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helpee:
I av 07/08 xterra with transmission problem. The mechanic claims it is the valve body and he has changed the valve body twice now and the problem is still the same. He says valve body is like that and that he has to kip changing it till he gets the right one but I am no longa comfortable. What do u think is wrong? Can it be the valve body? Is there no way to identify the exact valve? I am afraid cos I don't have moni for new transmission now. The transmission jerk before gear one and does not select reverse and the drive is not smooth but still moves

nissparts:
1st give me the code you have when you scan the car.
2nd, what color is your transmission fluid when you bring out the dipstick?

. I didn't collect the codes from the guy dat scanned it that time. The mechanic put one valve body today. It entered reverse and select gear one two three wtot selecting the last gear. The ibo guy that sells parts that it is now electrician that will correct it but my mechanic insist that it is because this valve is not good enuf. Shud I allow the rewire to luk at it or I shud insist on getting anoda valva body from the ibo guy?

frosbel:
^^^^


I am glad you got this off your chest, must have been a heavy load to carry

Phew !!

. I don't live my life suspecting that every MOG is after the money in my pocket. I give willingly when I want to give and wtot any sense of guilt. So why should I carry any burden simply because you make it ur business to criticise everybody and every doctrine. You people have turned this religious section into a sort of competition between xtians and muslims. Infact, I see most of the thread as inciting rather than encouraging. If you want to evangelise a muslim, it is not by calling mohammed a sexual pervert otherwise that will make an average muslim more stubborn.what is ur mission on nairaland? To win souls or to make them more stubborn? If after attending winners chapel I learnt some principles that makes me a success I don't owe u an explanation if I decide to use my entire salary as tithe. Regardless of what u think, Nigerians are not fools. If they are not seeing proofs in what these people are saying they won't pay their tithe and remember they are not forcing them to pay that tithe. If I am jobless for years and after attending a church I got solution to my problem and I decide to invest back in that same church I don't think I am fool. That you don't believe in what I am doing does not mean you should label me a fool by calling my pastor a fraud that is duping me. Anyway continue to enjoy yourself inciting muslims against mohd and inciting xtians against their pastors and let's how much you will be able to populate heaven, assuming that is your intention.

@frosbel. So funny you are asking this question but you are part of the problem. The way and manner you join others to insult every known pastor is shameful to say the least of a xtian. I am not here to defend any man of God but if a pastor like oyedepo who has ministries in ova 100nations of the world with millions of ur fellow xtians as members is being labelled a fraud by you and your fellow nairalanders then you don't have any respect for your fellow xtians that attend his church( and they are in thousands) and I don't think you deserve any respect too from non xtians. Don't tell me you are trying to expose their fraudulent activities cos you will appear more arrogant than expected. The same bible you are reading is the same bible that millions of their followers are reading too yet they still consider these people their pastors. Insulting such men of God is tantamount to insulting millions of their followers who are fellow xtian. Cos pastor adeboye bought a jet you said you were reconsidering your position on him wether or not he is a true man of God. How shallow your thinking can be and how arrogant for you to say such. Paul critisised peter at a time but never said peter was a fraud. That you are a pastor does not mean you are not going to do soomething wrong and that you did something wrong does not make you a fraud. When miriam and co criticised moses, they had genuine reasons to do so but God was angry with them anyway. If you were to be alive when jesus was in flesh, you will be the first person to label him a fraud cos you are looking for a perfect being in flesh which you can't find anyway. You talk about hypocrisy in a thread but I see u displaying such traits. Imagine yourself saying there is nothing like Spirit of Insanity! Why must you always criticise? What will you call the spirit that jesus sent away from that man into pigs in ur bible? I am anglican but I don't go out of my way to completely condemn what others have just to be heard. David had an opportunity to kill saul, and at that time he could have easily label saul a fraud or even murderer but spiritual things are deeper than that so he left him alone. You can criticise what a man of God does, writing them off as a MOG cos of what they do makes you no different from unbelievers. Is peter a fraud? But he denied jesus three times while jesus was still alive? Is david a fraud? But he was richer than oyedepo in his days and slept with anoda mans wife and God stii made the child of that union king in place of other more legitimate children. Are u yourself a fraudulent xtian? But I know you are not perfect, possibly a liar, a cheat, wife beater regardless of what you pretend to be on nairaland.

LEXYLOV:
Let the bishop goes to maiduguri and pronounce that there. Nigerians and their mindset. If USA have waited for people like John MacArthur and co men of God in America to Releases The Spirit Of Insanity On AL Qaeda and waited on that, can anywhere been calling USA today anymore !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh Pastor oyedepo want to help the clueless administration to fight Boko Haram with his releases of Spirit of Insanity on terrorists May God have mercy

shut ur silly mouth. Immediately after sept. 11 attack, pastors gathered around America to rain curses on Al queda and americans said AMEN. That doesn't mean Govt wont do what they are supposed to do.  The administration is clueless. Oyedepo is saying rubbish. Why is your life so frustrated that you don't know how to do any other thing than ctiticise people that are high up there where you or family members may never get to in life. Continue wasting your life away on a silly forum that is fast becoming anti-God and see how much your life will amount to

I av 07/08 xterra with transmission problem. The mechanic claims it is the valve body and he has changed the valve body twice now and the problem is still the same. He says valve body is like that and that he has to kip changing it till he gets the right one but I am no longa comfortable. What do u think is wrong? Can it be the valve body? Is there no way to identify the exact valve? I am afraid cos I don't have moni for new transmission now. The transmission jerk before gear one and does not select reverse and the drive is not smooth but still moves

bilaya:
You people should leave South East alone.We are not interested in the strike.Na by force to do strike? We can afford to pay the new pump price and not broke a.s.s like Bluetooth.

be deceiving yourself. The ibos were the most hit in the immediate aftermath of the increase. They were all stranded in their respective villages after the holiday. One of them told me he had to sell his laptop for 4K just to add up his tranport fare down to lagos.

I am sick of this childish attitude of the igbos. Common wake up! Why can't u start the boko haram protest first and see wether others would not join? Why must we make the initiative for you. Why should I protest the so called killing of ibos in the north( as if only ibos are being killed) if the ibo man that lost his brother is busy trading at the sabo markert a few days later waiting for another bomb to detonate? The arab did not start their protest to pull down govt but to fight harsh economic conditions and this led to government giving way. So u mean after this subsidy issues the igbo man will now troop to the streets and then protest against the real national issue which is BOKO HARAM. Why can't u seize this opportunity now to make ur own demand?  Igbos are sold out for money and never because they love Nigeria. Igbo man in bauchi is not there cos of nigeria but simply for business. I remember when ghana slammed arbitrary tax on igbo traders. Is it only you! As a former executive of nigeria medical student association, I discovered the igbo were always the traitors against a common front. If you want to spoil a national unity, introduce an igbo man with plenty of money to play with, he will betray even his mother. If you like, protest, if you like don't protest. Na you sabi? What if this protest somehow brings down jonathan govt, igbo will now start their protest that they want to be president when they contributed nothing to the struggle. They will now remember the word marginalistion. Kids!

1) It will reduce traffic on the road and therefore encourage productivity. It has been estimated that traffic gulp billions both in its management and in human hours lost. 2) it will reduce obesity and other heart related diseases cos those that don't normally exercise will now learn how to trek. 3) Govt don't nid to ban okada again. They will ban themselves from low patronage. 4) it will reduce noise pollution and air pollution from generator sound and fumes respectively. 5) Nepa bill will be paid promptly. Half bread is better than none. 6) it will reduce the incidence of bombing from boko haram. They won't get fuel to power their okada and cars therefore cutting off bomb distribution chain. 7)it will effectively open up a new chain of business; sales and importation of bicycle therefore creating more jobs for jobless youths. Govt can now easily identify boko haram members, the next bombs that goes off will be blamed on activist and other fuel subsidy protesters since they want to sabotage GEJ govt. Rememba NADECO and its bombs.

EarsWide:
@helpee, you said
This is rather an infantile argument you are putting forward. So if I can not name a good pastor then all the bad pastors must be good. That is warped logic.

If every mechanic I have taken my car to has turned out to be useless and I have not found a good mechanic yet, does that make the bad mechanics good ?? Do you see the simplicity of your argument ?

In any case there must be thousands of good pastors out there who are not enriching themselves by twisting the bible.

it is evident now that you have a serious psychological challenge. When everybody you know is a fraud and you assume that there must be thousands out there that you don't know that are holy then something is wrong with you. Why are you so unlucky that you only happen to know the frauds while the good ones are nowhere near you. Either you are a fraud too, cos like mind attracts or you don't have the capabilty to differentiate between fraudulent and genuine people. Don't expect a perfect partner, be the perfect partner. I gave up on you when I discovered that you can't even vouch for your pastor as a man of God. Cannt u see you are psychologically insecured cos you believe everybody is after the yeye pound you made by sweeping the streets of london. Anyway if you consider your sufferring sweeping in winter you may want to attack every ashimolowo that made it in london but your hatred is your problem. You said because somebody is selling books he is fleecing people then that includes God cos most bibles are not sold for free. Your thinking gives you out as a frustrated fellow. I am not here to defend any man Of God but for you to say every man of God you know is a fraud while the ones you don't know will likely be genuine shows you are living in fool's paradise

gists:
Did GEJ discussed this with you or were you (or your source) evesdropping on the private telephone conversation? Except if you be winch how you take hear?

when two leaders are discussing in a private telephone conversation, they ask their advisers to switch off their earpiece and this is also done from the central switchboard but it is not always like that and I won't say more than that else head will roll. And no matter how private a conversation may be the president almost always discuss it with his closest aides for advice. The bottomline is this: this story is very very true and very soon it will become a common kowledge I pray so

maclatunji:
Chai! Tell that your reliable Aso Rock source to stop drinking shepe. A country is not divided on the basis of single bomb blast no matter how evil. Secondly, a Head of State does not tell another Head of State to oversea the division of his country via telephone. It is against all known common sensical conventions.

so you call the series of bomb blast by boko haram a single bomb blast. So u will wait till your whole family is wiped out too before you understand the enormity of the problem at hand. For your information even a single bomb blast can spark a series of events that lead to a revolution. A single guy protest sparked off revolution across the arab world in different countries.

Just mention a single pastor you know that is not fake and tell us ur criteria for choosing him and please don't mention an obscure fellow known only by you. Then and only then will I agree with you that these other pastors are fake

@poster. At first I felt it will rather make more sense to ignore you but come to think of it, you appear like a frustrated fellow. Why is every pastor a fraud? Don't you think something is wrong with you? You went to MFM website with the single aim of finding faults. Why can't you set up a church and run it exactly the way christ will run it so that we can use you as a yardstick for what a pastor should look like. I don't take perpetual critic like you seriously because deep down they are frustrated failures

Boyloaf:
u will touch no oil frm d NIGER DELTA region, wtf! Why shud we be d ones to bear d budden of nigeria's seperation? Once we call a truce, it will be all man for himself! My man, U r touchin no oil! Get dat into your thick skull! Go and find urs.

great nation don't depend on oil. They depend on human resources and niger delta is Zero in that aspect. If we leave u with ur oil u will only kill urself over the oil and won't achieve anything tangible with it. If by tommorrow we discover a car that can run fueless, has it ever occurred to you that you and your fellow militant will be stranded? Wake up. Oil will not make u a great nation.

Boyloaf:
which person oil una wan share for seven years? Y'all beta be jokin! My friend, Go and discover your oil or groundnut -oil jor.

the oil belongs to all of us for as long as we remain a federation. We are already sharing it anyway wether u like it or not. Isn't it better we share it for seven years so that everybody can stand on their own and then part ways amicably. There is no way u can tell an aboki to go and form a new country with nothing other than sharia and you expect to live in peace. It is give and take and I think it is the closest arragement to peaceful separation I have ever seen and I am not surprised it is coming from no other person than obama the great

moremi2008:
Where does Nigeria manufacture idiots like this? What kind of food or palm wine did he consume last night to have him spewing rubbish this morning? Haba! Some mothers do have them, indeed!

isn't it obvious your mother was a prostitute. What kind of a woman will open her legs for a mad man to deposit such a poisonous sperm into her already defective gene if not for a slut! And nigeria is so unlucky that the slowpoke created by ur parent's ill conceived relationship is parading itself as a nigerian. In a sane society, idiots like u will be wasting taxpayer's money in a psychiatric home

babsjnr:
How can obama made an ideal for gej on phone conversation how nigerian should split. Dis story is false

that's even courtesy my friend that he told him on phone rather than blow it on CNN. When ghaddafi suggested nigeria should be divided along religious lines did he consult anybody. America earlier predicted our break up anyway so there is nothing new about that. You tend to think this world leaders are not human. When obama and sakozy both said the isreali president is a liar the world thought it wasn't possible. There is nothing these leaders can't say once they think nobody is listening

babsjnr:
False story

ok. Wait until sahara reporters break the news, I guess it becomes true story then. pessimist

I got this from a very reliable source in the presidency. President Obama called GEJ yesterday to commiserate with him on the xmas day bomb blast. The shocking news is that he told Goodluck jonathan in a private telephone conversation that a divided but peaceful Nigeria is better than a Nigeria at WAR. He said because of oil interest it will be difficult to get united nations united behind a united nigeria once the war starts and should the war starts GEJ will be sacrificed. His advice is that GEJ shud as a matter of urgency constitute a national conference to work towards dividing Nigeria in2 4 or 5 nations that will peacefully live together in the next seven years. He said the moni accrued from oil shud be given equally annually to each potential nation in the nxt seven years to be used to develop themselves before the full take off of these nations. Nairalander, what is your opinion about obama's request

[/quote][quote author=helpee link=topic=829666.msg9814020#msg9814020 date=1324529597]stop this cheap blackmail and propaganda my friend. If you have ever lived in osogbo you will know that the most expensive secondary school there is the only catholic school. You pissed me off by talking about cheap education in america. Let me enlighten your poor mind that the most expensive tuition in any of these so called church schools in Nigeria is less than 3500dollars per session. Maybe you are yet to hear that your celebrated osogbo boast of a state university with tuition in excess of 3500 dollars. LASU recently increased fee astronomically and its in thousands of dollars. Cheap education is a blackmail. Quality education is what we want and it is expensive worldwide. U talk about catholic university of america where international students pay approximately 20K dollars for masters and its cheap. Even application packet is 55dollars(8800naira) yet its cheap. And even at that, what is the rank of catholic university in america. Why can't u mention an ivy league school meant for poor man like you without grant. Please mention a single american university that is as cheap of convenant university and tell us the actual school fees and you know fees vary with courses. I am tired of bad belle like you. They won't do yet they will sit in one corner criticising those that are doing.

. SORRY I MADE A MISTAKE. IT COST INDIGENOUS STUDENT MORE THAN TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS TO STUDY AT CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY OF AMERICA YET OUR DEAR OGAJIM claim its cheap. Check their website. Will somebody pls tell this ogajim of a guy to keep his lying mouth shut!

davidylan:
this is what the odious prosperity gospel has done to the christian, we now see wealth, fame and power as evidence of "God's hands". According to helpee, rich folks like Nicodemus would be heaven-bound and the poor fishermen like Peter would be going straight to hell.

Rather this is what a poverty stricken society has done to xtians. They now see poverty, shame, wretchedness as evidence of God's presence. According to Davidylan, Rich men like david and Abraham will go to hell while poor men like judas iscariot will go to heaven. Hypocrites

ogajim:
This helpee dude really don't get it do you

For starters, I don't live in the westcoast and so can't tell you much about schools in Oregon neither do I live near Tulsa OK enough to talk about Oral Roberts university. I can tell you as someone who lives on the eastcoast that Catholic University of America is open to all and affordable, even a kid from SE can attend CUA even without grants.
A man of God is not for me to say who is or who is not but Jesus Christ did tell us that "by their fruits ye shall know them". I used to follow Oral Roberts those days when he would come to Nigeria with Idahosa wearing Nigerian clothes and holding crusades only to get here and find that he didn't even allow the few black people in his university to mix with the whites, what an irony I thought?
I don't know how the Anglican and Catholic schools were in your neck of the woods but I know I had great experiences with Anglican and Catholic education which was affordable even for my poor parents. Did I mention we didn't even attend any of the Churches before going to their schools? I wonder how many Oyedepo's and Adeboye's Church members can afford their schools. It's a BUSINESS isn't it?

stop this cheap blackmail and propaganda my friend. If you have ever lived in osogbo you will know that the most expensive secondary school there is the only catholic school. You pissed me off by talking about cheap education in america. Let me enlighten your poor mind that the most expensive tuition in any of these so called church schools in Nigeria is less than 3500dollars per session. Maybe you are yet to hear that your celebrated osogbo boast of a state university with tuition in excess of 3500 dollars. LASU recently increased fee astronomically and its in thousands of dollars. Cheap education is a blackmail. Quality education is what we want and it is expensive worldwide. U talk about catholic university of america where international students pay approximately 20K dollars for masters and its cheap. Even application packet is 55dollars(8800naira) yet its cheap. And even at that, what is the rank of catholic university in america. Why can't u mention an ivy league school meant for poor man like you without grant. Please mention a single american university that is as cheap of convenant university and tell us the actual school fees and you know fees vary with courses. I am tired of bad belle like you. They won't do yet they will sit in one corner criticising those that are doing.

ogajim:
LOL@ dare2think, what do you expect from a PR guy with a pidgin spellcheck?

@Helpee. who is "Benny Copeland"

You're mixing your two star powers of the prosperity movement up? and I just love the way you threw TDJ in there for good measure, I am sorry to burst your bubble dude because I don't consider any of those guys real Pastors which would lead to why I don't consider your main man one either, see a pattern here

I don't sit in the pew on Sundays to listen to Obama preach, we elected him POTUS which is not a religious position last time I checked. If he can't fix the economy, the country will elect another person come November so leave his policies out of this equation because they don't affect you one bit, if Nigeria don't like their policies, GEJ can stop taking their money and actually govern for once.

I don't know what Baba Kongi has to do with this but I can attest to his Litery prowess having used some of his books in my time, Havard is a private school that's not operated by a Church and so can charge what they want and those who can afford it can still go there.

Anywhere you go in Nigeria, you will see what the Catholics or Anglicans have done for communities, go to Oshogbo and you will see some work by the Baptists, your new generation 10% collecting bunch have recorded zero value added. If you think operating a university where only the children of the RICH can go is a Christian value in your book, we can see where your head is then.

ok let me inform you I have never sat under oyedepo's ministration except on TV. I am born an anglican with anglican priest in my family. So I am doing PR thank God. And if you have problem with my english then good for you cos I got first class from an american university. That's for another day. Back to the show. Of course I don't care who you consider a man of God that is your problem but u started it by making americans look like saints. I can as well say you are a man of satan too and I will still be entitled to my opinion. In order words, you are not qualified anyway to label anybody a man of God or man Of satan. Hypocrites like you won't allow us to move forward in nigeria. You are talking about half baked education that the white men brought with them as catholic and anglican schools. Why can't u send your child back to nigeria to attend my village anglican school as a testimony to missionary schools. Harvard is private ok. Show me one single school in america started by churches that is running for free. Have you heard about oral robert university? Have u heard about even bible schools like multnomah in portland? Why are they not free my dude? You think obama is dumb? He talks about gay marriage to score political point so there is religion in politics.  You talk about osogbo? I can't point to any development in osogbo that can rival convenant university? I lived in osogbo for 3yrs and they have nothing, I mean nothing. Acknowlegde good things when you see one. This guy has impacted more lives than your whole generation from oduduwa and I mean it

dare2think:
Helpee,

Dude,

megalomania; is a psycho-pathological condition characterized by delusional fantasies of power, relevance, or omnipotence. 'Megalomania is characterized by an inflated sense of self-esteem and overestimation by persons of their powers and beliefs'.

Not

megalodrama;

Melodrama.

thanks for the correction. Noted!

ogajim:
@Helpee

Dude I think you're getting your issues mixed up here, I have not come across any thread on NL that labeled Oyedepo a fraud because he slapped the "innocent youg woman" as you put it, When I look at both videos, I see megalomania at it's peak and don't see a follower of Jesus. "Do you know who you're talking to?", "she went to their meeting and they told her that slap can kill you",

He was labeled a fraud because of his prosperity teachings, the cost of his private schools, the jets, etc. Except you forgot where Jesus warned the rich man on how to make it to Heaven, you can continue in your delusion and pursue wealth with all you've got and whoever you can follow to get there, to each his own.

I don't think you've been to America or lived here long enough to know what goes, people do discipline their children, it is over doing it that get folks in trouble with the law. America is a traditional country and not all Pastors are in agreement with gay unions or the act, majority preach against the act without hating the people involved, get your facts straight PR dude!

thanks for displaying your ignorance of the country you claim to live in. Oyedepo is a fraud cos of prosperity teachings, jets and the cost of his school. Can you hear yourself out? What's fraudulent in all these things. America parades the most expensive schools in the world. It costs roughly 10million naira per session at harvard business school. They must be fraudsters according to your logic. Benny copeland must be a thief for his prosperity teachings and jet. You talk about megalodrama. My friend it came from america. If u ever see TD jakes preach you may think he got his training from hollywood. America is indeed traditional but even their president talked about making protection of homosexuals foreign policy. That some pastors are against it doesn't mean most are not in support. Afterall wole soyinka is in support of gay marriage does that mean we support it too in our society. If you want your visa revoked, carry kobokobo go flog your pikin and see wether you won't land home fast

Zikkyy:
I hope you are not a lawyer. cos if you are, your client will be getting maximum sentence Your defense would go like this:

"so? if my client thief nko, what's your business? what about OBJ? even Gov Uduaghan? are they not thieves? how come they are not in jail? abeg leave my client alone jare"

The fact that others commit crimes of similar nature is no justification.

I think it's perfectly normal. It's based on expectations and status of the person involved. You can imagine the media response if Oyedepo was caught picking pockets at obalende bus-stop. That's not to say there are no touts picking pockets on a daily basis.

if the media response is based on expectation which means you agree it is out of proportion then you don't expect a similar treatment under the law. So stop complaining that some people are behaving as if they are above the law cos it is you that is giving them preferential treatment. And imagine a senator, I mean a senator of the federal republic of Nigeria being accussed of masterminding the killings of hundrends of people via boko haram, it baffles me that up till now nobody is gathering signatures to recall him to his constituencies. Infact no similar outrage was melted out to him by hypocrites on this forum. He has even gotten bail. So if touts are daily killing at ojuelegba let us agree it may not generate enough media hype. What about a senator? Why are you people not engaging this guy in a media war? By now he wud have resigned but after killing people, he is still our senator. Expectation my foot!

Zikkyy:
I hope you are not a lawyer. cos if you are, your client will be getting maximum sentence Your defense would go like this:

"so? if my client thief nko, what's your business? what about OBJ? even Gov Uduaghan? are they not thieves? how come they are not in jail? abeg leave my client alone jare"

The fact that others commit crimes of similar nature is no justification.

I think it's perfectly normal. It's based on expectations and status of the person involved. You can imagine the media response if Oyedepo was caught picking pockets at obalende bus-stop. That's not to say there are no touts picking pockets on a daily basis.

you are beginning to get the logic without knowing. If you slap your your own child in america, you may be sued for child abuse but in nigeria we discipline our children daily. That doesn't mean the americans are right it is their value and that doesn't make us wrong. Pastors in america are not slapping their members but they are joining homosexuals in matrimony. Is that the value we want to follow. If you study my write up very well I am not saying oyedepo is right but labelling him a fraud, a thief a fake prophet for a single act of slapping is outrageous to say the least. If you read most of the response it is borne out of pent up anger not because he slapped somebody.

Zikkyy:
Being successful does not confer the right to physically abuse the weak or those much lower on the social ladder. Its sad to see people defending a crime just because the person involved is a 'pastor'.

rather it is sad to see people exaggerate a so called crime they all commit daily simply because a pastor is involved. How many times have we seen teachers slap their students, why are they not in jail? How many times have you watched your wife beat your housemaid for a simple offence just because she is down the social ladder? My friend both oyedepo and your wife must be criminals then

paris10:
This is the most dumbest defense of criminals I've ever seen. The fact that Abiola was rich doesn't make his money legit. The fact that these "Pastors" are rich doesn't make them less of a criminal.

In today's society, if you commit an obvious crime, you're a criminal. But if you do something unethical, you go scot free. Street crimes like burglary, murder etc quickly gets the attention of the police and the masses, but corporate crime and Institutional crime like that of the Churches are often overlooked. Why? People  are not just bothered.

Who is the real criminal today? Those that have authority over us, or those who are deprived of their rights? You decide! You call Boko haram's criminal but fail to capture the real criminals. What is IBB doing out there? Why is Dangote the sole distributor of so many of our daily products? Obasanjo is still roaming the street. Bush is still alive and Saddam Hussein is dead.

Obama is the still President of the States while Gaddafi is gone.

The richest Pastors of today are the conmen of yesterday. Ask yourself this question; Were the Pastors of the 1980's ignorant or spiritually blind to prosperity?
No, they not, they were the real MOG's who understands that they were there to lay their lives down for their people (Just like Jesus).

Today's Pastors are like "F.*.*K Jesus, we can't do what those guys have done. We need to make money bro"

Having thousands of followers does not authenticate the originality of a Church. Are you a good talker? Can you motivate people? Are you very crafty and cunny? Then you're the man to lead this new generation Churches. Money for the belly, belly for the money, God will destroy all these false pastors.

now I know you have a pathologic hatred for something good and this is beclouding your sense of judgement. By the way what crime did oyedepo commit by being rich? You will say he brainwashed his followers to willingly donate to his church but how is that suppossed to be a crime? What crime did dangote commit by being a distributor of most our staples. Then bill gate must be a criminal for cornering most of our computers. Abiola is rich but how many followers did he have? Your worth is not in ur material possession but the number of people that believed in you. By the way oyedepo has millions of such people in over 70 countries and you call all of them fools if you say their leader is defrauding them. Oyedepo slapped somebody and its a crime so he shoud go to jail. What about those slaps you gave to your wife, younger ones and even innocent people on the street that mistakenly hit your vehicle from behind. My friend, oyedepo may not be a man of God and it is not in your position to know but he is clearly not a criminal.

debrief08:
These are 2 seperate issues. Those men fought among themselves, they took thier case to court and d court ruled in favor of Dino and co. Those were adults fighting who could retilate and take actions to defend themselves, this was an illiterate girl who was slapped, this wasnt a case of 2 fighting. This is abuse

. Of course no two issues are completely related but they are similar. Dino and co did not go to court cos they were beaten but cos they were expelled by the house. So because the girl is an illiterate means she is denfenceles? Ask all those street urchins whether they went to school yet you can't cheat them. An illiterate was slapped so it was an abuse once the person is educated then it is no longer abuse

debrief08:
Beat themselves, fight among each other they can defend themselves, this wasnt a fight, a small defenceless girl was slapped, it wasnt a fair fight.

ok now I understand. People that are are suppossed to epitomise our democracy, that we pay with our tax moni to represent us disgraced us in front of the world, got their cloths torn( by the way we paid for that cloth with tax payers moni in form of wardrobe allowance) a woman senator was even among those that were beaten yet because it was a fair fight then they don't deserve to be recalled or even jailed. You said oyedepo preys on people cos they are poor. Why are they poor? Cos people that should fight our course are busy fighting themselves. Who is to blame? Oyedepo or the senator?