Ok. Just make your point one more time, please

@kobokunje

How can you compare the proper use of knives to an improper use of money?
You have inadvertently made buttressed my point. Each item should be reserved for its appropriate use. (Guns for hunting, Knive s for kitchen, and money for spending , and not spraying)

Or are you saying that the proper use of money is to spray it at parties?
Money is primarily and properly used to exchange for our needs and wants.
improper use of knives, and guns have been banned,
, Cigarretes will be banned once again. In the UK, its public use has already been banned.

How about this:

Spraying Naira Notes at parties is a habit that endangers the life of the sprayers, by causing undue envy by indigent bystanders, and may lead to anger, incense, and feelings of deprivation and oppression.

This eventually leads to loss of life or property.

The law is made to protect you from yourself, just like the ban of narcotics.

Kuns

Kuns:

Basically these cauasians now have us negroids worshipping their ancestors (images), be it Jesus, Abramham, Moses who we all think is so- called white.

Jesus, Abramham, Moses were not white. The bible never claimed them to be caucasian or ancestors to caucasians.

Kuns:

Why would God choose a name that when you spell it backwards would spell Dog, when he knows that there are people like the Hebrews and Muslims who read from right to left?

Hebrews and Muslims dont read english backward. God spelt backward in hebrew or Arabic language does not spell dog.

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Basically, Black africans are worshipping the image of the pale man (so-called white man) in the form of Zeus who is called Jesus. Who many think is the image of God.

How is Jesus the form of zeus?
Guy, Some of your statements are wildly far from reality.

I posed this thread because as many people will tell you, long before they became believers, they had already noticed they had certain gifts, like visions, dreams, and prophecy.
If this is true, then it means that perhaps God does speak through anyone he chooses.

@Dafidixone,
It is true that God caused the donkey to speak, rather than speaking His word through the donkey.
Now, if you saw a goat speaking today, would you contemplate accepting that it was of God?

@Kuns,

You use terms like Anunaqui, Overstand and Re-search.

Are you a Nuwaubian?

In our times, we are told to ‘test the spirit’, meaning that if someone came to give you a prophesy, and you knew the person was not a believer, then you are not to accept that prophesy.
I am certain that if a donkey spoke to anyone of us today, we would be busy binding and casting the demon out of the poor animal….

So, does God still speak His word through Gypsies, Psychics, Donkeys, babalawos, ‘prophets’ etc …please discuss

In the Old Testament, it was recorded that God spoke through a donkey. God also spoke through others who were not prophets? In fact, Abraham was not a Jehovah worshipper when God first spoke to him.

@Pilgrim,

pilgrim.1:

The Qur'an only mentions some of the Biblical prophets - but it does not contain their works.

Besides, as for the prophets Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, et al. . . no mention is made either of thos prophets or even the remotest hint of the particular revelations that they had!

So we have a problem here. It means that the Qu'ran may be incomplete.

@Olabowale. Is it true that the works and lives of Daniel, Elijah, etc are not found in the Qu'ran? How then can we analyse thier prophecies.
Are Prophets not given to bring prophecies to the people. Why then are these men mentioned in the Qu'ran , but their prophecies not mentioned?

@Olabowale,
Does the Qu'ran talk about the same prophets found in the OT? Elijah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, and are the psalms found in the muslim books?

I am trying to establish a level playing field so we can discuss.
You are right that I was quoting from the bible in discussing with Omololu, as he clearly does not have any problem with his faith in Jesus.

For you however, I want us to see the truth from outside. Anything other than that will immediately be a non-issue, as the bible is full of evdence that Jesus is God. Whilst your Qu'ran is equally filled with statements that He is not.

So, please clarify if the Qu'ran actually did write fully about the works and particularly statements, and Poems from the prophets of old. Or whether they are partial details?

@Omololu,
Thanks for your response.

Omolulu:

This matter is a very simple one, The Bible gives a clear account of Jesus's origins, John1:1 says "In the Beginning was the Word,and the Word was with GOD,ANd the word was GOD, (vs14) and the Word became fllesh and dwelt amongst men(vs 10) The Word was in the world.and the world knew Him not(vs12)Yet some people accepted him and put their faith in him,So he gave them the right to be children of GOD(vs18), No one has ever seen GOD.The only Son,who is truly God anad is closest to the Father,has shown us what GOD is Like.

However, if you observe what we are aiming to achieve, you'll see that there is no point in trying to prove the bible from within the bible, especially from the New Testament.
If we did that, then each religion will also prove the authenticity of their prophets from words written in the pages of their holy books, or books of reference.

Omolulu:

The christian religion is one based on faith and faith alone, not on science or archeology or any discipline.

Are you certain of this? Why then did the Lord Jesus perform so many miracles, if He simply expected us to have faith without any evidence or works?

Omolulu:

Jesus was never declared anywhere in the Bible as the prophet of God, but rather as the son of God

Jesus was king and Priest and Prophet, and Physician, Shepperd. etc.
see below:

Luke 24:19 “And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:”
Matthew 21:11 “And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.”
Luke 7:16 “And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us”

Omolulu:


Nevertheless anyone is free to his own interpretation of the BIBLE

Please dont say that.
The bible is not for private interpretation.
read 2 Peter 1: 20
"knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation"

Anyway. What we want to discuss is proofs and evidence that Jesus is God, either from the utterances of Christ Himself, or from the Prophets before him (i.e. Old Testament).

Hi Olabowale,

Regarding the house of Lords:
Today, we humans are free to call ourselves lord, Lord, or even God. Several have unwittingly chosen that path. However, it has no bearing on the original naming and its significance at the time David wrote that Psalm. We can therefore not draw that analogy here.

Regarding the idea of 'majestic pronouns’:
It would have been more credible if God used this manner of speaking throughout scripture. Hence I cannot agree that sometimes He would say ‘Let us make man in Our image’ and at other times He would say ‘I will bless you’ (Why not “We will bless you”).

Regarding the Idea of religion making rational sense:
In all the major religions existing today, whereby there is the worship of God. This is a God that we have never seen. God is said to have no beginning or end. Does that make rational sense? So why should it suddenly need to make sense when we talk of trinity, or other concepts and doctrines?


Regarding the Lord, LORD, lord.
It is clear that there is one God. However, if as the Christians assert, He sent His Only begotten Son. Then it goes without saying that one was sent, and therefore the sender must be greater in some respect. Just as I am greater than my Child, but at the same time, my child and I are on (If he does my will at all times). This manner of speaking is still purely relevant in this earthly realm, since the concept is entirely different in the heavens. E.g. God created Man as male and female. etc.
Jesus made these things clear in the New Testament. (However, We agreed not to use evidence from the Bible or Qu’ran).
We will deal with this at length, because I would prefer to keep things short in order to make for easy reading.

Regarding the Similarity between Ruach and Ruuh
This leads me to believe that someone had a view of the Old Testament, and misinterpreted Ruach to mean an Angel (Gabriel).
There may be a similarity between Ruuh and Ruach, because angels are spirit beings. But the Spirit of God is certainly not the Gabriel spirit.

If as you say, the pure Qur'an in Arabiya has information similar to that found in the old testament, then there must be some relationship between the two. Surely one was given before the other. Are you asserting that the Torah and Old testament which were first given are untrue? If so, where did the information come from and why is it then very similar to the Qu’ran?

@Pilgrim, you mean that you had already expounded passages such as , 'the LORD said unto my Lord'.

Have you shown how that the Holy Spirit hovered above the waters and How God Breathe the Holy Spirit and gave life to man etc

How the Holy Spirit functioned in the lives of Samson, David, Joshua, Elijah.
How the Holy Spirit how the holy spirit 'Ruach' in its original translation shows him to be a being rather than some force or power.

No, let us be patient to hear Olabowale out.

pilgrim.1:

@Grouppoint,

Two things:

(a) Actually, there are 'definitive pointers' to the Trinity in the OT - it is only a matter of terminologies used in speaking about the Godhead. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all recognized in the OT by all the prophets to whom the LORD God revealed Himself. So, if this most remarkable truth was only to be found in the NT, then it would indeed be something amazing to be considered a Christian deviation from the other revelation preceding the Incarnation.

(b) As regards the DEITY of the Lord Jesus Christ, there again there are far more definitive pointers in the Old TestamentT - and so many already have been proffered! There again, if the deity of Jesus Christ was only a NT thing, then it would have been a departure from the revelations of the OT prophets.

My people.

Let us give Olabowale a chance to speak for himself. Perhaps, he will surprise you lot.
I dont want a shouting match. I noticed the insults in his response, but I decided to apply what little I have learnt from my faith, namely, do not return evil for evil. And do not let any corrupt communication proceed from my mouth, but that which is good and edifying,

So, Olabowale, I await your response. Please dont fight. We will learn from each other, OK.

Olabowale, et al.
Can I also suggest this; Since both the Christian and Muslim religion have sources which clearly emanated from judaism, please let us only quote, not from the koran or bible, but from the judaic book; the Old testament or even just the Torah.
Is this ok with you?

Thank you for asking. So long as we maintain a civil discourse.

If you study the old testament, you would see that it is indeed a shadow of things to come, i.e. the New Testament.
So let us look and see what we can find;

In the begining, God , said Let Us make man in our own image, after our likeness.

'Us' means that God the Father was not alone in the work of creation, Do you agree so far?

Now before you say that God was speaking to angels, let me quickly point out that angels do not have the image or likeness of God, and also angels do not have creative powers. Hence we cannot say that God asked angels to create.

It really depends on the kind of man that you are.
If you the strong minded type who can handle details of how she slept with the entire social club, then good for you.

But if you know that after hearing such detail, you may become very paranoid, thne you better steer clear.

I reckon a healthy balance (that's for those few who are healthy and balanced), is to simply get the headlines; e.g. I had 3 boyfriends while in Uni. I got disvirgined at 16, and I once cheated.

Afterall, you dont want to keep bumping into her many ex-boyfirends, when all the while you hoped she had only ever had one ex-boyfriend.
Dont go further, cos you wont like what you hear.

Guys dont take kindly to anything that would affect their ego.

So suggest to him that there is something he eats, like Onions or garlic, and the smell tends to stay on.
If he insists that its not something in particular, he will then be left to decide why then his breath stinks.
But do not tell him that he has a permanaent MO. You may never see him again.

I hear you ladies, Omoge, Nwando.

But what then happens if, a few years down the line, the husband's fortunes start to dwindle?
The bacon come begin lean small.

You go run leave am?

I came across this thread, and thought it was rather interesting.
I was hoping that the christians will be able to engage in discourse and hopefully save the soul of the poster.
There are several people who ask these questions because the passages do exist in the bible.

God says, you shall have no other God before me. etc.
Truly, there were no definitive pointers in the old testament that there are three persons in one God, Hence you can imagine why a Jew, or Muslim or not-yet-converter person will struggle to undrstand the divinity of Christ and the person of the Holy Spirit.
So all I'm asking is, let us shed some light, rather than exchange vitriol.

What is the purpose of the state house of assembly?

Are they deliberating issues which affect the indigenes of a state,
or are they deliberating things which affect the residents?

If the residents are affected, then there is a need to consider the proportion of non-yoruba speaking residents.

Interpretation may not be sufficient, if the latter is the aim of the House.
Suffice to say that Lagos would not be as great without the involvement of all the diverse ethnic groups, kinda like London or NY city.

@Kuns,
Do you know Dr York?
Are you a Nuwaubian?

Dios:

Nigerians just worship their pastors, like "daddy G.O, pastor chris etc, y'all make them dudes sound larger than life.

Not all Nigerians worship their Pastors. There is a difference between worshipping and learning from the person. If you spend your day at work, while a pastor spends his day studying the word, then surely, he must have a thing or two to teach you.

Dios:

Another crazy thing i noticed, why does the pope prance around in $500 prada shoes and some of his congregation can't afford three square meals a day?

If the Pope heads a church that has given billions of Euros to help the poor, then why do you berate him for the price of his shoes? How do you know if he paid for the shoes or if they were made for him by Prada in appreciation of his contribution sto humanity.

Hi guys. Does anyone have any news on Globe Re? I bought some shares from their private placement, with the hope that they'll be listing this October.
I read yesterday on Proshare that the list of 49 Insurance companies have been released. Does anyone know if GlobeRe is among the 49 Insurance companies cleared by NAICOM?

Why should all religions study other religions?

I'm a little puzzled here. Does this mean that you'd rather talk about Pastor Chris than to talk about Jesus Christ?

Before I got saved, I spent many years blaspheming against the Holy Spirit.

Case in point:
Whenever some Preacher laid hands on people and they became healed by the Spirit of God, I said it was all film-trick, pre-arranged and fraudulent.

Today, I am now saved, and I now know better.
But tell me, Am I forgiven of those sins against the Holy Spirit?

This is a serious issue.

Stock Gurus,
Assuming an outlay of N10m to play the market.

N5m for long term, and N5m for short term buys.

1. What are the hot stocks to buy as at June 2007.
2. What is a winning strategy to achieve at least 100% profit by year end?

Your question is vague.
Are you asking in terms of the afterlife? Hell or heaven?
or are you asking us whether he is still in jail?

It is an observation that women cook better after a few years into marriage. But look less beautiful, and also perform abysmally in bed?