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@PILGRIM
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what is your own criteria for knowing a satanist?

One who declares himself to be a worshipper of satan the devil. Of course, there are other definitions used by other people; but I don't equate atheists to be satanists.

So if  your own criteria for knowing a satanist is if he declares himself to be worshiper of satan.
then your own criteria for knowing a christian too will be any idiot that declares himself a worshiper of christ.
no, my dear. there is nothing in a name. and that is precisely what that encyclopaedia was talking about.
Jesus said by their fruit we will know them not by their name

i have read it and of course you agreed with me. anyway, i have answered you in my previous posts and if you can go back and read them very well, you agreed with point blank

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=177428.msg2871970#msg2871970 date=1222761886]I think you assume too much and often weave issues to drive your views. The point is made: Abraham did not seek your alternative solution of herbalist, and one would wonder how you connect him to your theory. Anyhow, enjoy your ideology and pursue your herbalist solution. Take care.[/quote]no my dear. you always quote me out of context. what you dont know is that wether you seek herbalist or not, once you derail from what God said, you have sinned. seeking herbalist is not different from sleeping with your slave. the bottom line is that you are looking for alternative solution. solomon sought strange gods when God was not forthcoming. so also was Saul and many other like that. the bottom like is this, they left God in search of alternative solution.

jennykadri:
this poster sef,

i wonder when God stopped answering prayers,especially if the prayer is prayed whole heartedly

so you think that the criteria God uses to answer prayer is how much or how hard you pray, no my dear. your prayer can't use God to work for you but God can use your prayer to work for you. prayer is meaningless if nobody is answering and it is not how hard you pray.
God said
i will have mercy on whom i will have mercy
also, it is not by might or by power but by my spirit says the lord

huxley:
Parochial partisanship have desensiticise many people from the horrors of the bible.  As a christian kid, I use to take the side of the Jews in all their reported trouble with the non-Jews, until the age of about 12/13 (when a more balance moral compass kicked in) when it dawn on me that barbarism is barbarism, pure and simple.

In fact, I tried this thought experiment with some nieces of mine some months ago.  Their parents are Christian evangelical pastors in a small congregation in the UK. I asked what their opinion was of all the murders orchestrated and committed by the Jews (in the old testament, Number 31, etc).  I was not surprise when they came out rooting for the Jews.  These are 13 and 14 years girls with little sense of moral justice.

In fact, a similar but more elaborate experiment was conducted amongst children in Israel recently, and the results were shocking.  I shall post the result when I can find the write-up.

huxley, you only talked about peharps less than 100 people.
if you also need a study where thousands of children are in support of the jewish actions, i will oblige you

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=177428.msg2871938#msg2871938 date=1222761160]Frank question: did Abraham consult a herbalist?[/quote]he didnt need to; he already knew the solution. sleep with the slave

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=272.msg2871936#msg2871936 date=1222761065]Hebrews 7:8 says 'but there He receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth'. [/quote]he said hebrews 7;18 not 7;8

LET US BEGIN TO ASK OURSELVES FRANK QUESTIONS
why is so easy to blame people when they seek for alternative solution to their problem after series of failed prayers with God and night vigil. When somebody keeps looking for a child for years and later consult herbalist, we will start blaming them. don't talk about Abraham because he also looked for alternative solution by impregnating a slave girl.
people can pass through a lot of financial difficulties for years but God will keep quiet. when you now seek for help somewhere else, God will not be happy. don't tell me Gods time is the best because people in  their millions are in the grave who waited for years for that Gods time that never came.
don't you think heaven help those who help themselves?
isn't  it time we start looking for solution somewhere else if the help is not forthcoming from the church?

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=167347.msg2871835#msg2871835 date=1222757703]Ye right! He wasn't lucky - the bloke worked rreeeeaal hard to be where he is today!![/quote]i beg to differ. OBAMA is indeed a lucky guy. an average American is a workaholic and obama has not proved that he is different. a first time senator whose greatest credential was a speech delivered in 2004. if you know any other achievement of obama please tell me.

@PILGRIMAGE
did you read the encyclopedic link you provided.
they said satanist are technically atheist.
so you even agree with me  with the so called other definitions.
alright baby, i love you for  hiding your agreement with my position behind a link.

Chrisbenogor:
of course they are

this is pure assumption.
things are not always the way they appear. let me tell you a story.
an elderly angel and a baby angel went to visit two different couples. when they got to the first family, they were not well treated. when they wanted to sleep at night they saw a big hole on the wall and the elderly angel closed it.
when they got to to the second family, they were well treated and the following morning, the man discovered that his only cow, the only property he had died. the baby angel was baffled and he challenged his superior. you blocked a hole in the house of a wicked man and killed the only cow of a good man. the elderly angel told him that you don't judge on the surface. he said he discovered that the hole was filled with hidden gold and because that man was wicked, he blocked it. so also, the angel of death wanted to kill the good man but he told the angel to kill his cow instead.
so what you see may not be all to the matter.

Chrisbenogor:
If I got angry with you now and went to your family home with a machete killing everybody there would you say they were innocent? just answer simple questions bro or are you beginning to see the gruesome nature of your God?

you yourself said it. you got angry with me and that means i did something wrong. have you seen police arrest a woman before simply because they cant find her husband. you may say its wrong but they do it despite all the cries about human right. if i owe you money now and i run away, i know you will go arrest my family. are they not innocent? but justice is rarely based on innocence and that's what makes it complex.
in Yoruba land a proverb says ORI YEYE NI MOGUN, TAI SE LO PO i.e several people have been beheaded at the shrine of the god of iron that are innocent.

@davidylan
You're conflating two issues, God dealt with the jews AS A NATION but deals with us AS INDIVIDUALS.

i am hearing that for the first time and that is heresy.
God should give each of us different bibles then.
the church is our own nation

@plus_Queen link
@plus-queen
On radio Israelite?
[b]I don't care about the actions of  the Israelites, the Amorites, the perizittes, the jebusites and the Hitittes
I care most about the very teachings of Christ.[/b]
the actions of isrealites you say? jesus did not fall from heaven. he came through the isrealites and he used previous scriptures to preach not a new one. if i ask you now, you will hypocritically tell me you believe in tithe but it not a teaching of jesus. if you dont care about the old testament, it is because you know nothing about the new testament.

A church can declare a fast amongst it's members but the day they go beyond the 4 walls of the church to give out a public announcement like so.
The Church of "what's happening now" has all it's members fasting 6 to 6 every week of the month [b]and the members of the church at every opportunity remind you that they are fasting, my brother,that is not Biblical if you believe the scriptures quoted earlier,they are not my words.

See the words of Jesus again.
17 But you, when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, 18 [b]so that you do not appear to men to be fasting, but to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly

You may argue with it but they are not my words[/b]
[/b]

my dear, how are you people reading your own bible.
what jesus is saying is simple enough. dont go out of your to let people know you are fasting so that they wont start sympathising with you. my friend, you can blow it on CNN but let people wonder wether you are really fasting by dressing well, not neccessarily moody.

@plus_Queen link
I don't know how this relates to the topic at hand.
Are we talking of a public display of fasting or not fasting?
you don't get it. they expected to know if the disciples were fasting and jesus did not see anything wrong in that .he only told them it wasnt  yet time


The scriptures reported that he fasted.That's how you and I know
That does not translate to an announcement for fasting.
We also know Elizabeth gave birth to John the Baptist even though Elkanah may not have actually announced when he "knew his wife"
catch my drift.
nope i don't catch it. you are offline. was it angels that smuggled the information into the scripture.
everybody knew elizabeth was pregnant so they will be foolish to claim ignorance when john was born.
it is an open secret that husband and wife sleeps together so fasting too should be an open secret

but you are not answering me too. are they really innocent?

Chrisbenogor:
Brother I am not talking about the second world war, what I am asking you today helpee as a full grown human being who is full of the spirit of the Lord most high,
Is it right to kill innocent women and children?

Simple question really,

what is your parameter for judging innocence?
how do you know those children are innocent afterall?
have you heard about kid soldiers in troubled spots of africa?
do you think that if those children are killed at the war front that presumed you are killing innocent children?

Chrisbenogor:
@helpee

I think you approach the bible predisposed that all the teachings in the bible are good, while it is true that there are good teachings in the bible still there are a lot of stories that should really make one cringe and shudder, children are murdered in cold blood, people are stoned to death for the most petty offences, lets be honest dude where is the goodness in that.
Its no wonder that our history books are full of witch hunts, inquisitions and genocides that have wiped out people all done in the name of God.

you seem to be describing the second world war.
what you are missing here is that the theme of the bible is not about jews or non jews, it is about God.
why were the jews succeeding with the killings despite the fact that they were a tiny nation.
you should also realise that the people that were living in bible times were human beings not angels so if WW2 could be that homicidal then it is not strange that it happened in the bible

[quote author=davidylan* link=topic=177268.msg2871032#msg2871032 date=1222728588]Did you know that the earth did not start from Gen 1 and that even the bible supports that?[/quote]i don't care where the earth started. it can even start in the book of Revelation but it didnt exist before God neither did Heaven nor hell. so as i said, God is not God because of heaven neither is devil devil because of hell

@chrisbenogor
Would I be wrong to say that? Did God not "deliver" their enemies unto them? The seven nations in Canaan? The first born sons in the land of Egypt( celebrated passover) ?
i guess you would have been more comfortable if God had delivered them into the hand of their enemies abi?

Please do not even start, you can go over to the homosexuality thread and read up. As for murderers, seems you do not read your bible well because it says even if they are murderers THOU SHALL NOT KILL. Why God fails to obey this commandment he gave to man is it not baffling eh?
THOU SHALL NOT KILL YOU SAY?
have you read the bible very well. kill what? animals, chicken, man, friends or enemies? if you know the answer, tell me. when God said thou shall not kill, did you bother to ask, kill what? so if IRAN should attack nigeria today, we will fold our arms and allow them to kill us because the bible said thou shall not kill.

[b]In summary before you start giving people labels like label company, If you believe in God and if you believe God is morally perfect and you believe the bible is God's inspired word but at the same time you believe the killing of innocent people( women and children) is morally wrong then you have some reconciling to do.

what you don't know is that God can't be moral because he is not a human being. He is only Just. that is why in justice, you can sentence somebody to death.
by the way, do you ever remind our judges that the bible says thou shall not kill? why do they sentence people to death

[quote author=davidylan* link=topic=177268.msg2871010#msg2871010 date=1222728064]If there is no heaven or threat of hell then why would God or the devil exist? Stupid chicken and egg scenario eh?[/quote]are you a novice to the bible?
otherwise you should know that the existence of God pre-dates heaven.
have you forgotten genesis chapter1 where God created both heaven and earth.
so God is not existing because of heaven neither is the devil existing because oh hell

@PILGRIM

I gave you a definition. If you ignored it because you want to force the title of satanist on everyone who does not fall
into your camp, I can bear with you.
the definition is that of a dragonist not a satanist. people worship different gods in the bible. even solomon worshipped strange gods and i don't think you will call him a satanist.

I pointed out that Bill Gates hasn't told you that he is a satanist, nor does he ascribe credit to the devil.
nobody comes out to say all glory be to devil. what you don't know is that what you don't say is as important as what you say. so if Bill Gate is not giving Glory to God, he even denies him, then he must be glorifying the devil.



The possessed man was not an atheist, nor did those demons cry out that they do not believe in God. As a matter of fact they referred to Christ as "Jesus, thou Son of God most high" (Luke 8:28). Does that sound like one claiming that there is no God?
don't quote me out of context. i am only saying that nobody is a vacuum. even in science, the space is not empty. so, if Bill Gate is expressly denying God then he must be occupied by the devil. don't even tell me the guy was just a genius to have founded microsoft. are you that naive? no, somebody is behind him and since we now know it is not God, who is it then? satan.

@PILGRIM

Did you not quote that demons believe also in God and they tremble? Are you beginning to contradict yourself all in one evening?
i can't possibly see any contradiction there.
have you ever seen a politician tell a lie before in order to confuse and convince you.
of course demons believe in God in the sense that they know he exist but they will deny him so that people will not believe.
WE ALL KNOW  THAT OBASANJO BELIEVED IN 3RD TERM BUT HE DENIED IT. that is no contradiction

Chrisbenogor:
@helpee

Do you no think it is satanic to let peopl kill 20 million people in your name?

i hope you are not trying to say that Israelite kill in the name of God?
let me ask you my question
Do you not think it is satanic to let 20 million homosexual and murderers live in Sodom and Gomorrah?

@PILGRIM
so the simple truth is that you don't even know who a satanist is hence you cant possibly know who a satanist is not?
in your previous post you said that because Bill Gate is not on the register of the church of satan, he is therefore not a
satanist.
the very essence of the devil is to deny the existence of God. it takes somebody that is well rooted in the devil to actually believe there is no God. when JESUS wanted to cast out those demons, they begged him to send them to the swine. Do you know why? devil is like HIV, it cant survive outside the body fluid. so also is man and everything God created. you cant just be on your own. so, if you seriously believe there is no God, it is because you seriously believe in an alternative satan.
my dear, atheist are satanist. pronto.

@PILGRIM
i want you to show me a single scripture where God called anybody satanist.
because some people called themselves the church of satan does not mean there is anything like that in the bible and it doesn't make them more satanic than atheist.
so tell me, who did God ever called a satanist?
what is your own criteria for knowing a satanist?

@PILGRIM
The whole issue you have been struggling with is to make people who do not believe in God to be called satanists. I'm not one of those "Christian" to do so - because the Word of God does not teach such a thing. If it did, I would post the verses for you. Now, if there is no such verses, why would I falsely call them satanists? Is that not lying against people?

You are still hammering on this.
ok lets talk.
WHO IS A SATANIST by definition?
and if you study the topic very well, you will realize i mentioned the devil who of course is the satan.
so, tell me, God did not call atheist satanist, can you tell me what he called them?
we have only two powers in this world, God and satan, light and darkness. so far, you have not told me any alternative to this two and yet you place atheist under neither of them.
can you show me anywhere in the bible where God say that smoking is a sin? does that mean smoking is Good
can you show me where the bible says that Jesus went to toilet, does that mean he didn't. so the crap you are giving me that God did not call atheist satanist or better still demonic will not work here

[quote author=plus_Queen link=topic=177348.msg2870686#msg2870686 date=1222721500]a public announcement in a radio,is not a fast biblically speaking[/quote]

So how did the Israelite announced among themselves that they should all fast when Esther told them to fast for three days. announcing it is not the issue. it is the motive behind the announcement.
have you forgotten that after Jonah preached in Nineveh, they declared a national fasting for forgiveness.
so, if Nigeria want to declare a fasting, our sins are more than nineveh self, how do you go about it? you go to CNN of course

[quote author=plus_Queen link=topic=177348.msg2870670#msg2870670 date=1222721279]matt 9

14 Then the disciples of John came to Him, saying, “Why do we and the Pharisees fast often,[a] but Your disciples do not fast?”
15 And Jesus said to them, “Can the friends of the bridegroom mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? But the days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast

It is not a ritualistic exercise either[/quote]note that Jesus did not ask the disciples of john how they got to know the pharisees were fasting.
even when Jesus disciples were not fasting, others knew they were not fasting.
so, people may know or they may not know, just do your thing.
have you ever thought about it? how did people know that Jesus fasted for forty days and night?
who was there with him?
either he told people or people knew somehow.

you are right but it is not wrong too if you tell people you are fasting.
what Jesus was saying pure and simple is that you don't have to be a hypocrite.
people may know and they may not know, just be faithful. simple.

Zino Ben:
Very very stupid topic. All this foolish name tags that make no sense, god, satan, heaven, hell, satanist, athiests etc. What a bunch of deluded fools!

I think your contribution is more foolish and senseless than the topic.
by the way, have you ever been told that the only time you appear to have some sense is when you keep shut?

@PILGRIM
i must confess that you displaying a new kind of Christianity.
a firebrand christian that will go and look for incompatible scriptures to defend atheist.
i dont want this to be boring otherwise i will start quoting scriptures for you too to prove my point.
alright. i agree with you. atheist are not satanist they must christian then.
no diversion here. let us agree that BILL GATES IS AN ATHEIST SO ALSO BUFFET.
the question is WHY IS IT THAT THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIANS?
WHY WONT GOD GIVE SUCH KNOWLEDGE AND WEALTH TO HIS PEOPLE RATHER THAN ALLOW UNBELIEVERS TO ENJOY EVERYTHING?

@PILGRIM
so what did jesus say about the church? he said if they are neither warm or cold. warm means they accept jesus and cold means they are satanist. neither warm or cold means they are atheist.
look, as a firebrand christian, i am surprised you refrain from calling atheist satanist. they are worse. Do you know the bible say that EVEN THE DEMONS KNOW ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF GOD AND TREMBLE.
If demons could fear God and Bill don't care, then i wonder who he is.
so if i may ask you, WHO WILL GO TO HELL?
i know you will say satan and his people
SO, WHERE WILL ATHEIST GO?
since they don't believe in God and they are not satanic, i guess they will be on the sideline abi?