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Pelecius:
I wonder how wannabe atheists enjoy self delusion, like the ones stated by op. I think it makes them feel good and "intellectually" fulfilled.

Most times, wannabe atheists objections are outright straw man. Let's consider his points.

1. Emotion is part of every human. Being a religious person (I'll argue for Christianity henceforth) does not make you more emotional than an atheist. First point.
Secondly, it is not a MUST that you listen to gospel songs. And gospel songs don't ONLY talk of emotional stuff. You are assuming too much here. And most movies don't end in tragedy, gospel movies included. Or are you implying that movies where good overcome evils are gospel?
The reality of being a sinner is not to appeal to anyone's emotion. The saving grace of Christ is evident as hard criminals turn to peaceful and loving people.
If you are not happy with it, it doesn't make you right. On the other hand, you seem to have just expressed your own emotions (maybe to make you feel good)

2. To hope also is universal, whether an atheist or a theist. Just that what one hopes on differs.
Again, you've stated two behaviors of humans generally, but tried to use it in disparaging religion.
Your "hoping on the impossible" is a straw man for the Christian faith. There's the instructions for WORK + faith and that of WATCH + pray. Most wannabe atheists set up straw man to attack. So a Christian does not hope while doing nothing just as a scientist does not hope to get results without experiments.

3. Like you already stated, having a family or urge to belong to a family is also universal. Now, your last statement of wanting an apostate to leave miserably is unfounded claim. It's just in your head. In fact, it's not a Christian thing to do.

4. Irresponsibility
This is where you just merely expressed your emotions. Your very first statement is another unfounded claim. You went on to prove it by other unfounded claims.
Seems that your ignorance of what Christianity teaches is just overwhelming and you must of think that Christianity is limited to Nigerian culture where evil forces are the order of the day.
Pick a Bible and study, it'll save you these unfounded claims you bring up.

5. Appeal to Authority.
You seem to write this to justify your alleged atheism. Using the Bible truths to train up children is not wrong, except you show otherwise. It definitely contains moral absolutes with which we can build a sane society (most atheistic influence nations actually built their morals on religion, and I'm not saying atheists can't be moral - though, there's no justification for that).
Your claim that atheist must work to earn his respect is even a Biblical principle also (Prov 24:22).

6. No need to think?
This is where you got it all wrong. You just don't know what Christianity teaches, so you invent one to make yourself look sophisticated.
The Bible encourages critical thinking and it was this that led to the rise of modern science (I believe you were not expecting this). Scriptures include:
A. Test things and hold on to what's true. 1 Thess 5:21
B. Only fools believe just anything. Prov 24:15
C. The Berean Christians checked what Paul said to see if it's correct. Acts 17:11
And other scriptures.

It turns out that wannabe atheists enjoy some delusions to feel good of their rebellion against God by cooking up what Christianity does not teach and rubbishing it. A simple logical fallacy called straw man.
But those are easily knocked down (then they mostly shift ground to bring up another topic without acknowledging being wrong).
Just as the scripture says:
The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him. Prov 18 vs 17

what do you mean by wannabe atheist? you mean there are people who believe in god or lets even be specific, are Christians, yet come out to say there is no god or they dont believe in god? how is that even possible? are you even thinking at all or just want to talk for the sake of talking. just listen to your own crap. wanna be atheist my foot! you are an atheist just pretending to be an christian. you are a wanna be christian for sure.

Kobojunkie:
No, I am not.

I am simply commenting that the ideas posited are not even scriptural to begin with and so listening without realizing even that is itself a problem.

well still does not make sense. cos the bible actually does not exempt atheists from hell

Kobojunkie:
Worse, you say but this is in fact what is taught in scripture.

are you JW

Kobojunkie:
According to the Bible teachings of Jesus Christ,

1. Heaven and Hell is also meant for those who believe in Jesus Christ, as the unbelievers are without eternal life with which to spend eternally in either of the two.

2. Heaven and Hell will only be open for business only after the return of Jesus Christ when He will then judge the works(not sins) of those who belong in His flock(believe in Him) . So all those who are dead in Christ will remain sleeping in there graves until then.

3. All those without Jesus Christ lack an afterlife / eternal life and so will cease to exist once they die since they all remain physical beings like their ancestor Adam - Genesis 3 vs 17 - 19

this is even worse than the normal christain bullcrap i hear. JW i guess

Being an atheist is HARD!!! you need to be super human to leave faith!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rT8Re1EIQc

The song above is an embodiment of what keeps Christians in the faith. i can talk confidently about Christianity not because i hate Christianity more than other religions, but because i was a christian and that was my life.

As an Atheist i sometimes forget what it meant to be a christian and i wonder why people still buy into the absolute nonsense the christian faith is selling them... the truth is it is EXTREMELY HARD TO BE AN ATHEIST and here are the reasons.

1. Emotions. you need to listen to a good gospel song or watch a good gospel movie. the core is play on Emotions (most times they do it innocently not that they are evil) the emotions of you being weak and one super hero (god) caring so much for you, coming to take you out of your mess, out of your filth. you are so unworthy of love, you are a reject, a sinner, a cast away, yet this super hero loves you so much. As an atheist there is no supernatural love anywhere to lean on when you are down. You have to wear your big boy pants, pull up your sleeves and take responsible for your life. Trust me this is difficult as humans can be emotional. this is why we cannot expect people to drop their faith.

2. Hope.
Hope of getting the impossible, hope of getting healing, hope for the poor, hope for the oppressed. this keeps people patient in their situations because they are waiting for a reward and any negative thoughts or consideration could provoke this god not to give them the reward anymore, so they keep hoping. it is the SUNK COST effect. they have invested so much time hoping they just cannot stop hoping.

3. Family
just like cast aways find solace in gangs and cults, a feeling of comradeship and loyalty to one another, Religion brings people together, which is actually a good thing. people feel they belong to a family. An atheist had better have an actual family and friends that genuinely love him/her cos when you leave the church, they are simply looking forward to you having a miserable life so they can mock you for leaving god.

4. Irresponsibility
being a christian is a ticket to being irresponsible. you always have something to blame for your problems; you can blame the devil, blame demons, blame ancestral curses. you are never the reason why things are not working out. when something bad happens to you you can ask people to pray for you explaining how some forces are working against you.

5. appeal to authority
Parents love the power that the religion gives them. they can always use God and the Devil to threaten their children (subtly) so as to get them to be under their control and do their biding. Politicians use same, every one who stands to gain can use religion as a means to an end. Atheists have to actually work to earn respect, they cannot use the authority of god or the devil to demand respect or service they do not deserve.

6. No need to think.
Thinking is actually very hard and a task people avoid. people want ready answers. just take a look back at your days in school, people are looking for area of concentration to read and prepare for exam, people are looking for ready answers for the questions. people just want to cram and pour, they do not want to really understand the topic and be able to thoroughly articulate the subject. that is same with religion. religion provides ready answers, you dont have to think, here are all the answers. as an atheist you have to think everything through, it is very very hard if you are not ready to challenge yourself.

emotions and the psychology that is involved in religion (christianity in particular) are extremely powerful. it is a fools paradise but a paradise all the same

frank317:
The mind is very strong, yet easy to manipulate. The fear of death and unknown after death is the birth of heaven and hell.

The human mind cant just phantom the idea of never existing again after death. We wish to see those we love again and we wish those who hurt us suffer for hurting us.

Haven't we all been played? Or are we not just playing ourselves? People just want believe and move on hence they open themselves up for deceit and manipulation.

We then become gods, sanctioning those we love to a better place and those we hate to torment. Makes me wonder... Are we not the God we worship?

the amount of self deceit we subscribe to is incredible even beyond religion. but we can always get to question ourselves to stay in tune with reality especially when it aint favorable

Machinegun91:
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tell me 2 family and friends you have that you think are in hell now?

DEAD FRIENDS AND FAMILY DONT GO TO HELL!

"Kelvin was a good kid, all he ever did was love everyone around him. he did not deserve to die, but God knows best. i am sure Kelvin is up there looking down at us smiling."
"My dear sweet Grandpa, how could i not miss him, the old man lived his life for christ! what a wonderful man. He is now in a better place."

These are the kinds of sweet comments that follows almost every funeral especially funerals with family and close friends, in such cases, no one ever goes to hell, only those we hate, those not close to us ever end up in hell.

we roll out the drums, we throw a feast of celebration of life when people dies here in Nigeria, it is a time to celebrate because they are in heaven. we somehow know for sure that they are in heaven.

in some cases, we even pray to the dead, we call on them to help the family they left behind. children crying and asking their dead father or mother to look down from heaven and help them. even those who do not pray to the dead, believe that the dead can have an impact on the living directly from the spiritual realm.

is it not funny that hell is never an option for those we love? as if our loving them is what our holy books require for them to be in heaven.

Indeed heaven was made up to make us feel better about the death of those we love and hell was created to make us feel better about the death of those we hate.
those we love who must deserve some enjoyment because we love them and those who must go to hell be cause we hate them and cannot imagine that our hatred for them cannot be executed but we can at least imagine that god agrees with us and punish those we do not like on our behalf.

Dtruthspeaker:
is it now you are asking "what God" after all this time you have been opposing me based on Him?

You have nothing reasonable to say, so, till another reasonable or foolish thread comes up, this Convo is done!

Yes, we know the god you wish to be real is yahweh, i write and address this god as an idea so you the readers can relate to what i am talking about. to me he aint more real than harry potter is real. but sure, you wont know that cos of your lack of education

Dtruthspeaker:
Haha, Yep!

Exactly when they were like you, so did they so Lament and Cry and Anguish!

Whilst we said "FOOLS, did you think God was joking when He said that those terrible things shall fall on you" when they went against Him?

Fools were they and you are exactly as they are as you have chosen to take upon yourself!

what God? you mean your man written bible? you just cant make god up and expect me to accept this so called god said anything

Dtruthspeaker:
Your Threads of Lamentations have already shown that you are lying! grin

Truth Always Comes Out in many ways and you have leaked yours already, so it is too late for you to recant

even the bible has a book of Lamentations so i dont think you should be too worried about mine. my so called lamentations are targeted at exposing the fraud called religion especially christianity that i am very familiar with and know for sure the false claims of the useless religion

Dtruthspeaker:
Time passes when a person is having fun therefore waiting is Fun!

i am also having fun but not waiting for an imaginary judgement. Christians are unable to use their so called connection to their imaginary god to solve any real world problem, there is absolutely nothing to prove your god exist and yet you take it a step further expecting us to believe there is one hell waiting for unbelievers. so convenient to just make stuff up like you guys think everyone is stupid

Dtruthspeaker:
That is beauty of God, He certainly Sees the Wicked and shall Cut them off in His Time!

na so. keep waiting.

Dtruthspeaker:
It is The Law, When the Wicked are cut off there must BE SHOUTS OF JOY, Exactly as Nigerians Shouted when Abacha died and will shout if Buhari dies today!.

When the Wicked Perish there are shouts of joy!

then in guess we should be looking forward to you being "cutting off" and the likes of you who are the reason for decay and backwardness in today's world

onlyforchrist:
This got me laughing hard, I remember those times when I was a Christian. Wasted years....

ehya

oluwaahmed:
Ok so what is ur fact/knowledge about the origin of man? Am not a religious person but am also not an atheists justbtryin to understand where you coming from

good. lets look at the facts and evidences we have right now.
we have evidences of early species of man and they fit the timeline archeologically, these are not stories, they are hard evidences available for anyone to see and research. on the other hand, there is absolutely no evidence that god created anything. even if we are to agree god created man, then which god and which creation story should we believe and why?

LordReed:
Not only apes but all other living things as well. Add to that our morphological and physiological similarities. Man did not evolve from monkeys, man and other hominids evolved from a common ancestor following different evolutionary paths so there is no way they were all going to turn out the same. Maybe in a million years we will be different from how we are now but that cannot be predicted with any type of accuracy and that includes what will happen to the other apes.

crocs and horseshoe crabs have remained the same for millions of years for example. the human race is actually getting taller, we are changing at a micro scale. only time would tell

oluwaahmed:
Biological in the sense that man shares a DNA to the ape? Archaeological that bones of man living a million years ago were discovered. The question is this now, if man evolved in time from monkey to man, how come not all species of apes followed man to evolve? Are you also saying that in another million years man would have mutated/evolved into a different being? or the remaining apes would have evolved to join man?

evolution occurs through branch-off from the originating specie, it does not mean the originating species become extinct in all cases. show me where science ever claimed man evolved from monkeys, we only have a common ancestor. yes micro evolution is constantly taking place. the human race today are taller than people just a few thousand years ago.

Dtruthspeaker:
Abokis physically prove you wrong, they create a society with only a gate man and his wife as historians have recorded.

One man and one woman is all it takes to have a country!

*facepalm* you are one of the least educated people in this section, you just jump into matters you dont even understand. lordreed is talking about the diverse genetics of different races and sub races across the globe, you are talking about ability to give birth to many children. how can 2 people be responsible of the genetic diversity of the human race? abeg keep quite and learn when topics that are beyond you are being discussed. i have noticed your display of ignorance across threads here

HellVictorinho:
If you want to prove that something exists,all you will have to do is to determine how it exists.

Is it an event?
Is it a quality or a condition?
Is it an object?



If it is an event, what does it involve?

If it is a quality or a condition,who or what possesses it and how is it demonstrated?

If it is an object, what does it do?

Note: living things are objects too.

Have I not tried philosophically/scientifically


LordReed should say something about this post.

you are right sir

The Most Heartless, Wicked and Dangerous People on Earth: THE TEST


WARNING THIS IS AN EXPOSE THAT MAY BE TOUCHING TO SOME PEOPLE, ONLY CONTINUE TO READ IF YOU CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH. This write up relates to the faith, beliefs and lifestyle of actual people you may know…
THIS WRITE UP DOES NOT ATTACK ANY PERSON, BUT IS TARGETED AT THE INSTITUTIONS THAT ENABLES PEOPLE TO DO EVIL IN THE GUISE OF BEING GOOD. THIS IS THE WORST FORM OF WICKEDNESS AND WE MUST TALK ABOUT IT
The Test
What makes a person good? To be good is to be a person that cares about the feelings and needs of others. To be good is to be compassionate. To be good is to make sacrifices even when you don’t have to. To be good is to be the voice of the voiceless, to fight for the oppressed, to speak against evil. Is there anything like a good slave merchant? Yes, if only you are talking about him being good at his work, but definitely not good as a human.
Yahweh got tired of the praises of the angels, he wanted more,; angels have no choice but to praise God, he wanted beings that would praise him by choice, that would recognize his awesomeness by choice, he want beings that would choose to be good or evil by choice,... What could he do?
Yes! An idea popped into Yahweh’s head, he was going to make beings after his own image, they would look like him and think like him – he was going to make man. He would create a test that these beings would never suspect; this test would enable him fish out the evil ones out of the fold. His strategy was simple;
He would pretend to be evil.
He would commit the most evil acts in human history
He would ask people to kill themselves, ask them to hate themselves, ask them to enslave themselves, ask them to feel like they are special (chosen) while others are infidels. He would be the most evil thing in existence.
He would give these beings the ability to think, they would be very intelligent, he would allow them to be able to judge matters and know the difference between good and evil.
At the end he see if these people with all the intelligence and heart for compassion he gave them, all the freedom, he would see if they pass the test and refuse to be wicked.
5000 years after
For 5,000 years, Yahweh killed, maimed, destroyed, raped, did the most unthinkable things but to his utter dismay, over 4 billion people still support, defend and even encourage all the evil he has done. He can’t believe it. He thought the 21st century with all the human rights movement would have made these people realize they have been supporting evil but no here they are,
They still defend the flooding where he killed innocent babies and animals by drowning them all.
They still support the genocides he asked Moses and Joshua to commit.
They still support the evil of him killing thousands of Israelites because King David made a mistake
They still think it made sense that he raped a virgin and impregnated her and even forced the fiancé to take care of the bastard.
They still think it makes sense that people will burn in a lake of fire for ever and ever and ever and ever even for offences as minor as stealing biscuit.
Some of them are killing and bombing their fellow humans because they want 72 virgins.
Some of them are stealing other people’s lands and claiming they are the chosen people of god. Bombing all those they stole land from because they have the support of their brethren in some powerful countries around the world.
These people have become a nuisance to the whole world, they fight against the right of others, they fight against the rights of gays, fight against the rights of Christians, Fight against the rights of Jews, Fights against the rights of Muslims.
They don’t want Muslims to have equal rights in America
They don’t want Christians to have equal rights in Saudi Arabia
They don’t want Arabs to have rights in the Palestine
They don’t want Jews to live free.
They fight themselves and yet claim to serve the same god.
They fight everybody else.
They pretend to love each other, they pretend to care, but they really hope hell is real so that everyone they don’t like would end up there and burn forever.

YAHWEH is terribly disappointed, he has done all he could to make this people choose to be good, he has done all the evil things he could imagine, yet always giving a clue to these humans he thought are intelligent so they could actually ask questions and reject the evil he has been doing but alas, no ! they continue to be evil and defend wickedness by all means possible.
He has no choice he would have to throw these Muslims, Christians and Jews into the lake of fire. That is where they belong, that is where they would be.

Dtruthspeaker:
If karleb steals your money (N1million) do you not collect his money (1million) with even even extra called compensation/Damages?

It is the "Just is" of money for money, taking for taking, death for death, billion for billion, an eye for an eye!

Solution! Karleb never steal else, The Judge and The Law will and must take it back from you,together with extra as compensation!

even i an atheist has forgiven so many people who scammed me. so funny this is coming from a so called christian. the thing is you are not only talking nonsense, you actually aint even a Christian and yet talking on behalf of Christians. i am suspecting you are actually an atheist and using your arguments to further damage Christianity, that is the only way your comments would make any sense.

Karleb:
You are not only ignorant but confused as well.

You think you know and that shows your level of ignorance, whereas you are the fellow who has been blabbing in my mention.


Next time before you quote a post you don't understand, read it twice and slowly and that includes this one to save yourself from embrassment, that is if you still have any iota of shame in you.

abeg ignore the old fool. he thinks calling you son makes him better than you

Dtruthspeaker:
As I said, you really did not know me. I have no tolerance for fools and I never hesitate to stamp and trample on any display of foolishness.

you mumu but you no see persin tell u. what a pity. so funny how a clown like you actually think you are something. lol

Image123:
Why would God want to strike you dead?

why would god want to burn people in hell forever?

Dtruthspeaker:
Naaah! I like His Plan and what He is Cooking for you all!!

That is certainly hotter and "better" than what I can ever ask or think.

So, no, I can wait!

funny thing is you go wait tire. imagine thinking an imaginary god can scare me.

Image123:
What is worth doing is worth doing well. If you insist on listening at all, why not go for those who'd likely give you what you don't have? i suggest you go for teachers, not motivators committed to helping men realize their God given dreams in life. Not saying they are false, but you're not likely to get much listening some set as men of "God". If you are sticking Nigerian, let's recommend 3, you pick one. It's a recommendation, doesn't mean i listen to them or agree to all they say. i'm like your pharmacist in this. So try out William Kumuyi, or Gbile Akanni, or the new "kid" on the block Joshua Selman.

and who told you i have not listened to the nonsense these men have to say?

shadeyinka:
To whose advantage?
The religion I subscribe to says "Love your neighbour as yourself"
Find me one law from what you preach other than "a disbelief in God" that is beneficial to the society!

and what do you have to say about the display of madness you and your partner are making here , just screaming "fool!" "fool!" like broken records?
it is to your advantage you quickly know your god was invented by men

Dtruthspeaker:
we already have people like you who are already "fully harm full and dangerous", therefore, we can not wait for God to Come andpermanently remove you all, FOREVER!

keep waiting for your fairytale God. why not ask him to strike me dead right now?

shadeyinka:
And he does the work with devotion...his objective that all will reject the Creator God as he has done

just warming up. this religion nonsense must end.

Dtruthspeaker:
True children of God would have told you that that those so called "men of God" you listened to are actually your brothers in Satan.

rev Areogun is my brother in satan? wow!

Dtruthspeaker:
Exactly as we were fore-warned, that they shall come!

i will reply you properly. let me settle down. love how vexed you are. you could not even make any sense. is this the best defense you have for your God? i will rubbish all the nonsense you typed up there. i dey come