to the binis because they refuse to accept Christianity
Don't tell history out of your imagination if you have to do that atleast pick a book first before you disgrace yourself
samuk: It's been a while, I am glad you learnt something. These interventions is often necessary every now and then for the sake of our future generations. There are people whose goals are to rewrite Benin history. Unfortunately for them, there are enough materials on the archives from late 1400s to late 1800s ( about 400 years) to prevent their revisionists agenda, all we have to do is to research them and use them as evidences to counter their lies.
I was happy to see the screenshot when am financially bouyant enough i would sponser the publication of this old document to the public....
I don't know why the Palace refuse to do so
This is my dream retracing our history deviod fallacy and myth then we can find the missing link to untie the great edo people again
I had it posted on my status were both the igbos, and the edo and other tribe I have in my contact could see the truth
And igbo girl objected with a 1945 document I just laugh
AreaFada2: Samuk, the way history has been rewritten by those tribes that the British favoured after 1897 and benefitted initially from 1914 amalgamation and post-independence, is beginning to miseducate some Edo people. Say around 1986, if I greeted elderly people "Lamogun or La'Umogun", they will recite the "oriki", uwaenmwen or praise of Umogun descendants. I would have to politely wait for them to finish before proceeding on my merry way. My experience as a young chap. Edohen, Ero, Elawure, Ezomo and other descendants also have their oriki. A chap who greets Lamogun today might even get a reply in Pidgin English from the elder.
Kids today may not even know that there is something like oriki. Edo people brought up in Lagos are helping to spread the myth that Edo people come from Yoruba. That is how their "accommodating" hosts educated them.
For anyone to use languages or dialects spoken today in various districts of former Benin Empire to decide or conjure up what the origins or demographics of those areas were around 1440-1473 when Oba Ewuare I reigned, is an abysmal disservice to scholarship and common sense.
But at least the guy has enough fantasy and attempted to think, albeit being misguided.
This is so very true the bolded mostly the edo north people, an esan man or bini person will deny such claim as being yoruba i love the esan people for this
Funny thing is the edo north are more in lagos compare to any tribe in edo state due to their Muslim religion and as a result they become yorubanised, Unlike the edo south and edo central who are Christians and tend to remain more in their location I schooled in auchi poly back then I saw this first hand, an edo north man claiming we edos came from yoruba people I had so many provoked confrontation even with the elderly ones for such claims but an esan man will never make such statement
The edo North are over mixed with both edo yoruba and Northerners they don't even know their identity to them they are politically edo
SeamT: Well according to our history ogiso dynasty existed. Unless you have a concrete evidence to disprove it.
According to our
How many times have you picked an edo ancient document written by Europeans before the collapse of the benin empire to read and research on, and how i have read quiet a good number of those document many more to be read
Did you know that there were so many Europeans who left Europe to West Africa just to see benin and document the benin history
They are hundreds of such document that are yet to be transcribe to English up till date they are still in the native language of the Europeans who took the documen
They say if you want to hide truth from the African man put it in a book
I can't school you more than this visit my profile I made so many thread on it
Of you don't believe my thread then find the truth yourself by looking for old document to research on....
American said they visited the moon not until people descrited it by researching and saw that it was a lie
The oba said there was an ogiso not untill you research and you find the truth yourself the oba is human like us too he can twist history for any purpose and his subject will follow suit
Men tell lies or hide truth for self interest so no matter what only trust yourself with the truth by always digging up things
SeamT: On the contrary, after the fall of the Benin people to the Yoruba’s. superior Edoid speaking tribe migrated the then known Aka, because they refused to be enslaved. Urhobo was never an offshoot of Edo. They existed as on entity before the end of the ogiso dynasty.
There was never an ogiso dynasty it has always been obaship
There was never oduduwa he existed as an idol Samuel Johnson an oyo man brought oduduwa into existence with his pen in 1897 in a bid to unite the yoruba people under one umbrella
SeamT: Urhobo is not an Edo offspring. The urhobo nation is as old as the Edo tribe. Best description is they are brother tribes. Because they used to be one entity before the break.
Haha prove this or I will take you as joke l
Brother state is that what you guys tell yourself now not to feel inferior beside the bini people cheap lies don't help..
The urhobos are not brother state to edo
The urhobos are made of native urhobos people called the urhobo indigenes and heavy flow of benin people throughout the kingdom
PrinceMajestic: I didn't type "thank God my monarch is not there" my expression was "Thank God my Monarch is not among those ones who visited Benin for recognition from the Oba in old times" real kings don't seek recognition from other kings. I'm not a Benin man, I'm from the nearby state
Delta state I guess, am having mixed opinion on this but I won't say you're wrong but yet we can't really tell why he allowed them go
Bini people and the oba palace are the only one fighting for the return of their artworks
So sometimes if you need to play smart then you must first act as a fool
Is there any sort of evidence for this claim of yours?
Any evidence from the “Òró” people of “Kwara” where their oral traditions state that they are from “Delta”?
Of course there is no such thing, I’m only forcing you to wake up and see that you’re making stuffs up.
Cheers
Oduduwa is a mere mythical tales created by Samuel Johnson
Oduduwa existed as idol whom the ife people worship only Oyo helped in the promotion of the idol and Samuel Johnson who is an Oyo man did the mythical writeups
The Story Of Attah Ameh Oboni - the Nigerian King who Chose Suicide Instead of Bowing to the Queen of England.
Attah Ameh Oboni was a revered Igala King.
At a particular Meeting held in Kaduna which consisted of all paramount traditional rulers in Nigeria and which had the Queen of England in attendance, Attah Ameh was asked to remove his cap to greet the Queen of England as others had done.
Though he refused until they said he should leave the Meeting if he would not remove his cap. But Attah was not like others, or was he?
It was a taboo for Attah to remove his cap in the public. He grudgingly succumbed and removed his reverted Cap and immediately, the entire hall where they were staying was occupied by a swam of bees which emanated from the cap of Attah Ameh Oboni which he removed in order to greet the Queen.
The Queen of England as well as other Rulers in the meeting ran helter-skelter except the friendly Oba of Benin who was asked by Attah Ameh to go out before he removed his cap. The hall became empty as some were stung by the bees and the meeting ended.
According to history, Attah Ameh Oboni was asked to be arrested and handcuffed by the Queen's Guards, which they did, but the handcuffs fell off his hands.
He was later locked up in a room on the instruction of the Northern rulers and guarded by the security personnel but only to find out later by the Security personnels that he had left the room. Yes, when the security were taking him to be locked up, he told his driver, Amanabo (of blessed memory), to take the car and be going to Idah while the security locked him in the room.
He then warned Amanabo not to look back until he felt a cool breeze in the car. Though Amanabo argued a little that he cannot leave the Attah there but later obeyed and started driving back to Idah from Kaduna.
After some time, he felt the cool breeze in the car, and Attah Ameh was sitted inside the car.
The incident in the meeting made many traditional rulers which were mostly Northerners to be angry especially making other Kings run in such a manner because of bees.
This became one important sin and it was like “one sin too many”.
The Queen of Englnad was also not happy and they (the Queen and Northern leaders) started looking for a way to remove Attah Ameh from the throne since he was getting tougher and uncontrollable like others, as well as searching for an obedient replacement.
Igala has various cultural festivals, one of which is Ocho. Ocho is celebrated before farming starts, and it is the time that Attah Igala prays to God for sufficient rainfall, bountiful harvest, success in hunting. It is celebrated in the bush and the venue is called Ere-ocho, where the Attah will hunt until he kills a Buffalo or a strong animal. The community in Idah where Ocho takes place is called Ogo-Efa. He performs a little sacrifice to the ancestors using a fowl in the process, and this was to find out if there will blessings or problems in the land after the Ocho.
Before this time, the enemies at home (among the Igala people), especially those having connections with the leaders of the Northern Region, were working hard to get any evidence either true or false which can be used to remove him from the throne. The blood of the animal used as sacrifice at Ocho ground now became what the enemies would use against him.
Petition was written by these two Igala people to the Queen and some other Northern leaders that Attah Ameh was sacrificing humans during the Ocho festivals. Since they were looking for any means to displace him with, judgment was quickly passed that he must be dethroned, even when investigations were not yet concluded.
In addition, all the Igala cultural festivals including the Ocho were immediately banned and this remained for almost 63 years until Governor Yahaya Bello unbanned them based on the appeal of the present Attah Igala.
Already, before this time, the Oba of Benin who had such friction with the British had already been dethroned and banished from Benin. So, Attah Ameh Oboni knew that at that point, no matter what spiritual approach applied, it can only postpone the evil day as his enemies will never relent until he was removed by them.
The result of the blood sample which was taken from the Ocho venue and taken to University of Ibadan for analysis had arrived and it was proved that it was the blood of an animal and not human. Sadly, the revered King, Attah Ameh had passed on before the result was brought.
But Attah Ameh, being very sure that he was wrongly accused and framed up by his enemies, especially those from Igala who wrote the petition against him marking the beginning of his planned dethronement, made some pronouncements before his death.
He was allegedly quoted to have said that ” the person who wrote the petition against him would have that hand dried up, and that the leader of the gang or petitioners would be buried three times”. And they all came to pass.
While the hand dried as said, the other was buried as stated, first was the leg, second was his hand and the third was himself, all buried at various times at different locations.
In addition, as this information of his dethronement was given to him in a meeting from where he was supposed to go back to Idah and prepare to leave the throne, he stopped on the way in another Igala land called Dekina.
That was where he committed suicide.
Before taking his life, he was allegedly quoted to have said that the town, Dekina will be popular but its development will not be as much as its popularity.
He was also quoted to have said that because Igala was the genesis of his ordeal, there will be disunity among the Igala people until the reign of his own blood (son) as Attah, and all Igalas irrespective of their locations will be reunited again.
I think from the reconnection and reunification of Igala people across Nigeria and beyond which has been going on and still going on under the reign of his son, Agabaidu Idakwo Ameh Oboni II, the present Attah Igala, that pronouncement of reunification of Igala people is also coming through.
anochuko01: Same thing I was discussing with a friend yesterday and today.
Ladies now wear shirt as gown! They even wear so called biker short to occasions... Isn't that madness?
As a guy, I can't wear boxers outside my apartment, but that gender would wear cloths away from their homes and be using hand to cover themselves when they get outside.
Men are sexually harassed daily by women i blame we men we face them the right anytime Authority tries to regulate indecent dressing code we frown at it
Aguiyi1020: I will make it quick.... I and my ex dated in University, she disvirgined me when I was in my 200L while she was in her 100L. During my finals 400L she broke up with me in the most brutal and unremorseful and embarrassing way on the ground that I am not man enough and have nothing to show. To cut d long story short she got married after her finals to the man she was cheating on me with then. Now she has a baby girl for him and we had not chatted for over 2years not until late last month when I uploaded an Old picture I drew when I was in my 300L on my WhatsApp Status and she knows d picture knows d picture. It's d picture of a naked woman without a head standing and posing. When she saw it she commented on it for d first time after 2years I wanted to snub d comment but I replied and that was how we started chatting.... like it was Liquified Gas poured into open flames and BOOOM... Combustion.... We vibed like never before. But here is d problem she has started become heels over head for me and I feel it's not normal she has been calling morning afternoon and night. She tells me how she just married out of family pressure and as a woman, time was not on her side but she is still in mad love with me and all that. Now she is going very deep.... Talking about nasty things and sex talks.... Telling how if she by mistake gets pregnant for me even as she is married she said she will gladly keep it and thank God for it.... Na dere I fear. I sent her a message telling her am not ready for any emotional attachment.... Did I do wrong?
Fucking leave her alone nothing special she is still the useless lady she was the time she left you and she will do it again if u guys reunite
Like a guy said above she has been good all along because all other guys left her, currently you're d only nigga who happens to be engaging her
YommyOG: I work in a commercial bank as a full-time employee. My gf used to live here in Ib where I live too. She has recently been posted to Lagos State for her Youth Service. Sometime ago, she's asked me to help her work on a reversal. A few days later, I checked her account to see if funds have been reversed but I saw an inflow of #8,000 from her ex. I confronted her about it and her excuse was she was stranded and she couldn't ask me cos we weren't talking at the moment. I let it go. A week after, I instinctively snooped through her account again and saw another inflow of #10,000 from the same ex. This time, I sarcastically asked if she was stranded again. Could this mean they are back? Should I just move on?. She has called me broke to my face a couple of times (I'm in some debt I'm trying to pay off and currently going through other quarter-life crises). We've been together well over two years and half and I love her a lot.
I'll appreciate your responses and advise.
Warm Regards.
- Yomi
u and the ex dey manage one company naso i see am business partners
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