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LordReed:
Great then supply some of this evidence. Let's start with evidence that Jesus is currently alive.

Okay then let me ask you. What would you consider as sufficient evidence for Jesus being alive? Something tells me that you won't accept the available evidence even if I were to present it to you.

Kenneth4u205:
Nice explanation.the problem is that we don't know when he's imprisonment will start or when he will be released.maybe he's already in prison according to revelation 20:1. You know the book of revelation doesn't differentiate between the past , present and future. Tell me ,what physical event will happen on earth to make people know that satan has started his 1000 years imprisonment ?. Personally for me ,I believe he's already in prison now because I'm into deliverance ministry which involves confronting demons most times . And they all confess that their master satan is currently chained in hell but can still Operate here on earth . Also there are many Holy men of God that have had revelation of heaven and hell . They all saw satan in hell . Have you taken time to read this Christian book ( baptised by blazing fire)

Its about 12 children in Korea that fasted for 30 days until their spiritual eyes opened. Jesus personally took them to hell .

Personally for me ,I don't bother if satan is in hell ,on earth or in my bedroom. Because where he is doesn't affect my salvation

Lol... you shouldn't look to demons for revelation they are liars all of them and you shouldn't be trusting every testimony you hear from people especially if it doesn't agree with God's Word.

Kobojunkie:
Basically, what you are declaring here is that Jesus Christ lied when He said there will be only one judgement and it is after His return that the dead will be raised, judged and gathered into Heaven?

Every story Jesus Christ told us of the Kingdom of God , a lie, just because you deem it so?

If the judgement happens only when Jesus returns to Earth then what do you have to say about this scripture below:

Heb 9:27 - And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment

This scripture clearly says that once a person dies they are judged.

Also, this other scripture:

1Co 5:3 - For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed.
2Co 5:6 - So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.
2Co 5:7- For we walk by faith, not by sight.
2Co 5:8 - We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

Phl 1:23 - For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better.

The above scriptures clearly state that when a believer is absent or departs from the body (dead) (which is when their spirit leaves their body), they go to be with Jesus.

And where is Jesus? Well, the following scripture tells us where He is:

Mar 16:19 - So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.

So, putting all the above scriptures together, it is clear that Heaven is a place which is where Jesus is and when a believer dies they are judged and gain entrance into Heaven and when a non-believer dies they end up in hell.

What do you have to say about all this? I have many more scriptures concerning this subject matter to further buttress my point if you want.

elated177:
What is the difference?

You obviously don't understand what I wrote so I'll repeat the same thing that I've been saying since... MY POINT OF CALLING HIM AN ATHEIST OF SOME SORT WAS TO MERELY POINT OUT THE FACT THAT HE DEMANDED THE SAME THING THAT ALL ATHEISTS DO WHICH IS EVIDENCE.

Please don't bother quoting me again if you still don't understand.

sonmvayina:
Who else said or wrote something about it ?

Its only the Bible that I know of.

FatherOfJesus:
My girlfriend is a religious person, she knows that I am an atheist, she respects that and I respect her beliefs. The problem will start when you try to convert me and you try to start taking some key decisions from your beliefs.
Some people have beliefs but they are not really keen on it, that's my girlfriend and I love her so much that I am proposing to her.

I cannot date a very religious lady, when I figure that a lady is too religious, I play religious, fvck her because I know most of them are hypocrites just probably like you and then let her go.

Your wife is a hypocrite. No true Bible believing Christian will marry an atheist.

Lol.... MaxInDHouse, Janosky and Cornelboy won't like this

mariovito:
Yes please, it is.

Look all I know is that I have experienced the spiritual.

I have had encounters with evil spirits and I have seen the Power of the Holy Spirit demonstrated when I prayed for a girl the was having issues with her period who hadn't seen her period in a while and as I prayed for her right there and then she started having menstrual cramps and by the time she got to her hostel she had her period.

I have been healed once from a mental illness called maladaptive daydreaming by taking the communion.

We can argue doctrine or religion all day, but you can't argue experience and experience is what I have and it is the reason I will never become an atheist.

I have experienced the spiritual and will continue to experience the spiritual till I leave this world.

Kenneth4u205:
Yet Jesus said to the arm robber by his side on the cross " today you will be with me in paradise".you think Jesus will say that to him if the gate of heaven is closed to everyone?. You don't understand how spiritual realm operate. But I can use earthly things to give you example. You can be in prison while awaiting your judgement. The supper corrupt cop Abba kari is currently in prison while waiting his judgement.satan is currently chained in hell while awaiting his judgement.ask God to open your spiritual eyes to see beyond the physical. Or ask those that have spiritual eyes and the will confirm what I just told you

It is true that they are angels chained in hell awaiting judgement. And concerning those angels the Bible says:

Jud 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day

But the devil is not among them, concerning the devil the Bible says:

1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour

So you see, the devil is currently roaming about the earth wreaking havoc in people's lives. But a time is coming when he will be thrown into hell, and concerning this the Bible says:

Rev 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
Rev 20:3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

After he has been bound he will be released for a little while and concerning this the Bible says:

Rev 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Grace to you!!

Kobojunkie:
That is a lie!

There is no one, not even Satan, in Hell. Jesus Christ made this known to you in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 when He made clear that Heaven and Hell will remain closed for admission until after He returns and judges the world.

What you just said is not in accordance with Scripture. There are people in hell and heaven right now. When a person dies they either go to heaven or hell depending on whether they are saved or not saved.

elated177:
But you did. You said he was some sort of atheist.

I said he was an atheist OF SOME SORT... and i cited his demand for evidence as my reason I didn't call him an atheist out rightly.

LordReed:
I don't mean casual discussions, in fact I had one with my in-law on Sunday after church cos he was laughing at me that I went to church. What I mean is people who come to discussions with an attitude, a real sucky attitude, mostly condesending with lots of holier than thou obnoxiousness and a lousiness to boot. Those are the type of people I can't stand.

What part of I was a Christian is eluding you? Why do you think my wife needs to preach Jesus at me when she knows I know the bible more than her?

Mr Reed. The man waiting for Jesus to speak to him before he believes in him. I truly hope you reconsider your beliefs. Hell is a terrible place to become a Christian because at that point it becomes pointless. May the Grace of Almighty God be with you.

mariovito:
So because the man was atheist when had purportedly had the experience automatically makes him true and correct? Sheesh.

You see where religious folks always miss me, I'm telling you that I'm not convinced by a book you brought, that the book was doctored, yet you're referring to same book as proof of your claim. Damn it!

Now, go back and read my last question that you bolded and answered, there's a salient word there ....freely.... Oyibo will never give you anything freely.

At what price did they give us those things you claimed they gave us?

Firstly, most of Eastern Nigeria which is the part I come from was already an acephalous democratic society, so oyibo didn't give us democracy.

You speak of them giving us the gospel, of what use was that to us if not for proper colonisation, enslavement and plundering of our resources.

If oyibo has anything good, my guy, they won't give it to you a black man freely, they'll keep it to themselves. Look at how they have been treating people of colour and blacks in their countries, do you think if these same people have the knowledge and access to a heaven, do you think they'll give it to you a Blackman?

You speak of them giving us education, an education that has not been able to really serve our purpose? An education that teaches you from a European perspective?


Lastly, I want you to conduct your own research into how the church and Christianity came about. For clues, I'll refer you to read about Emperor Constantine, the Council of Nicea. Do that and get back to me.

Incase you are not aware, religion, Christianity and Islam were both tools of world domination.

Lol.... the things i have experienced move me to believe in the spiritual

LordReed:
LMAO!

And what's so funny?

mariovito:
Shit didn't add up.

Read the Bible, read historical books, and truly saw religion for what it was; snake oil and brainwashing tool.

Plus I came to understand world politics and realised a European religion can not really serve my black ass.

So you believe religion is political?

LordReed:
And where is your own skepticism of your beliefs?

I have sufficient evidence to back my beliefs so no need for skepticism

sonmvayina:
What did they say about their experience?

John 20 records Jesus' appearance the 12 disciples and Paul makes a reference to this appearance in 1 Corinthians 15

KnownUnknown:
Because I read critically and can think critically.



No, I have never been devoted to ignorance. I was unfortunately brought up in the nonsense but I’m a little too incredulous to believe the fairy tale of the Hebrews is somehow different from every other culture’s tales. The god if the Hebrews isn’t more real to me than the god of the Greeks, or Igbos, or Hausas regardless if the tales are written in a book or passed on verbally.
I don’t need to read the Bible from cover to cover just like I don’t need to read the Koran from cover to cover. I know enough of what’s in both not to waste time reading the whole thing from cover to cover. Obeying the Bible is a recipe for disaster given all the nonsense it entails. Obeying the Bible is at the root of bigotry in Christian societies because there is always a passage where their god approves of whatever they are doing, good or bad.

The scriptures are allegorical and the gods are mythical.

Everything you just said here is false.

mariovito:
Are you kidding me or you're being for real?

A man wakes up and recounts his purported visit to hell and seeing Jesus. Other than his word of mouth, what other proof does he have to support his claims? As if we don't already have enough sisters and brothers here in Nigeria that have their own hell stories to tell.

Where in the galaxy is this hell located?

I want you to please consider the fact that this man is lying. He didn't go to no hell because hell doesn't exist in the biblical or Qur'anic sense.

Please I have a question for you and I want your honest answer.

With the little history and knowledge you have and from your observation of Europeans, do you think that if the Europeans have access to or discover a good thing, do you think they'll freely give it to Africans?

So you're saying the man is a liar? Remember, the man was an atheist when he had the experience. As for the evidence of his claims, there are enough scriptures in the Bible to back them up.

As for the second bolded they gave us the Gospel didn't they? Isn't it the missionaries that stopped the killing of twins? Isn't it the missionaries that built schools for us and gave us education? Isn't it the white man that gave us democracy? Which universities are leading education in Nigeria? Is it not schools established by religious folk?

Bro the white man is not your enemy.

mariovito:
For your information, I was once an SU member, was a bible study teacher. There's not much you can tell me about the Bible.

So why did you decide to become an atheist?

Dtruthspeaker:
We can all see that you attracted to these people and have fallen finally for "I hate Godism". And you are very doing well in their area of expertise, which is the art of lying to yourself.

You are like a man who is in the bed of a brothel telling the prostitute you pick up "please don't Bleep me" while you are being stroked.

Lol.. what in the world are you talking about? I'm not understanding

LordReed:
I don't like obnoxious people trying to shove their religion into my face, my wife is not one of those.

If I caught a deadly disease, went to the hospital and got well and came to tell you about it in a casual discussion in order to prevent you from catching the same disease that i had would you call me an obnoxious person trying to shove my testimony in your face? It is the same thing with witnessing.

By the way, you mean to tell me that your wife has never told you about Jesus? And what about the kids? How do you intend to raise them? As atheists or Christians?

elated177:
John 6: 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.

How on earth did you call Thomas an atheist?

i didn't say that he was an atheist... I said that he demanded the same thing that atheists today demand - EVIDENCE

KnownUnknown:
I know nothing but I have a cogent grasp of the “truth” and your faith has nothing to do with truth.

And how do you know? Have you been a devoted Christian before? Have you ever read the Bible from cover to cover? Have you obeyed what the Bible says?

sonmvayina:
Really...who are the 12 disciples...

Can you just tell me about 2 of them.

And what they said about it..

Their experience is recorded in scripture. Read John 20.

LordReed:
Why a red flag?

Lol... because you're an atheist na and I'm sure you don't like religious folks attempting to get you to convert to their religion which I'm guessing your wife has been doing for a while and thus your reason for attending church, no?

KnownUnknown:
Religion is built on two principles:
1. Deceiving the vulgar
2. Cultivating ignorance

The quote above is an example of number 2. The naked appeal to ignorance and denoting reason as foolishness is the signature of the duplicitous scoundrels who wrote the words, “God said”.
I don’t need to be a fool or hold nonsense as sacred because skepticism is the beginning of wisdom.

Bro I advice you to approach skepticism with skepticism and consider the fact that you may indeed be wrong and seek to know the truth for yourself.

mariovito:
Its insensitive of you to insinuate that the reason for suffering around the world is because the suffering people have not accepted your saviour.

What then do you have to say about countries and places that do not acknowledge your saviour and yet are thriving, places like China, Russia, Qatar UAE to mention a few.

The reason for the worlds suffering is sin, whose sin?
Are you aware that sin is subjective and not universal?

If I don't subscribe to your religion, I can't be termed a sinner if I do not follow your laws because I'm not privy to it, I'm not a party to it. Can I be said to be guilty of breaking the rules of a club that I'm not a member of?

Finally, you end your comment with the old trick in the book; threaten those who don't believe in your fables with fire of hell.
Be reasonable please, I do not believe in your Christ and bible and you think I believe and would be scared by your imaginary hell?

You still haven't said anything about the lack of proof for the existence of your yhwh.BIM

Please i implore you to watch these videos with an open mind. It contains one man's testimony of his experience visiting hell and seeing Jesus. I implore you to consider the fact that this man could be telling the truth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLimoqZUWgw&ab_channel=TheLifeAfterDeath100


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC0VOx4M5ZE&ab_channel=TheLifeAfterDeath100

mariovito:
Leave us alone.

Do you think an atheist hasn't thought all of this gibberish you put up there through?

I should spend one year to find out whether god is real or not, am I that jobless and useless?

He should step out of the shroud of secrecy and show himself.


Show me incontrovertible facts and proofs of your gods existence and I wont have to believe in his existing but agree and accept his existence.

Belief comes into play when there's lack of evidence, belief is a mere play on the emotions.

How does it make sense believing in an all powerful and knowing God when all those attributes do not actually exist and can't reside in one being?

finally, if truly the god depicted in the bible as yhwh or Jehovah truly exists, I can't be forced to follow him because the character has some of the greatest personality flaws ever. Egotistical, ill tempered, deceptive, wicked, evil, psychotic sadist, these are some of the attributes exhibited by the Christian god and I'd rather not associate with such a person.

If truly there's a god hidden somewhere and he has been very unconcerned about the plight of the downtrodden, the poor, humans in war torn areas, I have no business with him and he should be the one actually seeking my forgiveness.

God does know the plight of mankind and has answered it by addressing the root of said plight by sending a savior to die for our sins.

The reason for all the suffering being experienced in the world is sin and God has addressed this problem. Now it is left to the world to accept what Christ has accomplished on their behalf through faith.

I honestly hope you reconsider my advice. Hell is the worst place in the world to finally accept that God exists because at that point it is already too late.

LordReed:
I went for my wife's sake so no I am not considering giving up atheism, I haven't seen any reason to compel me to.

Wow, so your wife is a believer. That's interesting. But shouldn't that be a red flag for you?

Hello. It has been a while since I last posted. It is my sincere wish that you consider what I have to say.

I just want to use this post to admonish you atheists to consider the fact that your beliefs may be wrong.

If you aren't willing to be wrong you can never be right.

The Bible says, 'Stop deceiving yourselves. If you think you are wise by this world’s standards, you need to become a fool to be truly wise.'

You see, there is a reason that belief in the spiritual precedes atheism by thousands of years and there is a reason that there are more that believe in the spiritual than there are that don't believe.

Also, it is more logical to believe in an all-powerful, all-knowing being that reigns above all than it is to not believe. You see, in all things there is a hierarchy. This is true in schools, businesses and all sectors of human endeavors. Even in the animal kingdom there is a hierarchy. There are those at the top of the food chain and there are those that are at the bottom of the food chain.

This also is true concerning the world at large. Man reigns above all the creatures of the Earth and God reigns above man.

Think about it, really think. If the spiritual was not real then why haven't all forsaken it? If prayers are not answered then why do people still pray? Even really prominent philosophers like Socrates and Aristotle believed in the spiritual. Isaac Newton believed in the spiritual and was in fact fascinated with and infatuated by Bible prophecies and miracles (you can google it).

The spiritual is very real and more real than you may think. It is true that there are people among us that our eyes cannot see. It is true that these same people run the affairs of this word and control the governing powers of this world.

Arguing about the existence of God is not a logical argument. God has made His existence clear through nature. Everything about nature is just screaming GOD! GOD!! GOD!!!. I mean just observe how the earth rotates like it was commanded to do so. Just observe the beautiful design of the human body and nature at large.

A more logical argument would be about which religion holds the correct views about God.

I advice you all to be like Thomas. You see Thomas wasn't with the rest of the disciples the first time that Jesus appeared to the disciples.

Joh 20:24 Now Thomas, called the Twin, one of the twelve, was not with them when Jesus came.
Joh 20:25 The other disciples therefore said to him, "We have seen the Lord." So he said to them, "Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe."

You see, Thomas was an atheist of some sort. He demanded the same thing that today's atheists demand - EVIDENCE. But I am urging you to be like Thomas, not because of his demand for evidence but for the following reason:

Joh 20:26 And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, "Peace to you!"
Joh 20:27 Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing."
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

You see, Thomas demanded evidence, but he didn't just write off the testimony of the other disciples like most atheists do today, but instead he stayed with them in the hopes that he would see what they saw and because he was with them, he indeed saw the Lord.

So my plea to you atheists is this: Don't just write off the beliefs of we who believe in the spiritual, but instead seek to understand why we believe what we believe. I encourage you to sincerely seek God out. He is not very far and if you seek Him diligently and with your whole heart, you'll indeed find Him.

I implore you to be like Thomas. Spend time with believers, observe them, learn from them, read the Bible with an learners mind and not with a critical mind.

I am encouraging and challenging you to devote one whole year to finding out whether God is real or not. Fast, pray, study the Bible every day for one year. Ask God to reveal Himself to you and He will. Talk to God and He will talk back to you.

This is the most important decision you could ever make, because where you'll spend eternity depends on it. Most atheists who are in hell today are full of regret and that regret is contributing towards making their stay in hell even more painful, because they had a chance to choose and they chose wrongly.

Please don't just follow the crowd. Seek to know the truth for yourselves.

God Bless you!!!

Horus:
The truth is that those so-called wise and prudent theologians know absolutely nothing about the so-called resurrection
simply because it never happened. Easter, or the celebration of the resurrection, is merely a tradition, a tradition that you
have been taught from childhood, and coming into maturity you have accepted it because that is what you were taught.
That is what you read bout. That is what your parents made you observed every Easter Sunday. Thus, you continued to go
along with it and before you knew it, you had carelessly assumed what you now believe without question or proof.
Easter is the feast of feasts celebrated in honor of the risen Christ. You have even reached the point where you will
defend vigorously and emotionally your belief, a belief that can lead you straight to hell.It has become human nature
to flow with the stream, and to go along with the crowd, to believe and perform like those around you. And, even when
you stumble on the truth, you will not believe because like the majority of the people, you stubbornly refuse to believe what
you are unwilling to believe. There is an old saying that says: He who is convinced against his will is of the same opinion still

Juliet751:
Good one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qhQRMhUK1o&list=PL3gdeV4Rk9EfL-NyraEGXXwSjDNeMaRoX&index=12&t=17s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SbJ4p6WiZE&list=PL3gdeV4Rk9EfL-NyraEGXXwSjDNeMaRoX&index=13&t=19s