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hahn:
There is nothing philosophical about making money.

It is either you are willing to do what you have to do to make it or not.

who is talking about making money here? i am talking about use thinking about imbalance in the society, perhaps it is greed, perhaps we examine human nature and how it translates to the state of our societies, perhaps... not bloody money or business.

nosiebaba:
Unlike the holy bible. It wasn't written by you.

na so we see am o. so who wrote the bible? god abi. lol! abeg on a serious note jare. who wrote the bible?

MrColdsweat:
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When we have no defense, you resort to insults.

First, I must say you are ignorant of science and its workings. I don't blame you because I understand the poor state of the Nigerian educational system. You see a native doctor doing something, maybe spraying a love portion, he tells you the gods revealed the poison to him in the dream, how is that science? At what point did he hypothesize and experiment before concluding on its efficiency? This is what you don't know. Different systems, different methodologies for accessing truths.

Just as the methodology of science is experiment, observation, hypothesis etc, Divinity and spirituality has its own methodologies, which are revelations, meditations, prophecies etc.

In the ancient times, witch doctors knew varieties of poison, before you claim they were doing science, you have to tell us the stages and scientific processes the witch doctors carried out in testing and experimenting before discovering these poisons. You can't just tell us that they were doing science, without telling us the scientific processes involved in discovering them. If you do that, then you do not know why there is science and pseudoscience.

lol. you just dumb and ignorant. so comic to see that you dont know it.

jimmynauty:
kia kia

go over your comments you will find your answer 2016

and they are suddenly invisible to you that you cannot find them and provide link here. I am ignoring you until you prove you are not the bloody liar i called you. disgusting liars... spits

jimmynauty:
do you want to see the future spoken centuries ago and how its unfolding live?

just the way Star Trek predicted lot of tech we use today. so divine.

Seun:
If you define the poor as the least wealthy people in a society, you cannot end poverty. There's no practical definition of poverty that can be applied across space and time. Some people considered poor in one country would be rich if they made the same amount of money in another country. Some people considered poor in 2021 enjoy more pleasant and luxurious lives than people considered rich in 1821.

this is too simplistic Mr Seun. of course poverty takes the same shape and color regardless of time. poverty is never about money, it is all about resources.

MrColdsweat:
If you do not know that alchemy birthed chemistry, then you should have at least used Google to verify before embarrassing yourself. (The worst form of ignorance is blatantly rejecting a claim instead of verifying).

How can you say when a herbalist ask you to drink a concoction, that it is science? Do you see herbalists go through the empirical phase of scientific study before theorizing that his concoction works?

Do babalawos or herbalists use the scientific methodology?

What scientific apparatus do they use for the scientific observations?

Are you sure you know what science is?

you are the one embarrassing yourself and displaying your ignorance. get some education and stop making it seem you are knowledgeable cos you read something about alchemy.

you ask what apparatus do babalawos use for their science? what display of ignorance!
you think you need lab equipment to carryout experiments before they are deemed scientific? you thinks science must me something associated with the laboratory or a formal education.

the uneducated village man that has never read a book in his life but has learned to breed only health goats with healthy goats to have a healthy stock is practicing science.

the men that lived thousands of years before we could every write anything had to practice science in several forms to survive and improve their living conditions. all that they learned and practice is what has contributed to our level of advancement today. just observing at a round wheel is better that a cube while is application of physics even if hey did not call it science, or even understand what they were doing, it is still science.

MrColdsweat:
I'm talking heavy analytic chemistry like purifying gold and gunpowder, you talking malaria .

Young man, let me end the discussion. The distinction between science and the so called black magic is its methodologies.

While that of black magic is unconventional, vast and unorganized, science is simple and straight forward.

The problem is, you try to measure the other concept with scientific methodology. This is like to use a basket to pack water. To pack water, you use something that can hold water. Science is based on empirical study. The study and observations of the physical world. Don't you think it is foolishness to try to use a physical metric for the spiritual?

That is why I told you, instead of sitting in your parlour, typing nonsense about juju, walk into a shrine and ask the babalawo to show you his methodologies.

The distinction is methodology.

old man, you have ended nothing. purifying gold is not a more important science than curing malaria. you are vain and unreasonable

shadeyinka:
No sir!
The fundamental sickness of man is selfishness!

We acquire more than what we need to look better, higher, bigger and ahead of our neighbours. As long as this trait exists, inequality will be the de facto state of humans!

Selfishness lead to Greediness and Evil

Have you ever seen anyone hoarding AIR (for breathing)?
It belongs to no one and cannot be controlled by anyone: thus with respect to air, we all live at peace. No one feel superior or inferior to others by the air he is breath's.
Who owns the greatest air or least air in the world?

Selfishness make a man to take care of only matters that concern him (his children, friends, family) while ignoring others.

That is why Jesus said the greatest commandment is LOVE!
Matt22:34-39
Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?" He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. ' This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Anything that can be hoarded is man's problem caused by his selfishness.
Anything that can be distributed or controlled by man will be his problem due to his selfishness

Love (as a command here on earth) is the temporary cure of selfishness
Resurrection after Death is a permanent cure for selfishness

bravo! very well put. though i think Common sense and Experience is enough to establish this facts you have laid out, not bible verses or quoting any authority. i dont subscribe to authorities

LordReed:
The way to do it would not be to give direct money payments but to create systems by which everyone gets to receive whatever they need like housing, food, clothing, transportation, etc. We have the technology to do this.

socialism? hmmm....a good solution if you ask me. communism can actually end world poverty, but the problem is it means living for the State and not self. We want to live for ourselves and not the State, hence Capitalism which allows us to fulfill our ambitions even if we have to take advantage of others. now we are in a dilemma, to be fully institutionalized in a Communist society or enjoy the liberties of Capitalism with the cost of wealth disparity.

MaxInDHouse:
That's where EQUITY comes in!
People should be respected no matter their level of intelligence since they're part and parcel of the human race we must all bear their condition and make sure they get the best no matter how low their IQ!
That's what will help us live as a family.
Note that in the same family of a billionaire all his children will be given equal privileges yet he wouldn't allow the dullard amongst his own children to suffer all because he/she is not as intelligent as others.
Let's apply the same logic in the human society and see the outcome!

That is not how respect works. everyone gets a chance at respect, you either build it or lose it.
as for family supporting the weak ones in the family, that is exactly why i pinned poverty on the poor giving birth to children they cannot take care of. if we all create a responsibility system, where people bring in children to this world that they can be responsible for and fully support to independence and these children also do the same, then we would live in a better society. if those who cannot be responsible are cut off from breeding, then we stem their irresponsibilty to them only and not to another generation.

dontrulee:
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Sure sir, I will.

quote me when you do. thank you sir

Lonelypacifist6:
No it's impossible, you'll just have less People with More money in circulation. Poverty is what keeps the balance of the financial world, some people must be poor enough to want to work for their needs, If you give them their needs they won't work.

poverty is not about the financial world or financial structures we have in place. it is about resource control. in a world without money, you would still have beggars.

nosiebaba:
Properganda propaganda. How many people concoct stories to suit and justify their crooked and twisted ways

lol. just like the stories in your bible, right?

michjunior:
wow!!!..Really??
Nothing man no go see....He sounded so real one would hardly doubt

and there you go believing their lies without asking for evidence. if i was busted it must be here on nairaland, how come i have not seen this so called busting?

jimmynauty:
If I remembeed welll, a screenshot of trying to get support for his fake story from a Christian bursted his lies.. something like that

you guys just make up lies and i thought you christians aint supposed to be liars, but alas, you lie than a snakes flicking its tongue. provide the screenshot please you bloody liar

michjunior:
HardMirror!!! Some of you might still remember the name...in 2016 he wrote a powerful personal life story of his conversion from being a pastor to being a Atheist. His story was epic,Intriguing, captivating by all standards to the extent that so many threads where open days after his story was read here...it was the topic on everyone's lips here in this religion section.. it was really mind blowing... he received bashing from most Over Zealous Christians, encouragement from his fellow Atheist and fair comment from some neutrals....it was indeed a story that had weight and took a lot of interest fro. people due to how sophisticated and well organise the article was. Four years has passed and am just curious to know........WHERE IS HARD MIRROR WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HARD MIRROR!!!!!
AM JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW

some one opened a similar thread alread and i have already replied that thread sir. thanks for your concern. i am fine
https://www.nairaland.com/6601150/where-hardmirror-he-alive

jimmynauty:
Update your post.
he was bursted as fake.

busted by who? can you show me the so called "busting"

Dtruthspeaker:
You are intelligent beings but among you are the disobedient, the cheats, the liars, the lazy, the uncooperative, the ambitious who seek to dominate and rule others, who shall always be these things.

disobedient to who or what? all these things you describe perfectly fits the definition of christians, muslims and atheists alike,.. i mean humans,..duh!

Dtruthspeaker:
so i came up with several factors i think are the problem.



No! Because those are spoke of above will still go to work on how they can i
In-poverty you whilst they in-rich themselves and rule you.



Which is where Slavery begins and they will get you to do all the work while they eat the gains thereof!



See why you are evil and God is Gooder? He says no one should be poor, the poor should be provided for.

what load of nonsense! what is your god doing to make the world a better place? all efforts to make the world better has been made by humans and not an imaginary god

hahn:
This should be in the business section

no. This is Philosophical, i just had to put it in a simple way for people to understand and think about.

shadeyinka:
Humans are born selfish!

Either cure the infection (selfishness)
or
Until a situation where no one own anything, poverty will be for some people and surplus will be for others

are you saying people should work for money and just start distributing the money to others?

hopefulLandlord:
Alchemy na scam

dont rush the dude, he wont understand. i am sure he is one of those chaps that thinks magic is real.

MrColdsweat:
No. It is not science because science has a methodology. Alchemy involves many steps including rituals, mystic practices, sacrifices etc. People who practiced alchemy were called magicians or spiritualists.

I ask you again, how were people you term fake, people without any formal scientific education, able to purify gold, discover laughing gas, alcohol and gunpowder considering that these processes can not be independently done by an average scientific scholar?

you dont need formal education to practice science.
to reach a scientific conclusion, you must have an hypothesis, conduct an experiment, confirm the results and reach a conclusion.
imagine a village with malaria problems, the herbalist thinks to himself that some of the roots and leaves in the forest must be able to cure the disease that is the hypothesis.
he starts trying out different plants. that is the experiment.
he observes that those he gave Dogoyaro leaves got better faster than other. he reaches a conclusion.
while doing all this, he was making scarifies to his gods.
In the end he got a scientific solution but carried the unnecessary burden of spiritualism.

LordReed:
While I don't think we need to be so drastic as to reduce the world population, I do agree that population control by restricting births will probably be one of the methods that will have to be employed. Which underscores why I said the willpower is lacking.

irresponsibility to me is the primary cause of poverty. that is why if all the worlds resources were equally share to everyone, some people would squander it and return to poverty. if people lived responsibly, we would better manage and grow the resources we have. I am still not convinced that poor people need to stop giving birth.

dontrulee:
I have experienced God in truth and that's why I can't deny his existence

tell me your experience sir

MrColdsweat:
Witch doctors have been practicing necromancy, chemistry, medicine, pharmacy before the birth of organized science. Witch doctors knew which herbs cured diseases, they knew alcohol, laughing gas, they purified gold themselves.

How did they do that centuries before the birth of chemistry?

How did uneducated witchdoctors experiment and discover, alcohol, gunpowder before the birth of chemistry?


Alchemy is the father of chemistry. Who were the people practicing alchemy then, if not witch doctors?


Juju gave birth to birth.

Science na part of juju wey them don study, organize, come put for book make una read

there is nothing like birth of chemistry. lol or birth of science.

if the cave man 100,000 years ago when we did not even have the knowledge of making metals, figured out that a sharp stone could cut animal skin, he was practically practicing physics. to figure out that some materials could carry water and some could not carry water is science. science is not the art of wearing white lab coats and being in the laboratory. so you have proved nothing by your grossly ignorant statement.

an herbalist could actually study nature and come up with remedies for different health problems that works, that does not mean he has supernatural powers, it only proves he is intelligent and able to study nature and apply his observations to practical use. it is science not spiritualism.

so you are not making any sense by saying birth of chemistry or alchemy being father of chemistry. the word chemistry only defines the study of how substances interact with each other. and it is just a branch in science. humans have being learning how substances interact with each other even some animals understand how some basic substances they need for survival works.

you say science is part of Juju. damn! you just talking trash.
juju is supposed to be spiritual. juju works because there is a spiritual dimension to it. if an herbalist asks you to drink a concoction to solve a health problem and that is science not juju. he studied the plants and knows their properties, he does not know he is practicing science , but he does not have to know, science is science. it is just a word to define what is being done.

paulolee:
this are just rumors n speculations except he comes with raw facts n proves dt he did fix games for Nigeria and southy
I know match fixing are real n I have heard of this fixing guy on an African sport tabloid and if his proves comes out through it would be a big blow for African football because Nigeria and southy are key players..
I do respect such influential match fixers because its not an easy line of business, a little snitch from one camp can involve so many death threats n murder cases because of d soo much money in football n dts why i fear for dis guy...
as for dt nairaland low buget match fixer, he should take his time n read how secretly d business is carried out n not jus forcing his fake games on everybody..

Wilson Raj Perumal is currently under protective custody.
i think there his story is true perhaps exaggerated but true all the same. there are lots of recordings, many of his associates have been arrested and are serving terms in prison. most guys involved deny him, people like Samson Siasia, which i never expect him to admit he had links with the man. the man could not go about recording all his conversations as if he was expecting to be caught, so the fact we can even get some of these recording proves a lot

LordReed:
With our current level of technology it is possible but potential is different from actual. To actually enter such a state would require willpower I don't think is currently in evidence.

i honestly think poverty can be eradicated but it would mean reducing the world's population not because resources are not enough, but to create a more accountable society. i think we are were we are because there is no accountability. how do people without means give birth? even animals only multiply where resources are abundant, but we humans expect others to carry our burdens. i think we need a society where parents are arrested for giving birth to children they cannot take care of. if we live with this level of accountability, we can really bring poverty down to the minimum if not totally.

Karleb:
Your take is wrong.

People can be poor for a lot of factors.

Take for example, in the north, the elites and government encourages and grow poverty en mass via religion fanatism and ignorance.

An average poor northerner thinks education is haram and poverty is the will of Allah.

In Nigeria as a whole, the government is responsible for most of the poverty, so how then do you say the poor should not be pitied?

In the south, people are being owed salaries for months, some pensioners are yet to receive kobo after years of retirements.

The only set of people that should not be pitied are the lazy and poor.

that is why i openned this thread to listen to opinions and insights of people like you. thanks for the insight.
as for not having pity for the poor, i still stand on that. when you interact with the "poor" (i am not rich by the way), you realize the are not willing to be liberated, they generally have a mindset of getting handouts. the only exceptions being those who are fighting to get out of their situation and who are also willing to learn, change their mindset and make the sacrifices necessary.

Kobojunkie:
All the poor or some of the poor?

i meant the poor as a collective, not as individuals. meaning there is no point trying to help the poor (as if we can eradicate poverty), rather i encourage us to help individuals around us as much as we can.

donbenie:
In which of the above videos was the claim and evidence of Nigeria bribing Kenya made?
Because the Kenya News report I watched,does not in any way prove anything..
The man being interviewed did not even specifically mentioned,that the Nigerian match was rigged?
ALL I heard from him was a half hearted insinuation..

watch the last video.

Image123:
Poverty is a sin problem, not a population problem. There are more angels in Heaven but no poverty there.

Modified. Forgive my bad, i went over your syllabus. Let's come back to earth.
There are more people in USA and China than in Nigeria. The poverty percentage is worse in Nigeria. So, it's not a population problem.

ignoring the irrelevant mumblings of your post, you actually made sense in your second paragraph and that is what i would address.

in the united states, there are welfare programs that helps their population and china is a communist country that has structures in place to cater for their population, hence why the government only allows 2 children per family so they can cater for them under their social welfare programs.
so population still a key factor here