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The marriage is more important than the wedding

People just don't get it

Amberon:
You earlier said Christ died. I see your double talk.

Well your opinion is inconsequential to proven facts.Jesus is still the same today, yesterday and forever.

Hahahaha

Yeah right

So says the African whose continent is third world

Amberon:
do you agree that Christ died?

Christ did not exist. He was created by the Romans

To die, you have to exist first

alBHAGDADI:
You can't make heaven without Christ. No one cometh to the Father except through Christ.

No one can do those things you listed above without having Christ's guidance. Christ is the only perfect person that lived like the above. So, if anyone wants to do those things you listed, he or she must have to follow the example set by Christ himself.

So do you think it is right that billions of muslims burn for eternity even if they are good?

dhardline:
This is so true... So let me give you a little assignment for just a period of 1 week. In this next week, love everyone, be kind to all men, Don not lie not even a slight exaggeration, have no single evil desire or evil thought in your heart not even one, make sure you help d poor, do no evil thing, don't cheat, in all things love your neighbour and your enemies the same way you love yourself. If you can succeed in doing this for a week even a day with all sincerity and exactness then you'll surely make heaven without Christ.

So this means that Christ dying was useless since we can still make heaven without him

Hmm

Enlightening

dalaman:
What we need is open mindedness, total disregard for superstition that is deeply embedded in our culture and has become a sacred part of our lives. We need to embrace naturalism and try to understand that all our problems have natural solutions else we will keep wallowing in the cesspool we have created for ouselves.

We are overly religious and that has been a bane, but that doesn't mean that atheism will cure Africa's problem. Atheism might be a very big problem of its own if we all embrace it. Africans just need to be less religious and do away with the superstitious part of their religions the way others have done. That can only be done through the provision of good and quality education.

Others are religious and spiritual but they have been able to grow because they have dropped most of the superstitious aspect of their religion and embraced the natural part. In Europe today most christians do not accept creationism but evolution. Majority of them do not believe in faith healing, only the fringe believe in faith healing. They do not belive in prayers as a solution to anything. They just believe prayers as silent wish not a solution to anything, as such you can not see them praying away their problems like we do always. They have embraced naturalism and they truly believe that all of man's problems must be solved through natural means. No political leader in Europe or America will tell you that diseases are a product punishment of sin and expect to retain his seat. He/she will be forced to resign immediatelybecause such kind of thought and reasoning doesn't agree with the type of people and society they have created.

As black people we simply do NOT understand how the world works. I have European educated friends to PhD level that still reason the same way a stark illetrate will reason when it comes to matters superstition, religion and spirituality. Despite all the knowledge and education, many still believe that some imaginary spiritual forces are against them when misfortune comes their way, many still believe in ritual money, juju and the likes. Things that have stagnated our growth as a people for centuries. Until we change our beliefs and embrace naturalism the way others have by believing that our problems can only be sloved naturally we will continue to remain the way we are.

I totally agree with the emboldened

Nigerians are really not ready to face reality

KingEbukasBlog:
What you mortals say with arrogance though . But I think she should speak for herself . You are an atheist , you can lie without any scruples . So I can't take your word for it .

Lol. I don't think I am better at lying than your pastor. He keeps telling you to pray to god for healing when you are sick but travels abroad for treatment when he sneezes

This is very possible

Na their way

bennyann:
Preach on! I like it when you're on that mode

Theists always have a hard time recognizing sarcasm even when it hits them in the face. I understand

bennyann:
You're the one that's my concern and I'm sure you're so used to her by now but then she will do the needed.

But me, I'm sure you're so beautiful on the inside so please stop disguising cos you're trying too hard at that.

You are confused

KingEbukasBlog:
Hahn and Hopefullandlord are you married to religious women like plaetton ?

My wife is no longer brainwashed. She is saved from blind faith and belief useless in Jewish mythology and religion in general

God now resides in our trash bin

I am more pissed by the tattoos than anything else

bennyann:
Big sis, it's not my fault oo. You know hahn most times forget we are humans trying to understand each other.

And your friend that wrote this is what?

analice107:
You are not only fallen but dead and lost at the same time.

analice107:
You are not only fallen but dead and lost at the same time.

Jesus will be proud

walls01:
OK then, but it is better to know life just don't come out of the blue, if it had we will still be experiencing it

I do not understand what you mean by the emboldened but this is how I see it. No one knows for sure how life came about. It could have been by someone or something.

For the "someone" there have been thousands of possible creators. Whichever creator you believe in is just one of them and none of the thousands have been able to prove that their god is the real creator. The same belief or faith you apply to your religion that makes it seem real is also applied to other religion. So far we can put all these gods under the category of guess work. No actual research or evidence has been put forward to prove that your god or any other god is real for that matter

On the other hand we have science that applies research, evidence and the scientific procedure to come to it's conclusion.

Even though I am not a scientist I think it is best to keep an open mind. Religion might be right, science might be right

Personally, I do not care how the earth started. What is the benefit of this knowledge? How has it helped to improve mankind so far? If god(any of the 4,200 of them) exist, what are it's benefits?

To whoever created this

Splinz:
Oh congratulation on your new would-be path.

May the lord of atheism instruct you like hahn, radicalized you like akintom, give you strength like hopefulLandlord, and bless you like seun.

May you stand firm and wage the good fight of logic as faithful atheistlists, that at the end, you may all receive your rewards.

Fare thee well my son.

Do you have anything meaningful to say regarding his question? SO far, you have not said anything relating to his question

Maybe you missed it. Here

Somewhere in the world a man has abducted a little girl. Soon he will rape, torture, and kill her. If an atrocity of this kind not occurring at precisely this moment, it will happen in a few hours, or days at most. Such is the confidence we can draw from the statistical laws that govern the lives of six billion human beings. The same statistics also suggest that this girl’s parents believe — at this very moment — that an all-powerful and all-loving God is watching over them and their family. Are they right to believe this? Is it good that they believe this?

Let me book space first and then reason the matter

This is a very delicate issue

Stay in naija una no gree

walls01:
You will agree with me that whosoever believe the evolution theory is dull. The evolution theory says a dot expanded to form the universe and living things sprung up spontaneously from non living things, this idea has no base in our everyday life, making it clear there is a creator.

Well, I do not know much about the evolution theory myself but I do not it was first postulated by a Christian

Then again, even if there is a creator I still see no need serving it

KingEbukasBlog:
To talk like a child

To believe and subject oneself to servitude over someone else's idea

@ zionmade, come and see your fellow Christians. And she is off to church

zionmade:
Those persons are not Christians
To be born into a Christian family does not make u a Christian.
If ur life does not emulate dat of Christ den u re not a Christian.

Lol

zionmade:
Lets disect d enjoyment u re talking of
1. Drinking and getting drunk.
2. Sleeping around with anything walking on skirt
3. Freestyle in lying
4. Stealing wenever u have d opportunity
5 Cheating on ur wife
6. Partying and Clubbing away ur life
7. Smoking unrelently
8. Retaliation for every wrong done to u
9. Saying anything u wish at anytime and anywhere
10. Feel free to add urs.
Assuming no heaven or hell lets disect d consequences of d listed enjoyments.
1. Driving while drunk could get u killed, D nearest gutter might be ur next destination, u will look stuupidd to responsible men who wouldn't want to have anything with a drunkard, u will be killing ur health.
2. Free HIV, from staph, free ghonorhea, free death.
ETC
So hell doesn't have to exist for u to be scared of d consequences of ur reckless life.

Moreover a true Christian would never follow Jesus just because of heaven and hell. Wen u truly love God, u will enjoy every bit of ur relationship wit him.

Most of the people in church today did these things you mentioned last night and will repeat it after service

bennyann:
Like seriously? You ehn

Your testimony will change to the glory of God. That I'm sure of, no matter how long it takes.

Oh crap

If you really believe that why don't you say, no children will suffer ever again to the glory of god?

Why can't your god heal all the sick people in the world and remove poverty?

Instead it is seeking adoration and blind faith

I have put your god in it's place a long time ago

Here

uzoronwusa:
Meaning that what she experienced with God wasn't real?

because god is not real

My bro her antennae for perceiving God got broken by you.

It got broken by rational thinking, empathy and thinking. These concepts are foreign to theists. I understand

the signal of God's existence is still broadcasting real time and available to those with faith.

With faith. As usual. But never with evidence. God is busy playing hide and seek while millions die every day

Just know that since you can apply faith for your god to exist, every other religion can do the same. And I know you believe only your religion is right

the fact that God is dead to you doesn't mean that he stops existing.

God needs to exist first to be able to die

he still lives despite your unbelief.

Of course. Many people believe in your god just as other people believe in other gods

you must first believe he exists before you can see him.otherwise, its impossible.he lives,that I know.

Since I do not need to believe the sun exists, I know, then it is obvious your god is nothing but an idea. One that I see no need for

Toks2008:
So both of you are now raising a GODLESS family...OK. .continue.

Yes. And life is great without god

Besides, what is the benefit of raising a godfull family when you end up facing the same challenges everyone else faces

Do you know how many pastor's sons and daughters I know that are cultists and prostitutes or how many people still die at the hospital despite praying daily for "healing"?

In our life, the belief in any god(including yours) is useless and unnecessary. It has no significance and serves no need

walls01:
Dump the idea of a God in the trash good, you must have a good reason, pls what do you think give rise to the universe? Pls your own thought not a religious argument

I really have no idea. I am grateful to be a part of the universe and appreciate every single breath I take daily. I live every moment fully because I know how lucky I am to be here

bennyann:
Hahn, na wa for you oooo. We dey fight?
Fallen' is your problem abi. Sorry oooo. No vex

Do you know that word was used for the righteous in the Bible? I never knew it's a word that triggers something in you.

Sorry OK. It's obvious we think differently

God forbid I fall but if I should I will make sure I rise each time by the special grace of God.

Later you will say some group of people are not intelligent

Not everyone needs god's grace to "rise"

In fact it is because of god many people are down

OKUCHI11:
ok how to make our indigenous belief system gain more recognition world wide

What exactly is our indigenous belief? We are not one. Africa has thousands of tribes. Many do not agree on the same time. Nigeria is a perfect example

bennyann:
It's not something nairaland can handle ooo
This thread was created so I can come back to it and give a positive news to the glory of God that there's hope for good girls out there.

And I've learnt a lot, so much from the wonderful ladies on this thread and some gentlemen.

It's high time I put this thread to rest because I've gotten all the counsel I needed.

Doc, there's no harm in giving God a chance.

If you fall please rise again
By the time I come back to give a different testimony, make sure you aren't where you are now

I know this doesn't concern me but @ emboldened is such a rude and arrogant statement

To assume that simply because someone doesn't "believe" in your god equates to the person to have "fallen" is presumptuous and arrogant

sureteeboy:
4TB? These cars can't function here in Nigeria.

When they get to 3.99TB NEPA go just take light